Re: Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[Henrik37 via support-seamonkey]

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 2/12/2021 8:39 PM, Henrik37 wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:
My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped 
working. Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.


Using POP3 or IMAP?  Yahoo said some time ago that they would be 
discontinuing POP3 at some point in the future.


I am having no such problems with my IMAP Yahoo email as of two 
hours ago when I received my last email there.


Dave

Thank for your response.

I had been set up using POP3.  Where do I find instructions for 
changing the account to IMAP?


Unfortunately you cannot change an account from POP3 to IMAP, you 
will need to set up a new account.


Dave

Thanks for your note.

I'm now thoroughly confused.

1) Can I use the same name as on the existing POP account?
2) If so, will all of the present e-mail subscriptions automatically 
transfer?

3) Do you have any suggestions on how to proceed (or what NOT to do)?


This is for Thunderbird but it's close enough to SeaMonkey to get you 
started.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-pop-imap-account

The "Transfer your local messages to the server" section can take some 
time if you have a LOT of messages to move.


Lem Johnson


Thank you.  That is the kind of information I needed.
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Re: Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[Lemuel Johnson via support-seamonkey]

On 2/12/2021 8:39 PM, Henrik37 wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:
My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped 
working. Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.


Using POP3 or IMAP?  Yahoo said some time ago that they would be 
discontinuing POP3 at some point in the future.


I am having no such problems with my IMAP Yahoo email as of two 
hours ago when I received my last email there.


Dave

Thank for your response.

I had been set up using POP3.  Where do I find instructions for 
changing the account to IMAP?


Unfortunately you cannot change an account from POP3 to IMAP, you will 
need to set up a new account.


Dave

Thanks for your note.

I'm now thoroughly confused.

1) Can I use the same name as on the existing POP account?
2) If so, will all of the present e-mail subscriptions automatically 
transfer?

3) Do you have any suggestions on how to proceed (or what NOT to do)?


This is for Thunderbird but it's close enough to SeaMonkey to get you 
started.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-pop-imap-account

The "Transfer your local messages to the server" section can take some 
time if you have a LOT of messages to move.


Lem Johnson

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Re: Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[Henrik37 via support-seamonkey]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:
My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped 
working. Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.


Using POP3 or IMAP?  Yahoo said some time ago that they would be 
discontinuing POP3 at some point in the future.


I am having no such problems with my IMAP Yahoo email as of two hours 
ago when I received my last email there.


Dave

Thank for your response.

I had been set up using POP3.  Where do I find instructions for 
changing the account to IMAP?


Unfortunately you cannot change an account from POP3 to IMAP, you will 
need to set up a new account.


Dave

Thanks for your note.

I'm now thoroughly confused.

1) Can I use the same name as on the existing POP account?
2) If so, will all of the present e-mail subscriptions automatically 
transfer?

3) Do you have any suggestions on how to proceed (or what NOT to do)?
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Re: Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[David H. Durgee]

Henrik37 wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:
My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped 
working. Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.


Using POP3 or IMAP?  Yahoo said some time ago that they would be 
discontinuing POP3 at some point in the future.


I am having no such problems with my IMAP Yahoo email as of two hours 
ago when I received my last email there.


Dave

Thank for your response.

I had been set up using POP3.  Where do I find instructions for changing 
the account to IMAP?


Unfortunately you cannot change an account from POP3 to IMAP, you will 
need to set up a new account.


Dave
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Re: Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[Henrik37 via support-seamonkey]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Henrik37 wrote:
My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped working. 
Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.


Using POP3 or IMAP?  Yahoo said some time ago that they would be 
discontinuing POP3 at some point in the future.


I am having no such problems with my IMAP Yahoo email as of two hours 
ago when I received my last email there.


Dave

Thank for your response.

I had been set up using POP3.  Where do I find instructions for changing 
the account to IMAP?

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Re: Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[David H. Durgee]

Henrik37 wrote:
My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped working. 
Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.


Using POP3 or IMAP?  Yahoo said some time ago that they would be 
discontinuing POP3 at some point in the future.


I am having no such problems with my IMAP Yahoo email as of two hours 
ago when I received my last email there.


Dave
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Yahoo Mail Problem With SM

[Henrik37 via support-seamonkey]

My ability to download Yahoo mail via SM has suddenly stopped working. 
Has something changed that I missed?


