Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[David E. Ross]

On 6/24/13 5:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> WaltS wrote:
> 
>> On 06/24/2013 07:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>> I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot
>>> webmasters, and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to
>>> speak.
>>>
>>> But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use
>>> Thunderbird, which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I
>>> know) to which versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted
>>> somewhere?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Whatever version of SeaMonkey is based on Gecko 17.0 roughly
>> corresponds with Thunderbird. That looks like it would be SeaMonkey
>> 2.14.
>>
>> This might help.
>>
>> 
> 
> It does, somewhat, and so does this:
> 
> It's especially clear about future versions (e.g., SM 2.19 is based on 
> Gecko 22), not so much about past versions.
> 
> But I don't see which version of SM is based on Gecko 17, and even if I 
> did, which version of TB would that be?
> 

Try .

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Ed Mullen]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/26/13 9:25 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters,
and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird,
which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which
versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?

Thanks.


Paul, it always seems to me that SM and FF are out of sink by one, i.e.
you might expect SM 2.15 to be equivalent of FF (2 + 15) 17, but in fact
SM 2.15 is equivalent to FF (2 + 15 + *1* ) 18. SM 2.19 is equivalent to
FF (2 + 19 + *1* ) 22.

Don't know why, just is!!

Prior to TB going extended release or whatever it's called, FF nn
related to TB nn.


So how about embedding somewhere in each SM release the version of FF/TB
that it supposedly mimics, (is equivalent to).
This could even be placed in the release notes, along with some other
descriptions of the code base levels on which this given SM release is
based.



The user agent (UA) string for each Mozilla application indicates the
Gecko version.  The Gecko version is the number following "rv:".

For SeaMonkey, the UA string is displayed by going to the menu bar and
selecting either [Help > About SeaMonkey] or [Help > Troubleshooting
Information].  For Thunderbird, the UA string is displayed by going to
the menu bar and selecting [Help > Troubleshooting Information].  Not
having Firefox installed, I assume that its UA string is displayed the
same way as for Thunderbird.


The UA is not displayed with Help - About Firefox.  It is displayed with 
Help - Troubleshooting




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Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters, 
and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.


But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird, 
which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which 
versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?


Thanks.

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[WaltS]

On 06/24/2013 08:30 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/24/13 5:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS wrote:


On 06/24/2013 07:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot
webmasters, and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to
speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use
Thunderbird, which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I
know) to which versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted
somewhere?

Thanks.


Whatever version of SeaMonkey is based on Gecko 17.0 roughly
corresponds with Thunderbird. That looks like it would be SeaMonkey
2.14.

This might help.




It does, somewhat, and so does this:

It's especially clear about future versions (e.g., SM 2.19 is based on
Gecko 22), not so much about past versions.

But I don't see which version of SM is based on Gecko 17, and even if I
did, which version of TB would that be?



Try .




Nice table, but it needs updated. We will be at Firefox 22.0 based on 
Gecko 22.0 sometime tomorrow.


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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[David E. Ross]

On 6/26/13 9:25 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters,
>>> and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.
>>>
>>> But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird,
>>> which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which
>>> versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> Paul, it always seems to me that SM and FF are out of sink by one, i.e.
>> you might expect SM 2.15 to be equivalent of FF (2 + 15) 17, but in fact
>> SM 2.15 is equivalent to FF (2 + 15 + *1* ) 18. SM 2.19 is equivalent to
>> FF (2 + 19 + *1* ) 22.
>>
>> Don't know why, just is!!
>>
>> Prior to TB going extended release or whatever it's called, FF nn
>> related to TB nn.
>>
> So how about embedding somewhere in each SM release the version of FF/TB
> that it supposedly mimics, (is equivalent to).
> This could even be placed in the release notes, along with some other
> descriptions of the code base levels on which this given SM release is 
> based.
> 

The user agent (UA) string for each Mozilla application indicates the
Gecko version.  The Gecko version is the number following "rv:".

For SeaMonkey, the UA string is displayed by going to the menu bar and
selecting either [Help > About SeaMonkey] or [Help > Troubleshooting
Information].  For Thunderbird, the UA string is displayed by going to
the menu bar and selecting [Help > Troubleshooting Information].  Not
having Firefox installed, I assume that its UA string is displayed the
same way as for Thunderbird.

