Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
»Q« wrote: In news:mailman.669.1257778802.526.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. It doesn't. I don't receive digests, but daily input to my mailing list, and it does the same thing James has a problem with. My convoluted way of using the mailing list is no fun either, but it does not seem to create any changes to how the message is threaded, nor any change to the Subject line. I see no need for this annoyance, but it continues. The usual approach is to create a folder for list posts to be automatically put in, and to create a rule which changes the To header to the list address automatically whenever you reply to a post in that folder. Creating a message filter to put all Support-seamonkey... messages in is the easy part. All that does for me is NOT put those particular incoming messages in my Inbox, but intercepts the incoming and puts SM messages in the SM folder. Yes, that certainly is very convenient, and a great tip, but doesn't address the header mess. Some clients add a reply to list button in addition to the reply to sender button. I don't know if that's easy to do (or even possible) with SeaMonkey. I think the best I could do with SM 1.1.18 is to 'Send a Copy To'. I'm pretty sure that works after you have composed a message. I'm sure it will not 'reply to list'. I can't find a way to accomplish that on my current SM. Thanks for the words. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
In news:mailman.669.1257778802.526.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org, Keith Whaley keit...@dslextreme.com wrote: »Q« wrote: In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. It doesn't. I don't receive digests, but daily input to my mailing list, and it does the same thing James has a problem with. My convoluted way of using the mailing list is no fun either, but it does not seem to create any changes to how the message is threaded, nor any change to the Subject line. I see no need for this annoyance, but it continues. The usual approach is to create a folder for list posts to be automatically put in, and to create a rule which changes the To header to the list address automatically whenever you reply to a post in that folder. Some clients add a reply to list button in addition to the reply to sender button. I don't know if that's easy to do (or even possible) with SeaMonkey. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
»Q« wrote: In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. It doesn't. I don't receive digests, but daily input to my mailing list, and it does the same thing James has a problem with. My convoluted way of using the mailing list is no fun either, but it does not seem to create any changes to how the message is threaded, nor any change to the Subject line. I see no need for this annoyance, but it continues. (You weren't actually creating new threads, but your replies were threaded under the digest posts, which most people don't have copies of.) If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Digests are mostly useful for people who want to keep up with what's going on in a list without actually participating. People who want to subscribe to the digests only but still reply to them should do what you did, changing the Subject, but also mention in the body that they're replying to digests so the regulars don't get bent out of shape. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Keith Whaley wrote: William Morrison wrote: James wrote: James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James I know Reply All worked in the email client going through support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org but you had to remove the originating sender so they don't get double of what you send but don't know if it works the same in newsgroup so I'm sending this through newsgroup. If you get this from the newsgroup and as a direct email James and this threads correctly I would suggest using the Reply All. If not then your guess is as good as mine. It worked just fine that way, William, since you started from within the newsgroup. But since I can answer the support list messages from either the newsgroup OR the mailing list, and if I'm already IN the mailing list, why not answer it from there instead of exiting the mailing list and opening the newsgroup, to answer ONE message, and going back to the list? They both cover the very same words, so why is a mirror necessary? Better said, when one is in the mail list already, and selects 'Reply' why is the header set up to put the last individual poster to any thread in the To slot instead of the CC slot? Or, why send a personal copy to the last person to post to the group at all? What's the point? Put another way, why should I even belong to the newsgroup so long as support-seamon...@lists... exists? I get my messages at both places right now. If I dropped the newsgroup, but kept getting all the support- messages by way of the mail list, I don't NEED the newsgroup to communicate. All this discussion to avoid fixing the situation so that selecting Reply replies to the support group instead of one person (the last poster). Odd. keith whaley What you said is very true but as you can see or maybe can't see is that I am not responding to you thru the NG this time but using the list to do so and that your not going to get a direct mailing of it because I simply clicked on reply all and then deleted your address from the sending address bar. I'm not sure how the list is setup but know from experience with Yahoo Groups that this problem may not be a problem of SeaMonkey's but of Google's where the list, I believe, originates and a simple change in the settings of the reply to preference by the moderator of the list could repair. I'm on over one hundred Groups on Yahoo and each has their settings different so I have to watch when replying to them if clicking reply just sends it to the posting member or back to the Group for distribution to all members. -- Big Bill Massillon, Oh USA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