Thanks, in advance, for any ideas, suggestions, or guidance.
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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Daniel]

On 13/04/2017 1:34 AM, Richmond wrote:

Richmond wrote:


You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
server, and only one email, via the smtp server.


Actually you could send two emails or more if you added them to the
"to:" field.

and would nntp be similar in that you can send replies/posts to several 
newsgroups  as long as they are all on the one news server.


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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Dirk Munk]

Richmond wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/11/2017 3:37 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Richmond wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
messages.

However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.

So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.

I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?


E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
as a newsgroup message.


That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.


This might have some relevance.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971


For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read
messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that
situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one
or more email addresses in one action.

Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing
messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject
email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the
mail server attached to my email address.

In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail
server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that
are also send by email.

The NNTP and SMTP protocols are similar but not the same.  Thus, two
different servers are required.  SeaMonkey's MailNews component can deal
with only one server at a time since that component is replicated from
Thunderbird, which can deal with only one server at a time.

Your problem requires a server solution, not an application (e.g.,
SeaMonkey) solution.  You might try creating your own ISP.


I think there is some confusion going on here. But it might be me.


So in short, the mail server of my ISP can handle mail messages (SMTP)

Yes, outgoing mail messages, via an smtp server, incoming ones via pop
or imap.


and news messages (NNTP),

I am not sure about that. Mail servers handle mail, news servers handle
news.


whereas the server of my newsprovider can only
handle news messages (NNTP).

I have never known a news server handle mail. Maybe it can. But the
ports would be different, and the protocol. So you would have to set it
up twice in SM I think, once as a mail server and once as a news server.


It is possible to do a 'reply all'  to a news message, and that would
result in a NNTP message for the newsgroup, and one or more SMTP messages.

You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
server, and only one email, via the smtp server. You can use the default
smtp server which you use for all your email. Or you can use a different
one, if you have access to it. smtp servers tend to require an account,
or limit access in some way to avoid being used as spam relays.


However the configuration for a News account mentions a SMTP Outgoing
server. For pure news messages that should be a NNTP server, and for
additional SMTP messages, there should be a SMTP server entry, am I right?


No. The outgoing smtp server is for mail, news articles go via the news
server. The smtp server is optional. It's only used if you want to reply
both to the group and by email.


Ah, thanks. It was my impression that NNTP also used a two-server setup, 
an incoming and an outgoing server. And since my news provider also gave 
me the settings for an upload server, I took that for the server for the 
outgoing messages. I assume that if I were to set up my own NNTP server, 
I would have to connect it to that upload server.

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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Dirk Munk]

Richmond wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/11/2017 3:37 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Richmond wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
messages.

However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.

So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.

I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?


E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
as a newsgroup message.


That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.


This might have some relevance.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971


For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read
messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that
situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one
or more email addresses in one action.

Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing
messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject
email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the
mail server attached to my email address.

In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail
server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that
are also send by email.

The NNTP and SMTP protocols are similar but not the same.  Thus, two
different servers are required.  SeaMonkey's MailNews component can deal
with only one server at a time since that component is replicated from
Thunderbird, which can deal with only one server at a time.

Your problem requires a server solution, not an application (e.g.,
SeaMonkey) solution.  You might try creating your own ISP.


I think there is some confusion going on here. But it might be me.


So in short, the mail server of my ISP can handle mail messages (SMTP)

Yes, outgoing mail messages, via an smtp server, incoming ones via pop
or imap.


and news messages (NNTP),

I am not sure about that. Mail servers handle mail, news servers handle
news.


whereas the server of my newsprovider can only
handle news messages (NNTP).

I have never known a news server handle mail. Maybe it can. But the
ports would be different, and the protocol. So you would have to set it
up twice in SM I think, once as a mail server and once as a news server.


It is possible to do a 'reply all'  to a news message, and that would
result in a NNTP message for the newsgroup, and one or more SMTP messages.

You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
server, and only one email, via the smtp server. You can use the default
smtp server which you use for all your email. Or you can use a different
one, if you have access to it. smtp servers tend to require an account,
or limit access in some way to avoid being used as spam relays.


However the configuration for a News account mentions a SMTP Outgoing
server. For pure news messages that should be a NNTP server, and for
additional SMTP messages, there should be a SMTP server entry, am I right?


No. The outgoing smtp server is for mail, news articles go via the news
server. The smtp server is optional. It's only used if you want to reply
both to the group and by email.




