Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-08 Thread EE 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what
the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But
even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many
sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime
example is . Pick any page and print it, and
you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and
gotten only a plain-text version of the page.

Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as
received, complete with all the bells and whistles?

Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't
serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to
select that?

Thanks.

You could just do a screen capture and print that.  That seems to work 
better for me.


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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-06 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Ray_Net wrote:


I think that what http://www.nytimes.com do is perfect ...We need to
print only the text saving the forest 


The story I cited as an example has a very useful graphic showing the 
range of North Korean missiles. How can I include that when I print the 
page?


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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-06 Thread Ray_Net 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 05-03-17 07:02:
Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what 
the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But 
even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many 
sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A 
prime example is . Pick any page and print it, 
and you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout 
and gotten only a plain-text version of the page.


Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as 
received, complete with all the bells and whistles?


Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't 
serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user 
to select that?


Thanks.

I think that what http://www.nytimes.com do is perfect ...We need to 
print only the text saving the forest 

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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread Lee 
On 3/5/17, Felix Miata  wrote:
> Lee composed on 2017-03-05 22:49 (UTC-0500):
>
>> save the page, edit the .html file removing any references to
>> media="print" stylesheets, load the saved page, print
>
> That may not be sufficient. Individual sheets may be limited to screen
> media, in
> which case such limitation may need to be removed to have any CSS at all
> applied
> to the locally loaded page.

good point - media="screen" stylesheet references might need adjusting
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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread Felix Miata 

Lee composed on 2017-03-05 22:49 (UTC-0500):


save the page, edit the .html file removing any references to
media="print" stylesheets, load the saved page, print


That may not be sufficient. Individual sheets may be limited to screen media, in 
which case such limitation may need to be removed to have any CSS at all applied 
to the locally loaded page.

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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread Lee 
On 3/5/17, Alexander Yudenitsch  wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 05 Mar 17 03:02:
>
>> Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what
>> the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But
>> even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many
>> sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime
>> example is . Pick any page and print it, and
>> you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and
>> gotten only a plain-text version of the page.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as
>> received, complete with all the bells and whistles?
>>
>> Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't
>> serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to
>> select that?
>
> A screen-capture program might work, but most pages you'll want to print
> won't conveniently fit on one monitor/screen, so the 'scrolling' mode
> would have to be used, and that frequently doesn't work well.
>
> I tested the NYT page with SnagIt 7, and it captures what's on screen
> fine (and can print that), but haven't managed to make the scrolling
> work (and disabling add-ons and/or AV/ZA/etc didn't help).
>
> Since, as Steve Dunn pointed out, the page's HTML is commanding this
> behavior, I guess the only way to circumvent it is by<.. snip ..>

save the page, edit the .html file removing any references to
media="print" stylesheets, load the saved page, print

Lee
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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

David H. Durgee wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver
what the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their
pages. But even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print"
function, many sites outsmart me by serving their
"printer-friendly" versions. A prime example is
. Pick any page and print it, and you'll
find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and
gotten only a plain-text version of the page.

Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages
as received, complete with all the bells and whistles?

Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and
don't serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for
the user to select that?

Thanks.


Have you tried disabling JavaScript before printing with SeaMonkey?
I would assume that the content provider must be scripting to handle
the print request, so this might stop it.  Unfortunately it might
result in some missing content as well if scripting retrieves the
data displayed.


Just did.

I visited 
 
normally to get the content, which displayed normally. Then I disabled 
javascript in the browser and called Print Preview, which displayed 
.


The relevant source code, where the page calls this alternative content, is:


href="https://nyti.ms/2lHz4E9;>https://nyti.ms/2lHz4E9


The class "story-short-url" does not appear elsewhere in the source 
code, so I must assume it's in one of the style sheets.


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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread njoracle 
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/4/2017 10:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what 
>> the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But 
>> even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many 
>> sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime 
>> example is . Pick any page and print it, and 
>> you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and 
>> gotten only a plain-text version of the page.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as 
>> received, complete with all the bells and whistles?
>>
>> Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't 
>> serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to 
>> select that?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> 
> Have you tried submitting some kind of feedback to the NY Times about
> this?
> 
The problem is that there are so many web sites that do this, we need a function
to get around it. It would be nice if there were something like
 "PrntScr All"
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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread David E. Ross 
On 3/4/2017 10:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what 
> the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But 
> even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many 
> sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime 
> example is . Pick any page and print it, and 
> you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and 
> gotten only a plain-text version of the page.
> 
> Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as 
> received, complete with all the bells and whistles?
> 
> Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't 
> serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to 
> select that?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Have you tried submitting some kind of feedback to the NY Times about
this?

