Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-07-01 Thread cyberzen

NoOp a écrit :

On 06/30/2011 01:30 PM, sean nathan bean wrote:

cyberzen sent me the following::

PhillipJones a écrit :

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?




use seamonkey's Mail client ?

pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995)

smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification)

imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993)



'cisely... why torture oneself with webmail interfaces...
sean


Because you still need to check the webmail interface occasionally to
see if a valid email may have been caught up in the Yahoo! spam filters.




not at all, I can check the bulk mail folder (as yahoo says) in IMAP 
yahoo account (SM 2.0.14)



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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-30 Thread Daniel

Cecil Bankston wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 27/06/2011 11:43, Cecil Bankston told the world:


Where in SeaMonkey does one find the advertise Firefox compatibility
option?


Edit/Preferences/Advanced/HTTP Networking.

It's a new option with Seamonkey 2.1. It's enabled by default. I should
note that yours is already enabled, too.


Thanks. I would not have thought to look under that category. I don't
usually use the Message Source view for my own messages, but I see that
it does show Firefox included in the User Agent.


Cecil, another way to check out what your identifing yourself as is to 
go Help-About Seamonkey which gives you a Build Identifier line.


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-30 Thread Daniel

JAS wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail.
I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for
4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number
of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter?

If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them.

keith whaley



if you go to about:config then choose User Agent double-click on the
line that says Seamonkey/2.0.14 and change it to Firefox/4.0 (or 5.0)

Then go to yahoo, and then to email you will be able set up just fine.


I go to my 4 yahoo accounts just fine with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 Lightning/1.0b2 NOT Firefox 4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.0.14 -
Build ID: 20110420224920



Hey, JAS, that identifier mentions Firefox, which is what Phillip 
suggested you do, so no wonder your Yahoo accounts work.


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-30 Thread sean nathan bean

cyberzen sent me the following::

PhillipJones a écrit :

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?




use seamonkey's Mail client ?

pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995)

smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification)

imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993)



'cisely... why torture oneself with webmail interfaces...
sean


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-30 Thread NoOp
On 06/30/2011 01:30 PM, sean nathan bean wrote:
 cyberzen sent me the following::
 PhillipJones a écrit :
 Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
 to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
 set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?



 use seamonkey's Mail client ?

 pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995)

 smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification)

 imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993)

 
 'cisely... why torture oneself with webmail interfaces...
 sean

Because you still need to check the webmail interface occasionally to
see if a valid email may have been caught up in the Yahoo! spam filters.


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-28 Thread Cecil Bankston

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 27/06/2011 11:43, Cecil Bankston told the world:


Where in SeaMonkey does one find the advertise Firefox compatibility
option?


Edit/Preferences/Advanced/HTTP Networking.

It's a new option with Seamonkey 2.1. It's enabled by default. I should
note that yours is already enabled, too.

Thanks.  I would not have thought to look under that category.  I don't 
usually use the Message Source view for my own messages, but I see that 
it does show Firefox included in the User Agent.

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread Ant

On 6/26/2011 12:59 PM PT, Stanimir Stamenkov typed:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


Long term solution is complain to owners of idiotic sites. Point them to
http://geckoisgecko.org/ to help them understand their sites are broken.


In the case of Yahoo, I've already done it number of times (the last
time was at the end of the last year, if I remember correctly) and
received no answer or observed activity on that front.


And most of them don't care. :( Does it work in SM2.1?
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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread Keith Whaley

PhillipJones wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?



I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for
4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number
of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter?

If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them.

keith whaley



if you go to about:config then choose User Agent double-click on the
line that says Seamonkey/2.0.14 and change it to Firefox/4.0 (or 5.0)

Then go to yahoo, and then to email you will be able set up just fine.



Thank you sir! Small item, my Firefox is 3.6.8.
If I replace SeaMonkey with Firefox 3.6.8 instead, will that matter in 
the User Agent line, since I'm lying anyhow?


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread Cecil Bankston

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 26/06/2011 11:37, PhillipJones told the world:

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it.  First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I see your User-agent string reads like this:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14/not FireFox/5

So you are using SM 2.0.14, right? My guess is that the way you set up
the spoofing is not being recognized by Yahoo.

I'm using SM 2.1 with advertise Firefox compatibility on and Yahoo
accepted it. It gives the following user-agent:
Where in SeaMonkey does one find the advertise Firefox compatibility 
option?

