Re: OT KDE KATE was: [Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?]

2018-01-04 Thread NoOp
On 01/02/2018 10:36 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 10:39 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 01/02/2018 09:28 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 01/01/2018 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote:
 On 01/01/2018 05:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
>>>
>>> I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
>>>   1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
>>>  I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
>>>  Where is the help file located.
>>
>> F1 getst me to:
>> https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/applications/kate/index.html
> 
> I eventually found that.
> For those of us without unlimited data, I believe that it can be 
> downloaded as https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/kate/kate.pdf
> [I've downloaded but not yet read].
>>
>>>   2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
>>>  questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.
>>
>> See:
>> 
>> also on gmane.org (news.gmane.org):
>> gmane.comp.kde.devel.kate
> 
> Not really, gmane died about a year ago.
> 
> My news server does not list comp.kde.devel.kate .
> Where can I find it?
> Is it appropriate list for new users?
> Can someone verify my problem with the F1 key?
> If so, where to report?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>
>> You are most welcome.
>>
>> Followup-To set to mozilla.general as I think we're now OT.
>>
> 
> I can't disagree.
> However this reply has been posted to both
>  netscape.public.mozilla.general
>  and
>  mozilla.support.seamonkey
> to maintain continuity.
> 
> For those responding, please use appropriate group.
> 
> 
> 

My responses are on mozilla.general
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Re: OT KDE KATE was: [Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?]

2018-01-04 Thread nunojsilva
On 2018-01-03, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 01/02/2018 10:39 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 01/02/2018 09:28 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
[...]
>>>   2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
>>>  questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.
>>
>> See:
>> 
>> also on gmane.org (news.gmane.org):
>> gmane.comp.kde.devel.kate
>
> Not really, gmane died about a year ago.

Their web interface was down for some time but their newsgroup server
never stopped working.

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Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-03 Thread Daniel

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/03/2018 12:36 AM, Daniel wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:




I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
  1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
 I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
 Where is the help file located.
  2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
 questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.

Thank you.


If you want UseNet, you could try alt.os.linux if you want. Someone
there might be able to answer your kate questions.


I'm subscribed to debian-u...@lists.debian.org .
I was asking if there was a kate specific list or group.
Thank you.


Sorry, I don't know, Richard.

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SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

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Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-02 Thread Richard Owlett

On 01/03/2018 12:36 AM, Daniel wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:




I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
  1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
 I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
 Where is the help file located.
  2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
 questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.

Thank you.


If you want UseNet, you could try alt.os.linux if you want. Someone
there might be able to answer your kate questions.



I'm subscribed to debian-u...@lists.debian.org .
I was asking if there was a kate specific list or group.
Thank you.

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Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-02 Thread Daniel

Richard Owlett wrote:




I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
  1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
     I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
     Where is the help file located.
  2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
     questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.

Thank you.


If you want UseNet, you could try alt.os.linux if you want. Someone 
there might be able to answer your kate questions.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


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Re: OT KDE KATE was: [Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?]

2018-01-02 Thread Richard Owlett

On 01/02/2018 10:39 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/02/2018 09:28 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/01/2018 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/01/2018 05:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
<...>



Or python: https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html#module-json.tool

$ cat bookmarks-2017-12-31.json | python -m json.tool > pretty.json
$ gedit pretty.json

{
"charset": "UTF-8",
"dateAdded": 129167648400,
"guid": "E2VyXb4tHph4",
"iconuri":
"https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/seamonkey16.png;,
"id": 26,
"index": 3,
"lastModified": 125183051000,
"title": "The SeaMonkey\u00ae Project",
"type": "text/x-moz-place",
"typeCode": 1,
"uri": "http://www.seamonkey-project.org/;
},



Sorry, forgot to mention - you can use kate instead of gedit export
to html:



No need for the html.
The combination of
   $ jq . bookmarks-2017-12-31.json > tmppretty.json
   $ kate tmppretty.json
Then deleting excess spaces/tabs and newlines followed by saving to
bookmarks-2017-12-31.json solves all my problems. Or if
tmppretty.json is acceptable to SeaMonkey it will be simpler.

I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
  1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
 I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
 Where is the help file located.


F1 getst me to:
https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/applications/kate/index.html


I eventually found that.
For those of us without unlimited data, I believe that it can be 
downloaded as https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/kate/kate.pdf

[I've downloaded but not yet read].



  2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
 questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.


