Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: They don't want to maintain the car, Oh, but they -ARE- willing to invest large gobs of their time into learning the fine points of anti-whatever apps (which aren't necessary on a properly-crafted OS). they just want to drive it. ...after they've ironed out all the conflicts with their multiple layers of (again, unnecessary) band-aids. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, ...and wrapping the car in bubble-wrap and duct tape and tin foil and insulation and polarizing lenses and ... they can't be bothered. This thread is proof that they are ALREADY being bothered. DoctorBill wrote: EXACTLY ! I have other things to do ! ...like starting this thread about a non-Mozilla topic --something which Gecko users **who don't use M$'s junk** will never encounter. A computer is a TOOL A computer is a reliable device --at least it was before M$ got into the biz. The point is that the hardware can run a *multitude* of software. **Most** of those choices (i.e. those outside the M$ realm) DON'T involve pasted-on anti-whatever apps. Now, a *tool* is someone who whistles in the dark while dealing with a mountain of problems that are caused by a poorly-designed/poorly-supported OS --then defends that junk OS as a superior choice. I have my own hobbies ...and, apparently, one of those is learning how to deal with The M$ Infection of the Week. ...then looking for a new way of insisting that you are using a superior OS. You folks get on here and talk technical jargon and act as if the average person is some sort of useless (useful) idiot who should know better. I think that you have made my case for me ! DoctorBill A good thing to do when first accessing a group is to lurk (just reading) for a while to get accustomed to the terminology. It also helps to develop a thick skin;-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
On 12-01-08 12:53 AM, DoctorBill wrote: JeffM wrote: You folks get on here and talk technical jargon and act as if the average person is some sort of useless (useful) idiot who should know better. I think that you have made my case for me ! Folks, please take this off-topic discussion somewhere else and keep the discussion in here focused on helping people use SeaMonkey, thanks. Mozilla Forum Etiquette: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Daniel wrote: [...]BitDefender[...]anti-virus update[...] I've been reading with great amusement this thread about a toy OS and the hoops its users jump thru. If your b-i-l used Mandriva, he'd not have had this problem! :-) I was thinking along those lines from the beginning. My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS? I'm betting that the answer is None. Analogy: A car can easily be wrecked, but a safe driver can generally avoid that. By the same token, Windows can easily be infected, but a safe user can generally avoid that. The main reasons people use Windows: 1) Inertia -- they've always used it, it's familiar and understandable (mostly); it's the default when they go to the store; 2) Interoperability -- it's so ubiquitous that if you share files, chances are the other person already has the app that generated them and knows how to use it. Similarly, if you need help or feel generous about giving help, chances are your friend is using the same program. Ordinary users don't think nearly as much about security as techies like us, and they're much less willing to invest time and effort to learn the arcana of lesser-known operating systems like Linux or lesser-known mail programs like SeaMonkey. They don't want to maintain the car, they just want to drive it. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, they can't be bothered. They don't want to maintain the car, they just want to drive it. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, they can't be bothered. EXACTLY ! I have other things to do ! A computer is a TOOL...not an end all and be all that I want to have to learn all about just to use... Cars used to be easy to work on - now the Technology is almost Throw away - like FM Radios and MP3 Players. You can't fix it. Hard to find the alternator amongst all that complex stuff under the hood. Gotta pay some Dude big bucks - and he just does parts replacement, too - He hardly understands the damned thing himself. Windows is now so freaking complex and huge as to be absurd. Some technical geek now determines what the public will want. lol You folks get on here and talk technical jargon and act as if the average person is some sort of useless (useful) idiot who should know better. lol I know - I have my own technical area (chemistry) and get impatient when the average person shows lack of ANY knowledge...it's easy to be that way. In any case - thanks for highjacking this thread. It is most interesting to listen to what the technical people think...or NOT. I used to know a lot about Netscape, then Seamonkeyback ten years ago. I didn't keep up with the latest add-ons, extensions, plugins, etc etc etc.now I don't remember much and have to ask you guys each time I want to change versions (which are never ending and contantly changing forms and function). I just want my cake and to eat it, too. I have my own hobbies and problems with family and job and life in general. I don't want to learn whole new programs and systems just to get onto Hobby Forums and send E-Mail. Have I now offended just about everyone out there ! DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: They don't want to maintain the car, Oh, but they -ARE- willing to invest large gobs of their time into learning the fine points of anti-whatever apps (which aren't necessary on a properly-crafted OS). they just want to drive it. ...after they've ironed out all the conflicts with their multiple layers of (again, unnecessary) band-aids. