Re: Fonts question
On 18/06/14 03:44, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: informational web pages, designed to read like a book, should never be designed for a wide screen, they should look like a book page, and this sight does that perfectly., even if you insist on dragging the window to a movie format width, the content of the page stays centered. No web page should be designed with text lines more than about 60 characters wide; it's just hard to read (or to use a technical term, dysfunctional). If you must use all that real estate, use multiple columns or boxes so none is wider than about 60 characters. Did you ever notice how quickly you can read newspaper columns? That's because you can take in the whole line at a glance. As, Paul, if the page is wide, you can waste time finding which start of line, on left of page, is the continuation of the end of line on the right of page. (at least I can!!) -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 18/06/14 19:36, Daniel wrote: On 18/06/14 03:44, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: informational web pages, designed to read like a book, should never be designed for a wide screen, they should look like a book page, and this sight does that perfectly., even if you insist on dragging the window to a movie format width, the content of the page stays centered. No web page should be designed with text lines more than about 60 characters wide; it's just hard to read (or to use a technical term, dysfunctional). If you must use all that real estate, use multiple columns or boxes so none is wider than about 60 characters. Did you ever notice how quickly you can read newspaper columns? That's because you can take in the whole line at a glance. As, Paul, if the page is wide, you can waste time finding which start of line, on left of page, is the continuation of the end of line on the right of page. (at least I can!!) s/As/And Got to keep a check on myself -- that's twice with-in two days I've had to correct myself!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Desiree wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. yes. Do. For mail I want to read text the way I want it. But for a website, I figure if someone went to the trouble of choosing fonts, I might as well SEE them. If it's something terrible like light blue text on a medium blue background I turn-off the style sheet. Btw, Urban Dictionary page looks totally fine in every way here. GW X no minimum font size X allow documents to use other fonts X using Mac OS X Maybe it looks better on an Apple computer? I'm curious. Do you have a large wide screen monitor? Maybe I can't compare since yours would be Apple and mine is not. I have a newish (Jan 1 2014) 24 widescreen Dell Ultrasharp monitor. It is my first wide screen one. Urban Dictionary appears in the center of the screen in a way too large font. I use Zoom Page extension to zoom it down to 65% and then I have the font small, but readable, but the website is now extremely scrunched up very small in the center of the screen with lots of wasted real estate on both sides... informational web pages, designed to read like a book, should never be designed for a wide screen, they should look like a book page, and this sight does that perfectly., even if you insist on dragging the window to a movie format width, the content of the page stays centered. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Geoff Welsh wrote: informational web pages, designed to read like a book, should never be designed for a wide screen, they should look like a book page, and this sight does that perfectly., even if you insist on dragging the window to a movie format width, the content of the page stays centered. No web page should be designed with text lines more than about 60 characters wide; it's just hard to read (or to use a technical term, dysfunctional). If you must use all that real estate, use multiple columns or boxes so none is wider than about 60 characters. Did you ever notice how quickly you can read newspaper columns? That's because you can take in the whole line at a glance. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Geoff Welsh wrote: Desiree wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. yes. Do. For mail I want to read text the way I want it. But for a website, I figure if someone went to the trouble of choosing fonts, I might as well SEE them. If it's something terrible like light blue text on a medium blue background I turn-off the style sheet. Btw, Urban Dictionary page looks totally fine in every way here. GW X no minimum font size X allow documents to use other fonts X using Mac OS X Maybe it looks better on an Apple computer? I'm curious. Do you have a large wide screen monitor? Maybe I can't compare since yours would be Apple and mine is not. I have a newish (Jan 1 2014) 24 widescreen Dell Ultrasharp monitor. It is my first wide screen one. Urban Dictionary appears in the center of the screen in a way too large font. I use Zoom Page extension to zoom it down to 65% and then I have the font small, but readable, but the website is now extremely scrunched up very small in the center of the screen with lots of wasted real estate on both sides... informational web pages, designed to read like a book, should never be designed for a wide screen, they should look like a book page, and this sight does that perfectly., even if you insist on dragging the window to a movie format width, the content of the page stays centered. GW I remember