See:

also on gmane.org (news.gmane.org):
gmane.comp.kde.devel.kate


Not really, gmane died about a year ago.

My news server does not list comp.kde.devel.kate .
Where can I find it?
Is it appropriate list for new users?
Can someone verify my problem with the F1 key?
If so, where to report?








Thank you.



You are most welcome.

Followup-To set to mozilla.general as I think we're now OT.



I can't disagree.
However this reply has been posted to both
netscape.public.mozilla.general
and
mozilla.support.seamonkey
to maintain continuity.

For those responding, please use appropriate group.



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OT KDE KATE was: [Re: [EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?]

2018-01-02 Thread NoOp
On 01/02/2018 09:28 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/01/2018 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 01/01/2018 05:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> <...>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or python: https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html#module-json.tool
>>>
>>> $ cat bookmarks-2017-12-31.json | python -m json.tool > pretty.json
>>> $ gedit pretty.json
>>>
>>> {
>>> "charset": "UTF-8",
>>> "dateAdded": 129167648400,
>>> "guid": "E2VyXb4tHph4",
>>> "iconuri":
>>> "https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/seamonkey16.png;,
>>> "id": 26,
>>> "index": 3,
>>> "lastModified": 125183051000,
>>> "title": "The SeaMonkey\u00ae Project",
>>> "type": "text/x-moz-place",
>>> "typeCode": 1,
>>> "uri": "http://www.seamonkey-project.org/;
>>> },
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, forgot to mention - you can use kate instead of gedit export
>> to html:
>>
> 
> No need for the html.
> The combination of
>$ jq . bookmarks-2017-12-31.json > tmppretty.json
>$ kate tmppretty.json
> Then deleting excess spaces/tabs and newlines followed by saving to 
> bookmarks-2017-12-31.json solves all my problems. Or if tmppretty.json 
> is acceptable to SeaMonkey it will be simpler.
> 
> I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
>   1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
>  I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
>  Where is the help file located.

F1 getst me to:
https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/applications/kate/index.html

>   2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
>  questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.

See:

also on gmane.org (news.gmane.org):
gmane.comp.kde.devel.kate

> 
> Thank you.
> 

You are most welcome.

Followup-To set to mozilla.general as I think we're now OT.
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-02 Thread Rubens via support-seamonkey

James McCoy wrote on 02/01/2018 16:57:

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:58:51 AM UTC-5, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON,
restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA


The only add-on that I found to work with SeaMonkey 2.49 is Firefox Bookmark 
Deduplicator for removing duplicates. Nothing else works - even after using 
Extension Converter. As for sorting bookmarks... I just click on bookmarks, 
manage bookmarks - right click on the toolbar/bookmark group and sort by name.

As for cleaning bad and dead links - Nothing found that works at all! 
Checkplaces, checkmarks, am-deadlinks, etc... do not waste your time.

If someone has found some addon that works for dead links - please prove me 
wrong!

James
Indiana



Try the "Flat Book Mark Editing" extension, maybe it helps you.
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[EUREKA] Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-02 Thread Richard Owlett

On 01/01/2018 08:37 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/01/2018 05:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
<...>



Or python: https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html#module-json.tool

$ cat bookmarks-2017-12-31.json | python -m json.tool > pretty.json
$ gedit pretty.json

{
"charset": "UTF-8",
"dateAdded": 129167648400,
"guid": "E2VyXb4tHph4",
"iconuri":
"https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/seamonkey16.png;,
"id": 26,
"index": 3,
"lastModified": 125183051000,
"title": "The SeaMonkey\u00ae Project",
"type": "text/x-moz-place",
"typeCode": 1,
"uri": "http://www.seamonkey-project.org/;
},



Sorry, forgot to mention - you can use kate instead of gedit export
to html:



No need for the html.
The combination of
  $ jq . bookmarks-2017-12-31.json > tmppretty.json
  $ kate tmppretty.json
Then deleting excess spaces/tabs and newlines followed by saving to 
bookmarks-2017-12-31.json solves all my problems. Or if tmppretty.json 
is acceptable to SeaMonkey it will be simpler.


I'm using Debian Stretch results in some minor problems with kate:
 1. F1(help) launches SeaMonkey but displays nothing.
I did a full KDE install on a test machine and it works there.
Where is the help file located.
 2. Is there a traditional mailing list or USENET group for asking
questions? I find web based fora almost impossible.