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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> 
> You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
> server, and only one email, via the smtp server.

Actually you could send two emails or more if you added them to the
"to:" field.
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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/11/2017 3:37 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
 Richmond wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>>>
>>> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
>>> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
>>> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as 
>>> well.
>>>
>>> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>>>
>> E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
>> server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
>> general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
>> time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
>> as a newsgroup message.
>>
> That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
> an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
> article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
> think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.
>
 This might have some relevance.

 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971

>>> For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read
>>> messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that
>>> situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one
>>> or more email addresses in one action.
>>>
>>> Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing
>>> messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject
>>> email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the
>>> mail server attached to my email address.
>>>
>>> In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail
>>> server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that
>>> are also send by email.
>> The NNTP and SMTP protocols are similar but not the same.  Thus, two
>> different servers are required.  SeaMonkey's MailNews component can deal
>> with only one server at a time since that component is replicated from
>> Thunderbird, which can deal with only one server at a time.
>>
>> Your problem requires a server solution, not an application (e.g.,
>> SeaMonkey) solution.  You might try creating your own ISP.
>>

I think there is some confusion going on here. But it might be me.

> So in short, the mail server of my ISP can handle mail messages (SMTP)

Yes, outgoing mail messages, via an smtp server, incoming ones via pop
or imap.

> and news messages (NNTP),

I am not sure about that. Mail servers handle mail, news servers handle
news.

> whereas the server of my newsprovider can only 
> handle news messages (NNTP).

I have never known a news server handle mail. Maybe it can. But the
ports would be different, and the protocol. So you would have to set it
up twice in SM I think, once as a mail server and once as a news server.

> 
> It is possible to do a 'reply all'  to a news message, and that would 
> result in a NNTP message for the newsgroup, and one or more SMTP messages.

You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
server, and only one email, via the smtp server. You can use the default
smtp server which you use for all your email. Or you can use a different
one, if you have access to it. smtp servers tend to require an account,
or limit access in some way to avoid being used as spam relays.

> 
> However the configuration for a News account mentions a SMTP Outgoing 
> server. For pure news messages that should be a NNTP server, and for 
> additional SMTP messages, there should be a SMTP server entry, am I right?
> 

No. The outgoing smtp server is for mail, news articles go via the news
server. The smtp server is optional. It's only used if you want to reply
both to the group and by email.


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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Dirk Munk]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/11/2017 3:37 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Richmond wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
messages.

However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.

So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.

I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?


E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
as a newsgroup message.


That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.


This might have some relevance.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971


For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read
messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that
situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one
or more email addresses in one action.

Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing
messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject
email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the
mail server attached to my email address.

In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail
server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that
are also send by email.

The NNTP and SMTP protocols are similar but not the same.  Thus, two
different servers are required.  SeaMonkey's MailNews component can deal
with only one server at a time since that component is replicated from
Thunderbird, which can deal with only one server at a time.

Your problem requires a server solution, not an application (e.g.,
SeaMonkey) solution.  You might try creating your own ISP.

So in short, the mail server of my ISP can handle mail messages (SMTP) 
and news messages (NNTP), whereas the server of my newsprovider can only 
handle news messages (NNTP).


It is possible to do a 'reply all'  to a news message, and that would 
result in a NNTP message for the newsgroup, and one or more SMTP messages.


However the configuration for a News account mentions a SMTP Outgoing 
server. For pure news messages that should be a NNTP server, and for 
additional SMTP messages, there should be a SMTP server entry, am I right?

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Re: mail problem with news agent

[David E. Ross]

On 4/11/2017 3:37 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
> messages.
>
> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>
> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as 
> well.
>
> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>
 E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
 server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
 general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
 time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
 as a newsgroup message.

>>>
>>> That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
>>> an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
>>> article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
>>> think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.
>>>
>> This might have some relevance.
>>
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971
>>
> For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read 
> messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that 
> situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one 
> or more email addresses in one action.
> 
> Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing 
> messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject 
> email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the 
> mail server attached to my email address.
> 
> In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail 
> server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that 
> are also send by email.

The NNTP and SMTP protocols are similar but not the same.  Thus, two
different servers are required.  SeaMonkey's MailNews component can deal
with only one server at a time since that component is replicated from
Thunderbird, which can deal with only one server at a time.