Note that the Mozilla developers are trying to deprecate version
numbers.   (the Web page from which Firefox can
be downloaded) does not indicate the current Firefox version number.
 (the Web page from which
Thunderbird can be downloaded) indicates the version number in a dark
green font against a medium green background.  Only SeaMonkey has not
yet yielded to this trend.

The developers tried to eliminate the Gecko version number from the UA
strings, but that failed when too many Web sties would not recognize
Firefox.  I think, however, the effort to eliminate the Gecko version
number is continuing at a slower pace.

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Chris Ilias]

On 2013-06-26 3:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I'm scratching my head over this one. Why eliminate version numbers? I
can understand preferring program version over Gecko version, but I
can't figure out why they'd want to eliminate version numbers entirely.


Because they don't. :)

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2013 21:34, WaltS told the world:

> Thunderbird 17 is based on Gecko 17.
> 
> 2.19 will be based on Gecko 22, so counting back makes SeaMonkey 2.14 
> based on Gecko 17.

I wonder if, in the name of understandability, it wouldn't be a good
idea to jump a few version numbers. For instance, maybe naming the next
version of Seamonkey (after 2.19) to 2.23 instead of 2.20, so it would
match the Gecko version.

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 2013-06-26 3:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I'm scratching my head over this one. Why eliminate version numbers? I
can understand preferring program version over Gecko version, but I
can't figure out why they'd want to eliminate version numbers entirely.


Because they don't. :)


Whew! Thanks.

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, On 26/06/2013 21:08:

David E. Ross wrote:


The user agent (UA) string for each Mozilla application indicates the
Gecko version.  The Gecko version is the number following "rv:".


Aha! I had noticed the "Gecko/20100101" bit but that wasn't helpful. 
This is.



For SeaMonkey, the UA string is displayed by going to the menu bar and
selecting either [Help > About SeaMonkey] or [Help > Troubleshooting
Information].  For Thunderbird, the UA string is displayed by going to
the menu bar and selecting [Help > Troubleshooting Information].  Not
having Firefox installed, I assume that its UA string is displayed the
same way as for Thunderbird.

Note that the Mozilla developers are trying to deprecate version
numbers.   (the Web page from which Firefox can
be downloaded) does not indicate the current Firefox version number.
 (the Web page from which
Thunderbird can be downloaded) indicates the version number in a dark
green font against a medium green background.  Only SeaMonkey has not
yet yielded to this trend.

The developers tried to eliminate the Gecko version number from the UA
strings, but that failed when too many Web sties would not recognize
Firefox.  I think, however, the effort to eliminate the Gecko version
number is continuing at a slower pace.


I'm scratching my head over this one. Why eliminate version numbers? I 
can understand preferring program version over Gecko version, but I 
can't figure out why they'd want to eliminate version numbers entirely.


How can we know if a new version is available, if no version numbers 
exist :-) - so everyone think that he is under the latest :-)

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


The user agent (UA) string for each Mozilla application indicates the
Gecko version.  The Gecko version is the number following "rv:".


Aha! I had noticed the "Gecko/20100101" bit but that wasn't helpful. 
This is.



For SeaMonkey, the UA string is displayed by going to the menu bar and
selecting either [Help > About SeaMonkey] or [Help > Troubleshooting
Information].  For Thunderbird, the UA string is displayed by going to
the menu bar and selecting [Help > Troubleshooting Information].  Not
having Firefox installed, I assume that its UA string is displayed the
same way as for Thunderbird.

Note that the Mozilla developers are trying to deprecate version
numbers.   (the Web page from which Firefox can
be downloaded) does not indicate the current Firefox version number.
 (the Web page from which
Thunderbird can be downloaded) indicates the version number in a dark
green font against a medium green background.  Only SeaMonkey has not
yet yielded to this trend.

The developers tried to eliminate the Gecko version number from the UA
strings, but that failed when too many Web sties would not recognize
Firefox.  I think, however, the effort to eliminate the Gecko version
number is continuing at a slower pace.


I'm scratching my head over this one. Why eliminate version numbers? I 
can understand preferring program version over Gecko version, but I 
can't figure out why they'd want to eliminate version numbers entirely.