Thank you.
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-02 Thread Richard Owlett

On 01/02/2018 09:57 AM, James McCoy wrote:

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:58:51 AM UTC-5, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON,
restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA


The only add-on that I found to work with SeaMonkey 2.49 is Firefox
Bookmark Deduplicator for removing duplicates. Nothing else works
- even after using Extension Converter.


Some, but not all, of all duplicates are intentional. Many of my folders 
are task rather than subject oriented. I.E. the same tool may appear 
under different tasks as the tool may have a breath of uses.




As for sorting bookmarks
... I just click on bookmarks, manage bookmarks - right click on the
toolbar/bookmark group and sort by name.


But I essentially want to sort folder by frequency/importance of 
performing a task.




As for cleaning bad and dead links - Nothing found that works at all!
Checkplaces, checkmarks, am-deadlinks, etc... do not waste your time.


I don't have dead links so much as I need to substitute a "Wayback 
Machine link".




If someone has found some addon that works for dead links - please prove me 
wrong!

James
Indiana



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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-02 Thread James McCoy
On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 8:58:51 AM UTC-5, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm using
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
> Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
> Build identifier: 20170706221455
> on a Debian 9 system.
> 
> Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have 
> over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).
> 
> I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
> I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML" 
> sequence. It is doable but sub-par.
> 
> Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON, 
> restore from edited JSON file" sequence.
> 
> I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080 
> assembler in the 70's.
> 
> TIA

The only add-on that I found to work with SeaMonkey 2.49 is Firefox Bookmark 
Deduplicator for removing duplicates. Nothing else works - even after using 
Extension Converter. As for sorting bookmarks... I just click on bookmarks, 
manage bookmarks - right click on the toolbar/bookmark group and sort by name.

As for cleaning bad and dead links - Nothing found that works at all! 
Checkplaces, checkmarks, am-deadlinks, etc... do not waste your time. 

If someone has found some addon that works for dead links - please prove me 
wrong!

James
Indiana
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Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-01 Thread NoOp
On 01/01/2018 05:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
<...>
> 
> 
> Or python: https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html#module-json.tool
> 
> $ cat bookmarks-2017-12-31.json | python -m json.tool > pretty.json
> $ gedit pretty.json
> 
> {
> "charset": "UTF-8",
> "dateAdded": 129167648400,
> "guid": "E2VyXb4tHph4",
> "iconuri":
> "https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/seamonkey16.png;,
> "id": 26,
> "index": 3,
> "lastModified": 125183051000,
> "title": "The SeaMonkey\u00ae Project",
> "type": "text/x-moz-place",
> "typeCode": 1,
> "uri": "http://www.seamonkey-project.org/;
> },
> 

Sorry, forgot to mention - you can use kate instead of gedit export to html:

$ kate pretty.json

export as htmp and then open in SeaMonkey:


and in composer:

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Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2018-01-01 Thread NoOp
On 12/31/2017 11:59 AM, Lee wrote:
> On 12/31/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>> On 12/30/2017 07:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2017 10:27 PM, null wrote:
>>>
 The OP's problem is organizing the contents of his bookmarks file,
 which is an sqlite file unamenable to manual editing.

>>>
>>> I had in mind an end run around that problem.
>>> SeaMonkey has two modes of dealing with sets of bookmarks:
>>>   1. Save/Restore which uses JSON
>>>   2. Export/Import HTML
>>>  The "Export" function resembles a lossy conversion of the JSON.
>>>  It does not _appear_ to preserve nesting information. I'll have
>>>  to run more tests to confirm. My initial test flopped as I've not
>>>  read the relevant Help contents.
>>>
>>> I had in mind:
>>>   1. Save the bookmarks.
>>>   2. Pretty print the JSON to a file.
>>>   3. Edit the "pretty file" - awkward but doable.
>>>   4. "Uglify" {if required} to have syntactically correct JSON.
>>>   5. Replace the current set of bookmarks using "Restore" function.
>>>
>>
>> Other people have worked on related tools.
>> Searching planet.mozilla.org and mozillazine.org has been productive.
>> In fact the second article on planet.mozilla.org {Templating JSON/YAML
>> with json-e} suggests some aspects of json-e would be applicable to my
>> problem.
>>
>> I am also searching Debian repositories. Packages related to "aeson"
>> appear promising.
> 
> have you come across 'jq' yet?   eg: to prettyprint json:
> $ jq . bookmarks-2017-12-31.json |more
> {
>   "guid": "root",
>   "title": "",
>   "index": 0,
>   "dateAdded": 149640575996,
>   "lastModified": 1514747427222000,
>   "id": 1,
>   "type": "text/x-moz-place-container",
>   "root": "placesRoot",
>   "children": [
> {
>   "guid": "menu",
>   "title": "Bookmarks Menu",
>   <.. snip ..>
> 
> which looks like a pain to manually edit.
> 
> What was your initial test with export as html?  I've done export as
> html, edit the file, delete all bookmarks, import the edited html &
> not noticed any problems.  What did you see?
> 
> Regards
> Lee
> 