Your problem requires a server solution, not an application (e.g.,
SeaMonkey) solution.  You might try creating your own ISP.

-- 
David E. Ross


Consider:
*  Most state mandate that drivers have liability insurance.
*  Employers are mandated to have worker's compensation insurance.
*  If you live in a flood zone, flood insurance is mandatory.
*  If your home has a mortgage, fire insurance is mandatory.

Why then is mandatory health insurance so bad??
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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Dirk Munk]

Richmond wrote:

Richmond wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
messages.

However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.

So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.

I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?


E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
as a newsgroup message.



That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.


This might have some relevance.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971

For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read 
messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that 
situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one 
or more email addresses in one action.


Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing 
messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject 
email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the 
mail server attached to my email address.


In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail 
server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that 
are also send by email.




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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>>>
>>> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
>>> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
>>> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
>>>
>>> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>>>
>>
>> E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
>> server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
>> general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
>> time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
>> as a newsgroup message.
>>
> 
> 
> That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
> an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
> article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
> think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.
> 

This might have some relevance.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971

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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
> messages.
> 
> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
> 
> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
> 
> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
> 
I am testing using "reply to all", and it looks like it is going to send
both to your email address and to the group.

Have you checked what your outgoing smpt server is for the news server
in account settings?

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[Richmond]

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
>> messages.
>>
>> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>>
>> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
>> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
>> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
>>
>> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>>
> 
> E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
> server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
> general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
> time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
> as a newsgroup message.
> 


That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.

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Re: mail problem with news agent

[David E. Ross]

On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
> messages.
> 
> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
> 
> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
> 
> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
> 

E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
as a newsgroup message.

However, there are a very few newsgroups that receive feeds through
E-mail mailing lists and vice-versa.  This requires special
configuration of both the mail server and the NNTP server.

Messages for the news.mozilla.org NNTP server are among those that also
involve E-mail mailing lists.  See
 for details.  Note that, in this
case, a message should be sent to either a mailing list or a newsgroup
but not both since each feeds the other.

-- 
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Consider:
*  Most state mandate that drivers have liability insurance.
*  Employers are mandated to have worker's compensation insurance.
*  If you live in a flood zone, flood insurance is mandatory.
*  If your home has a mortgage, fire insurance is mandatory.

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mail problem with news agent

[Dirk Munk]

My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
messages.


However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.

So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.


I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
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RESOLVED - was [ Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430]

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/19/2017 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
Thank you.


Thanks for all the input.
Turns out that more things had changed in my working environment 
than I had realized.
The perceived need to bounce back and forth between machines went 
away when I discovered that setting zoom level to 133% solved my 
problems with a couple of critical web sites.

Now I can just do everything on my new machine.
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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Ray Davison wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is
installed on!


My desktops have five OSs.  I have a 2G FAT16 primary at the front,
and every other partition on the entire machine is a logical.  I
attempt to have all OSs have all the same drive letters for every
drive.  So I attempt to assign them in physical order.  You can
assign your choice of drive letter to an XP boot partition, and I do.
W7, while it is running, is going to be C, no choice.  So while W7 is
running, the FAT16 at the front, which is normally C, takes the
letter of whatever that W7 is seen as by other OSs.



And Mozilla apps are on one partition and Mozilla data -profile, mail- 
are on another partition.  And those partitions have the same drive 
letter on every desk top and laptop.  That way both the apps and data 
are transparently portable.  They internally always reference the same 
drive letters.  So they can be copied between machines and they never 
know they moved.


Ray


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[Ray Davison]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is installed
on!

My desktops have five OSs.  I have a 2G FAT16 primary at the front, and 
every other partition on the entire machine is a logical.  I attempt to 
have all OSs have all the same drive letters for every drive.  So I 
attempt to assign them in physical order.  You can assign your choice of 
drive letter to an XP boot partition, and I do.  W7, while it is 
running, is going to be C, no choice.  So while W7 is running, the FAT16 
at the front, which is normally C, takes the letter of whatever that W7 
is seen as by other OSs.


Ray



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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Daniel]

On 23/01/2017 1:37 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 8:05 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash
drive, and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the
flash drive


As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by
label" etc. WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives
it has discovered. I see no way automatically associate a
particular drive letter with a particular flash drive
absolutely.


Hmm, I hadn't considered that myself, so just as well mbourne new the 
solution!



