Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread Philipp van Hüllen

Keith Whaley schrieb:

Note: I DO have a month old copy of SM 1.1.18 on a Time Machine backup.
I suppose that would be acceptable, but having never done it, I don't
know how complicated that might be, getting it to REPLACE the old
version...


From my own experience with Time Machine, restoring the program file 
itself should be very easy. Just go to your Program Folder, start Time 
Machine, select Seamonkey, and restore.
(To play save, you can keep both in which case the current one is 
renamed and the old one restored in its place. To revert, just delete 
the restored one, rename the originally current one back, and done.)


However, if your profile is messed up, this might not help at all.
It's however easy, quick, and should not cause further problems - give 
it a try.
(Installing the same version again by dragging it into the Program 
Folder should have practically the same effect.)


If the profile is messed up, one could try a manual merge of the Time 
Machine backup and the current one. I fear, it'd need very good 
knowledge of SM to merge the profiles so you a) get the UI, 
extensions, etc. working again and b) keep your personal data on the 
latest level.

- Good luck!

BR/Philipp
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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread Robert Kaiser

Keith Whaley schrieb:

I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18
Should I choose to go to 1.1.19


No matter, you are risking your privacy and security every day by using 
any SeaMonkey 1.x version, whichever one that is.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread Rufus

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Keith Whaley schrieb:

I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18
Should I choose to go to 1.1.19


No matter, you are risking your privacy and security every day by using
any SeaMonkey 1.x version, whichever one that is.

Robert Kaiser



Feature-wise, it's about user preference.  I'm already thinking I may 
not upgrade to the 2.1.x series, just from what I'm reading so far...but 
we'll see.


There are things I prefer about SM 1.1.19 myself - particularly the 
Helper App editing interface.


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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread Rufus

Keith Whaley wrote:

I have a Mac, with OS 10.6.7, use SM v. 1.1.18 for communicating and a
little internet visiting.

Up until yesterday, that is.
I fell for an offer to use a pop-up 3rd party Mac cleaner-upperer and it
screwed up my slow but still working SM 1.1.18.
In the process, it 'cleaned up' stuff from my SM folder(s) that were
essential to proper operation.

For instance, If I'm in Mail  Newsgroups, I cannot access Navigator from
menu bar's Window/Navigator.
When pressed, the Navigator button does nothing. It's not hooked up.

However, if I press Apple/Restart, I get a small window that says:
Reference Error: inforssHeadline Display is not defined.
I click on that warning window's Restart and the Mail window appears.

It's obvious some thing critical had been removed/deleted and it
crippled my SM.

I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18, and would like to keep it for a while. I
have SM v. 2.0.13 on tap, and have used it, but...I'd like to stay with
my older version for a while.

Should I choose to go to 1.1.19, is there a way I can UPGRADE my 1.1.18,
instead of downloading the full version and setting it up as tho' it was
totally new to me, which means I'd have to find ways to move a lot of
messages, bookmarks, etc., etc over.

The only choice I see at the moment is to bite the bullet, download the
big version and pretend I've never had a SM to use.

Note: I DO have a month old copy of SM 1.1.18 on a Time Machine backup.
I suppose that would be acceptable, but having never done it, I don't
know how complicated that might be, getting it to REPLACE the old
version...

Should I call the Mac Geek Squad instead?

keith whaley


I'm a Mac user...what I would do is drag your old Profile and Mozilla 
folders out of their current locations and onto your Desktop.  Then 
install SM 1.1.19 and let it do its thing...then go back and 
drag/replace contents of the new default Profile folders with the 
required corresponding ones from your backup - Mail/News, Addresses, etc.


...and never use clean up apps of any kind...I find they all seem to 
do more damage than good.


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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread keith_w

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Keith Whaley schrieb:

I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18
Should I choose to go to 1.1.19


No matter, you are risking your privacy and security every day by using
any SeaMonkey 1.x version, whichever one that is.

Robert Kaiser



Okay, okay. I understand.

I ran into some rough spots with .18 and .19, and got tired of messing 
with it all, so I closed all others and opened SM 2.0.13. That's not 
quite 2 months old. Ought to be okay, right?  :-)


Finally got it set up correctly...almost...and am happy with it. At 
least I'm getting my mails now.


Now I've got to look into transferring old message folders into SM 
2.0.13 Inbox folders. I have a number of them I don't want to lose.


Thanks for your help! And patience. g

keith whaley
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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)

On 5/15/2011 9:39 PM, keith_w wrote:

I ran into some rough spots with .18 and .19, and got tired of messing
with it all, so I closed all others and opened SM 2.0.13. That's not
quite 2 months old. Ought to be okay, right? :-)


Much better, but 2.0.14 is our latest security update, and soon we'll 
have 2.1 out, which will be even better in Security Updates. Expect a a 
Major Update offer to 2.1 in the next month, and once 2.1 is out, we'll 
likely be announcing 2.0.x as End Of Life as well. (Since the Gecko it 
is based on was *just* marked EOL as well)


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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-15 Thread Ed Mullen

Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Keith Whaley schrieb:

I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18
Should I choose to go to 1.1.19


No matter, you are risking your privacy and security every day by using
any SeaMonkey 1.x version, whichever one that is.

