Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/23/2019 03:35 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/23/2019 08:07 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Recently there are also a ton of bugs with website x does not work with SeaMonkey y while Firefox z works fine. I generally gave up commenting in them because I don't have time to check every bad website against SeaMonkey and these are mostly support cases not bugs. And usually it is the website. So would help to do some verification here too. I don't see how the links below guide to bug reports of "website x does not work with SeaMonkey y ...". I've never used a bug reporting system. My problems are typically of the PEBKAC variety ;/ These are all bug reports. There are a log of unconfirmed ones. New or assigned is something either known or in the works. Also, I don't have a recent Windows machine. Does SeaMonkey work well enough with WINE to verify if a site does work? Exploring WINE was already on my ToDo list. I don't know. Probably not because it uses the latest compiler from Microsoft in our case or the latest clang in Bills case. If yiu want to play with other OS look into VMs. Virtualbox is really nice. Do most of my Linux testing there under Windows and also with different Windows versions. CPU needs to support hardware virtualization but 99% do nowadays. FRG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
On 08/23/2019 03:35 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/23/2019 08:07 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: That's a reading assignment that should occupy my time while I wait for 64 bit Debian 10 DVDs. [I've a data cap that discourages using netinst. Should be workable for downloading SeaMonkey source(s) for help system.] I did a very cursory browse of the 2 references. I suspect my initial contribution may be more "how to interact with tools" than with "tweaking user oriented "Help system"". Before retirement I was heavily into "customer support" and "QA/QC" [different industry, but similar problems]. Everyone can also help out with bugzilla. There are lots of unconfirmed bugs Some are obscure and should have never been filed. Some are completely outdated but some might just be real and need verification. Recently there are also a ton of bugs with website x does not work with SeaMonkey y while Firefox z works fine. I generally gave up commenting in them because I don't have time to check every bad website against SeaMonkey and these are mostly support cases not bugs. And usually it is the website. So would help to do some verification here too. I don't see how the links below guide to bug reports of "website x does not work with SeaMonkey y ...". I've never used a bug reporting system. My problems are typically of the PEBKAC variety ;/ Also, I don't have a recent Windows machine. Does SeaMonkey work well enough with WINE to verify if a site does work? Exploring WINE was already on my ToDo list. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&x_axis_field=bug_status&y_axis_field=component&product=SeaMonkey&resolution= https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2018-01-01&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=14863865 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT: Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
Richard Owlett wrote on 24/08/2019 5:49 AM: [I've a data cap that discourages using netinst. On my 3GB/mth account, I can certainly relate so having a sister, who has just had her 100GB/mth account upgraded to 200GB/mth at no extra cost, very local is real handy!! ;-P -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
Frank-Rainer Grahl: >https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions/Simple_Thunderbird_build That one I had discovered yesterday via Ixquick and it was very useful because it mentioned and linked to Mercurial bundles. I was desperate because determining the reason why my builds failed proved nearly impossible and I wished to test with a fresh source. Cloning mozilla-central failed at the stage of getting files. What a blessing that there were the bundles. :) It emerged that indeed the old source was corrupt, caused by "./mach bootstrap --no-system-changes" which was recommended in mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird. Now I could search for the original bustage. With "./mach configure". Success. I have successfully built TB-Trunk and SM-Trunk. SM-2.53 and SM2.57 must wait because Bill's site is down. The real cause is a Bug in Build-Config in TB and SM. Too early to file it, needs more investigation and perhaps a patch. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/23/2019 08:07 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: That's a reading assignment that should occupy my time while I wait for 64 bit Debian 10 DVDs. [I've a data cap that discourages using netinst. Should be workable for downloading SeaMonkey source(s) for help system.] I did a very cursory browse of the 2 references. I suspect my initial contribution may be more "how to interact with tools" than with "tweaking user oriented "Help system"". Before retirement I was heavily into "customer support" and "QA/QC" [different industry, but similar problems]. Everyone can also help out with bugzilla. There are lots of unconfirmed bugs Some are obscure and should have never been filed. Some are completely outdated but some might just be real and need verification. Recently there are also a ton of bugs with website x does not work with SeaMonkey y while Firefox z works fine. I generally gave up commenting in them because I don't have time to check every bad website against SeaMonkey and these are mostly support cases not bugs. And usually it is the website. So would help to do some verification here too. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&x_axis_field=bug_status&y_axis_field=component&product=SeaMonkey&resolution= https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2018-01-01&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=14863865 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