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, ...and wrapping the car in bubble-wrap and duct tape and tin foil and insulation and polarizing lenses and ... they can't be bothered. This thread is proof that they are ALREADY being bothered. DoctorBill wrote: EXACTLY ! I have other things to do ! ...like starting this thread about a non-Mozilla topic --something which Gecko users **who don't use M$'s junk** will never encounter. A computer is a TOOL A computer is a reliable device --at least it was before M$ got into the biz. The point is that the hardware can run a *multitude* of software. **Most** of those choices (i.e. those outside the M$ realm) DON'T involve pasted-on anti-whatever apps. Now, a *tool* is someone who whistles in the dark while dealing with a mountain of problems that are caused by a poorly-designed/poorly-supported OS --then defends that junk OS as a superior choice. I have my own hobbies ...and, apparently, one of those is learning how to deal with The M$ Infection of the Week. ...then looking for a new way of insisting that you are using a superior OS. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
[Off-topic] FOSS advocacy by perpetuating FUD (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Does your inferiority complex pervade your whole life, Paul, or is it restricted to your choice of operating system ? Philip Taylor JeffM wrote: yet another childish and pointless diatribe about the supposedevils of Microsoft and Windows ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: They don't want to maintain the car, Oh, but they -ARE- willing to invest large gobs of their time into learning the fine points of anti-whatever apps (which aren't necessary on a properly-crafted OS). Really? Show me one, just one, non-geek/nerd who does that. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, ...and wrapping the car in bubble-wrap and duct tape and tin foil and insulation and polarizing lenses and ... Really? Show me one, just one, non-geek/nerd who does that. they can't be bothered. This thread is proof that they are ALREADY being bothered. They're bothered if they can't just turn the key and drive. DoctorBill wrote: I have my own hobbies ...and, apparently, one of those is learning how to deal with The M$ Infection of the Week. ...then looking for a new way of insisting that you are using a superior OS. Did you actually read the thread, or are you making your own up out of whole cloth? I don't see any of those fantastic statements upthread. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: They don't want to maintain the car, Oh, but they -ARE- willing to invest large gobs of their time into learning the fine points of anti-whatever apps (which aren't necessary on a properly-crafted OS). they just want to drive it. ...after they've ironed out all the conflicts with their multiple layers of (again, unnecessary) band-aids. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, ...and wrapping the car in bubble-wrap and duct tape and tin foil and insulation and polarizing lenses and ... they can't be bothered. This thread is proof that they are ALREADY being bothered. DoctorBill wrote: EXACTLY ! I have other things to do ! ...like starting this thread about a non-Mozilla topic --something which Gecko users **who don't use M$'s junk** will never encounter. A computer is a TOOL A computer is a reliable device --at least it was before M$ got into the biz. The point is that the hardware can run a *multitude* of software. **Most** of those choices (i.e. those outside the M$ realm) DON'T involve pasted-on anti-whatever apps. Now, a *tool* is someone who whistles in the dark while dealing with a mountain of problems that are caused by a poorly-designed/poorly-supported OS --then defends that junk OS as a superior choice. I have my own hobbies ...and, apparently, one of those is learning how to deal with The M$ Infection of the Week. ...then looking for a new way of insisting that you are using a superior OS. You folks get on here and talk technical jargon and act as if the average person is some sort of useless (useful) idiot who should know better. I think that you have made my case for me ! DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: I'm not trying to prove you wrong with this post, but for an average user that is not really able to do himself the housekeeping in