Robert Kaiser



Feature-wise, it's about user preference. I'm already thinking I may not
upgrade to the 2.1.x series, just from what I'm reading so far...but
we'll see.

There are things I prefer about SM 1.1.19 myself - particularly the
Helper App editing interface.



Yes, over the years a lot of the progress from version to version 
hasn't been progreess for many of us.  The devs keep taking a lot of 
the good stuff out to prevent ordinary users from hurting themselves. 
As a result, many of us have become hamstrung and unable to easily tweak 
things as we used to be able to do.  Progress.


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Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-14 Thread Keith Whaley

I have a Mac, with OS 10.6.7, use SM v. 1.1.18 for communicating and a
little internet visiting.

Up until yesterday, that is.
I fell for an offer to use a pop-up 3rd party Mac cleaner-upperer and it 
screwed up my slow but still working SM 1.1.18.
In the process, it 'cleaned up' stuff from my SM folder(s) that were 
essential to proper operation.


For instance, If I'm in Mail  Newsgroups, I cannot access Navigator from
menu bar's Window/Navigator.
When pressed, the Navigator button does nothing. It's not hooked up.

However, if I press Apple/Restart, I get a small window that says:
   Reference Error: inforssHeadline Display is not defined.
I click on that warning window's Restart and the Mail window appears.

It's obvious some thing critical had been removed/deleted and it crippled my SM.

I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18, and would like to keep it for a while. I have SM 
v. 2.0.13 on tap, and have used it, but...I'd like to stay with my older 
version for a while.


Should I choose to go to 1.1.19, is there a way I can UPGRADE my 1.1.18, 
instead of downloading the full version and setting it up as tho' it was 
totally new to me, which means I'd have to find ways to move a lot of 
messages, bookmarks, etc., etc over.


The only choice I see at the moment is to bite the bullet, download the big 
  version and pretend I've never had a SM to use.


Note: I DO have a month old copy of SM 1.1.18 on a Time Machine backup.
I suppose that would be acceptable, but having never done it, I don't know 
how complicated that might be, getting it to REPLACE the old version...


Should I call the Mac Geek Squad instead?

keith whaley
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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

2011-05-14 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2011 18:35, Keith Whaley told the world:
 I have a Mac, with OS 10.6.7, use SM v. 1.1.18 for communicating and a
 little internet visiting.
 
 Up until yesterday, that is.
 I fell for an offer to use a pop-up 3rd party Mac cleaner-upperer and it 
 screwed up my slow but still working SM 1.1.18.
 In the process, it 'cleaned up' stuff from my SM folder(s) that were 
 essential to proper operation.
 
 For instance, If I'm in Mail  Newsgroups, I cannot access Navigator from
 menu bar's Window/Navigator.
 When pressed, the Navigator button does nothing. It's not hooked up.
 
 However, if I press Apple/Restart, I get a small window that says:
 Reference Error: inforssHeadline Display is not defined.
 I click on that warning window's Restart and the Mail window appears.
 
 It's obvious some thing critical had been removed/deleted and it crippled my 
 SM.
 
 I happen to LIKE SM 1.1.18, and would like to keep it for a while. I have SM 
 v. 2.0.13 on tap, and have used it, but...I'd like to stay with my older 
 version for a while.
 
 Should I choose to go to 1.1.19, is there a way I can UPGRADE my 1.1.18, 
 instead of downloading the full version and setting it up as tho' it was 
 totally new to me, which means I'd have to find ways to move a lot of 
 messages, bookmarks, etc., etc over.
 
 The only choice I see at the moment is to bite the bullet, download the big 
version and pretend I've never had a SM to use.
 
 Note: I DO have a month old copy of SM 1.1.18 on a Time Machine backup.
 I suppose that would be acceptable, but having never done it, I don't know 
 how complicated that might be, getting it to REPLACE the old version...
 
 Should I call the Mac Geek Squad instead?

I have no experience with Seamonkey on Macs, but:

In my experience, and from everything I know about how every Mozilla
product dating back to Netscape 1.0 works, reinstalling the product over
the existing copy should *not* change your settings in any way, nor it
should affect your profiles (so your saved mails should still be
available and such).

So, all you have to do is install 1.1.18 (or 1.1.19) normally. It should
upgrade your existing copy of Seamonkey with fresh files and,
theoretically (if missing files are actually the problem) solve your
problem.

If you want to be safe, backup your profile first.

Also, regarding that Time Machine backup... if you don't know what you
are doing, there's some risk of overwriting your profile files with an
older version. You really don't want to have your mail folders replaced
with a month-old version -- you would lose all messages you received
since then. Time machine is a great tool, but you have to know what you
are restoring. Restoring program files is usually OK, restoring user
files should be done with extreme caution.

And... think seriously about moving to Seamonkey 2.x. The 1.x branch has
a number of known issues, including security issues, which are NOT going
to be fixed. It's a dead branch. In a few days, with the official launch
of SM 2.1, it will be *two* branches old.

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