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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Geoff Welsh]

Daniel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters,
and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird,
which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which
versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?

Thanks.


Paul, it always seems to me that SM and FF are out of sink by one, i.e.
you might expect SM 2.15 to be equivalent of FF (2 + 15) 17, but in fact
SM 2.15 is equivalent to FF (2 + 15 + *1* ) 18. SM 2.19 is equivalent to
FF (2 + 19 + *1* ) 22.

Don't know why, just is!!

Prior to TB going extended release or whatever it's called, FF nn
related to TB nn.



from that chart posted in another response it appears some numbers were 
fudged along the way on Gecko to match FF.


It all hints of "This one goes to eleven, so it's louder" to me.

Obviously developers need version numbers...but it's a marketing tool 
past that.

GW
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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Daniel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters,
and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird,
which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which
versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?

Thanks.


Paul, it always seems to me that SM and FF are out of sink by one, i.e.
you might expect SM 2.15 to be equivalent of FF (2 + 15) 17, but in fact
SM 2.15 is equivalent to FF (2 + 15 + *1* ) 18. SM 2.19 is equivalent to
FF (2 + 19 + *1* ) 22.

Don't know why, just is!!

Prior to TB going extended release or whatever it's called, FF nn
related to TB nn.


So how about embedding somewhere in each SM release the version of FF/TB
that it supposedly mimics, (is equivalent to).
This could even be placed in the release notes, along with some other
descriptions of the code base levels on which this given SM release is 
based.


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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Daniel]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters,
and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird,
which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which
versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?

Thanks.

Paul, it always seems to me that SM and FF are out of sink by one, i.e. 
you might expect SM 2.15 to be equivalent of FF (2 + 15) 17, but in fact 
SM 2.15 is equivalent to FF (2 + 15 + *1* ) 18. SM 2.19 is equivalent to 
FF (2 + 19 + *1* ) 22.


Don't know why, just is!!

Prior to TB going extended release or whatever it's called, FF nn 
related to TB nn.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130502201647

or

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:21.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130403022815

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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS wrote:


On 06/24/2013 07:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot
webmasters, and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to
speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use
Thunderbird, which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I
know) to which versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted
somewhere?

Thanks.


Whatever version of SeaMonkey is based on Gecko 17.0 roughly
corresponds with Thunderbird. That looks like it would be SeaMonkey
2.14.

This might help.




It does, somewhat, and so does this:

It's especially clear about future versions (e.g., SM 2.19 is based on 
Gecko 22), not so much about past versions.


But I don't see which version of SM is based on Gecko 17, and even if I 
did, which version of TB would that be?


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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[WaltS]

On 06/24/2013 07:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot webmasters,
and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use Thunderbird,
which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I know) to which
versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted somewhere?

Thanks.



Whatever version of SeaMonkey is based on Gecko 17.0 roughly corresponds 
with Thunderbird. That looks like it would be SeaMonkey 2.14.


This might help.


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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[WaltS]

On 06/24/2013 08:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS wrote:


On 06/24/2013 07:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I know we advertise Firefox compatibility to fool the idiot
webmasters, and I can easily see my "Firefox version," so to
speak.

But for purposes of discussion with colleagues who use
Thunderbird, which versions of SeaMonkey correspond (roughly, I
know) to which versions of Thunderbird? Is there a table posted
somewhere?

Thanks.


Whatever version of SeaMonkey is based on Gecko 17.0 roughly
corresponds with Thunderbird. That looks like it would be SeaMonkey
2.14.

This might help.




It does, somewhat, and so does this:

It's especially clear about future versions (e.g., SM 2.19 is based on
Gecko 22), not so much about past versions.

But I don't see which version of SM is based on Gecko 17, and even if I
did, which version of TB would that be?



Thunderbird 17 is based on Gecko 17.

2.19 will be based on Gecko 22, so counting back makes SeaMonkey 2.14 
based on Gecko 17.


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Re: Thunderbird version equivalences?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


On 6/24/13 5:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


It does, somewhat, and so does this:

It's especially clear about future versions (e.g., SM 2.19 is based on
Gecko 22), not so much about past versions.

But I don't see which version of SM is based on Gecko 17, and even if I
did, which version of TB would that be?


Try .


Beautiful, thanks much.

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