the OS (besides applying updates), I'd say you will find / have found more fundamental changes switching from Windows XP to Windows 7 than you would have got switching from Windows XP to Mandriva Linux (or many other Linux distros, for that matter). The times when using Linux implied typing obscure commands (*) to get the system up and running are now a past thing. Let me start by agreeing with you, at least in part : moving from XP to Windows 7 /is/ a nightmare, and I speak as an IT professional with over 25 years experience. And the removal/lack of an up button, and a copyable path, in Windows 7 Explorer are stupidities beyond belief. But with Windows (XP, 7, whatever), the expectation is that the user will /use/ the system, and that is the end of it; with the *X family, on the other hand, the expectation is that the user will also /create/ the system, at least in part, because all of the different flavours of *X mean that many, if not most, add-ons are supplied in source form because there is no one binary that would/could ever run on all *X. And there are very few Windows users who would willing accept that before they can use something, theg must first compile it. And there is, as you correctly say, the arcane command language, consisting in the main of obscure non-mnemonic strings of primarily consonants, in which when a vowel /does/ occur (as in, say, cat or grep) the resulting word still requires a deep knowledge of geek-speak in order to make any sense whatsoever. *X may have its strengths, and the number of apparently intelligent people who choose to use it and to proselytise for it is a good indication of this, but it also has its weaknesses, and for me, and for the vast majority of the home IT world, those weaknesses far outweigh its strengths. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Philip TAYLOR wrote: ... And there are very few Windows users who would willing accept that before they can use something, theg must first compile it. On that issue, I've been using Linux for about seven years and have never once compiled a single ... anything. I'm not sure why you think that the mainstream Linuxes still require one to do that. There's around 25,000 applications in my Ubuntu repository. Click and install; no compiling of anything. And about the command line? Most average users will never need to use it or see it. As you mention, geeks might. To create my OS, I merely downloaded an .iso file, burned it to CD, and then booted from the CD. Pretty much like one does with a Windows CD or DVD. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: I'm not trying to prove you wrong with this post, but for an average user that is not really able to do himself the housekeeping in the OS (besides applying updates), I'd say you will find / have found more fundamental changes switching from Windows XP to Windows 7 than you would have got switching from Windows XP to Mandriva Linux (or many other Linux distros, for that matter). The times when using Linux implied typing obscure commands (*) to get the system up and running are now a past thing. Let me start by agreeing with you, at least in part : moving from XP to Windows 7 /is/ a nightmare, and I speak as an IT professional with over 25 years experience. And the removal/lack of an up button, and a copyable path, in Windows 7 Explorer are stupidities beyond belief. ... That was my initial reaction, too. But it turns out you can click any folder name in the displayed hierarchy and go directly there, so there's no need for an up button. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
That was my initial reaction, too. But it turns out you can click
any folder name in the displayed hierarchy and go directly there,
so there's no need for an up button.
I agree : there is no /need/ for up button, in just
same way that there is no need for more than one
programming language, so long as that language is
Turing-complete. But for most of us, we each have
a preferred language, which will almost certainly
vary with the task in hand), and few of us (if any)
would be happy if there /were/ just one Turing-complete
language that we had to use for everything.
In just the same way, those of us who have used Windows
since its inception (I personally go back to Windows 2,
but there was really nothing worthwhile before XP)
have grown accustomed to both an up button and
to an address bar with copyable text. To arbitrarily
remove them, and to provide instead breadcrumbs,
just verges on insanity. No, correction : it doesn't
/verge/ on insanity, it is certifiable insanity, and
those responsible should be sectioned and kept away
from society until they can demonstrate that they
have seen the error of their ways ...
Ed Mullen wrote :
right-click in the address bar
Copy address, or,
Copy address as text
Thank you, thank you, thank you : I knew of
shift-right-click on a filename + copy as path,
but that gives a path than ends with a filename;
why I need in 98,5% of cases is just the path,
so your right-click in the address bar + copy
address {as text} has probably saved me years
of heartache.
