Re: Word of Warning !

[Chris Ilias]

On 2018-09-16 6:18 p.m., DoctorBill wrote:
I have a friend who downloaded the so called FREE  "AVIRA" - an 



As per , I've 
removed DoctorBill's post, because it contains a personal attack.


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Re: [OT] Re: Word of Warning !

[Lee]

On 9/21/18, FredW  wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:32:06 -0400, Chris Ilias  wrote:
>>
>>As per , I've
>>removed FredW's post, because it contains a personal attack.
>
>
> Nowhere in your above link or on your website I could find anything
> specifying what a "personal attack" would be.

Seriously?  You are apparently one of those noobs, blaming others for
stupid mistakes they make without realizing what they are doing.

Still need a specification, or do you have it now?

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Re: Word of Warning !

[GerardJan]

FredW wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:21:34 +0200, Ray_Net
 wrote:


On the AVIRA forum, it's written:
-
download avira from this link: http://www.avira.com/en/avira-free-antivirus
-

Downloading elsewhere is suspicious ...


NOTE:
When you said:
"Your " friend" "MD" is apparently one of those noobs, blaming software
from some/any source for stupid mistakes they make without realizing
what they are doing."

Don't be so  blaming the guy - because the OPS said:
"My friend is a retired..."
So, he is surely older and less specialist than you in computer science.
So you have to excuse it.


I tried to answer you, but the moderator removed my message.
Be assured that the so-called personal attack (whatever that may be) was
NOT directed at you.



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Re: [OT] Re: Word of Warning !

[Chris Ilias]

On 2018-09-18 9:47 a.m., FredW wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:21:34 +0200, Ray_Net
 wrote:

FredW wrote on 18-09-18 00:15:

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:45:24 -0700, Ron Lesan 
wrote:

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:30 AM GerardJan 
wrote:

FredW wrote:

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:18:44 -0700, DoctorBill  wrote:

Thanks for the warning - - - I've downloaded it but haven't scanned my
computer yet. Now will try to delete it before it causes harm.


Why did you download it (whatever IT may be) in the first place when you
now want to delete IT.
What harm could IT do, when you have only downloaded it?

Me thinks you have no idea what you are talking about and believing a
clearly fake story.


[also it is most unclear to whom you are replying.]


On the AVIRA forum, it's written:
-
download avira from this link: http://www.avira.com/en/avira-free-antivirus
-

Downloading elsewhere is suspicious ...


NOTE:
When you said:
"Your " friend" "MD" is apparently one of those noobs, blaming software
from some/any source for stupid mistakes they make without realizing
what they are doing."

Don't be so  blaming the guy - because the OPS said:
"My friend is a retired..."
So, he is surely older and less specialist than you in computer science.
So you have to excuse it.









As per , I've 
removed FredW's post, because it contains a personal attack.


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Re: Word of Warning !

[rjkrjk]

ALWAYS
download software for the SOURCE
check it with antivirus software
be weary of anything you download
have a plan B, just in case !!

it's a US and THEM world !!




Wolfgang Steger wrote on 9/17/18 5:33 AM:

Am 2018-09-17 um 00:18 schrieb DoctorBill:
I have a friend who downloaded the so called FREE  "AVIRA" - an anti-virus program from 
Germany.  Google 'avira' to see it.


He ran it and it said he has a Virus and that he now  HAS TO  buy the anti-virus program 
OR  they (Avira)  will lock up his computer !

THAT is called Extortion !    Germans.
My friend is a retired MD, so I believe him.   He would not lie about that.

Take what I've written here as you will.  I thought I should relate this to everyone on 
the Internet.


DoctorBill


I know Avira for a long time (and did use it also):
I believe he must have got it from a fake source - malware disguising as Avira.

This is not unusual nowadays, so always check your download sources!

