Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[WaltS48]

On 11/14/17 1:05 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 11/13/17 4:31 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

bo1953 wrote:

Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password manager 
loses PW's at most
upgrades of SM.

I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM or is 
it I need to look
for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?


I have what is included with SM, but I mostly use Saved Password Editor.

I never loose passwords, or anything else, during an upgrade.  But then I never 
do an upgrade.  I
copy the new version to a new tree, have it share all the previous data, and if 
at some point I
decide I like the new better, I delete the older.

Ray


I use Quick Passwords but it may not work anymore after the major changes that 
are coming to SM.
Does anyone know if Quick Passwords will continue to work in SM in the future.



What major changes?


I don't know. I thought SM was switching over to a new release and some add-ons 
would no longer work
or is that just for Firefox?



Just Firefox for now.

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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[Arnie Goetchius]

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 11/13/17 4:31 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> Ray Davison wrote:
>>> bo1953 wrote:
 Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password 
 manager loses PW's at most
 upgrades of SM.

 I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM 
 or is it I need to look
 for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?
>>>
>>> I have what is included with SM, but I mostly use Saved Password Editor.
>>>
>>> I never loose passwords, or anything else, during an upgrade.  But then I 
>>> never do an upgrade.  I
>>> copy the new version to a new tree, have it share all the previous data, 
>>> and if at some point I
>>> decide I like the new better, I delete the older.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>> I use Quick Passwords but it may not work anymore after the major changes 
>> that are coming to SM.
>> Does anyone know if Quick Passwords will continue to work in SM in the 
>> future.
>>
> 
> What major changes?
> 
I don't know. I thought SM was switching over to a new release and some add-ons 
would no longer work
or is that just for Firefox?
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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[Hawker]

David - are others having this issue as well?
Sounds like for the OP and myself (I am on Win7 not Win10) The built in 
password manager broke on the 2.49 update.
I can go to the password manager and they are all still there, but the 
auto complete is broken.


Does the OP also find the passwords are still in the manage stored 
passwords interface just not auto completing?


On 11/11/2017 12:38 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


I use the Password Manager that is inherent in SeaMonkey. Some of
the third-party applications store the user's passwords in the cloud,
which I feel is quite risky. Others, I am just not sure of their
integrity and security. Since I have to trust SeaMonkey to handle
logins with both security and integrity, I must then trust SeaMonkey
to store my passwords.


Doesn't really address the OP's question. He's concerned by several 
posts we've seen here about SM forgetting passwords after recent 
upgrades. I, too, would be greatly inconvenienced if SM forgot all those 
nuisance logins that I entrust to it.



As much as I trust SeaMonkey, I still use a lengthy pass-phrase (not
merely a password) as my master password. I also periodically
change the individual passwords for the Web sites of my financial
accounts and certain other critical Web sites.


As a policy, I don't save logins and passwords for financial 
institutions in SM or anywhere else my computer. However, in a separate 
file with a nonobvious name and location, I do save fragments or clues 
to those logins and passwords along with a slew of other unrelated data.


So for a simple example (this isn't a real case), for one of my banks I 
may save the fragment "Yankees," which reminds me to add the fragment 
"rule!!" when I enter it in the website. For another example (again, not 
a real case), I may save "hIOdnV7QT9A_aJvHnZ2dnUU7" (I grabbed this just 
now from your message id) and remember that the login is "hIOdnV7QT9A" 
(the first part) and the password is "_aJvHnZ2dnUU7" (the second part). 
Nothing in the file mentions the institutions or their websites, so it's 
not obvious to anyone else which parts of the mass of data go with what. 
And since what is there is incomplete (the rest being saved in wetware), 
cracking it won't help without the other part.


There are many ways of saving useful reminders (not complete logins or 
passwords) without assuming unreasonable risks.






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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[WaltS48]

On 11/13/17 4:31 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:

bo1953 wrote:

Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password manager 
loses PW's at most
upgrades of SM.

I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM or is 
it I need to look
for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?


I have what is included with SM, but I mostly use Saved Password Editor.

I never loose passwords, or anything else, during an upgrade.  But then I never 
do an upgrade.  I
copy the new version to a new tree, have it share all the previous data, and if 
at some point I
decide I like the new better, I delete the older.

Ray


I use Quick Passwords but it may not work anymore after the major changes that 
are coming to SM.
Does anyone know if Quick Passwords will continue to work in SM in the future.



What major changes?

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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[Arnie Goetchius]

Ray Davison wrote:
> bo1953 wrote:
>> Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password 
>> manager loses PW's at most
>> upgrades of SM.
>>
>> I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM or 
>> is it I need to look
>> for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?
> 
> I have what is included with SM, but I mostly use Saved Password Editor.
> 
> I never loose passwords, or anything else, during an upgrade.  But then I 
> never do an upgrade.  I
> copy the new version to a new tree, have it share all the previous data, and 
> if at some point I
> decide I like the new better, I delete the older.
> 
> Ray
> 
I use Quick Passwords but it may not work anymore after the major changes that 
are coming to SM.
Does anyone know if Quick Passwords will continue to work in SM in the future.
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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[Ray Davison]

bo1953 wrote:
Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password 
manager loses PW's at most upgrades of SM.


I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM 
or is it I need to look for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?


I have what is included with SM, but I mostly use Saved Password Editor.