** Phil.
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Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [...]I've been using Linux for about seven years and have never once compiled a single ... anything. ...though that does remain an option which is available with FOSS --unlike the all-closed-source segment which makes up the majority of the M$ ecosystem. ...despite the fact that even that is a rare occurrence these days: http://google.com/search?q=alien+Linux [...]There's around 25,000 applications in my Ubuntu repository. ...and you wouldn't have to look very hard to find someone whose number is ~34,000. It's difficult to keep track of the current total with the number of available FOSS apps growing daily. The old M$-spread mythology about there being no Linux apps was the impetus of my initial statement/question. [...] To create my OS, I merely downloaded an .iso file, burned it to CD, and then booted from the CD. I say boot *to*, but yeah. ...and don't forget the MD5 check in there. Pretty much like one does with a Windows CD or DVD. ...except that what you get is a complete graphical desktop whence the entire OS and its full complement of apps can be **run** FROM THE REMOVABLE MEDIA (aka a test drive **without** installing anything) which is something you will NEVER be able to do with a M$ disk. You definitely don't have to run around looking for device driver disks --it's all on the one disk you burn. You can always tell the folks who have never actually tried this, as they are the ones who continue to parrot M$'s purposeful lies. With GPartEd (the GNOME Partition Editor) being a standard part of pretty much every Linux distro, that alone would be a good reason for everyone to make the effort to get a bootable Linux CD; it's a gratis and libre equivalent of Partition Magic. ...then there's the can-save-your-bacon factor of a Linux CD for copying stuff off your HDD when Windoze implodes --without altering the contents of your HDD. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: JeffM wrote: My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS? There *are* games which wine is unable to cope with. :) ...which echoes my use of the term toy OS. 8-) Don't serious gamers run a dedicated console these days? ...one that doesn't use any of M$'s inferior technology? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Daniel wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Daniel wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? It seems to my limited knowledge that allowing a secondary server to control what comes in to me is allowing the greater possibility of Trojans and Viruses to get into my system. Am I correct ? DoctorBill Why didn't Doctor Bill ask this yesterday??? Yesterday, I was at my sister's/Brother-in-law's place, and the B-in-L mentioned that he was using BitDefender AV (I think), and was getting a clean bill of health, but was also getting warnings from Win 7 Security 2012 that he had 27 infections. Today, I was back there (to use 4GB of their Cable download to D/L Mandriva Linux 2011) and, as I arrived, B-in-L was just about to ring me because Win 7 Security 2012 now said he had 31 infections *and* had barred Internet access, even for MSIE, and disabled BitDefender. So, this afternoon, we've brought a licence for Win 7 Security 2012, scanned the desktop (and in process of D/L'ing my new O/S by FTP) Have we set up his computer to be hacked, or worse?? And in the process handed over his credit card details to be ripped off?? (At the time, I did mention about giving away his CC details, and maybe having to cancel card and getting new card issued!!) Go to: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/1325534119 to get help. Follow what some of the responders tell you to do. http://www.annoyances.org has separate areas for ALL the various Windows. Go to the Home Page and pick Windows 7 I hope this helps your sister's/Brother-in-law ! He is in DEEP, DEEP S**T.. DoctorBill Thanks to Doctor Bill and Beauregard for confirming my suspicions! I've just rung B-in-L to tell him to cancel card and said I'd be over shortly to try and fix situation! Card cancelled. Started BitDefender via the Start button, ran complete virus check, got rid of three problems, downloaded new anti-virus update, complete re-scan, got rid of one more problem file. (Burnt my Mandriva update to DVD, so I have something to do over the next while!!) Also updated the BitDefender files on their two laptops, and scanned them clean as well. An effective days work..and You Live, You Learn, hopefully!! -- Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, and may 2012 be better than 2011. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: [snippage] Thanks to Doctor Bill and Beauregard for confirming my suspicions! I've just rung B-in-L to tell him to cancel card and said I'd be over shortly to try and fix situation! Card cancelled. Started BitDefender via the Start button, ran complete virus check, got rid of three problems, downloaded new anti-virus update, complete re-scan, got rid of one more problem file. (Burnt my Mandriva update to DVD, so I have something to do over the next while!!) If your b-i-l used Mandriva, he'd not have had this problem! :-) Also updated the BitDefender files on their two laptops, and scanned them clean as well. An effective days work..and You Live, You Learn, hopefully!! I'm not sure but has anyone told you to use the highly recommended MalwareBytes Anti-Malware yet? As the problem is not a virus, but a trojan, best to use a tool more specifically geared to the problem. Get the free version, install, update, scan: http://www.malwarebytes.org/ -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JeffM: My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS? There *are* games which wine is unable to cope with. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
[Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
JeffM wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Daniel wrote: [...]BitDefender[...]anti-virus update[...] I've been reading with great amusement this thread about a toy OS and the hoops its users jump thru. If your b-i-l used Mandriva, he'd not have had this problem! :-) I was thinking along those lines from the beginning. My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS? I'm betting that the answer is None. The tasks we perform are no different to those that you perform -- the real difference is that we prefer an operating system intended for use by real human beings rather than one intended for, and suitable for use only by, nerds and geeks. It's as simple as that. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JeffM wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Daniel wrote: [...]BitDefender[...]anti-virus update[...] I've been reading with great amusement this thread about a toy OS and the hoops its users jump thru. If your b-i-l used Mandriva, he'd not have had this problem! :-) I was thinking along those lines from the beginning. My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS? I'm betting that the answer is None. Analogy: A car can easily be wrecked, but a safe driver can generally avoid that. By the same token, Windows can easily be infected, but a safe user can generally avoid that. The main reasons people use Windows: 1) Inertia -- they've always used it, it's familiar and understandable (mostly); it's the default when they go to the store; 2) Interoperability -- it's so ubiquitous that if you share files, chances are the other person already has the app that generated them and knows how to use it. Similarly, if you need help or feel generous about giving help, chances are your friend is using the same program. Ordinary users don't think nearly as much about security as techies like us, and they're much less willing to invest time and effort to learn the arcana of lesser-known operating systems like Linux or lesser-known mail programs like SeaMonkey. They don't want to maintain the car, they just want to drive it. Beyond filling the tank and cleaning the windshield, they can't be bothered. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: XP Security 2012 that got into my system. I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? It seems to my limited knowledge that allowing a secondary server to control what comes in to me is allowing the greater possibility of Trojans and Viruses to get into my system. Am I correct ? In the context of the malware fake security app XP Security 2012, the proxy server function it introduces (may introduce) is 'evil' and the elimination of that function is part of the removal/disabling of the malware's scheme. In the generic, a proxy server can be used to the advantage of the user and the use of proxies may be promoted for anonymous surfing -- but the user puts a trust in the proxy which may be unwarranted. If you trust a 'bad' proxy, it can be snooping on your privacy instead of anonymizing you. -- Mike Easter ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Daniel wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? It seems to my limited knowledge that allowing a secondary server to control what comes in to me is allowing the greater possibility of Trojans and Viruses to get into my system. Am I correct ? DoctorBill Why didn't Doctor Bill ask this yesterday??? Yesterday, I was at my sister's/Brother-in-law's place, and the B-in-L mentioned that he was using BitDefender AV (I think), and was getting a clean bill of health, but was also getting warnings from Win 7 Security 2012 that he had 27 infections. Today, I was back there (to use 4GB of their Cable download to D/L Mandriva Linux 2011) and, as I arrived, B-in-L was just about to ring me because Win 7 Security 2012 now said he had 31 infections *and* had barred Internet access, even for MSIE, and disabled BitDefender. So, this afternoon, we've brought a licence for Win 7 Security 2012, scanned the desktop (and in process of D/L'ing my new O/S by FTP) Have we set up his computer to be hacked, or worse?? And in the process handed over his credit card details to be ripped off?? (At the time, I did mention about giving away his CC details, and maybe having to cancel card and getting new card issued!!) Go to: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/1325534119 to get help. Follow what some of the responders tell you to do. http://www.annoyances.org has separate areas for ALL the various Windows. Go to the Home Page and pick Windows 7 I hope this helps your sister's/Brother-in-law ! He is in DEEP, DEEP S**T.. DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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DoctorBill wrote: Daniel wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? It seems to my limited knowledge that allowing a secondary server to control what comes in to me is allowing the greater possibility of Trojans and Viruses to get into my system. Am I correct ? DoctorBill Why didn't Doctor Bill ask this yesterday??? Yesterday, I was at my sister's/Brother-in-law's place, and the B-in-L mentioned that he was using BitDefender AV (I think), and was getting a clean bill of health, but was also getting warnings from Win 7 Security 2012 that he had 27 infections. Today, I was back there (to use 4GB of their Cable download to D/L Mandriva Linux 2011) and, as I arrived, B-in-L was just about to ring me because Win 7 Security 2012 now said he had 31 infections *and* had barred Internet access, even for MSIE, and disabled BitDefender. So, this afternoon, we've brought a licence for Win 7 Security 2012, scanned the desktop (and in process of D/L'ing my new O/S by FTP) Have we set up his computer to be hacked, or worse?? And in the process handed over his credit card details to be ripped off?? (At the time, I did mention about giving away his CC details, and maybe having to cancel card and getting new card issued!!) Go to: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/1325534119 to get help. Follow what some of the responders tell you to do. http://www.annoyances.org has separate areas for ALL the various Windows. Go to the Home Page and pick Windows 7 I hope this helps your sister's/Brother-in-law ! He is in DEEP, DEEP S**T.. DoctorBill Thanks to Doctor Bill and Beauregard for confirming my suspicions! I've just rung B-in-L to tell him to cancel card and said I'd be over shortly to try and fix situation! -- Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, and may 2012 be better than 2011. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? It seems to my limited knowledge that allowing a secondary server to control what comes in to me is allowing the greater possibility of Trojans and Viruses to get into my system. Am I correct ? DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? It seems to my limited knowledge that allowing a secondary server to control what comes in to me is allowing the greater possibility of Trojans and Viruses to get into my system. Am I correct ? DoctorBill One site I am studying is: http://maddoktor2.com/forums/index.php/topic,37759.0.html the other is: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-xp-internet-security-2012 DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill Doctor Bill, I presume your anti-virus has performed a scan and detected this Virus/Trojan infection. Where, on your computer drive, did it detect the infection? Was it able to remove/disable/disinfect the infection? It may be in a location where the AV has no authority to modify files or content. Michael G -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall. It works like this: *-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your traffic. Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web, and the answers are allowed back in to your PC. *-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page. Your request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page. The proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so. The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going out and coming back in. It's not less secure, it's more secure. But most home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as opposed to proxys. If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had someone set it up for you, you haven't got a proxy. As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the traffic, if you need to. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Rickles wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall. It works like this: *-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your traffic. Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web, and the answers are allowed back in to your PC. *-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page. Your request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page. The proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so. The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going out and coming back in. It's not less secure, it's more secure. But most home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as opposed to proxys. If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had someone set it up for you, you haven't got a proxy. As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the traffic, if you need to. OK - now I AM confused I do not have a firewall set up - unless XP has one from MicroSoft. (?) Never bought one. I use AVG Free as a virus checker. How much money can one spend to buy a Firewall, a virus checker, a Maleware Program, etc, etc, etc ? If I toggle the use of a Proxy on Preferences | Advanced | Proxies, then a Proxy is assigned to me by some unknown 'whatever' - yes? I mean - where or how is this Proxy set up - by some random internet process in some unknown place ? China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan ? All this is complex - but seems totally out of control (at my end) and looks like each of us is at the 'mercy' of some anonymous benefactor 'out there' in the great electronic wilderness called the Internet. Who is running the show, may I ask ? Bewildering ! DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Rickles wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall. It works like this: *-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your traffic. Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web, and the answers are allowed back in to your PC. *-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page. Your request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page. The proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so. The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going out and coming back in. It's not less secure, it's more secure. But most home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as opposed to proxys. If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had someone set it up for you, you haven't got a proxy. As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the traffic, if you need to. OK - now I AM confused I do not have a firewall set up - unless XP has one from MicroSoft. (?) Never bought one. I use AVG Free as a virus checker. How much money can one spend to buy a Firewall, a virus checker, a Maleware Program, etc, etc, etc ? If I toggle the use of a Proxy on Preferences | Advanced | Proxies, then a Proxy is assigned to me by some unknown 'whatever' - yes? I mean - where or how is this Proxy set up - by some random internet process in some unknown place ? China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan ? All this is complex - but seems totally out of control (at my end) and looks like each of us is at the 'mercy' of some anonymous benefactor 'out there' in the great electronic wilderness called the Internet. Who is running the show, may I ask ? Bewildering ! DoctorBill I use Online Armor (free) for my firewall. There are others. I use Avira free antivirus. The only problem with a free antivirus is that it pops up every day wanting you to buy the better one. But I never do. Never had a virus, worm or trojan so far. Fingers crossed. Never had a proxy server either, just a home network which requires a password to log onto. -- Gerald Ross The man who ain't got an enemy is really poor.