Just my 2cc, Wolfgang

P.S: Having said that I also must note that nowadays "Windows Defender"
  delivered with Windows 10 (or the "Security Essentials" for older
  versions of MS Windows) is usually sufficient to protect your
  computer as long as you trust MS somehow. Otherwise consider
  switching away to a user friendly Linux distribution. From a
  trusted source, of course.


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Re: Word of Warning !

[Lee]

On 9/17/18, FredW  wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:45:24 -0700, Ron Lesan 
> wrote:
>>On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:30 AM GerardJan 
>>wrote:
>>> FredW wrote:
>>> > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:18:44 -0700, DoctorBill 
>>> > wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the warning - - - I've downloaded it but haven't scanned my
>>computer yet. Now will try to delete it before it causes harm.
>
>
> Why did you download it (whatever IT may be) in the first place when you
> now want to delete IT.
> What harm could IT do, when you have only downloaded it?

I wouldn't want to leave malware sitting around on my computer; as
long as it's on the disk there's the possibility it'll be run..

> Me thinks you have no idea what you are talking about

Sounds like a good policy to me.  Download whatever, wait a week or
three, submit to virustotal _and only if clean_ then install & run
whatever.

> and believing a clearly fake story.

That the OPs' friend downloaded ransomware from Avira is doubtful..
that they downloaded something that claimed to be from Avira seems
plausible enough.

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Re: Word of Warning !

[Ray_Net]

FredW wrote on 18-09-18 00:15:

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:45:24 -0700, Ron Lesan 
wrote:

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:30 AM GerardJan 
wrote:

FredW wrote:

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:18:44 -0700, DoctorBill  wrote:

Thanks for the warning - - - I've downloaded it but haven't scanned my
computer yet. Now will try to delete it before it causes harm.


Why did you download it (whatever IT may be) in the first place when you
now want to delete IT.
What harm could IT do, when you have only downloaded it?

Me thinks you have no idea what you are talking about and believing a
clearly fake story.


[also it is most unclear to whom you are replying.]


On the AVIRA forum, it's written:
-
download avira from this link: http://www.avira.com/en/avira-free-antivirus
-

Downloading elsewhere is suspicious ...


NOTE:
When you said:
"Your " friend" "MD" is apparently one of those noobs, blaming software
from some/any source for stupid mistakes they make without realizing
what they are doing."

Don't be so  blaming the guy - because the OPS said:
"My friend is a retired..."
So, he is surely older and less specialist than you in computer science. 
So you have to excuse it.


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Re: Word of Warning !

[Ron Lesan]

Thanks for the warning - - - I've downloaded it but haven't scanned my
computer
yet. Now will try to delete it before it causes harm.
Yes it may be fake, but better safe than sorry - - - and to hell with the
naysayers
who bad mouth you, I appreciate the warning.
Thanks again.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:30 AM GerardJan 
wrote:

> FredW wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:18:44 -0700, DoctorBill  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a friend who downloaded the so called FREE  "AVIRA" - an
> >> anti-virus program from Germany.  Google 'avira' to see it.
> >>
> >> He ran it and it said he has a Virus and that he now  HAS TO  buy the
> >> anti-virus program OR  they (Avira)  will lock up his computer !
> >> THAT is called Extortion !Germans.
> >> My friend is a retired MD, so I believe him.   He would not lie about
> that.
> >>
> >> Take what I've written here as you will.  I thought I should relate this
> >> to everyone on the Internet.
> >
> >
> > Please stop spreading FUD.
> >
> > Avira is one of the most reliable antivirus as confirmed year in year
> > out by AV-Comparatives.
> > https://www.avira.com/en/downloads
> > http://www.av-comparatives.org/testmethod/summary-reports/
> >
> >
> > Your " friend"  "MD"  is apparently one of those noobs, blaming software
> > from some/any source for stupid mistakes they make without realizing
> > what they are doing.
> >
> > Again a fine example how one nitwit spreads false rumors because he does
> > not know what he is doing.
> >
> > Sir, you are disgusting blaming Germans in general for stupidity on your
> > side, you are lying and spreading a hoax.
> >
> > Shame on you, excuses for your intolerable behavior are in order.
> >
>
> I do not need an antivirus program, I am running Unix (fedora/redhat)
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Re: Word of Warning !

