Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
Benoit Renard wrote: Daniel wrote: Talk about Bloat!! In SM 1.x you could just install the SM browser if that was all you wanted...Now some bright spark has decided that you MUST install every bit of SM (browser, mail/news, composer, chatzilla, etc.) or no bits at all. The browser and composer always had to be installed. mailnews is no longer an option due to technical limitations. Everything else you can still opt to not install. Thanks for this, Benoit, I was under the impression it was All or Nothing!. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
Benoit Renard wrote: NoOp wrote: My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes astray. Is this feature really such a deal breaker for you for moving on to 2.0? I mean, it seems pretty simple/logical to create a 'download' folder and then set Edit|Preferences|Browser|Downloads|When saving a file: Save files to... or keep the 'Always ask me where to save files' default. I'd have to vote for 'WONTFIX' as it seems to me that the feature just adds unecessary bloat (clutter?) to the interface. Please don't adopt the Firefox mentality. If such an option is considered bloat, a lot of options in SeaMonkey can be considered bloat. Talk about Bloat!! In SM 1.x you could just install the SM browser if that was all you wanted...Now some bright spark has decided that you MUST install every bit of SM (browser, mail/news, composer, chatzilla, etc.) or no bits at all. Now that is bloat!!! (Mind you, I don't understand why someone might want to just install the browser only!but what would I know!!) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
Daniel wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: NoOp wrote: My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes astray. Is this feature really such a deal breaker for you for moving on to 2.0? I mean, it seems pretty simple/logical to create a 'download' folder and then set Edit|Preferences|Browser|Downloads|When saving a file: Save files to... or keep the 'Always ask me where to save files' default. I'd have to vote for 'WONTFIX' as it seems to me that the feature just adds unecessary bloat (clutter?) to the interface. Please don't adopt the Firefox mentality. If such an option is considered bloat, a lot of options in SeaMonkey can be considered bloat. Talk about Bloat!! In SM 1.x you could just install the SM browser if that was all you wanted...Now some bright spark has decided that you MUST install every bit of SM (browser, mail/news, composer, chatzilla, etc.) or no bits at all. Now that is bloat!!! (Mind you, I don't understand why someone might want to just install the browser only!but what would I know!!) Daniel I could do without the Chatzilla. I believe its a extension. I'm thinking about removing it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
NoOp wrote: On 11/18/2009 09:03 AM, Benoit Renard wrote: NoOp wrote: My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes astray. Is this feature really such a deal breaker for you for moving on to 2.0? I mean, it seems pretty simple/logical to create a 'download' folder and then set Edit|Preferences|Browser|Downloads|When saving a file: Save files to... or keep the 'Always ask me where to save files' default. I'd have to vote for 'WONTFIX' as it seems to me that the feature just adds unecessary bloat (clutter?) to the interface. Please don't adopt the Firefox mentality. If such an option is considered bloat, a lot of options in SeaMonkey can be considered bloat. I don't consider ones inability to keep track of where a file is downloaded 'Firefox mentality'; quite the opposite IMO. The Firefox mentality I was referring to is quickly going oh this is bloat in response to the proposal of an option, and suggesting to WONTFIX it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
Daniel wrote: Talk about Bloat!! In SM 1.x you could just install the SM browser if that was all you wanted...Now some bright spark has decided that you MUST install every bit of SM (browser, mail/news, composer, chatzilla, etc.) or no bits at all. The browser and composer always had to be installed. mailnews is no longer an option due to technical limitations. Everything else you can still opt to not install. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
NoOp wrote: My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes astray. Is this feature really such a deal breaker for you for moving on to 2.0? I mean, it seems pretty simple/logical to create a 'download' folder and then set Edit|Preferences|Browser|Downloads|When saving a file: Save files to... or keep the 'Always ask me where to save files' default. I'd have to vote for 'WONTFIX' as it seems to me that the feature just adds unecessary bloat (clutter?) to the interface. Please don't adopt the Firefox mentality. If such an option is considered bloat, a lot of options in SeaMonkey can be considered bloat. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