Or python: https://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html#module-json.tool

$ cat bookmarks-2017-12-31.json | python -m json.tool > pretty.json
$ gedit pretty.json

{
"charset": "UTF-8",
"dateAdded": 129167648400,
"guid": "E2VyXb4tHph4",
"iconuri":
"https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/seamonkey16.png;,
"id": 26,
"index": 3,
"lastModified": 125183051000,
"title": "The SeaMonkey\u00ae Project",
"type": "text/x-moz-place",
"typeCode": 1,
"uri": "http://www.seamonkey-project.org/;
},



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Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-31 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/31/2017 01:59 PM, Lee wrote:

On 12/31/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:

[SNIP]


I had in mind:
  1. Save the bookmarks.
  2. Pretty print the JSON to a file.
  3. Edit the "pretty file" - awkward but doable.
  4. "Uglify" {if required} to have syntactically correct JSON.
  5. Replace the current set of bookmarks using "Restore" function.



Other people have worked on related tools.
Searching planet.mozilla.org and mozillazine.org has been productive.
In fact the second article on planet.mozilla.org {Templating
JSON/YAML with json-e} suggests some aspects of json-e would be
applicable to my problem.

I am also searching Debian repositories. Packages related to "aeson"
appear promising.


have you come across 'jq' yet?


About 15 minutes ago <*ROFL*> 
http://discoposse.com/2016/09/13/using-jq-to-pretty-print-json-output/ 
gives a pretty picture of it doing *EXACTLY* what I was looking for. :}



   eg: to prettyprint json:

$ jq . bookmarks-2017-12-31.json |more
{
  "guid": "root",
  "title": "",
  "index": 0,
  "dateAdded": 149640575996,
  "lastModified": 1514747427222000,
  "id": 1,
  "type": "text/x-moz-place-container",
  "root": "placesRoot",
  "children": [
{
  "guid": "menu",
  "title": "Bookmarks Menu",
  <.. snip ..>

which looks like a pain to manually edit.


Had I not said
  "3. Edit the "pretty file" - awkward but doable."


It gives me a visual aid for doing copy-n-paste.




What was your initial test with export as html?  I've done export as
html, edit the file, delete all bookmarks, import the edited html &
not noticed any problems.  What did you see?


It did not preserve the nesting structure. My folders are nested up to 3 
deep.


I had already created some small but perverse sample bookmarks sets.

Thank you!



Regards
Lee



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Re: [Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-31 Thread Lee
On 12/31/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> On 12/30/2017 07:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 12/29/2017 10:27 PM, null wrote:
>>
>>> The OP's problem is organizing the contents of his bookmarks file,
>>> which is an sqlite file unamenable to manual editing.
>>>
>>
>> I had in mind an end run around that problem.
>> SeaMonkey has two modes of dealing with sets of bookmarks:
>>   1. Save/Restore which uses JSON
>>   2. Export/Import HTML
>>  The "Export" function resembles a lossy conversion of the JSON.
>>  It does not _appear_ to preserve nesting information. I'll have
>>  to run more tests to confirm. My initial test flopped as I've not
>>  read the relevant Help contents.
>>
>> I had in mind:
>>   1. Save the bookmarks.
>>   2. Pretty print the JSON to a file.
>>   3. Edit the "pretty file" - awkward but doable.
>>   4. "Uglify" {if required} to have syntactically correct JSON.
>>   5. Replace the current set of bookmarks using "Restore" function.
>>
>
> Other people have worked on related tools.
> Searching planet.mozilla.org and mozillazine.org has been productive.
> In fact the second article on planet.mozilla.org {Templating JSON/YAML
> with json-e} suggests some aspects of json-e would be applicable to my
> problem.
>
> I am also searching Debian repositories. Packages related to "aeson"
> appear promising.

have you come across 'jq' yet?   eg: to prettyprint json:
$ jq . bookmarks-2017-12-31.json |more
{
  "guid": "root",
  "title": "",
  "index": 0,
  "dateAdded": 149640575996,
  "lastModified": 1514747427222000,
  "id": 1,
  "type": "text/x-moz-place-container",
  "root": "placesRoot",
  "children": [
{
  "guid": "menu",
  "title": "Bookmarks Menu",
  <.. snip ..>

which looks like a pain to manually edit.

