Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-07 Thread Andrea Govoni 
Il 07/01/10 02:56, Rufus ha scritto:
 
 Andrea Govoni wrote:
 
 Nevertheless, I have a problem with the text in the upper section of the
 page [1], where some symbols used for unrecognized characters are
 displayed (see [2]). However, I don't get those strange unrecognized
 character symbols on SM 1.1.18, even *without* the additional fonts
 installed, or in a fresh new SM2 profile.
 Any suggestion about what might cause this?


 [1] http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
 [2]
 http://idisk.mac.com/xfox/Public/SM2%20unrecognized%20characters.png
 
 I seem to recall reading something a bit ago about support for new
 OpenType fonts being problematic with OS X (forget which version - but
 being recent, I'd think SnoLep).
 
 Could this font stuff be OS related and not strictly SM related?  Across
 the board?..

I doubt it, since I get the characters right with SM 1.1.18 and in a
fresh new profile with SM 2.0.2.
Maybe it has to do with some extension I installed in my main profile…
I'll try to run SM in safe mode soon and report back.


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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-07 Thread »Q« 
In news:0oydnd7rqj4mgtvwnz2dnuvz_oadn...@mozilla.org,
NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote:

 On 01/06/2010 03:08 PM, Andrea Govoni wrote:
 
  Nevertheless, I have a problem with the text in the upper section
  of the page [1], where some symbols used for unrecognized
  characters are displayed (see [2]). However, I don't get those
  strange unrecognized character symbols on SM 1.1.18, even *without*
  the additional fonts installed, or in a fresh new SM2 profile.
  Any suggestion about what might cause this?
  
  
  [1] http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
  [2]
  http://idisk.mac.com/xfox/Public/SM2%20unrecognized%20characters.png 
 
 Thank Andrea for testing. The symbols are most likely with a UTF-8
 character setting. Try: View|Character Encoding|Western (ISO-8859-1)
 and see if you still get them.

The page needs to be served with an HTTP Content-Type header that 
specifies ISO-8859-1 (or ISO-8859-15), like

 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 

or the page needs a meta tag like this one:

  meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15

Without one of these, browsers have to either guess or just use their 
defaults, which for a lot of users will lead to the kind of display in 
Andrea's link [2] above.

Urgh, I've just realized the web site owner isn't actually reading this 
thread.  Oh, well, I've typed it now -- and Andrea, NoOp's suggestion 
to switch your views should work fine, though the problem is with the 
site itself and users should never have to monkey with those settings.

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-06 Thread NoOp 
On 01/05/2010 04:03 AM, Christian Mondrup wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
...
 Just to be sure I was getting the fonts right, I opened a doc in
 OpenOffice.org and used the fonts  inserted the 'b' and it also shows
 as in your google-chrome.png. If you'd like, I can send you a screenshot
 from SeaMonkey 1.1.18 directly to include with your bug report.
 
 Please do

As an update; Christian created a bug report for this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538007
[Truetype fonts referenced in the above mentioned web page are not
displayed]

We've tested  confirmed in linux  I also tested in Windows. Could
someone in the group please test with a Mac?

Thanks.

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-06 Thread Andrea Govoni 
Il 06/01/10 20:27, NoOp ha scritto:
 
 As an update; Christian created a bug report for this:
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538007
 [Truetype fonts referenced in the above mentioned web page are not
 displayed]
 
 We've tested  confirmed in linux  I also tested in Windows. Could
 someone in the group please test with a Mac?

I've just tested on Mac and updated the bug with my findings: it seems a
Linux only issue.

Nevertheless, I have a problem with the text in the upper section of the
page [1], where some symbols used for unrecognized characters are
displayed (see [2]). However, I don't get those strange unrecognized
character symbols on SM 1.1.18, even *without* the additional fonts
installed, or in a fresh new SM2 profile.
Any suggestion about what might cause this?


[1] http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
[2] http://idisk.mac.com/xfox/Public/SM2%20unrecognized%20characters.png

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-06 Thread Rufus 

Andrea Govoni wrote:

Il 06/01/10 20:27, NoOp ha scritto:

As an update; Christian created a bug report for this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538007
[Truetype fonts referenced in the above mentioned web page are not
displayed]

We've tested  confirmed in linux  I also tested in Windows. Could
someone in the group please test with a Mac?


I've just tested on Mac and updated the bug with my findings: it seems a
Linux only issue.

Nevertheless, I have a problem with the text in the upper section of the
page [1], where some symbols used for unrecognized characters are
displayed (see [2]). However, I don't get those strange unrecognized
character symbols on SM 1.1.18, even *without* the additional fonts
installed, or in a fresh new SM2 profile.
Any suggestion about what might cause this?