I never loose passwords, or anything else, during an upgrade.  But then 
I never do an upgrade.  I copy the new version to a new tree, have it 
share all the previous data, and if at some point I decide I like the 
new better, I delete the older.


Ray

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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[David E. Ross]

On 11/11/2017 9:38 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> I use the Password Manager that is inherent in SeaMonkey. Some of
>> the third-party applications store the user's passwords in the cloud,
>> which I feel is quite risky. Others, I am just not sure of their
>> integrity and security. Since I have to trust SeaMonkey to handle
>> logins with both security and integrity, I must then trust SeaMonkey
>> to store my passwords.
> 
> Doesn't really address the OP's question. He's concerned by several 
> posts we've seen here about SM forgetting passwords after recent 
> upgrades. I, too, would be greatly inconvenienced if SM forgot all those 
> nuisance logins that I entrust to it.
> 
>> As much as I trust SeaMonkey, I still use a lengthy pass-phrase (not
>> merely a password) as my master password. I also periodically
>> change the individual passwords for the Web sites of my financial
>> accounts and certain other critical Web sites.
> 
> As a policy, I don't save logins and passwords for financial 
> institutions in SM or anywhere else my computer. However, in a separate 
> file with a nonobvious name and location, I do save fragments or clues 
> to those logins and passwords along with a slew of other unrelated data.
> 
> So for a simple example (this isn't a real case), for one of my banks I 
> may save the fragment "Yankees," which reminds me to add the fragment 
> "rule!!" when I enter it in the website. For another example (again, not 
> a real case), I may save "hIOdnV7QT9A_aJvHnZ2dnUU7" (I grabbed this just 
> now from your message id) and remember that the login is "hIOdnV7QT9A" 
> (the first part) and the password is "_aJvHnZ2dnUU7" (the second part). 
> Nothing in the file mentions the institutions or their websites, so it's 
> not obvious to anyone else which parts of the mass of data go with what. 
> And since what is there is incomplete (the rest being saved in wetware), 
> cracking it won't help without the other part.
> 
> There are many ways of saving useful reminders (not complete logins or 
> passwords) without assuming unreasonable risks.
> 

I have never seen SeaMonkey forget a saved password.  I have indeed seen
this problem with Thunderbird.  (I do not use SeaMonkey's mail-news
capability.)  However, I think the problem in Thunderbird was fixed
several versions ago.

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*  The Republicans in Congress propose to
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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


I use the Password Manager that is inherent in SeaMonkey. Some of
the third-party applications store the user's passwords in the cloud,
which I feel is quite risky. Others, I am just not sure of their
integrity and security. Since I have to trust SeaMonkey to handle
logins with both security and integrity, I must then trust SeaMonkey
to store my passwords.


Doesn't really address the OP's question. He's concerned by several 
posts we've seen here about SM forgetting passwords after recent 
upgrades. I, too, would be greatly inconvenienced if SM forgot all those 
nuisance logins that I entrust to it.



As much as I trust SeaMonkey, I still use a lengthy pass-phrase (not
merely a password) as my master password. I also periodically
change the individual passwords for the Web sites of my financial
accounts and certain other critical Web sites.


As a policy, I don't save logins and passwords for financial 
institutions in SM or anywhere else my computer. However, in a separate 
file with a nonobvious name and location, I do save fragments or clues 
to those logins and passwords along with a slew of other unrelated data.


So for a simple example (this isn't a real case), for one of my banks I 
may save the fragment "Yankees," which reminds me to add the fragment 
"rule!!" when I enter it in the website. For another example (again, not 
a real case), I may save "hIOdnV7QT9A_aJvHnZ2dnUU7" (I grabbed this just 
now from your message id) and remember that the login is "hIOdnV7QT9A" 
(the first part) and the password is "_aJvHnZ2dnUU7" (the second part). 
Nothing in the file mentions the institutions or their websites, so it's 
not obvious to anyone else which parts of the mass of data go with what. 
And since what is there is incomplete (the rest being saved in wetware), 
cracking it won't help without the other part.


There are many ways of saving useful reminders (not complete logins or 
passwords) without assuming unreasonable risks.


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Re: Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[David E. Ross]

On 11/11/2017 5:05 AM, bo1953 wrote:
> Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password 
> manager loses PW's at most upgrades of SM.
> 
> I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM 
> or is it I need to look for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?
> 
> TIA - bo1953
> 
> 

I use the Password Manager that is inherent in SeaMonkey.  Some of the
third-party applications store the user's passwords in the cloud, which
I feel is quite risky.  Others, I am just not sure of their integrity
and security.  Since I have to trust SeaMonkey to handle logins with
both security and integrity, I must then trust SeaMonkey to store my
passwords.

As much as I trust SeaMonkey, I still use a lengthy pass-phrase (not
merely a password) as my master password.  I also periodically change
the individual passwords for the Web sites of my financial accounts and
certain other critical Web sites.

-- 
David E. Ross


Am I the only one who noticed the following?
*  President Trump issued executive orders
   that increase health-care costs.
*  The Republicans in Congress propose to
   eliminate itemized deductions for
   health-care costs.
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Password Manager Quick Question - SM 2.49.1 W10 Pro

[bo1953]

Hello all, I have the above on my desktop and lt, the embedded password 
manager loses PW's at most upgrades of SM.


I wish to find out what others use for PWM's that are compatible with SM 
or is it I need to look for one which will work with W10 Pro instead?


TIA - bo1953


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