--Josh Billings ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Rickles wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall. It works like this: *-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your traffic. Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web, and the answers are allowed back in to your PC. *-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page. Your request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page. The proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so. The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going out and coming back in. It's not less secure, it's more secure. But most home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as opposed to proxys. If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had someone set it up for you, you haven't got a proxy. As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the traffic, if you need to. OK - now I AM confused I do not have a firewall set up - unless XP has one from MicroSoft. (?) Never bought one. I use AVG Free as a virus checker. How much money can one spend to buy a Firewall, a virus checker, a Maleware Program, etc, etc, etc ? If I toggle the use of a Proxy on Preferences | Advanced | Proxies, then a Proxy is assigned to me by some unknown 'whatever' - yes? I mean - where or how is this Proxy set up - by some random internet process in some unknown place ? China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan ? All this is complex - but seems totally out of control (at my end) and looks like each of us is at the 'mercy' of some anonymous benefactor 'out there' in the great electronic wilderness called the Internet. Who is running the show, may I ask ? Bewildering ! DoctorBill I assumed you were connecting to the internet through a router device, most likely provided by your Internet Service Provider (ISP). That piece of hardware, that box, normally has at least a firewall function in it to protect you from unwanted internet traffic. A proxy is simply a different box, but more powerful, that does the same thing and more. If you have only a phone line plugged into your PC and you go through a dial-up process to connect, then you're not using a router of any kind, plain firewall or stronger proxy. Either way, it'd be something in your house with you, not in a foreign country. Since it looks like you have neither, then the question of proxy settings inside SM is meaningless. You can't change SM for something that doesn't exist in your home network. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Rickles wrote: I assumed you were connecting to the internet through a router device, most likely provided by your Internet Service Provider (ISP). That piece of hardware, that box, normally has at least a firewall function in it to protect you from unwanted internet traffic. A proxy is simply a different box, but more powerful, that does the same thing and more. If you have only a phone line plugged into your PC and you go through a dial-up process to connect, then you're not using a router of any kind, plain firewall or stronger proxy. Either way, it'd be something in your house with you, not in a foreign country. Since it looks like you have neither, then the question of proxy settings inside SM is meaningless. You can't change SM for something that doesn't exist in your home network. My previous ISP, DirecWay (hughes.net) advised me to set a proxy using 192.168.0.1 on port 87 as a way of improving performance. I could still get through OK without it, though. I could set it in the Internet Options pane of Control Panel, which affected all Internet-enabled programs, or I could set it for individual programs like SeaMonkey. And yes, I had what they called a modem with several jacks in back, which may or may not have fit the definition of a router. As for Windows firewalls, there was one built into WinXP, so if DrBill wanted to, he could enable it. If he bought a third-party firewall, it would make sense to disable the built-in one so they didn't compete. Later editions of Windows all come with firewalls that you can enable/disable. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rickles wrote: I assumed you were connecting to the internet through a router device, most likely provided by your Internet Service Provider (ISP). That piece of hardware, that box, normally has at least a firewall function in it to protect you from unwanted internet traffic. A proxy is simply a different box, but more powerful, that does the same thing and more. If you have only a phone line plugged into your PC and you go through a dial-up process to connect, then you're not using a router of any kind, plain firewall or stronger proxy. Either way, it'd be something in your house with you, not in a foreign country. Since it looks like you have neither, then the question of proxy settings inside SM is meaningless. You can't change SM for something that doesn't exist in your home network. My previous ISP, DirecWay (hughes.net) advised me to set a proxy using 192.168.0.1 on port 87 as a way of improving performance. I could still get through OK without it, though. I could set it in the Internet Options pane of Control Panel, which affected all Internet-enabled programs, or I could set it for individual programs like SeaMonkey. And yes, I had what they called a modem with several jacks in back, which may or may not have fit the definition of a router. As for Windows firewalls, there was one built into WinXP, so if DrBill wanted to, he could enable it. If he bought a third-party firewall, it would make sense to disable the built-in one so they didn't compete. Later editions of Windows all come with firewalls that you can enable/disable. How do I use this Windows XP Firewall ? Where do I access it from ? Is that Proxy from Hughes.net only theirs or a general pubic one ? DoctorBill -- When all is said and done, more will be said than done. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