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread WLS

Cecil Bankston wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 26/06/2011 11:37, PhillipJones told the world:

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I see your User-agent string reads like this:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14/not FireFox/5

So you are using SM 2.0.14, right? My guess is that the way you set up
the spoofing is not being recognized by Yahoo.

I'm using SM 2.1 with advertise Firefox compatibility on and Yahoo
accepted it. It gives the following user-agent:

Where in SeaMonkey does one find the advertise Firefox compatibility
option?


See my reply to TMitchell in the SM Spoof of IE or Firefox thread.
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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 27/06/2011 11:43, Cecil Bankston told the world:

 Where in SeaMonkey does one find the advertise Firefox compatibility 
 option?

Edit/Preferences/Advanced/HTTP Networking.

It's a new option with Seamonkey 2.1. It's enabled by default. I should
note that yours is already enabled, too.

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread PhillipJones

Keith Whaley wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail.
I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?



I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for
4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number
of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter?

If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them.

keith whaley



if you go to about:config then choose User Agent double-click on the
line that says Seamonkey/2.0.14 and change it to Firefox/4.0 (or 5.0)

Then go to yahoo, and then to email you will be able set up just fine.



Thank you sir! Small item, my Firefox is 3.6.8.
If I replace SeaMonkey with Firefox 3.6.8 instead, will that matter in
the User Agent line, since I'm lying anyhow?

keith

 According to Yahoo FF 3.5 is lower limit.

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-27 Thread Margo Guda



Keith Whaley wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for
4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number
of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter?

If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them.

keith whaley


I have had good experience with the new Yahoo mail by using IEtab, just for 
that site. The advantage of that is that for other sites I use the real user 
agent and I can use Noscript, adblock, and a ton of other add ons.


Margo Guda.
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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread cyberzen

PhillipJones a écrit :

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?




use seamonkey's Mail client ?

pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995)

smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification)

imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993)

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread Rinaldi J. Montessi
PhillipJones wrote:
 Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go 
 to do it.  First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA 
 set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?

Must be a Mac thing. I just updated with UA  Build identifier:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110625 Firefox/7.0a1
SeaMonkey/2.4a1

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread Rick Merrill

PhillipJones wrote:

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


Works for me using SM 2.0.14

user agent spoof: Firefox/3.6

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 26/06/2011 11:37, PhillipJones told the world:
 Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go 
 to do it.  First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA 
 set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?

I see your User-agent string reads like this:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14/not FireFox/5

So you are using SM 2.0.14, right? My guess is that the way you set up
the spoofing is not being recognized by Yahoo.

I'm using SM 2.1 with advertise Firefox compatibility on and Yahoo
accepted it. It gives the following user-agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1

Just for comparison, disabling Firefox compatibility gives this one:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 SeaMonkey/2.1

So I see two possible problems:

1. Your CamelCase naming of FireFox (sic). The official product name
is Firefox. If the script Yahoo is using is case-sensitive, it will
not recognize CamelCase FireFox.

2. Perhaps, just PERHAPS, they don't recognize Firefox 5 yet. I find
this unlikely, since Firefox 5 has already hit the streets.

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/06/26 10:37 (GMT-0400) PhillipJones composed:

 Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go 
 to do it.  First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA 
 set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?

Long term solution is complain to owners of idiotic sites. Point them to
http://geckoisgecko.org/ to help them understand their sites are broken.
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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread PhillipJones

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 26/06/2011 11:37, PhillipJones told the world:

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it.  First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I see your User-agent string reads like this:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14/not FireFox/5

So you are using SM 2.0.14, right? My guess is that the way you set up
the spoofing is not being recognized by Yahoo.

I'm using SM 2.1 with advertise Firefox compatibility on and Yahoo
accepted it. It gives the following user-agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1

Just for comparison, disabling Firefox compatibility gives this one:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 SeaMonkey/2.1

So I see two possible problems:

1. Your CamelCase naming of FireFox (sic). The official product name
is Firefox. If the script Yahoo is using is case-sensitive, it will
not recognize CamelCase FireFox.

2. Perhaps, just PERHAPS, they don't recognize Firefox 5 yet. I find
this unlikely, since Firefox 5 has already hit the streets.




I fixed it by completely removing the word SeaMonkey out of the UA. I 
will simply recognize he Word Seamonkey in the US String. I hope it 
doesn't affect any updates.


