Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
On 11/10/2020 9:21 PM, Ray Davison wrote: Mr. Ed via support-seamonkey wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? A long time ago, when storage space was expensive, it might have been reasonable to compress backups. But now that storage space is cheap, why have a backup that you need to unpack to read or copy? For profiles and mail I use XCOPY new files - no, I do not run with profiles and mail in the same tree, so they are also backed up to their own trees. I clone entire partitions and HDDs to other HDDs so they are usable without any processing - yes, that includes boot partitions from multiple OSs. And none of this cares what version of anything is used. Ray - WOW! XCOPY.! Used it quite a it back in DOS days an early widows. I was using MozBackup away back. until it became unsupported. Was told that it still worked by an acquaintance and thought I would ask the group to see if anyone else was using it. Perhaps someone had updated it. Looks like the answer to both questions is "No";. Then I started using a batch file to back up my daily work - including my profiles of SM and others, For the last few years I've been using "Pure Sync", a free program as my back up software. It has many user programmable features . -- "This is America! You can't make a horse testify against himself!" -Mister Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Ray Davison wrote: Mr. Ed via support-seamonkey wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? A long time ago, when storage space was expensive, it might have been reasonable to compress backups. But now that storage space is cheap, why have a backup that you need to unpack to read or copy? For profiles and mail I use XCOPY new files - no, I do not run with profiles and mail in the same tree, so they are also backed up to their own trees. I clone entire partitions and HDDs to other HDDs so they are usable without any processing - yes, that includes boot partitions from multiple OSs. And none of this cares what version of anything is used. Ray If you always take complete backups and only want 1 copy (or maybe 2), that makes sense. If you start using incremental backups so you have multiple restore points, you will probably need to compress. This discussion is about Mozilla profiles in the broadest sense and I'm not sure why anyone would want to look at anything other than the most recent backup of a profile. -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Mr. Ed via support-seamonkey wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? A long time ago, when storage space was expensive, it might have been reasonable to compress backups. But now that storage space is cheap, why have a backup that you need to unpack to read or copy? For profiles and mail I use XCOPY new files - no, I do not run with profiles and mail in the same tree, so they are also backed up to their own trees. I clone entire partitions and HDDs to other HDDs so they are usable without any processing - yes, that includes boot partitions from multiple OSs. And none of this cares what version of anything is used. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
NFN Smith wrote on 04/11/20 03:26: Daniel wrote: If one were to use MozBackUp on my SeaMonkey 2.49.5 profile, prior to updating to SM 2.53.4, where would MozBackUp put the profiles back-up file?? If I remember correctly, that's something you can choose in the UI. If I'm making backups by simply copying the profiles folder, I've gotten in the habit of copying to my Downloads folder. On the other hand, since my backup tool supports it (and I don't do full-image backups), I make sure that my daily data backups include %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey, and as a result, I get backups every day. I had actually run MozBackUp, in my Win7 entity, before asking my question and I cannot recall seeing where it asked for a location, but I'll run it, carefully, again, and see what happens. ;-) That's my intention as well, but I'm pretty slack, so I figured if I backed up the profile and then, later, either installed SM 2.53.4 *OR* made a complete Harddisk clone/copy, it wouldn't matter too much! For what it's worth, a couple of years ago, I was having problems with Seamonkey crashes that were corrupting my POP inbox in the mail client, and it was nice to be able to go to my backups and recover just the inbox and index, as well as the POPSTATE.DAT file. Smith - Daniel Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134 Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Daniel wrote: If one were to use MozBackUp on my SeaMonkey 2.49.5 profile, prior to updating to SM 2.53.4, where would MozBackUp put the profiles back-up file?? If I remember correctly, that's something you can choose in the UI. If I'm making backups by simply copying the profiles folder, I've gotten in the habit of copying to my Downloads folder. On the other hand, since my backup tool supports it (and I don't do full-image backups), I make sure that my daily data backups include %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey, and as a result, I get backups every day. For what it's worth, a couple of years ago, I was having problems with Seamonkey crashes that were corrupting my POP inbox in the mail client, and it was nice to be able to go to my backups and recover just the inbox and index, as well as the POPSTATE.DAT file. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