On 11/18/2009 09:03 AM, Benoit Renard wrote: NoOp wrote: My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes astray. Is this feature really such a deal breaker for you for moving on to 2.0? I mean, it seems pretty simple/logical to create a 'download' folder and then set Edit|Preferences|Browser|Downloads|When saving a file: Save files to... or keep the 'Always ask me where to save files' default. I'd have to vote for 'WONTFIX' as it seems to me that the feature just adds unecessary bloat (clutter?) to the interface. Please don't adopt the Firefox mentality. If such an option is considered bloat, a lot of options in SeaMonkey can be considered bloat. I don't consider ones inability to keep track of where a file is downloaded 'Firefox mentality'; quite the opposite IMO. When _you_ download a file _you_ have the option of: 1) selecting a folder/directory of where to download it, 2) selecting a preconfigured location where all downloads will be placed, 3) using the search features in your particular OS to find out where you may have downloaded the file in the event that you weren't paying attention to 1 above - afterall, the filename is listed in the download manager unless you cleared the DM. I suppose that the next request will be to add pop-up's reminding you of files you've downloaded and where they went... But let's get real here; if the feature is no longer available in 2.0, is that something that one would reasonably say is a blocker for them to go from 1.1.18 to 2.0? quote - Drew C. Specifically, I miss 1.x's large buttons and, more critically, the ability to easily copy the local path of a download (bug 474640) so I can paste it to another application or to a command line. I still can't figure out a way to do the latter in 2.0, even from the Download Manager. Until something is done about this, I'm going to continue using 1.1.18 as my primary browser. /quote - Drew C. So Drew C. would rather stick with an insecure, soon to be unsupported version of SeaMonkey due to the lack of this download feature? I suppose that's his choice. BTW: When you select Tools|Download Manager in Fx 3.x all you'll get is a dialog type window with no menus; you can right-click on the file get: Open, Open Containing Folder, etc. The last being where you downloaded the file. Then again, I suppose that you can do exactly the same with SeaMonkey 2.0; just discovered this while comparing the two (Fx SM 2.0). So Drew C. we're saved; you can migrate to 2.0. Jens can modify his bug, Benoit will be happy, and you can use: Tools|Download Manager - right click on the file and select 'Open Containing Folder' and that will open to the very location where you downloaded the file. From there you can copy the location to paste as you wish. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
On Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 9:50 p.m., NoOp wrote: But let's get real here; if the feature is no longer available in 2.0, is that something that one would reasonably say is a blocker for them to go from 1.1.18 to 2.0? You're right, this isn't a catastrophic loss of functionality; I suppose if there were no action to address this issue via the SeaMonkey code base or even via a third-party plug-in, then I could cope somehow. But it wouldn't be hard to add back the functionality. There is a proposed patch posted to bug 474640, and it seems small enough to remain beneath the level of bloat. Basically it just adds a Copy Target Path to the context menu of the downloaded item. Either way, I'm not going to commit to 2.x for several weeks at least; I am keeping an eye out for migration issues and will probably wait until the first or second bugfix release to make the switch. BTW: When you select Tools|Download Manager in Fx 3.x all you'll get is a dialog type window with no menus; you can right-click on the file get: Open, Open Containing Folder, etc. The last being where you downloaded the file. Then again, I suppose that you can do exactly the same with SeaMonkey 2.0; just discovered this while comparing the two (Fx SM 2.0). So Drew C. we're saved; you can migrate to 2.0. Jens can modify his bug, Benoit will be happy, and you can use: Tools|Download Manager - right click on the file and select 'Open Containing Folder' and that will open to the very location where you downloaded the file. From there you can copy the location to paste as you wish. I was aware that I could do this, but as I've made clear, I'd rather be able to copy the local path directly in one step. It's possible that I am in a very small minority of users who value this feature. Let me explain my situation: I typically save my downloads to many different folders, and after they are downloaded, I often perform various operations on the files from the command prompt or from another application. There are times when I execute a command that affects downloaded files in several folders at one time. I could accomplish this using GUI methods, but I prefer the speed of the command line. Am I the only person out there who still likes to type commands to get things done instead of clicking, scrolling, and dragging? Even with GUI applications, I have found that it's much quicker to paste a file's path into an Open File dialog instead of navigating through folder trees to get to the file. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