[1] http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
[2] http://idisk.mac.com/xfox/Public/SM2%20unrecognized%20characters.png



I seem to recall reading something a bit ago about support for new 
OpenType fonts being problematic with OS X (forget which version - but 
being recent, I'd think SnoLep).


Could this font stuff be OS related and not strictly SM related?  Across 
the board?..


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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-05 Thread Christian Mondrup 

NoOp wrote:

On 01/04/2010 12:24 PM, NoOp wrote:

SeaMonkey 1.1.18 picks up the font as shown in your google-chrome.png.
Firefox 3.5.6 does not. I'll need to close SeaMonkey 2.0.1 to test
also will test in 2.0.2pre.


Nope. SM 2.0.1 and 2.0.2pre (linux) do not display the font(s). Again,
1.1.18 does, so it is an issue with 2x linux. I'd recommend filing a bug.

# Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100101 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.2pre

for 1.1.18:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090823 NOT
Firefox/3.0 SeaMonkey/1.1.18
and tested also without the 'NOT Firefox/3.0'.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090823
SeaMonkey/1.1.18

so, it's nothing to do with Ubuntu fonts as 1.1.18 does pick up the font.

Just to be sure I was getting the fonts right, I opened a doc in
OpenOffice.org and used the fonts  inserted the 'b' and it also shows
as in your google-chrome.png. If you'd like, I can send you a screenshot
from SeaMonkey 1.1.18 directly to include with your bug report.


Please do



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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-05 Thread NoOp 
On 01/05/2010 04:03 AM, Christian Mondrup wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
...
 so, it's nothing to do with Ubuntu fonts as 1.1.18 does pick up the font.

 Just to be sure I was getting the fonts right, I opened a doc in
 OpenOffice.org and used the fonts  inserted the 'b' and it also shows
 as in your google-chrome.png. If you'd like, I can send you a screenshot
 from SeaMonkey 1.1.18 directly to include with your bug report.
 
 Please do

Done.

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-04 Thread Christian Mondrup 

NoOp wrote:

On 01/03/2010 07:07 AM, Christian Mondrup wrote:

Since SM 2 I've been unable to use a web site,
http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/, properly. The site offers an on-line
doctionary on Danish dialects. In order to display phonetic characters
it references a set of fonts which can be downloaded from the site
(http://www.jyskordbog.dk/hjemmesider/jyskiso.exe). This file is in fact
a zip file containing 3 truetype fonts. I've stored these fonts in the
~/.fonts and /user/share/fonts/truetype directories of my Ubuntu 9.10
workstation

When I point the Konqueror browser to http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/ I
do see the referenced phonetic characters; but the display of these
fonts fails with SM and firefox.


Not sure what the issue might be, but the page displays fine for me in
2.0.1, 2.0.2pre, Firefox 3.5.6, Evince (Gnome Web Browser) 2.28.0, and
Kompozer 0.8a4 without installing any added fonts. All using Ubuntu
9.10. Interestingly enough, the page displays this with Opera Version/10.10:

Opslag i Jysk Ordbog forudsætter,
at du har adgang til Netscape version 4
eller Microsoft Explorer version 4 eller 5.
Har du ikke en af disse to browsertyper,
kan du downloade den ved klik på én af nedenstående:


I observed that too. The Danish text says that looking up in the 
dictionary requires Netscape or IE browser types. Older versions of 
Opera let you configure the browser to identify itself itself as Mozilla 
or IE. I suppose that is still possible, but I don't know how to do it 
for the most recent version.




Samples from the working SeaMonkey's etc:

ß  (blødt b, spansk b; udtales som en mellemting mellem b  og w ;
jf. K 4.3 med kommentar)

ch (udtales som tysk ´ch (fx Bach, ich ; jf. K 4.2 med kommentar)

Û (blødt d; udtales som ´d i rigsmålets blad ; jf. K 4.0 og K 4.1 med
kommentarer)


Perhaps I'm missing something; can you post a link to a screenshot
pointing out what you are missing... or I am missing?