[GerardJan]

FredW wrote:

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:18:44 -0700, DoctorBill  wrote:


I have a friend who downloaded the so called FREE  "AVIRA" - an
anti-virus program from Germany.  Google 'avira' to see it.

He ran it and it said he has a Virus and that he now  HAS TO  buy the
anti-virus program OR  they (Avira)  will lock up his computer !
THAT is called Extortion !Germans.
My friend is a retired MD, so I believe him.   He would not lie about that.

Take what I've written here as you will.  I thought I should relate this
to everyone on the Internet.



Please stop spreading FUD.

Avira is one of the most reliable antivirus as confirmed year in year
out by AV-Comparatives.
https://www.avira.com/en/downloads
http://www.av-comparatives.org/testmethod/summary-reports/


Your " friend"  "MD"  is apparently one of those noobs, blaming software
from some/any source for stupid mistakes they make without realizing
what they are doing.

Again a fine example how one nitwit spreads false rumors because he does
not know what he is doing.

Sir, you are disgusting blaming Germans in general for stupidity on your
side, you are lying and spreading a hoax.

Shame on you, excuses for your intolerable behavior are in order.



I do not need an antivirus program, I am running Unix (fedora/redhat)

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Re: Word of Warning !

[chicagofan]

Wolfgang Steger wrote:

Am 2018-09-17 um 00:18 schrieb DoctorBill:
I have a friend who downloaded the so called FREE  "AVIRA" - an 
anti-virus program from Germany. Google 'avira' to see it.


He ran it and it said he has a Virus and that he now  HAS TO buy the 
anti-virus program OR  they (Avira)  will lock up his computer !

THAT is called Extortion !Germans.
My friend is a retired MD, so I believe him.   He would not lie about 
that.


Take what I've written here as you will.  I thought I should relate 
this to everyone on the Internet.


DoctorBill


I know Avira for a long time (and did use it also):
I believe he must have got it from a fake source - malware disguising 
as Avira.


This is not unusual nowadays, so always check your download sources!

Just my 2cc, Wolfgang

P.S: Having said that I also must note that nowadays "Windows Defender"
 delivered with Windows 10 (or the "Security Essentials" for older
 versions of MS Windows) is usually sufficient to protect your
 computer as long as you trust MS somehow. Otherwise consider
 switching away to a user friendly Linux distribution. From a
 trusted source, of course.

My experience with Avira has been the same as yours, Wolfgang.  Sadly, I 
think his source was a fake one, although it's been a long time since 
I've used it.

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Re: Word of Warning !

[Wolfgang Steger]

Am 2018-09-17 um 00:18 schrieb DoctorBill:
I have a friend who downloaded the so called FREE  "AVIRA" - an 
anti-virus program from Germany.  Google 'avira' to see it.


He ran it and it said he has a Virus and that he now  HAS TO  buy the 
anti-virus program OR  they (Avira)  will lock up his computer !

THAT is called Extortion !    Germans.
My friend is a retired MD, so I believe him.   He would not lie about that.

Take what I've written here as you will.  I thought I should relate this 
to everyone on the Internet.


DoctorBill


I know Avira for a long time (and did use it also):
I believe he must have got it from a fake source - malware disguising as 
Avira.


This is not unusual nowadays, so always check your download sources!

Just my 2cc, Wolfgang

P.S: Having said that I also must note that nowadays "Windows Defender"
 delivered with Windows 10 (or the "Security Essentials" for older
 versions of MS Windows) is usually sufficient to protect your
 computer as long as you trust MS somehow. Otherwise consider
 switching away to a user friendly Linux distribution. From a
 trusted source, of course.

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