It should be possible to assign specific drive letters to specific
drives. The following is based on Vista, but I gather it should be
similar on XP: - From Control Panel in Classic view, open
Administrative Tools then Computer Management. - In the left-hand
pane, under "Storage" select "Disk Management". - Right-click the
drive in the right-hand pane and select "Change Driver Letter and
Paths". - Click "Change", choose letter, then click OK.

If you pick a letter towards the end of the alphabet, you'll
minimise the chance of Windows automatically assigning the same
letter to another removable drive. Then each time you insert that
drive, it should always get the same letter.


As Sgt. Schultz might say "InterestingVERY interesting". I've
been a Windows user since the days of 3.1 and never came across
that. Thank you.


I was going to type "You're showing your age, Richard.", but then Hogans 
Hero's is still being shown on T.V. here so you might be only 
twenty-something!! ;-P



Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is installed
on!



Who? Me? 


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/22/2017 9:33 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


[stuck with USB2 at the moment].

 with an aspect of  My view of a "minimalist network"
is evidently not socially acceptable to the current generation. I
have two laptops with compatible Ethernet hardware. I wish to define
my "network" as having exactly 3 physical components --{ 2 computers
+ 1 Ethernet patch cable = 1 network ;}


I took "USB2" to be a thumb drive.


'Twas


How does that fit with "1 Ethernet patch cable"?
  I have an Ethernet cable with a USB connector on
each end.


Trimming can be good.
Thou trimmest context.
quod vide
id est Reductio ad absurdum


Is that what you are referring to?

Ray




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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Richard Owlett wrote:

 [stuck with USB2 at the moment].

 pretty much handles that.


 with an aspect of 
My view of a "minimalist network" is evidently not socially acceptable
to the current generation. I have two laptops with compatible Ethernet
hardware. I wish to define my "network" as having exactly 3 physical
components --{ 2 computers + 1 Ethernet patch cable = 1 network ;}


I took "USB2" to be a thumb drive.  How does that fit with "1 Ethernet
patch cable"?  I have an Ethernet cable with a USB connector on each 
end.  Is that what you are referring to?


Ray


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> [stuck with USB2 at the moment].
>
>  with an aspect of  My view of a "minimalist network"
> is evidently not socially acceptable to the current generation. I
> have two laptops with compatible Ethernet hardware. I wish to define
> my "network" as having exactly 3 physical components --{ 2 computers
> + 1 Ethernet patch cable = 1 network ;}

I took "USB2" to be a thumb drive.  How does that fit with "1 Ethernet
patch cable"?  I have an Ethernet cable with a USB connector on each 
end.  Is that what you are referring to?


Ray

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/22/2017 8:05 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive,
and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash
drive



As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by
label"
etc.
WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives it has
discovered.
I see no way automatically associate a particular drive letter
with
a particular flash drive absolutely.


It should be possible to assign specific drive letters to
specific drives. The following is based on Vista, but I gather it
should be similar on XP:
- From Control Panel in Classic view, open Administrative Tools
then Computer Management.
- In the left-hand pane, under "Storage" select "Disk Management".
- Right-click the drive in the right-hand pane and select "Change
Driver Letter and Paths".
- Click "Change", choose letter, then click OK.

If you pick a letter towards the end of the alphabet, you'll
minimise the chance of Windows automatically assigning the same
letter to another removable drive. Then each time you insert that
drive, it should always get the same letter.


As Sgt. Schultz might say "InterestingVERY interesting".
I've been a Windows user since the days of 3.1 and never came 
across that.

Thank you.



Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is
installed on!



Who? Me? 


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[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive,
and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash drive



As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by label"
etc.
WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives it has
discovered.
I see no way automatically associate a particular drive letter with
a particular flash drive absolutely.


It should be possible to assign specific drive letters to specific 
drives. The following is based on Vista, but I gather it should be 
similar on XP:
- From Control Panel in Classic view, open Administrative Tools then 
Computer Management.

- In the left-hand pane, under "Storage" select "Disk Management".
- Right-click the drive in the right-hand pane and select "Change Driver 
Letter and Paths".

- Click "Change", choose letter, then click OK.

If you pick a letter towards the end of the alphabet, you'll minimise 
the chance of Windows automatically assigning the same letter to another 
removable drive. Then each time you insert that drive, it should always 
get the same letter.


Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is installed on!