NoOp wrote: Regarding the size of the buttons; very much agree. There was a dission over on the mozilla.support.seamonkey group prior to the release of SM 2.0. Maybe they'll be adjusted in 2.0.x. Unfortunately, such things don't get changed in minor releases. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
On 11/16/2009 07:11 PM, NoOp wrote: On 11/16/2009 06:06 PM, Drew C. wrote: ... Agreed. I've tried 2.0 and have found it generally an improvement over 1.x, but I don't like the new download progress dialog. Specifically, I miss 1.x's large buttons and, more critically, the ability to easily copy the local path of a download (bug 474640) so I can paste it to another application or to a command line. I still can't figure out a way to do the latter in 2.0, even from the Download Manager. Until something is done about this, I'm going to continue using 1.1.18 as my primary browser. You can copy the path of the download from the download progress dialog *and* the download manager - just right-click the link being downloaded and select 'Copy Download Link'. Forgot to add: from the Download Manger - Edit|Copy Download Link. Do none of those work for you? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
Benoit Renard wrote: NoOp wrote: Regarding the size of the buttons; very much agree. There was a dission over on the mozilla.support.seamonkey group prior to the release of SM 2.0. Maybe they'll be adjusted in 2.0.x. Unfortunately, such things don't get changed in minor releases. In a lot of ways it's like they just simply threw out some of the most user friendly features of the previous interface in deference to whatever they were personally using at the time...I mean - all you need do is try to use some of these features on a laptop or with a variety of trackpads for about 10 minutes and the issues become pretty clear. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
On Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 1:29 p.m., NoOp wrote: On 11/16/2009 07:11 PM, NoOp wrote: You can copy the path of the download from the download progress dialog *and* the download manager - just right-click the link being downloaded and select 'Copy Download Link'. Forgot to add: from the Download Manger - Edit|Copy Download Link. Do none of those work for you? Those actions copy the original URL of the download. What I want is the path of the local file that is saved to my PC. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
On Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 9:45 p.m., Rufus wrote: ...and who figured it was a good idea to shrink the pause and stop buttons in the Download Progress Dialog pane to pin points? It's like shootin' darts to hit those buttons...put 'em back the way they were! Agreed. I've tried 2.0 and have found it generally an improvement over 1.x, but I don't like the new download progress dialog. Specifically, I miss 1.x's large buttons and, more critically, the ability to easily copy the local path of a download (bug 474640) so I can paste it to another application or to a command line. I still can't figure out a way to do the latter in 2.0, even from the Download Manager. Until something is done about this, I'm going to continue using 1.1.18 as my primary browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Download Progress Dialog...
On 11/16/2009 06:06 PM, Drew C. wrote: On Thursday, November 12, 2009, at 9:45 p.m., Rufus wrote: ...and who figured it was a good idea to shrink the pause and stop buttons in the Download Progress Dialog pane to pin points? It's like shootin' darts to hit those buttons...put 'em back the way they were! Agreed. I've tried 2.0 and have found it generally an improvement over 1.x, but I don't like the new download progress dialog. Specifically, I miss 1.x's large buttons and, more critically, the ability to easily copy the local path of a download (bug 474640) so I can paste it to another application or to a command line. I still can't figure out a way to do the latter in 2.0, even from the Download Manager. Until something is done about this, I'm going to continue using 1.1.18 as my primary browser. You can copy the path of the download from the download progress dialog *and* the download manager - just right-click the link being downloaded and select 'Copy Download Link'. I do it all the time to copy paste the link to gwget where I can control the download rate. I start the download, copy the link, stop the SM download as it has no rate/bandwidth control, and instead use gwget. Here is a sample of a link that was copied from the download manager (download was complete): http://ftp.df.lth.se/mozilla/seamonkey/releases/2.0/linux-i686/en-US/seamonkey-2.0.tar.bz2 IMO 474640 should be closed as 'resolved'. Regarding the size of the buttons; very much agree. There was a dission over on the mozilla.support.seamonkey group prior to the release of SM 2.0. Maybe they'll be adjusted in 2.0.x. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