What was your initial test with export as html?  I've done export as
html, edit the file, delete all bookmarks, import the edited html &
not noticed any problems.  What did you see?

Regards
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[Progress] Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-31 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/30/2017 07:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/29/2017 10:27 PM, null wrote:


The OP's problem is organizing the contents of his bookmarks file,
which is an sqlite file unamenable to manual editing.



I had in mind an end run around that problem.
SeaMonkey has two modes of dealing with sets of bookmarks:
  1. Save/Restore which uses JSON
  2. Export/Import HTML
 The "Export" function resembles a lossy conversion of the JSON.
 It does not _appear_ to preserve nesting information. I'll have
 to run more tests to confirm. My initial test flopped as I've not
 read the relevant Help contents.

I had in mind:
  1. Save the bookmarks.
  2. Pretty print the JSON to a file.
  3. Edit the "pretty file" - awkward but doable.
  4. "Uglify" {if required} to have syntactically correct JSON.
  5. Replace the current set of bookmarks using "Restore" function.



Other people have worked on related tools.
Searching planet.mozilla.org and mozillazine.org has been productive.
In fact the second article on planet.mozilla.org {Templating JSON/YAML 
with json-e} suggests some aspects of json-e would be applicable to my 
problem.


I am also searching Debian repositories. Packages related to "aeson" 
appear promising.


I'll have time to search as "Baby it's cold outside."


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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-31 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/31/2017 05:00 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:

I use AM-Deadlink v4.7 to keep my bookmarks current. It works very
well with SM, and ID's which bookmarks are out of date or dead very
quickly.


Deadlinks are not my problem, lousy ad-hoc use of folders is 
A tool for listing deadlinks would be useful. However I wouldn't be 
deleting them, but fetching an appropriate URL from

Internet Archive: Wayback Machine .

It wouldn't help me as it is Windows only {see author's page at 
}.


However there are other tools referenced there that may be of interest 
to Windows users.




Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON,
restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA





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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-31 Thread Tom Pamin
I use AM-Deadlink v4.7 to keep my bookmarks current. It works very well 
with SM, and ID's which bookmarks are out of date or dead very quickly.


Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON,
restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA



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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-30 Thread Lee
On 12/29/17, n...@lists.mozilla.org  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>> On 12/29/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>>> If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a
>>> file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display
>>> display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the
>>> display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.
>> windows: tree /a
>> - send the output to a file:
>> mkdir c:\temp
>> tree /a  1>c:\temp\tree.txt  & notepad c:\temp\tree.txt
>>
>> linux: http://centerkey.com/tree/
>
> The OP's problem is organizing the contents of his bookmarks file, which
> is an sqlite file unamenable to manual editing.
>
> True, tree /f from the command line would show this file sitting in the
> SM default profile folder, but that doesn't solve his problem.

Right, sorry for the noise. Apparently I quit reading at 'file
directory structure' and ignored 'contents' :(

How about this - not ascii line art, but it is a one liner:
- export bookmarks as html
$ grep "~~" -e "s~~~"
About
Search Engines
JobSearch
Networking
SpeedTest
Reddit
occasional
Security
Browser fingerprinting
Host files
SSL test sites
Software
BIND
DocBook
GCC
IrfanView
Vendors
FreeBSD
Intel
Microsoft
Mozilla
  <.. snip ..>

Lee
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-30 Thread meagain

On 12/28/2017 8:58 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48

Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have 
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).


I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML" 
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.


Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the JSON, 
restore from edited JSON file" sequence.


I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080 
assembler in the 70's.


TIA



A URL can be drag-n-dropped as shortcuts to your desktop from SeaMonkey. 
If you associate SM to launch said shortcut, you can now create a 
hierarchy of folders and sub-folders that you can search and reorganize.