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/22/2017 2:16 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 11:44 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/21/2017 5:47 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 2:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen
aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches
while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I
would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on
the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on
tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in
step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the
waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email
server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to
sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.


Richard, do you dual boot your OS's??


Not in the traditional sense ;/


I have one laptop on which I dual boot Win7 and various Linux's.
I have SeaMonkey installed on both OS's and have the profile on
a Win7 drive, as Linux can "see" and, therefore, use that same
profile.



The T430 has only Debian Jessie.
The T43 nominally has only WinXP Pro.
I say "nominally" because (from an unrelated project) I do have a
bootable copy of Debian Jessie on a flash drive. It requires I
must
manually interrupt the T43's boot sequence.

Running Debian on the T43 would simplify things specific to
this thread
but complicate my life in other ways. In the near future some
off topic
issues should be resolved and the whole problem should just go
away.


Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive,
and then point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash drive



As far as I know WinXP has no equivalent of Debian's "mount by 
label" etc.
WinXP assigns a drive letter based on how many drives it has 
discovered.
I see no way automatically associate a particular drive letter 
with a particular flash drive absolutely.


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Daniel]

On 21/01/2017 11:44 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/21/2017 5:47 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 2:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen
aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I
would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on
the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on
tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the
waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email
server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to
sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.


Richard, do you dual boot your OS's??


Not in the traditional sense ;/


I have one laptop on which I dual boot Win7 and various Linux's.
I have SeaMonkey installed on both OS's and have the profile on
a Win7 drive, as Linux can "see" and, therefore, use that same profile.



The T430 has only Debian Jessie.
The T43 nominally has only WinXP Pro.
I say "nominally" because (from an unrelated project) I do have a
bootable copy of Debian Jessie on a flash drive. It requires I must
manually interrupt the T43's boot sequence.

Running Debian on the T43 would simplify things specific to this thread
but complicate my life in other ways. In the near future some off topic
issues should be resolved and the whole problem should just go away.


Well, O.K., then, why not put your profile on your flash drive, and then 
point both SeaMonkey's to your profile on the flash drive


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/21/2017 5:47 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 21/01/2017 2:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen
aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I
would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on
the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on
tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the
waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email
server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to
sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.


Richard, do you dual boot your OS's??


Not in the traditional sense ;/


I have one laptop on which I dual boot Win7 and various Linux's.
I have SeaMonkey installed on both OS's and have the profile on
a Win7 drive, as Linux can "see" and, therefore, use that same profile.



The T430 has only Debian Jessie.
The T43 nominally has only WinXP Pro.
I say "nominally" because (from an unrelated project) I do have a 
bootable copy of Debian Jessie on a flash drive. It requires I 
must manually interrupt the T43's boot sequence.


Running Debian on the T43 would simplify things specific to this 
thread but complicate my life in other ways. In the near future 
some off topic issues should be resolved and the whole problem 
should just go away.

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Daniel]

On 21/01/2017 2:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.


Richard, do you dual boot your OS's?? I have one laptop on which I dual 
boot Win7 and various Linux's. I have SeaMonkey installed on both OS's 
and have the profile on a Win7 drive, as Linux can "see" and, therefore, 
use that same profile.


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[Richard Owlett]

On 1/20/2017 5:27 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


In my case it is likely to 2 or 3 times a day



and I wanted to avoid copying the whole mail folder of my profile
that many times [stuck with USB2 at the moment].


I suspect you don't change the profile several times a day.  So,
if you first get the profile away from the app, and then get the
mail out of the profile, is makes copying just what has changed
easier.


Step 1 in my previous post handles that.


And then, have whatever function you use to copy, have
it only copy what has changed.  There probably has not been a lot
that has changed in a few hours.  And, make A match B can be a
one button operation.


Step 4 pretty much handles that.



And, while "syncing" can be automated, I want any overwriting of
files to be only at the precise moment I chose.  No "auto
updates".  That reduces surprises.


Agreed. When I wrote Steps 1-6 I was "flow charting" a script 
which would be manually invoked. Actually it will be two scripts 
as one machine is Linux and the other WinXP.


In a full day it appears that each machine will accumulate ~30 
emails which need to be copied to the other.





copied to flash for transfer.