William Morrison wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: William Morrison wrote: James wrote: James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James I know Reply All worked in the email client going through support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org but you had to remove the originating sender so they don't get double of what you send but don't know if it works the same in newsgroup so I'm sending this through newsgroup. If you get this from the newsgroup and as a direct email James and this threads correctly I would suggest using the Reply All. If not then your guess is as good as mine. It worked just fine that way, William, since you started from within the newsgroup. But since I can answer the support list messages from either the newsgroup OR the mailing list, and if I'm already IN the mailing list, why not answer it from there instead of exiting the mailing list and opening the newsgroup, to answer ONE message, and going back to the list? They both cover the very same words, so why is a mirror necessary? Better said, when one is in the mail list already, and selects 'Reply' why is the header set up to put the last individual poster to any thread in the To slot instead of the CC slot? Or, why send a personal copy to the last person to post to the group at all? What's the point? Put another way, why should I even belong to the newsgroup so long as support-seamon...@lists... exists? I get my messages at both places right now. If I dropped the newsgroup, but kept getting all the support- messages by way of the mail list, I don't NEED the newsgroup to communicate. All this discussion to avoid fixing the situation so that selecting Reply replies to the support group instead of one person (the last poster). Odd. keith whaley What you said is very true but as you can see or maybe can't see is that I am not responding to you thru the NG this time but using the list to do so and that your not going to get a direct mailing of it because I simply clicked on reply all and then deleted your address from the sending address bar. I'm not sure how the list is setup but know from experience with Yahoo Groups that this problem may not be a problem of SeaMonkey's but of Google's where the list, I believe, originates and a simple change in the settings of the reply to preference by the moderator of the list could repair. That's possible. I guess that first the oddity of the action of having a mail-list as well as a newsgroup mirroring each other's messages must be resolved. IOW, what does the newsgroup do that the email list couldn't, or doesn't already? Does eliminating one or the other harm the participants of either? How? I'm on over one hundred Groups on Yahoo and each has their settings different so I have to watch when replying to them if clicking reply just sends it to the posting member or back to the Group for distribution to all members. Right. So, considering that AT THE MOLMENT I get news messages in teh newsgroup as well as in the mail list, I'm going to quit/delete my connection to the newsgroup, and see whether I still get messages! If I still do, let's see what the header shows this time! Thanks for the post. Oh wait! I see that in THIS post's header, the newsgroup is NOT shown, but Google or Yahoo, whichever, manages to put YOUR name on top, and that's the person who gets any further answers, not the group at all! Support-seamonkey... does get listed as a CC, but, not in the header of my reply. My reply was ONLY addressed to you, personally! So everyone can see what's happening, I'll ADD support-seamonkey... to the header as CC, but as it was first delivered to me, to send back, it only had your (William's) name on the mail! There's STILL something screwed up, isn't there.
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Daniel wrote: James wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: James wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeffMjef...@email.com To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Message-ID: f128071f-7ded-43ff-be69-38c63e1a7...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 James wrote: /snip/ James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. (You weren't actually creating new threads, but your replies were threaded under the digest posts, which most people don't have copies of.) If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Digests are mostly useful for people who want to keep up with what's going on in a list without actually participating. People who want to subscribe to the digests only but still reply to them should do what you did, changing the Subject, but also mention in the body that they're replying to digests so the regulars don't get bent out of shape. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
James wrote: James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James I know Reply All worked in the email client going through support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org but you had to remove the originating sender so they don't get double of what you send but don't know if it works the same in newsgroup so I'm sending this through newsgroup. If you get this from the newsgroup and as a direct email James and this threads correctly I would suggest using the Reply All. If not then your guess is as good as mine. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: James wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeffMjef...@email.com To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Message-ID: f128071f-7ded-43ff-be69-38c63e1a7...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 James wrote: /snip/ James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee O.K!! My mistake. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Daniel wrote: James wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeffMjef...@email.com To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Message-ID: f128071f-7ded-43ff-be69-38c63e1a7...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 James wrote: Which means utterly nothing to me. Once more, in English please? [ggg] 1) DONT start a new thread each time you post. 2) DON'T use your Caps Lock key for Subject lines. . . Thanks for your kind and generous advice. James and again, James, you have started an entirely new thread. You haven't got a clue, have you?? Daniel . . Well, it's true I haven't a clue as to why a new thread or topic [or whatever it is] gets created when I specifically ALWAYS click reply and DO NOT choose create new thread/topic. It should be rather obvious that I'm not one of the experts here. Now, since you apparently ARE one of the experts here why don't you invest a few lines of type to clue me in as to how I can prevent the same thing happen in the future and inadvertently driving a number of people nuts? I'd like to be able to use the other [my original] format if it's possible to do so without screwing up the list for everyone else. As you can [I hope; knock on wood] I'm using the format suggested by Lee and he tells me it is now threading correctly. I just hope it keeps up. I'm hitting reply here just like I did there. Thanks, James ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
James wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeffMjef...@email.com To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Message-ID: f128071f-7ded-43ff-be69-38c63e1a7...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 James wrote: /snip/ As you can [I hope; knock on wood] I'm using the format suggested by Lee and he tells me it is now threading correctly. I just hope it keeps up. I'm hitting reply here just like I did there. Thanks, James Looking good so far James. Are you still having the problems with the Sent and Drafts issue? As you suggested, it would be a good idea to post a new thread on that, unless it has resolved itself. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