Organization experts claim 7 folders at each level is a good target ;-)
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-30 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Felix Miata wrote:

n...@lists.mozilla.org composed on 2017-12-30 18:51 (UTC+1300):


You want to search the bookmarks for a specific bookmark and,
having found it, immediately move it elsewhere in the bookmarks
hierarchy. Ids that right?



If so, it can't be done.

That behavior frustrated me for over a decade before thinking outside
the box rather recently.

Search for the bookmark. Cut or copy from the undisclosed location.
Paste where you want it to be.


On my 2.49.1, Manage Bookmarks produces a window with a folder list on 
the left and search results on the right. So just drag-n-drop the search 
result to the desired folder.


--
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-30 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/29/2017 11:51 PM, null wrote:

[snip]
Hm . from your comments above, I'm beginning to see your
problem. You want to search the bookmarks for a specific bookmark and,
having found it, immediately move it elsewhere in the bookmarks
hierarchy. Ids that right?


You've got it!



If so, it can't be done.


That's too absolute a statement ;}
I remember a song from my college daze about a ram and a "100 kilowatt 
dam". IIRC the last line was "oops there goes a 100 kilowatt dam."


{See my reply to your post of 12/29/2017 10:27 PM}

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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-30 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/29/2017 10:27 PM, null wrote:


The OP's problem is organizing the contents of his bookmarks file,
which is an sqlite file unamenable to manual editing.



I had in mind an end run around that problem.
SeaMonkey has two modes of dealing with sets of bookmarks:
  1. Save/Restore which uses JSON
  2. Export/Import HTML
 The "Export" function resembles a lossy conversion of the JSON.
 It does not _appear_ to preserve nesting information. I'll have
 to run more tests to confirm. My initial test flopped as I've not
 read the relevant Help contents.

I had in mind:
  1. Save the bookmarks.
  2. Pretty print the JSON to a file.
  3. Edit the "pretty file" - awkward but doable.
  4. "Uglify" {if required} to have syntactically correct JSON.
  5. Replace the current set of bookmarks using "Restore" function.

P.S. anyone know of an introduction to SQL comprehensible to one has not
 done *ANYTHING* with any database since using dBaseII in the 70's.

Thank you.



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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-30 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/29/2017 08:23 PM, Lee wrote:

On 12/29/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:


If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a
file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display
display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the
display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.


windows: tree /a
- send the output to a file:
mkdir c:\temp
tree /a  1>c:\temp\tree.txt  & notepad c:\temp\tree.txt

linux: http://centerkey.com/tree/

Regards,
Lee



That's the command I was thinking of.
There is a package named "tree" in the Debian repository. Don't know if 
its identical to your link.

Thank you.
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread Felix Miata
n...@lists.mozilla.org composed on 2017-12-30 18:51 (UTC+1300):

> You want to search the bookmarks for a specific bookmark and, 
> having found it, immediately move it elsewhere in the bookmarks 
> hierarchy. Ids that right?

> If so, it can't be done.
That behavior frustrated me for over a decade before thinking outside the box
rather recently.

Search for the bookmark. Cut or copy from the undisclosed location. Paste where
you want it to be.

If that doesn't work the way you expect, search, open the found, create new from
the found, then copy or move from "Recently bookmarked" to a suitable folder.

Keyboard might work better alone or in conjunction with DND. I DND very
infrequently, more often by accident than by intent, requiring ESC key, or undo
from menu.
-- 
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread null

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/29/2017 08:25 AM, Jim Dell wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/29/2017 04:53 AM, null wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

But there are the GOTCHA's that prompted this thread.
"Manage Bookmarks" does not have appropriate search capabilities.
  1. I need to be able to search ONLY folder titles for key(s)
 I then need to be able to yank that folder and its contents
   be they be folders OR URL's and place them in the desired
   folder.
  2. I need to be able to search ONLY the assigned item name (usually
 the titled given by the page's author).
 I then need to know where in the folder hierarchy it is.
   Should it be remain in current folder, should it be moved or
   copied to the new folder you mentioned by you, or should it be
   deleted as a duplicate &/or obsolete item.
  3. I need to be able to search ONLY the URL to see if it is in the
 right folder or perhaps be duplicated in another folder.


4) Repeat for each subject
Hm . from your comments above, I'm beginning to see your 
problem. You want to search the bookmarks for a specific bookmark and, 
having found it, immediately move it elsewhere in the bookmarks 
hierarchy. Ids that right?