On 08/23/2019 08:07 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/23/2019 07:03 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/22/2019 05:23 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: ... We are working on getting them signed but there we are again with not enough people around. Needed for macOS soon anyway. Is there a description of skills and hardware needed to be useful. I've been a computer _user_ for decades but have very minimal programming background. For compiling x64 Linux Windows or macOS at least 8 GB memory and a fast 4 to 8 core i5 or higher. Mostly javascript, css, xhtml, xul and xbl and only some c++. Skill whatever you think is useful even if it is only enhancing the help files or changing the website. I run only Debian Linux and have not done any programming since days of 8085 assembler and dBaseII. At the moment proofreading Help system for errors/omissions would be a starting point. I've never worked in a volunteer project environment. Doing patches to enhance help won't probably make you rich and famous but I usually recoomend this for starter to become familiar with the whole process. The sources are in mercurial. The requirements for Tb are mostly identical to SeaMonkey: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions/Simple_Thunderbird_build comm-central is broken but for help patches doesn't matter. Can be easily transplated to the working branches. Makes life easier too: https://tortoisehg.bitbucket.io/ That's a reading assignment that should occupy my time while I wait for 64 bit Debian 10 DVDs. [I've a data cap that discourages using netinst. Should be workable for downloading SeaMonkey source(s) for help system.] I did a very cursory browse of the 2 references. I suspect my initial contribution may be more "how to interact with tools" than with "tweaking user oriented "Help system"". Before retirement I was heavily into "customer support" and "QA/QC" [different industry, but similar problems]. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/23/2019 07:03 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/22/2019 05:23 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: ... We are working on getting them signed but there we are again with not enough people around. Needed for macOS soon anyway. Is there a description of skills and hardware needed to be useful. I've been a computer _user_ for decades but have very minimal programming background. For compiling x64 Linux Windows or macOS at least 8 GB memory and a fast 4 to 8 core i5 or higher. Mostly javascript, css, xhtml, xul and xbl and only some c++. Skill whatever you think is useful even if it is only enhancing the help files or changing the website. I run only Debian Linux and have not done any programming since days of 8085 assembler and dBaseII. At the moment proofreading Help system for errors/omissions would be a starting point. I've never worked in a volunteer project environment. Doing patches to enhance help won't probably make you rich and famous but I usually recoomend this for starter to become familiar with the whole process. The sources are in mercurial. The requirements for Tb are mostly identical to SeaMonkey: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions/Simple_Thunderbird_build comm-central is broken but for help patches doesn't matter. Can be easily transplated to the working branches. Makes life easier too: https://tortoisehg.bitbucket.io/ FRG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
On 08/23/2019 07:03 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/22/2019 05:23 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: ... We are working on getting them signed but there we are again with not enough people around. Needed for macOS soon anyway. Is there a description of skills and hardware needed to be useful. I've been a computer _user_ for decades but have very minimal programming background. For compiling x64 Linux Windows or macOS at least 8 GB memory and a fast 4 to 8 core i5 or higher. Mostly javascript, css, xhtml, xul and xbl and only some c++. Skill whatever you think is useful even if it is only enhancing the help files or changing the website. I run only Debian Linux and have not done any programming since days of 8085 assembler and dBaseII. At the moment proofreading Help system for errors/omissions would be a starting point. I've never worked in a volunteer project environment. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
Richard Owlett wrote: On 08/22/2019 05:23 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: ... We are working on getting them signed but there we are again with not enough people around. Needed for macOS soon anyway. Is there a description of skills and hardware needed to be useful. I've been a computer _user_ for decades but have very minimal programming background. For compiling x64 Linux Windows or macOS at least 8 GB memory and a fast 4 to 8 core i5 or higher. Mostly javascript, css, xhtml, xul and xbl and only some c++. Skill whatever you think is useful even if it is only enhancing the help files or changing the website. FRG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]
On 08/22/2019 05:23 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: ... We are working on getting them signed but there we are again with not enough people around. Needed for macOS soon anyway. Is there a description of skills and hardware needed to be useful. I've been a computer _user_ for decades but have very minimal programming background. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