NFN Smith wrote on 3/11/2020 3:08 AM: Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: I still use it on 2.53 and 2.54. I do not see why it would not work, all is does is take you profile and zip and compress is in to a single file. It does allow you to decide want you want to backup or restore. I guess you could just use a WinZip program although not as quick and easy. If that is all it does then you have to ask yourself the question: Why did the developer abandon it citing "too many Firefox releases"? Some may depend on how you try to use it. If you're doing complete backup and restore, you might be OK. All we know for sure about reasons for abandonment is what is listed on the developer's page. I can speculate that the issues being caused by Mozilla's Rapid Release scheduling is frequent changes to data files being used by individual components, and where it was becoming increasingly difficult to do a partial data restore from a backup, without risking loss of data. I believe that work on MozBackup stopped sometime around Firefox 50 (give or take a couple of versions), but before changes happened around Firefox 54 that ended up killing backward compatibility of profiles, and both Thunderbird and Seamonkey are now doing that, as well. (Recently, I've discovered that Thunderbird does allow a downgrade, where you can do a one-time launch from command with a command switch, -allow-downgrade or something similar.) As noted, if you're backing up a full profile, and all that is happening is that the data is being copied into a .ZIP, and a recovery is merely extracting from the .ZIP for the same version of Seamonkey, you still may be safe. But don't try to do a partial recovery, of something like just your saved passwords or your bookmarks. If you're just trying to get copies of your full profile, it's just as easy to copy %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location, or use a tool like 7-Zip or PeaZip to put it into a compressed archive. Smith If one were to use MozBackUp on my SeaMonkey 2.49.5 profile, prior to updating to SM 2.53.4, where would MozBackUp put the profiles back-up file?? -- Daniel Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134 Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
NFN Smith wrote: Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: I still use it on 2.53 and 2.54. I do not see why it would not work, all is does is take you profile and zip and compress is in to a single file. It does allow you to decide want you want to backup or restore. I guess you could just use a WinZip program although not as quick and easy. If that is all it does then you have to ask yourself the question: Why did the developer abandon it citing "too many Firefox releases"? Some may depend on how you try to use it. If you're doing complete backup and restore, you might be OK. All we know for sure about reasons for abandonment is what is listed on the developer's page. I can speculate that the issues being caused by Mozilla's Rapid Release scheduling is frequent changes to data files being used by individual components, and where it was becoming increasingly difficult to do a partial data restore from a backup, without risking loss of data. I believe that work on MozBackup stopped sometime around Firefox 50 (give or take a couple of versions), but before changes happened around Firefox 54 that ended up killing backward compatibility of profiles, and both Thunderbird and Seamonkey are now doing that, as well. (Recently, I've discovered that Thunderbird does allow a downgrade, where you can do a one-time launch from command with a command switch, -allow-downgrade or something similar.) As noted, if you're backing up a full profile, and all that is happening is that the data is being copied into a .ZIP, and a recovery is merely extracting from the .ZIP for the same version of Seamonkey, you still may be safe. But don't try to do a partial recovery, of something like just your saved passwords or your bookmarks. If you're just trying to get copies of your full profile, it's just as easy to copy %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location, or use a tool like 7-Zip or PeaZip to put it into a compressed archive. Smith Nicely said, I'm glad you took the time to say this! I have not been online in sometime I can not seem to find time. Seems like the older you get the less time you can find. Thank you again, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: I still use it on 2.53 and 2.54. I do not see why it would not work, all is does is take you profile and zip and compress is in to a single file. It does allow you to decide want you want to backup or restore. I guess you could just use a WinZip program although not as quick and easy. If that is all it does then you have to ask yourself the question: Why did the developer abandon it citing "too many Firefox releases"? Some may depend on how you try to use it. If you're doing complete backup and restore, you might be OK. All we know for sure about reasons for abandonment is what is listed on the developer's page. I can speculate that the issues being caused by Mozilla's