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Paraphrasing Mark Twain, who was quoting someone else:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and
alternative truths.
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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread Alexander Yudenitsch 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 05 Mar 17 03:02:


Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what
the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But
even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many
sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime
example is . Pick any page and print it, and
you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and
gotten only a plain-text version of the page.

Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as
received, complete with all the bells and whistles?

Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't
serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to
select that?


A screen-capture program might work, but most pages you'll want to print 
won't conveniently fit on one monitor/screen, so the 'scrolling' mode 
would have to be used, and that frequently doesn't work well.


I tested the NYT page with SnagIt 7, and it captures what's on screen 
fine (and can print that), but haven't managed to make the scrolling 
work (and disabling add-ons and/or AV/ZA/etc didn't help).


Since, as Steve Dunn pointed out, the page's HTML is commanding this 
behavior, I guess the only way to circumvent it is by 'impersonating' a 
printer, like a screen-capture app does; maybe other such programs will 
solve this problem better...


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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread Steve Dunn 

On 2017-03-05 01:02, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what
the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But
even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many
sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime
example is . Pick any page and print it, and
you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and
gotten only a plain-text version of the page.


	Others have responded with suggestions, but here's one part that hasn't 
come up yet.


	HTML style sheets can be tailored for various media, as the author of a 
page may wish to tailor it to different devices (including things like 
screens, printed output, and even screen readers that speak the contents 
of the page for the visually impaired).  If you look at the HTML source 
for an NY Times article, you'll find it lists multiple style sheets, and 
one of them will be for print.  Here's an excerpt from the source from a 
semi-randomly chosen article on their site:


link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="print" 
href="https://a1.nyt.com/assets/article/20170302-131745/css/article/story/styles-print.css;


	So the article itself specifies a different style sheet for printing. 
Your browser is just following the instructions in the HTML, as 
standards say it should.

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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-05 Thread David H. Durgee 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what
the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But
even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many
sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime
example is . Pick any page and print it, and
you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and
gotten only a plain-text version of the page.

Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as
received, complete with all the bells and whistles?

Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't
serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to
select that?

Thanks.


Have you tried disabling JavaScript before printing with SeaMonkey?  I 
would assume that the content provider must be scripting to handle the 
print request, so this might stop it.  Unfortunately it might result in 
some missing content as well if scripting retrieves the data displayed.


Dave

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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-04 Thread Felix Miata 

David E. Ross composed on 2017-03-04 23:08 (UTC-0800):


Screen prints can accomplish what you want, but it involves a cludge of
a process.  The problem is that you only get what is visible within the
browser window.  Thus, you must print, scroll, print some more, scroll
some more, print some more, and so on.  In this process, you must save
each screen print into an image-processing application and then print it
before scrolling to the next section of the Web page.  If you have a
truly advanced image-processing application, you might be able to stitch
together the saved images and then print them all at once as a single
large image.


Need to stitch together can be reduced by reconfiguring a Linux desktop to use a 
virtual space much taller than the physical screen (called "panning" using the 
xrandr utility to make a temporarily taller desktop space), and making the 
browser window the lesser full screen height or as tall as the page content can 
consume. How tall is possible depends on hardware, OS version and driver, but 
could be up to 32k logical px tall, but no less than 2048px tall with any 
non-ancient gfxchip.

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Re: WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-04 Thread David E. Ross 
On 3/4/2017 10:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what 
> the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But 
> even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many 
> sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime 
> example is . Pick any page and print it, and 
> you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and 
> gotten only a plain-text version of the page.
> 
> Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as 
> received, complete with all the bells and whistles?
> 
> Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't 
> serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to 
> select that?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Screen prints can accomplish what you want, but it involves a cludge of
a process.  The problem is that you only get what is visible within the
browser window.  Thus, you must print, scroll, print some more, scroll
some more, print some more, and so on.  In this process, you must save
each screen print into an image-processing application and then print it
before scrolling to the next section of the Web page.  If you have a
truly advanced image-processing application, you might be able to stitch
together the saved images and then print them all at once as a single
large image.

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WYSIWYG printing?

2017-03-04 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 
Many website nowadays have their own "Print" buttons that deliver what 
the designers consider "printer-friendly" versions of their pages. But 
even if I ignore those and use SeaMonkey's own "Print" function, many 
sites outsmart me by serving their "printer-friendly" versions. A prime 
example is . Pick any page and print it, and 
you'll find that you've lost all the graphics, fonts, and layout and 
gotten only a plain-text version of the page.


Does anyone know how to outsmart these sites and print the pages as 
received, complete with all the bells and whistles?


Conversely, for pages that are too fancy/fussy for my taste and don't 
serve dumbed-down versions on their own, is there a way for the user to 
select that?


Thanks.

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