Is there some reason you are stuck with sneaker net rather than
direct machine-to-machine?


 with an aspect of 
My view of a "minimalist network" is evidently not socially 
acceptable to the current generation. I have two laptops with 
compatible Ethernet hardware. I wish to define my "network" as 
having exactly 3 physical components --{ 2 computers + 1 Ethernet 
patch cable = 1 network ;} Gee, does that not sound like a 
updated RS232-C null modem application. I'm being flamed for not 
wanting to stick a router/switch/hub/other between two machines 
with static IP's instead of learning some details of Ethernet. I 
remember when a UART was several square inches of PCB rather than 
a single chip. There is >30 years since I dealt with component 
level implementations rather than prepackaged pablum. I'm 
retired. Why shouldn't I want to continue learning? 


I've accumulated a batch of Wikipedia links on the general topic 
of Ethernet for theory.
Though I'm a Debian user, I've found an apparent treasure trove 
of implementation details on _Linux From Scratch_ mailing lists.


Any suggestions for sources I should examine or a mailing list 
where how I wish to use Ethernet would be on topic and acceptable?





As for different aspect ratios, I have wide screen LCD and narrow
CRTs. I don't pay any attention to the difference.


I take it that you're not of the tri-focal generation ;/


Oh, I am way beyond that.  But I got Lasik so I can drive without
glasses, and I have a family of short range glasses which
basically cover reading, computer and under a dashboard.  Some
soldering is with a ten power head band.

Ray




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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Richard Owlett wrote:


In my case it is likely to 2 or 3 times a day



and I wanted to avoid copying the whole mail folder of my profile
that many times [stuck with USB2 at the moment].


I suspect you don't change the profile several times a day.  So, if you 
first get the profile away from the app, and then get the mail out of 
the profile, is makes copying just what has changed easier.  And then, 
have whatever function you use to copy, have it only copy what has 
changed.  There probably has not been a lot that has changed in a few 
hours.  And, make A match B can be a one button operation.


And, while "syncing" can be automated, I want any overwriting of files 
to be only at the precise moment I chose.  No "auto updates".  That 
reduces surprises.



copied to flash for transfer.


Is there some reason you are stuck with sneaker net rather than direct 
machine-to-machine?



As for different aspect ratios, I have wide screen LCD and narrow
CRTs. I don't pay any attention to the difference.


I take it that you're not of the tri-focal generation ;/


Oh, I am way beyond that.  But I got Lasik so I can drive without 
glasses, and I have a family of short range glasses which basically 
cover reading, computer and under a dashboard.  Some soldering is with a 
ten power head band.


Ray




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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/20/2017 10:42 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 16:17, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:


Do you have local network storage available? (NAS, NFS server, etc).


If I currently had a functioning LAN, the whole question would be
moot <*LOL*>


I'm not seeing what's worth laughing out loud about.


'Cause I'm getting lots of flak in another forum about my 
definition oh what a minimalist LAN should be physically and what 
its operational goals should be.


If I had their goals I would have a "lan" for $0.00. Both laptops 
have built-in WiFi.



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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Mason83]

On 20/01/2017 16:17, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:
>
>> Do you have local network storage available? (NAS, NFS server, etc).
> 
> If I currently had a functioning LAN, the whole question would be 
> moot <*LOL*>

I'm not seeing what's worth laughing out loud about.

What does it mean to not have "a functioning LAN"?

An entry-level NAT router with integrated 4-port switch + 802.11n Wi-Fi
costs around 30-50 USD/Euros. A basic switch costs less than a dinner
at the restaurant.

If having "a functioning LAN" solved your issue, then maybe
you should consider having one.

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/20/2017 8:12 AM, Mason83 wrote:

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/


Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.


I'm approaching this from an OS agnostic point-of-view.
[See my reply to Ray Davison yesterday]
In my specific case it could be
   Linux <--> WinXP Pro
or
   Linux <--> Linux
Depending on conditions outside the scope of this thread.



Are they both in use simultaneously or alternatively?


A couple of days ago I would have said instantly "alternatively".
However today I discovered a use case that makes that distinction 
a little murky.

For the purpose of this thread assume "alternatively".


Do you have local network storage available? (NAS, NFS server, etc).


If I currently had a functioning LAN, the whole question would be 
moot <*LOL*>




IMHO, the question is too open-ended, at the moment.


To a large degree that was intentional and the reason I said "I 
would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the 
waters." No one else's environment/requirements would match mine 
in detail. I wished to avoid the case of missing valuable 
insights to the "problem space" be cause someone would say that 
there solution couldn't be relevant.