The difference is which glyphs you're seeing. I've uploaded 2 screen 
shots of http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/


Google Chrome: 
http://www.icking-music-archive.org/cmo/musik/outgoing/Screenshot-Jysk-Ordbog-Google-Chrome.png


SM 2.0.1: 
http://www.icking-music-archive.org/cmo/musik/outgoing/Screenshot-Jysk-Ordbog-SeaMonkey.png


Please notice the difference between the initial glyph as displayed in 
the line saying



ß  (blødt b, spansk b; udtales som en mellemting mellem b  og w ; jf. K 4.3 
med kommentar)


SM displays the German double s (ß) in stead of a specially designed 
italics 'b'

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-04 Thread NoOp 
On 01/04/2010 12:56 AM, Christian Mondrup wrote:

 The difference is which glyphs you're seeing. I've uploaded 2 screen 
 shots of http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
 
 Google Chrome: 
 http://www.icking-music-archive.org/cmo/musik/outgoing/Screenshot-Jysk-Ordbog-Google-Chrome.png
 
 SM 2.0.1: 
 http://www.icking-music-archive.org/cmo/musik/outgoing/Screenshot-Jysk-Ordbog-SeaMonkey.png
 
 Please notice the difference between the initial glyph as displayed in 
 the line saying
 
 ß  (blødt b, spansk b; udtales som en mellemting mellem b  og w ; jf. K 
 4.3 med kommentar)
 
 SM displays the German double s (ß) in stead of a specially designed 
 italics 'b'

Ah. I see now - thanks. As a test I opened Win2Kpro in a virtual
machine, installed the fonts and now both SeaMonkey  Firefox display
properly. I'm now installing in Ubuntu 9.10... I put the fonts in
~/.fonts and then:

$ sudo fc-cache -f -v

SeaMonkey 1.1.18 picks up the font as shown in your google-chrome.png.
Firefox 3.5.6 does not. I'll need to close SeaMonkey 2.0.1 to test 
also will test in 2.0.2pre.



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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-04 Thread NoOp 
On 01/04/2010 12:24 PM, NoOp wrote:
 On 01/04/2010 12:56 AM, Christian Mondrup wrote:
 
 The difference is which glyphs you're seeing. I've uploaded 2 screen 
 shots of http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
 
 Google Chrome: 
 http://www.icking-music-archive.org/cmo/musik/outgoing/Screenshot-Jysk-Ordbog-Google-Chrome.png
 
 SM 2.0.1: 
 http://www.icking-music-archive.org/cmo/musik/outgoing/Screenshot-Jysk-Ordbog-SeaMonkey.png
 
 Please notice the difference between the initial glyph as displayed in 
 the line saying
 
 ß  (blødt b, spansk b; udtales som en mellemting mellem b  og w ; jf. K 
 4.3 med kommentar)
 
 SM displays the German double s (ß) in stead of a specially designed 
 italics 'b'
 
 Ah. I see now - thanks. As a test I opened Win2Kpro in a virtual
 machine, installed the fonts and now both SeaMonkey  Firefox display
 properly. I'm now installing in Ubuntu 9.10... I put the fonts in
 ~/.fonts and then:
 
 $ sudo fc-cache -f -v
 
 SeaMonkey 1.1.18 picks up the font as shown in your google-chrome.png.
 Firefox 3.5.6 does not. I'll need to close SeaMonkey 2.0.1 to test 
 also will test in 2.0.2pre.

Nope. SM 2.0.1 and 2.0.2pre (linux) do not display the font(s). Again,
1.1.18 does, so it is an issue with 2x linux. I'd recommend filing a bug.

# Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100101 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.2pre

for 1.1.18:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090823 NOT
Firefox/3.0 SeaMonkey/1.1.18
and tested also without the 'NOT Firefox/3.0'.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090823
SeaMonkey/1.1.18

so, it's nothing to do with Ubuntu fonts as 1.1.18 does pick up the font.

Just to be sure I was getting the fonts right, I opened a doc in
OpenOffice.org and used the fonts  inserted the 'b' and it also shows
as in your google-chrome.png. If you'd like, I can send you a screenshot
from SeaMonkey 1.1.18 directly to include with your bug report.

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-03 Thread JeffM 
Christian Mondrup wrote:
[...]
(http://www.jyskordbog.dk/hjemmesider/jyskiso.exe).
This file is in fact a zip file containing 3 truetype fonts.
I've stored these fonts in the
 ~/.fonts and /user/share/fonts/truetype directories
of my Ubuntu 9.10 workstation

When I point the Konqueror browser to
http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
I do see the referenced phonetic characters;
but the display of these fonts fails with SM and firefox.

I've done some Google searches
on how to manage fonts for SM under Ubuntu
but didn't find any useful clues.