If so, it can't be done. It could be done in Netscape and, I think, in 
early versions of SM. When you did a search, the display would move to 
and highlight the searched for item. If there were more than one item 
with the same search key, you could click "next" and it would go to the 
next item. This allowed you to see where in the hierarchy the bookmark 
was situated, something which is quite crucial if you are trying to do 
some sort of periodic sorting out or re-organizing of your bookmarks. At 
any point in this procedure, you could decide to delete a bookmark or 
folder, or copy it elsewhere, either by dragging or cut/copy and pasting.


Not any more. When SM redesigned the bookmark file as an Sqlite database 
file some years ago now, the search facility became a search box in the 
top right-hand corner of the bookmarks display. Putting a string in that 
box instantly lists all bookmarks containing the string, but it doesn't 
tell you where they are or allow you to move them.


This problem, along with a few other things that got dropped, like the 
ability to label a separator line, has been the subject of complaints 
going back perhaps up to 7 years or so, but nothing has been done about 
it.  So as I said in my earlier post, the only way to re-organize your 
bookmarks in to open Manage Bookmarks and use that to manually rename or 
create new folders and/or sub-folders, move bookmarks around into more 
appropriate folders, and so on. Of course, it's time consuming, but as 
far as I can see there's no other way.


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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread null

Lee wrote:

On 12/29/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:

If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a
file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display
display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the
display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.

windows: tree /a
- send the output to a file:
mkdir c:\temp
tree /a  1>c:\temp\tree.txt  & notepad c:\temp\tree.txt

linux: http://centerkey.com/tree/
The OP's problem is organizing the contents of his bookmarks file, which 
is an sqlite file unamenable to manual editing.


True, tree /f from the command line would show this file sitting in the 
SM default profile folder, but that doesn't solve his problem.

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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread Lee
On 12/29/17, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a
> file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display
> display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the
> display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.

windows: tree /a
- send the output to a file:
mkdir c:\temp
tree /a  1>c:\temp\tree.txt  & notepad c:\temp\tree.txt

linux: http://centerkey.com/tree/

Regards,
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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/29/2017 08:25 AM, Jim Dell wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/29/2017 04:53 AM, null wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the
JSON, restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA


As a power user of bookmarks since the old Netscape days, I was
intrigued to see a posting about them as we don't seem to see much
discussion about bookmarks.


We have similar history. I suspect that the reason for little
discussion of bookmarks is that such a good job originally. My
standard for a good UI is still Netscape.



However, from what you say, it's not entirely clear what the problem
is. For instance, you say you find "Manage Bookmarks" too cumbersome,
but what other way could there possibly be to organize your bookmarks?


Folders containing both other folders and quanta of information is
fine {e.g. FHS}.



 I probably have more bookmarks and folders than you, and every so
often I open Manage Bookmarks and set about filing new bookmarks
withing my system of folders, creating new folders as necessary,
deleting bookmarks that I decide I no longer need, and so on.


You are organized. I'm currently *NOT* :<
A large portion of my folders have WHEN bookmarked rather than SUBJECT.


True,
you can export the bookmark file as HTML, but trying to edit that
would be vastly more difficult than the previous alternative, and
trying to edit the JSON file would, I think, be impossible.


I've a vague idea of how it could be done, but don't have enough
programing background to express it.



Perhaps you could post more details of what exactly your problem is in
organizing your bookmarks.


If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a
file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display
display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the
display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.

Thanks for reading.




Try this
1) Manage Bookmarks
2) Create a folder by the Subject name you want to put bookmarks in


So far so good ;/


3) Now drag & drop all the bookmark that apply to that subject


But there are the GOTCHA's that prompted this thread.
"Manage Bookmarks" does not have appropriate search capabilities.
  1. I need to be able to search ONLY folder titles for key(s)
 I then need to be able to yank that folder and its contents
   be they be folders OR URL's and place them in the desired
   folder.
  2. I need to be able to search ONLY the assigned item name (usually
 the titled given by the page's author).
 I then need to know where in the folder hierarchy it is.
   Should it be remain in current folder, should it be moved or
   copied to the new folder you mentioned by you, or should it be
   deleted as a duplicate &/or obsolete item.
  3. I need to be able to search ONLY the URL to see if it is in the
 right folder or perhaps be duplicated in another folder.


4) Repeat for each subject




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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread Jim Dell

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/29/2017 04:53 AM, null wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the
JSON, restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA


As a power user of bookmarks since the old Netscape days, I was
intrigued to see a posting about them as we don't seem to see much
discussion about bookmarks.