that I just was back home from the States that I made a lecture for the Dutch Unix User Group about TeX and troff, Dik Winter, www.cwi.nl/~dik started a discussion with me why I found that TeX and Metafont were better for mathematical formula's and languages like Zapotec and Chinese than troff. I followed some lectures with Prof. Ralph Griswold PhD about the Snobol5 and the Icon programming languages... He send away half of his students if they had no payed for the lessons. I asked him: what about me, I don't pay anything, he said YOU STAY HERE, so I did. I can learn some lessons now from my son, David, he just visited 26 countries in 5 different continents, working at the offshore industry near Darwin... But he comes over to visit me now, all beit just for a few days, he is to busy with his aerodynamics study and psychology in Delft and Leiden.. sincerely, -- Vink home:http://ciudadpatricia.com User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? A: Because he was hungry. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 6/15/2014 4:29 PM, Ed Mullen wrote: Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. Because once you start using Verdana there is no going back. It's superior to all other fonts for readability. I've been using it exclusively for many years. Also, I had to install WindowBlinds on this Windows 8.0 Pro computer right after I got it since Microsoft refuses to let the user choose the Windows font. They created a new font for Windows 8 which is forced on everyone and it is hard to read. Plus, black font on Windows 8 is actually gray and very difficult to read and tiring to the eyes. I noticed that immediately when I got this computer. Later, I got a new 24 wide screen Dell Ultrasharp monitor. It sits next to my old Dell Ultrasharp LCD 19 5:4 ratio monitor that I have had over ten years and is connected to an XP Pro computer. I can open the same website on both computers and see black font on the XP computer and gray font on the Windows 8 computer. Both monitors are Dell ultrasharps and both have higher end nVidia cards. I also connected the older Dell monitor to the Windows 8 computer and saw gray instead of black font on it too. It was obvious this was yet another Windows 8 problem. I found several very long threads at Microsoft help forum where I learned this was partly deliberate on Microsoft's part because they killed cleartype on Windows 8 (it is still there but doesn't work). To not make this too long, I had to use WindowBlinds to let me choose Verdana as my Windows font and then I imported a separate copy of Verdana Bold font and I made it my Windows font and my font for all my browsers (except Opera 12.17 and I couldn't ask for Opera help as that version is not supported) and usually on Thunderbird. That gave me black font finally. Since Opera says it is using Verdana Bold but isn't, when I use Opera I am really struck by how extremely bad fonts are on Windows 8 for desktop users. Microsoft said they took away cleartype on Windows 8 because it won't work on tablets. Fine. But I have a powerful desktop so why remove cleartype from Desktop? I don't use Metro side at all. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 6/15/2014 6:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. yes. Do. For mail I want to read text the way I want it. But for a website, I figure if someone went to the trouble of choosing fonts, I might as well SEE them. If it's something terrible like light blue text on a medium blue background I turn-off the style sheet. Btw, Urban Dictionary page looks totally fine in every way here. GW X no minimum font size X allow documents to use other fonts X using Mac OS X Maybe it looks better on an Apple computer? I'm curious. Do you have a large wide screen monitor? Maybe I can't compare since yours would be Apple and mine is not. I have a newish (Jan 1 2014) 24 widescreen Dell Ultrasharp monitor. It is my first wide screen one. Urban Dictionary appears in the center of the screen in a way too large font. I use Zoom Page extension to zoom it down to 65% and then I have the font small, but readable, but the website is now extremely scrunched up very small in the center of the screen with lots of wasted real estate on both sides. Yep. I just went to that site on the XP Pro computer with the 19 LCD Dell Ultrasharp monitor at 5:4 ratio. It looks nice on a NON widescreen monitor and I did not have to reduce the font size on the page. It was just right with a default Verdana font size of 13 pt and minimum size font at 13 also. On the wide screen 24 monitor I have default font size of 11 pt and minimum font size at 11 pt. Urban Dictionary is designed for older non - wide screen monitors (at least if you are using Windows - but the problem is exacerbated by this being a Win 8 machine and it might be ok on Win 7 on a widescreen monitor). Something is wrong with my hosts file on the XP machine. I didn't realize that site has tweets on it! I have Twitter blocked in my hosts file and the block is working on the Win 8 computer but not on the XP computer! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Desiree wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. yes. Do. For mail I want to read text the way I want it. But for a website, I figure if someone went to the trouble of choosing fonts, I might as well SEE them. If it's something terrible like light blue text on a medium blue background I turn-off the style sheet. Btw, Urban Dictionary page looks totally fine in every way here. GW X no minimum font size X allow documents to use other fonts X using Mac OS X Maybe it looks better on an Apple computer? I'm curious. Do you have a large wide screen monitor? Maybe I can't compare since yours would be Apple and mine is not. I have a newish (Jan 1 2014) 24 widescreen Dell Ultrasharp monitor. It is my first wide screen one. Urban Dictionary appears in the center of the screen in a way too large font. I use Zoom Page extension to zoom it down to 65% and then I have the font small, but readable, but the website is now extremely scrunched up very small in the center of the screen with lots of wasted real estate on both sides. Yep. I just went to that site on the XP Pro computer with the 19 LCD Dell Ultrasharp monitor at 5:4 ratio. It looks nice on a NON widescreen monitor and I did not have to reduce the font size on the page. It was just right with a default Verdana font size of 13 pt and minimum size font at 13 also. On the wide screen 24 monitor I have default font size of 11 pt and minimum font size at 11 pt. Urban Dictionary is designed for older non - wide screen monitors (at least if you are using Windows - but the problem is exacerbated by this being a Win 8 machine and it might be ok on Win 7 on a widescreen monitor). Something is wrong with my hosts file on the XP machine. I didn't realize that site has tweets on it! I have Twitter blocked in my hosts file and the block is working on the Win 8 computer but not on the XP computer! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqoJG6GDdw -- Vink home:http://ciudadpatricia.com User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Q: Why did the astrophysicist order three hamburgers? A: Because he was hungry. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 6/15/2014 10:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. So, nothing can be done on the user's side to fix it, other than to select the site's font, correct? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 06/15/2014 09:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. Doing a little element inspecting using the developer tools in Firefox, it appears the buttons are supplied by PHP files which IIRC are delivered by the server, that you are no longer allowing to deliver by turning off that setting. My best theory. -- Sponsored by Thunderbird 24.6.0 or 31.0b1 Jazz Live International - June 20-22 2014 http://pittsburghjazzlive.com/ Go Bucs! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. So, crappy sites see me one time and never again. Is that Urban Dictionary site designed for cell phones only? When I reduce the gigantic font (using the extension Zoom Page) I get a very tiny web page in the center of my screen so I know the webmaster couldn't be bothered to develop for wide screen monitors, but this site one of the worst I have seenso it must be designed only for cell phones or the webmaster must have eye sight problems. Also, that site has 26 trackers on it! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Desiree wrote: I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. So, crappy sites see me one time and never again. Is that Urban Dictionary site designed for cell phones only? When I reduce the gigantic font (using the extension Zoom Page) I get a very tiny web page in the center of my screen so I know the webmaster couldn't be bothered to develop for wide screen monitors, but this site one of the worst I have seenso it must be designed only for cell phones or the webmaster must have eye sight problems. Also, that site has 26 trackers on it! Thanks for reminding me what a hilarious place that is! Favorite today is will advise -- corporate jargon for F**k Off. I dunno, I don't see any gigantic fonts, with or without Allow documents to use other fonts enabled. Have you tried CTRL-0? I do see a problem with the dates on the left: MA R 11 etc. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts question
Ed Mullen wrote: Desiree pounded out : On 6/15/2014 4:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 6/15/2014 6:33 AM, Tom S. wrote: On many websites, why is it whenever I turn off the font setting, Allow documents to use other fonts (or just Fonts in PrefBar), the buttons on the web page are replaced with little rectangular placeholders? For example, this site: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ It wasn't that way in times past. Thanks in advance. They are NOT buttons. They are made-up font characters (glyphs). For lazy Web developers, it is easier to create a glyph than a button. When you block downloaded fonts, you block such glyphs. I was wondering what those were myself...not at the site mentioned (which displays so horrible on a 24 wide screen monitor that I will never go there again --- are all young people having eyesight problems as the font is gigantic there)? I have recently been seeing those place holders at a number of sites and I see this on every browser. I NEVER allow websites to use their own fonts never have and never will. Why? Please detail why this is a bad thing to do. yes. Do. For mail I want to read text the way I want it. But for a website, I figure if someone went to the trouble of choosing fonts, I might as well SEE them. If it's something terrible like light blue text on a medium blue background I turn-off the style sheet. Btw, Urban Dictionary page looks totally fine in every way here. GW X no minimum font size X allow documents to use other fonts X using Mac OS X ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