Rapid Release scheduling is frequent changes to data files being used by individual components, and where it was becoming increasingly difficult to do a partial data restore from a backup, without risking loss of data. I believe that work on MozBackup stopped sometime around Firefox 50 (give or take a couple of versions), but before changes happened around Firefox 54 that ended up killing backward compatibility of profiles, and both Thunderbird and Seamonkey are now doing that, as well. (Recently, I've discovered that Thunderbird does allow a downgrade, where you can do a one-time launch from command with a command switch, -allow-downgrade or something similar.) As noted, if you're backing up a full profile, and all that is happening is that the data is being copied into a .ZIP, and a recovery is merely extracting from the .ZIP for the same version of Seamonkey, you still may be safe. But don't try to do a partial recovery, of something like just your saved passwords or your bookmarks. If you're just trying to get copies of your full profile, it's just as easy to copy %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location, or use a tool like 7-Zip or PeaZip to put it into a compressed archive. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Danny Kile wrote: Mr. Ed wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? I still use it on 2.53 and 2.54. I do not see why it would not work, all is does is take you profile and zip and compress is in to a single file. It does allow you to decide want you want to backup or restore. I guess you could just use a WinZip program although not as quick and easy. If that is all it does then you have to ask yourself the question: Why did the developer abandon it citing "too many Firefox releases"? -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Mr. Ed wrote: True, but it was working up to 2.48. I used it to copy when installing SM on a laptop. A friend asked because he wanted to do the same and I wasn't sure if it worked after that since I've been doing a backup doing the same as you suggested each night using a batch file to get all my daily work backed up. You may be OK if you're doing a backup of your entire profile, and where any recovery you do is for all the data. From the notes I've seen (and problems with keeping up with frequency of Mozilla changes), my suspicion is that problems are likely to be related to partial recoveries. Using MozBackup to copy a profile to a new machine may have minimal risk, if you're not asking it to do more than write/read to a .ZIP archive. In any case, the place you want to be careful about is overwriting existing files. To me, the risk of data loss may be greater than zero. I will note that there's a recent development of a Firefox backup tool https://www.sordum.org/12298/simple-firefox-backup-v1-2/ . I know that it exists, but haven't tried anything with it, and I don't know if you can use it with Seamonkey or not. However, the notes on that page are definitely worth reading, where they give adequate detail of their approach. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Mr. Ed wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? I still use it on 2.53 and 2.54. I do not see why it would not work, all is does is take you profile and zip and compress is in to a single file. It does allow you to decide want you want to backup or restore. I guess you could just use a WinZip program although not as quick and easy. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
On 10/10/2020 1:48 PM, NFN Smith wrote: Mr. Ed wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? If you're referring to http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ , that one has been abandoned since 2012. That's before Mozilla went to Rapid Release for Firefox, and it's my understanding that the developer stopped because even then, there were too many changes to Firefox to keep up with maintenance. I would not trust it for backups of Seamonkey 2.48 or 2.53. Ultimately, making backups is merely a matter of getting the contents of %APPDATA\Mozilla\Seamonkey copied to another location. Smith True, but it was working up to 2.48. I used it to copy when installing SM on a laptop. A friend asked because he wanted to do the same and I wasn't sure if it worked after that since I've been doing a backup doing the same as you suggested each night using a batch file to get all my daily work backed up. -- "This is America! You can't make a horse testify against himself!" -Mister Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Mr. Ed wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? If you're referring to http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ , that one has been abandoned since 2012. That's before Mozilla went to Rapid Release for Firefox, and it's my understanding that the developer stopped because even then, there were too many changes to Firefox to keep up with maintenance. I would not trust it for backups of Seamonkey 2.48 or 2.53. Ultimately, making backups is merely a matter of getting the contents of %APPDATA\Mozilla\Seamonkey copied to another location. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? -- "This is America! You can't make a horse testify against himself!" -Mister Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