We have similar history. I suspect that the reason for little discussion 
of bookmarks is that such a good job originally. My standard for a good 
UI is still Netscape.




However, from what you say, it's not entirely clear what the problem
is. For instance, you say you find "Manage Bookmarks" too cumbersome,
but what other way could there possibly be to organize your bookmarks?


Folders containing both other folders and quanta of information is fine 
{e.g. FHS}.




 I probably have more bookmarks and folders than you, and every so
often I open Manage Bookmarks and set about filing new bookmarks
withing my system of folders, creating new folders as necessary,
deleting bookmarks that I decide I no longer need, and so on.


You are organized. I'm currently *NOT* :<
A large portion of my folders have WHEN bookmarked rather than SUBJECT.


True,
you can export the bookmark file as HTML, but trying to edit that
would be vastly more difficult than the previous alternative, and
trying to edit the JSON file would, I think, be impossible.


I've a vague idea of how it could be done, but don't have enough 
programing background to express it.




Perhaps you could post more details of what exactly your problem is in
organizing your bookmarks.


If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a 
file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display 
display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the 
display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.


Thanks for reading.




Try this
1) Manage Bookmarks
2) Create a folder by the Subject name you want to put bookmarks in
3) Now drag & drop all the bookmark that apply to that subject
4) Repeat for each subject




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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread Richard Owlett

On 12/29/2017 04:53 AM, null wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).

I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML"
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.

Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the
JSON, restore from edited JSON file" sequence.

I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080
assembler in the 70's.

TIA


As a power user of bookmarks since the old Netscape days, I was
intrigued to see a posting about them as we don't seem to see much
discussion about bookmarks.


We have similar history. I suspect that the reason for little discussion 
of bookmarks is that such a good job originally. My standard for a good 
UI is still Netscape.




However, from what you say, it's not entirely clear what the problem
is. For instance, you say you find "Manage Bookmarks" too cumbersome,
but what other way could there possibly be to organize your bookmarks?


Folders containing both other folders and quanta of information is fine 
{e.g. FHS}.




 I probably have more bookmarks and folders than you, and every so
often I open Manage Bookmarks and set about filing new bookmarks
withing my system of folders, creating new folders as necessary,
deleting bookmarks that I decide I no longer need, and so on.


You are organized. I'm currently *NOT* :<
A large portion of my folders have WHEN bookmarked rather than SUBJECT.


True,
you can export the bookmark file as HTML, but trying to edit that
would be vastly more difficult than the previous alternative, and
trying to edit the JSON file would, I think, be impossible.


I've a vague idea of how it could be done, but don't have enough 
programing background to express it.




Perhaps you could post more details of what exactly your problem is in
organizing your bookmarks.


If someone could remind me of the command and syntax for displaying a 
file directory structure/contents as ASCII line art I could display 
display the organization of my home directory. I could then mangle the 
display an analog of the disorganization of my bookmarks.


Thanks for reading.



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Re: Reorganizing bookmarks - HOW?

2017-12-29 Thread null

Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm using
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48

Build identifier: 20170706221455
on a Debian 9 system.

Over the years my bookmarks have grown topsy turvy. I currently have 
over 400 folders nested at least 3 deep (no idea how many bookmarks).


I find the "Manage Bookmarks" option too cumbersome.
I experimented with an "export as HTML, edit HTML, import HTML" 
sequence. It is doable but sub-par.


Is there a newbie friendly tool to do a "backup as JSON, edit the 
JSON, restore from edited JSON file" sequence.


I've not done any significant coding since using dBaseII and 8080 
assembler in the 70's.


TIA

As a power user of bookmarks since the old Netscape days, I was 
intrigued to see a posting about them as we don't seem to see much 
discussion about bookmarks.


However, from what you say, it's not entirely clear what the problem is. 
For instance, you say you find "Manage Bookmarks" too cumbersome, but 
what other way could there possibly be to organize your bookmarks? I 
probably have more bookmarks and folders than you, and every so often I 
open Manage Bookmarks and set about filing new bookmarks withing my 
system of folders, creating new folders as necessary, deleting bookmarks 
that I decide I no longer need, and so on. True, you can export the 
bookmark file as HTML, but trying to edit that would be vastly more 
difficult than the previous alternative, and trying to edit the JSON 
file would, I think, be impossible.


Perhaps you could post more details of what exactly your problem is in 
organizing your bookmarks.

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