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:55:09 -0400, /Felix Miata/:

On 2011/06/26 10:37 (GMT-0400) PhillipJones composed:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it.  First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


Long term solution is complain to owners of idiotic sites. Point them to
http://geckoisgecko.org/ to help them understand their sites are broken.


In the case of Yahoo, I've already done it number of times (the last 
time was at the end of the last year, if I remember correctly) and 
received no answer or observed activity on that front.


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread PhillipJones

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 26/06/2011 11:37, PhillipJones told the world:

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I see your User-agent string reads like this:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 SeaMonkey/2.0.14/not FireFox/5

So you are using SM 2.0.14, right? My guess is that the way you set up
the spoofing is not being recognized by Yahoo.

I'm using SM 2.1 with advertise Firefox compatibility on and Yahoo
accepted it. It gives the following user-agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1

Just for comparison, disabling Firefox compatibility gives this one:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
SeaMonkey/2.1

So I see two possible problems:

1. Your CamelCase naming of FireFox (sic). The official product name
is Firefox. If the script Yahoo is using is case-sensitive, it will
not recognize CamelCase FireFox.

2. Perhaps, just PERHAPS, they don't recognize Firefox 5 yet. I find
this unlikely, since Firefox 5 has already hit the streets.




I fixed it by completely removing the word SeaMonkey out of the UA. I
will simply recognize he Word Seamonkey in the US String. I hope it
doesn't affect any updates.


Let's try again.

I fixed mine by completely removing Seamonkey from the UA String. I hope 
it doesn't affect any updates to SeaMonkey.


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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread Keith Whaley

cyberzen wrote:

PhillipJones a écrit :

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


cyberzen,  it seems your mail sender cuts off the first few words of 
your sentences.
What should have appeared before your partial sentence below, use 
seamonkey's Mail client ?


keith whaley


use seamonkey's Mail client ?

pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995)

smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification)

imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993)



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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

PhillipJones wrote:


MCBastos wrote:


So I see two possible problems:

1. Your CamelCase naming of FireFox (sic). The official product
name is Firefox. If the script Yahoo is using is case-sensitive,
it will not recognize CamelCase FireFox.

2. Perhaps, just PERHAPS, they don't recognize Firefox 5 yet. I
find this unlikely, since Firefox 5 has already hit the streets.


I fixed it by completely removing the word SeaMonkey out of the UA. I
 will simply recognize he Word Seamonkey in the US String. I hope it
 doesn't affect any updates.


Another solution is to find a mail host/ISP that isn't stupid.

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread cyberzen

Le 26/06/2011 22:23, Keith Whaley a écrit :

cyberzen wrote:

PhillipJones a écrit :

Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


cyberzen, it seems your mail sender cuts off the first few words of your
sentences.
What should have appeared before your partial sentence below, use
seamonkey's Mail client ?

keith whaley


use seamonkey's Mail client ?

pop.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 995)

smtp.mail.yahoo.fr (SSL, port 465 avec authentification)

imap.mail.yahoo.com (SSL, port 993)




I mean drop yahoo's web mail
use instead SM mail client

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread PhillipJones

Keith Whaley wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail. I go
to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?


I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for
4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number
of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter?

If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them.

keith whaley



if you go to about:config then choose User Agent double-click on the 
line that says Seamonkey/2.0.14 and change it to Firefox/4.0 (or 5.0)


Then go to yahoo, and then to email you will be able set up just fine.

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Re: Yahoo REfuses to allow the new version of their Yahoo mail on SeaMonkey

2011-06-26 Thread JAS
PhillipJones wrote:
 Keith Whaley wrote:
 PhillipJones wrote:

 Received a message from Yahoo this morning to update my Yahoo Mail.
 I go
 to do it. First thing doesn't accept SeaMonkey at all. So I have the UA
 set to show FireFox 4. still doesn't accept What's with that?

 I received the same mail. It mentioned I had been using Yahoo! mail for
 4 years! I use GMail, not Yahoo Mail. Does the fact that I get a number
 of special interest list messages by way of Yahoo matter?

 If they ignore SeaMonkey, I'll return the favor and ignore them.

 keith whaley


 if you go to about:config then choose User Agent double-click on the
 line that says Seamonkey/2.0.14 and change it to Firefox/4.0 (or 5.0)

 Then go to yahoo, and then to email you will be able set up just fine.

I go to my 4 yahoo accounts just fine with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19)
Gecko/20110420 Lightning/1.0b2 NOT Firefox 4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.0.14 -
Build ID: 20110420224920

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