Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Daniel]

NFN Smith wrote on 2/05/2019 1:26 AM:

Daniel wrote:

NFN Smith wrote on 30/04/2019 1:49 AM:

Felix Miata wrote:




I do find it amusing that there is a site that will accept Seamonkey,
but only if it's not advertising itself as Firefox compatible.


Thinking along these lines, could it be that the site/s detects the FF52
in the Useragent string and realises that that is an ollddd
version of FF so the site thinks it cannot present its site optimised
for an 'up-to-date' browser, so complains??


I think that's what's happening.  As soon as the script sees Firefox 52, 
it throws up the warning for an unsupported browser and download links 
to current versions of Chrome and Firefox (and others).


Smith


So if the OP were to add a UserAgent override line specifically for that 
site to think the OP is using, say, FF66, his problem might be solved!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[NFN Smith]

Daniel wrote:

NFN Smith wrote on 30/04/2019 1:49 AM:

Felix Miata wrote:




I do find it amusing that there is a site that will accept Seamonkey,
but only if it's not advertising itself as Firefox compatible.


Thinking along these lines, could it be that the site/s detects the FF52
in the Useragent string and realises that that is an ollddd
version of FF so the site thinks it cannot present its site optimised
for an 'up-to-date' browser, so complains??


I think that's what's happening.  As soon as the script sees Firefox 52, 
it throws up the warning for an unsupported browser and download links 
to current versions of Chrome and Firefox (and others).


Smith
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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

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Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Thanks.  What is this "v2.49.4"?  I'm using 2.48 for Windows... when I 
click on "Check on Update" from the Help menu, it tells me I have the 
latest update...


As noted elsewhere in this thread, automatic update checks are broken. 
Go to the SeaMonkey home page and you'll see that 2.49.4 is the latest 
release.





Thanks!  Done and done.  Looks just like Seamonkey .

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Daniel]

NFN Smith wrote on 30/04/2019 1:49 AM:

Felix Miata wrote:

Hmm! NOT advertising 'Firefox' fixed a problem!! That's
different!! ;-)



I've been not advertising Firefox for more years than I can
remember, with the exception of 5 general.useragent.override.*
settings, where Firefox and Windows (instead of Linux) are
advertised, and SeaMonkey is not.


An interesting shift, by historical standards.

For some years, the Seamonkey UA string showed only "Seamonkey",
without reference to Firefox.  The rationale was that people wanted
Seamonkey to show in activity logs, to show developers and admins
that people are using Seamonkey, rather than Firefox.  I believe the
height of this was when GeckoIsGecko was being promoted.  Adding the
Firefox compatibility setting really did make a difference in
lessening the frequency of having to resort to spoofing to get around
sniffing and demands for Firefox only.

I do find it amusing that there is a site that will accept Seamonkey,
but only if it's not advertising itself as Firefox compatible.


Thinking along these lines, could it be that the site/s detects the FF52
in the Useragent string and realises that that is an ollddd
version of FF so the site thinks it cannot present its site optimised
for an 'up-to-date' browser, so complains??

However if it doesn't detect the currect'ish FF/MSIE/Whatever Useragent 
string, it just presents some sort of generic webpage??


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[NFN Smith]

Felix Miata wrote:

Hmm! NOT advertising 'Firefox' fixed a problem!! That's different!! ;-)



I've been not advertising Firefox for more years than I can remember, with the
exception of 5 general.useragent.override.* settings, where Firefox and Windows
(instead of Linux) are advertised, and SeaMonkey is not.


An interesting shift, by historical standards.

For some years, the Seamonkey UA string showed only "Seamonkey", without 
reference to Firefox.  The rationale was that people wanted Seamonkey to 
show in activity logs, to show developers and admins that people are 
using Seamonkey, rather than Firefox.  I believe the height of this was 
when GeckoIsGecko was being promoted.  Adding the Firefox compatibility 
setting really did make a difference in lessening the frequency of 
having to resort to spoofing to get around sniffing and demands for 
Firefox only.


I do find it amusing that there is a site that will accept Seamonkey, 
but only if it's not advertising itself as Firefox compatible.


Beyond working around sites that demand specific browsers, I do find 
spoofing to be useful for sites that are aggressive in sniffing for 
platforms.


In my own work, I have a fairly substantial collection of downloaded 
software that I use for support purposes, and I have some number of Mac 
titles.  There's quite a few sites out there that offer both Windows and 
Mac versions of their work, and if you go to their download links, they 
try to detect your platform, and offer the download that's appropriate 
for the platform (and typically install immediately). For most users, 
that's appropriate, because it ensures that the user doesn't download 
the wrong package, whether the difference between Windows, Mac or Linux, 
or simply differentiating between 32 and 64 bit Windows builds


For where I am, I'm simply downloading to update my own repositories, 
and forcing a specific download based on my browser gets in the way. 
Thus, with on-the-fly spoofing which I do with PrefBar, if I'm working 
from Windows, I can set my UA to show that I'm running a Mac version of 
Firefox, if I need to get a Mac version of the download.


I also make occasional use of spoofing, when I'm tuning my own web site, 
when I'm adjusting the filters I use for rejecting bots with spoofed UA 
strings.  For those filters, I make enough use of regular expressions 
that it's useful to test specific UAs, to make sure the filters are 
behaving the way I want them to.


Smith
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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Felix Miata]

Daniel composed on 2019-04-29 14:27 (UTC+1000):

> Brian Mailman wrote:

>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

>>> Brian Mailman wrote:

 Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my
 Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .

 The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the
 setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify
 itself as Firefox!

 Help?  Thanks in advance.

>>> Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

>>> Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking

>> That did it.

>> Thanks to everyone who had the same/similar suggestion, it's greatly 
>> appreciated!!  You folks are the best!

> Hmm! NOT advertising 'Firefox' fixed a problem!! That's different!! ;-) 

I've been not advertising Firefox for more years than I can remember, with the
exception of 5 general.useragent.override.* settings, where Firefox and Windows
(instead of Linux) are advertised, and SeaMonkey is not.
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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Daniel]

Brian Mailman wrote on 29/04/2019 7:18 AM:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .

The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the
setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify
itself as Firefox!

Help?  Thanks in advance.


Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking


That did it.

Thanks to everyone who had the same/similar suggestion, it's greatly 
appreciated!!  You folks are the best!


B/


Hmm! NOT advertising 'Firefox' fixed a problem!! That's different!! ;-)
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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Brian Mailman wrote:

Ant wrote:

You might have to change your web browser's user agent. Its home page
worked for me with "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" on my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1
PC's SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser. Maybe try changing its user agent?



Thanks.  What is this "v2.49.4"?  I'm using 2.48 for Windows... when I 
click on "Check on Update" from the Help menu, it tells me I have the 
latest update...


As noted elsewhere in this thread, automatic update checks are broken. 
Go to the SeaMonkey home page and you'll see that 2.49.4 is the latest 
release.




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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Brian Mailman]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .

The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the
setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify
itself as Firefox!

Help?  Thanks in advance.


Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking


That did it.

Thanks to everyone who had the same/similar suggestion, it's greatly 
appreciated!!  You folks are the best!


B/
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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice - SOLVED

[Brian Mailman]

Ant wrote:

You might have to change your web browser's user agent. Its home page
worked for me with "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" on my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1
PC's SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser. Maybe try changing its user agent?



Thanks.  What is this "v2.49.4"?  I'm using 2.48 for Windows... when I 
click on "Check on Update" from the Help menu, it tells me I have the 
latest update...


B/

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