Did you use a phrase search with wildcards?
http://google.com/search?q=cache:mCZlDhUSjAIJ:cai.au.edu/Training/Content/Google/Google.pdf+synonyms+*-*-space+*-*.*-*.*-sign-in-front-of-it+are.similar+Stemming+minus.sign+*-*-*-*-is-essential+*-meaning-*-*-*-avoid+Numrange+uppercase.or+tilde+*-specific-website+Cached+variants

I got it as my #1 hit
(string slightly refined from my initial try):
http://google.com/search?q=%22+Mozilla-*-use-TrueType-fonts

Clicking the *Cached* link (and tweaking that a bit):
http://google.com/search?q=cache:8fLqmbx04jsJ:billposer.org/Linguistics/Computation/XFonts.html+mozilla-*-use-TrueType-fontsstrip=1
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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-03 Thread Christian Mondrup 

JeffM wrote:

Christian Mondrup wrote:

[...]
(http://www.jyskordbog.dk/hjemmesider/jyskiso.exe).
This file is in fact a zip file containing 3 truetype fonts.
I've stored these fonts in the
~/.fonts and /user/share/fonts/truetype directories
of my Ubuntu 9.10 workstation

When I point the Konqueror browser to
http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/
I do see the referenced phonetic characters;
but the display of these fonts fails with SM and firefox.

I've done some Google searches
on how to manage fonts for SM under Ubuntu
but didn't find any useful clues.


Did you use a phrase search with wildcards?
http://google.com/search?q=cache:mCZlDhUSjAIJ:cai.au.edu/Training/Content/Google/Google.pdf+synonyms+*-*-space+*-*.*-*.*-sign-in-front-of-it+are.similar+Stemming+minus.sign+*-*-*-*-is-essential+*-meaning-*-*-*-avoid+Numrange+uppercase.or+tilde+*-specific-website+Cached+variants

I got it as my #1 hit
(string slightly refined from my initial try):
http://google.com/search?q=%22+Mozilla-*-use-TrueType-fonts

Clicking the *Cached* link (and tweaking that a bit):
http://google.com/search?q=cache:8fLqmbx04jsJ:billposer.org/Linguistics/Computation/XFonts.html+mozilla-*-use-TrueType-fontsstrip=1


Thanks for the tips.

Unfortunately neither works for me.

Ubuntu 9.10 has no X11 configuration file, /etc/X11/XF86Config. There is 
a similar file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf to which I added a Files section 
pointing to /usr/share/fonts/truetype. I also installed and launched 
ttmkfdir and mkfontdir which are not default installed with Ubuntu 9.10. 
I rebooted and pointed MS to http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/ - and 
still didn't see the phonetic characters.


It didn't help either to add a directive

font.directory.truetype.1;/usr/share/fonts/truetype/

to prefs.js using about:prefs.

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Re: SM 2.0.1, Ubuntu fonts

2010-01-03 Thread NoOp 
On 01/03/2010 07:07 AM, Christian Mondrup wrote:
 Since SM 2 I've been unable to use a web site, 
 http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/, properly. The site offers an on-line 
 doctionary on Danish dialects. In order to display phonetic characters 
 it references a set of fonts which can be downloaded from the site 
 (http://www.jyskordbog.dk/hjemmesider/jyskiso.exe). This file is in fact 
 a zip file containing 3 truetype fonts. I've stored these fonts in the 
 ~/.fonts and /user/share/fonts/truetype directories of my Ubuntu 9.10 
 workstation
 
 When I point the Konqueror browser to http://www.jyskordbog.dk/ordbog/ I 
 do see the referenced phonetic characters; but the display of these 
 fonts fails with SM and firefox.
 
 I've done some Google searches on how to manage fonts for SM under 
 Ubuntu but didn't find any useful clues.
 
 Do I miss something on font handling for mozilla browsers?

Not sure what the issue might be, but the page displays fine for me in
2.0.1, 2.0.2pre, Firefox 3.5.6, Evince (Gnome Web Browser) 2.28.0, and
Kompozer 0.8a4 without installing any added fonts. All using Ubuntu
9.10. Interestingly enough, the page displays this with Opera Version/10.10:

Opslag i Jysk Ordbog forudsætter,
at du har adgang til Netscape version 4
eller Microsoft Explorer version 4 eller 5.
Har du ikke en af disse to browsertyper,
kan du downloade den ved klik på én af nedenstående:

Samples from the working SeaMonkey's etc:

ß  (blødt b, spansk b; udtales som en mellemting mellem b  og w ;
jf. K 4.3 med kommentar)

ch (udtales som tysk ´ch (fx Bach, ich ; jf. K 4.2 med kommentar)

Û (blødt d; udtales som ´d i rigsmålets blad ; jf. K 4.0 og K 4.1 med
kommentarer)


Perhaps I'm missing something; can you post a link to a screenshot
pointing out what you are missing... or I am missing?


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