Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

I am not sure, but I think the Sort option under View only affects the
current display and not the places.sqlite database.



If not, there MUST be some way to sort the database and save it -
short of
performing some unnatural act(s)lol

DB

Drag and drop works.



Please elaborate - I do not understand what I am supposed to do here.
Assume I am an 10 year old and not very smart..

DoctorBill


If you open the bookmarks manager window, you can pick a folder and 
rearrange its contents into any order you choose by dragging and 
dropping the files into place.  Click on an item, keep holding the mouse 
button and drag it to whatever position you want, then let go of the button.



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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 6/8/2017 1:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


No, you selected View | Sort.  That only changes the appearance of the
list in the Bookmarks window at that time.

You should right-click the folder name and then choose "Sort By Name". I
wish there were more sort options, in particular I could use sort by
date created.

Lem Johnson


OMG !  THAT works !

Now - how come NOBODY ELSE knew that ! ?

Amazing !

DoctorBill
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


Lemuel Johnson figured this out !  Thank you, Sir !  Kudos !
Go read his post !

DoctorBill
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

EE wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

I am not sure, but I think the Sort option under View only affects the
current display and not the places.sqlite database.



If not, there MUST be some way to sort the database and save it -
short of
performing some unnatural act(s)lol

DB

Drag and drop works.



Please elaborate - I do not understand what I am supposed to do here.
Assume I am an 10 year old and not very smart..

DoctorBill
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Lemuel Johnson]

On 6/8/2017 1:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


No, you selected View | Sort.  That only changes the appearance of the 
list in the Bookmarks window at that time.


You should right-click the folder name and then choose "Sort By Name". 
I wish there were more sort options, in particular I could use sort by 
date created.


Lem Johnson
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[EE]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click
Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I
missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
the Bookmarks.

What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
can permanently sort the Bookmarks.

Wow !



Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!


Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file !
What subdirectory is it in ?

DB


W7 is a really poor excuse for a search tool.
Install SearchEverything or something similar.

Your sq location will vary depending on your install.
Mine is at:
C:\Users\A\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\m23r9fz6l.default


You can find the profile location by pulling down the Help menu and 
opening "Troubleshooting Information".  Click the button next to 
"Profile Folder".


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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

I am not sure, but I think the Sort option under View only affects the
current display and not the places.sqlite database.



If not, there MUST be some way to sort the database and save it - short of
performing some unnatural act(s)lol

DB

Drag and drop works.

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I had no trouble at all finding it. Win7's search function is
slow if you search your whole computer, including locations it
hasn't indexed, but pretty fast if you search one drive or
folder, especially one that it has indexed.


Personal preference. I search quite a bit on the work computer
but hardly ever on this play machine. Spent about a week
comparing search tools and got rid of W7 search during the second
week on the work comp. Installed S.E. on the others from then on.
W7 indexing is turned off. Too much of a system drag for me.


OK, so what's your alternative?

One of the first things you learn if you take Psych 101 is if you
want to change someone's behavior, offer an alternative. It's not
enough to just say "stop doing that!"


Search Everything is my fav search tool.
https://www.voidtools.com/
It's very fast.


Aha. I mistook "S.E" for "(the) search engine," presumably the Win7 one.

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I had no trouble at all finding it. Win7's search function is slow
if you search your whole computer, including locations it hasn't
indexed, but pretty fast if you search one drive or folder,
especially one that it has indexed.


Personal preference. I search quite a bit on the work computer but
hardly ever on this play machine. Spent about a week comparing search
tools and got rid of W7 search during the second week on the work
comp.  Installed S.E. on the others from then on. W7 indexing is
turned off.  Too much of a system drag for me.


OK, so what's your alternative?

One of the first things you learn if you take Psych 101 is if you want to 
change someone's
behavior, offer an alternative. It's not enough to just say "stop doing that!"


Search Everything is my fav search tool.
https://www.voidtools.com/
It's very fast.