DoctorBill wrote: Rickles wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Rickles wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.6.1 now. I am in the process of trying to remove an infection of some Gawd Awful Trojan or Virus called XP Security 2012 that got into my system. In looking up methods to remove it, I went to http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp for help. One of the sites I was told to go for help says to disable the use of a PROXY SERVER Click the radio button labeled No proxy. Click OK twice. This will remove the proxy server settings in Firefox. I presume that goes for SeaMonkey also(?) I looked up what a 'proxy server' isis it necessary to use one when on the web in SM 2.6.1 ? Not at all. Depending on my ISP, at various times I've used/not used proxies and SM never cared either way. You can set this for the whole system through Control Panel | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings, but SM also has an override function at Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Proxies where you can accept the system settings or not. It is not whether SeaMonkey cares or not - does using a Proxy open up one's computer to being invaded more easily ? Is using a Proxy like using a servant of the oldest profession on Earth and almost surely getting a Virus ? Who/What is the Proxy ? - Who/Whatever is next in line ? What MASTER does the Proxy answer to ? Is the Proxy loaded with viruses, worms, Trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and malware of every kind ? How do you know ? Who do you call ? Ghostbusters ? lol DoctorBill A proxy is a sort-of beefed-up firewall. It works like this: *-a firewall prevents unaithorised/attacking traffic getting to you by denying/ignoring it, but your web request traffic in/out is still your traffic. Your request traffic goes through the firewall out to the web, and the answers are allowed back in to your PC. *-a proxy is still a firewall as regards attacking traffic, but it impersonates your PC on the internet for your traffic, which means the internet thinks the proxy is the PC asking for the web page. Your request traffic goes to the proxy, the proxy requests the web page. The proxy receives the answer traffic back, checks it over, and then relays back to your PC after deciding that it's safe to do so. The differences are down to how the internet traffic is handled, going out and coming back in. It's not less secure, it's more secure. But most home-based routers with firewalls built-in are just firewalls as opposed to proxys. If you haven't bought one and set it up, or had someone set it up for you, you haven't got a proxy. As previously posted, there is more than one way to configure the traffic, if you need to. OK - now I AM confused I do not have a firewall set up - unless XP has one from MicroSoft. (?) Never bought one. I use AVG Free as a virus checker. How much money can one spend to buy a Firewall, a virus checker, a Maleware Program, etc, etc, etc ? If I toggle the use of a Proxy on Preferences | Advanced | Proxies, then a Proxy is assigned to me by some unknown 'whatever' - yes? I mean - where or how is this Proxy set up - by some random internet process in some unknown place ? China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan ? All this is complex - but seems totally out of control (at my end) and looks like each of us is at the 'mercy' of some anonymous benefactor 'out there' in the great electronic wilderness called the Internet. Who is running the show, may I ask ? Bewildering ! DoctorBill I assumed you were connecting to the internet through a router device, most likely provided by your Internet Service Provider (ISP). That piece of hardware, that box, normally has at least a firewall function in it to protect you from unwanted internet traffic. A proxy is simply a different box, but more powerful, that does the same thing and more. If you have only a phone line plugged into your PC and you go through a dial-up process to connect, then you're not using a router of any kind, plain firewall or stronger proxy. Either way, it'd be something in your house with you, not in a foreign country. Since it looks like you have neither, then the question of proxy settings inside SM is meaningless. You can't change SM for something that doesn't exist in your home network. I subscribe to a Wireless ISP. I have a LAN card (?) and a 12 volt Rcvr/Xmtr box on the side of my house connected with a cable. I don't believe there is anything in the LAN card or in the Xmtr/Rcvr device that connects me to a water tower in my town ! Doesn't XP have an internal Firewall ? I never paid much attention to all this until now - like one doesn't look out for meteors hitting you in the head nor for lightning strikes (normally). DoctorBill I found XP's Firewall thru START | SETTING | Windows Firewall. It was On. I looked in EXCEPTIONS and it has AVG Installer and File Sharing AND something called EASYSHARE ! What is