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


DoctorBill wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process
with the SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!


Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file ! What
subdirectory is it in ?


W7 is a really poor excuse for a search tool. Install
SearchEverything or something similar.


I had no trouble at all finding it. Win7's search function is slow if you 
search your
whole computer, including locations it hasn't indexed, but pretty fast if you 
search one
drive or folder, especially one that it has indexed.


Personal preference.
I search quite a bit on the work computer but hardly ever on this play machine.
Spent about a week comparing search tools and got rid of W7 search during
the second week on the work comp.  Installed S.E. on the others from then on.
W7 indexing is turned off.  Too much of a system drag for me.

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Felix Miata]

DoctorBill composed on 2017-06-08 18:47 (UTC-0700):
.
 Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
 SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!
...
> I am not a greatly knowledgeable user - so please explain the Jargon if 
> you try to explain
> to me what kind of file it is.and what to edit it with.
.
places.sqlite is a binary database blob (file) of type sqlite.
http://sqlitebrowser.org/ is home of an app available to do things with it, but
whether you could do any sorting and keep it compatible with SM, or at all, I
have no idea.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


DoctorBill wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process
with the SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!


Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file ! What
subdirectory is it in ?


W7 is a really poor excuse for a search tool. Install
SearchEverything or something similar.


I had no trouble at all finding it. Win7's search function is slow if 
you search your whole computer, including locations it hasn't indexed, 
but pretty fast if you search one drive or folder, especially one that 
it has indexed.


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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click
Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I
missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
the Bookmarks.

What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
can permanently sort the Bookmarks.

Wow !



Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!


Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file !
What subdirectory is it in ?

DB


W7 is a really poor excuse for a search tool.
Install SearchEverything or something similar.

Your sq location will vary depending on your install.
Mine is at:
C:\Users\A\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\m23r9fz6l.default




OK !
I found it.  I know where it is !
Tried to use 'OPENOFFIC'E to open it.no luck.
What type of file is it ?

I am not a greatly knowledgeable user - so please explain the Jargon if 
you try to explain

to me what kind of file it is.and what to edit it with.

Thank you !

DB

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[David E. Ross]

On 6/8/2017 4:17 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>> DoctorBill wrote:
 One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
 So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
 by Name (or)
 A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
 THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
 Bookmarks Toolbar
 and click on the folder I just sorted.
 BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
 saved.

 What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
 step ?

 DoctorBill
>>>
>>> So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
>>> the Bookmarks.
>>>
>>> What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
>>> can permanently sort the Bookmarks.
>>>
>>> Wow !
>>>
>>
>> Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
>> SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!
>>
> Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file !
> What subdirectory is it in ?
> 
> DB
> 

Are you asking about places.sqlite or about SQLite Manager?

-- 
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Consider:
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*  Employers are mandated to have worker's compensation insurance.
*  If you live in a flood zone, flood insurance is mandatory.
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/08/2017 05:03 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click
Sort by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.
 Have I missed a step ?

DoctorBill


So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
the Bookmarks.

What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
can permanently sort the Bookmarks.

Wow !



Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with
the SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!



All may not be lost.
I experience a problem nominally unrelated to "sorting".
It may suggest thought paths "outside the box" that creative souls might 
exploit.


My problem is accumulation of bookmarks over too many years.
They were categorized in ways that made sense *AT THAT TIMES* ;/

Now? "Hodgepodge" implies too much organization.
I've been experimenting with a sequence of :
  1. Export bookmarks in HTML
  2. Massage HTML representation
  3. Import tweaked HTML

The results to date have *NOT*:
  1. persuaded me to give up.
  2. encouraged me to publish anything.

IOW Does anyone have spare 96 hour days for 70 day weeks ?
YMMV 



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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[Paul in Houston, TX]

DoctorBill wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
the Bookmarks.

What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
can permanently sort the Bookmarks.

Wow !



Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!


Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file !
What subdirectory is it in ?

DB


W7 is a really poor excuse for a search tool.
Install SearchEverything or something similar.

Your sq location will vary depending on your install.
Mine is at:
C:\Users\A\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\m23r9fz6l.default


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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
the Bookmarks.

What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
can permanently sort the Bookmarks.

Wow !



Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!


Windows Explorer's Search does not locate that file !
What subdirectory is it in ?

DB

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[David E. Ross]

On 6/8/2017 2:56 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> DoctorBill wrote:
>> One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
>> So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
>> by Name (or)
>> A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
>> THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
>> Bookmarks Toolbar
>> and click on the folder I just sorted.
>> BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
>> saved.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
>> step ?
>>
>> DoctorBill
> 
> So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
> the Bookmarks.
> 
> What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
> can permanently sort the Bookmarks.
> 
> Wow !
> 

Bookmarks are in places.sqlite, a database file you can process with the
SQLite Manager extension.  Lots of luck!!

-- 
David E. Ross


Consider:
*  Most state mandate that drivers have liability insurance.
*  Employers are mandated to have worker's compensation insurance.
*  If you live in a flood zone, flood insurance is mandatory.
*  If your home has a mortgage, fire insurance is mandatory.

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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill


So it appears that in SM 2.46, there IS NO sort LASTING function for
the Bookmarks.

What / Where is the file stored - perhaps WORD or some data processor
can permanently sort the Bookmarks.

Wow !
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[David E. Ross]

On 6/8/2017 1:42 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 6/8/2017 11:56 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>> One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
>>> So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
>>> by Name (or)
>>> A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
>>> THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
>>> Bookmarks Toolbar
>>> and click on the folder I just sorted.
>>> BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
>>> saved.
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
>>> step ?
>>>
>>> DoctorBill
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure, but I think the Sort option under View only affects the
>> current display and not the places.sqlite database.
>>
> 
> If not, there MUST be some way to sort the database and save it - short of
> performing some unnatural act(s)lol
> 
> DB
> 

I find that manually moving bookmarks within a folder works, giving
persistent results.  If there are many bookmarks in that folder, yes it
will be a pain.

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Consider:
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*  Employers are mandated to have worker's compensation insurance.
*  If you live in a flood zone, flood insurance is mandatory.
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/8/2017 11:56 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort
by Name (or)
A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click
Bookmarks Toolbar
and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get
saved.

What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a
step ?

DoctorBill



I am not sure, but I think the Sort option under View only affects the
current display and not the places.sqlite database.



If not, there MUST be some way to sort the database and save it - short of
performing some unnatural act(s)lol

DB
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Re: Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[David E. Ross]

On 6/8/2017 11:56 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
> One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
> So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort 
> by Name (or)
> A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
> THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click 
> Bookmarks Toolbar
> and click on the folder I just sorted.
> BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get 
> saved.
> 
> What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a 
> step ?
> 
> DoctorBill
> 

I am not sure, but I think the Sort option under View only affects the
current display and not the places.sqlite database.

-- 
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Consider:
*  Most state mandate that drivers have liability insurance.
*  Employers are mandated to have worker's compensation insurance.
*  If you live in a flood zone, flood insurance is mandatory.
*  If your home has a mortgage, fire insurance is mandatory.

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Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7

[DoctorBill]

One of my most used bookmark folders needs sorting A>Z.
So I click Ctrl-B, go to that folder, then to Edit | Sort and click Sort 
by Name (or)

A>Z and the list becomes sorted..great !
THEN, I go back to the SeaMonkey main window (desktop?) and click 
Bookmarks Toolbar

and click on the folder I just sorted.
BAM !  Same as before !  The "sort" didn't stay, stick, remain - get 
saved.


What am I doing wrong.  Used to work with earlier SM's.  Have I missed a 
step ?


DoctorBill
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