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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Mason83]

On 20/01/2017 12:47, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:
>> On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
>>> ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
>>> maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.
>>>
>>> While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would
>>> like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP
>>> server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech
>>> issues].
>>>
>>> I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
>>> I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> You want to sync an email account, but not through the email server?
>> So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to sync the
>> local storage, no way around that.
>>
> 
> Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/

Details such as, which OS are both PCs running.

Are they both in use simultaneously or alternatively?

Do you have local network storage available? (NAS, NFS server, etc)

IMHO, the question is too open-ended, at the moment.

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/19/2017 4:13 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
Thank you.


You want to sync an email account, but not through the email server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to sync the
local storage, no way around that.



Y-E-S As they say "the devil is in the details" ;/
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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Mason83]

On 19/01/2017 12:43, Richard Owlett wrote:

> The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect 
> ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while 
> maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.
> 
> While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would 
> like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP 
> server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech 
> issues].
> 
> I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
> I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
> Thank you.

You want to sync an email account, but not through the email server?
So IMAP is out of the question? Then obviously, you need to sync the
local storage, no way around that.

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/19/2017 12:04 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I
would like
to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP server
is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.


To me "keeping in step" just means maintaining the same mail
files on multiple machines.  And if it is just you changing
machines once in a while, "copy" works fine.  I do that every
time I go on the road and return.


In my case it is likely to 2 or 3 times a day and I wanted to 
avoid copying the whole mail folder of my profile that many times 
[stuck with USB2 at the moment].


I've partially tested a similar routine.
1. The highest priority filter copies all incoming emails to a 
temp folder.
2. When I'm going to use the other machine, only that folder 
needs to be copied

   to flash for transfer.
3. On the target machine, copy that file to the appropriate 
location before

   starting SeaMonkey.
4. When SeaMonkey starts, move contents of that folder to Inbox 
and manually run

   filters to file in appropriate folders.
5. The temp folder is now empty and waiting for new incoming.
6. Few outgoing mails I create on the older machine will copied 
to the newer

   machine's Sent folder by export/import as eml files.



As for different aspect ratios, I have wide screen LCD and narrow
CRTs. I don't pay any attention to the difference.


I take it that you're not of the tri-focal generation ;/



Ray


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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Richard Owlett wrote:

The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would like
to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP server
is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.


To me "keeping in step" just means maintaining the same mail files on 
multiple machines.  And if it is just you changing machines once in a 
while, "copy" works fine.  I do that every time I go on the road and return.


As for different aspect ratios, I have wide screen LCD and narrow CRTs. 
I don't pay any attention to the difference.


Ray

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Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Richard Owlett]

The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect 
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while 
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.


While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would 
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP 
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech 
issues].


I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
Thank you.
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Re: Using windows 10 SM works OK but - Mail Problem

[Gérard]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 08/02/2016 01:20 PM:

Hi,

can someone reproduce "Bug 1291186 - Tagged Email: highlighting does not
change to Tag color when tagged mail es selected, text more or less
unreadable" ?

Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld
(SeaMonkey QA volunteer)



Sorry, I forgot my password for /bugzilla/

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Re: Using windows 10 SM works OK but - Mail Problem

[Gérard]

W3BNR wrote on 08/02/2016 02:12 PM:

On 08/02/16 7:20 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

can someone reproduce "Bug 1291186 - Tagged Email: highlighting does not
change to Tag color when tagged mail es selected, text more or less
unreadable"?

Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld
(SeaMonkey QA volunteer)

Unable to reproduce with
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44

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of the corresponding news account) to true in about:config, or delete the 
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Re: Using windows 10 SM works OK but - Mail Problem

[Rainer Bielefeld]

On 02.08.2016 14:12, W3BNR wrote:
> Unable to reproduce 

Thx!

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Re: Using windows 10 SM works OK but - Mail Problem

[W3BNR]

  
  
On 08/02/16 7:20 AM, Rainer Bielefeld
  wrote:


  Hi,

can someone reproduce "Bug 1291186 - Tagged Email: highlighting does not
change to Tag color when tagged mail es selected, text more or less
unreadable" ?

Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld
(SeaMonkey QA volunteer)


Unable to reproduce with
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:47.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/47.0 SeaMonkey/2.44
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Re: Using windows 10 SM works OK but - Mail Problem

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

can someone reproduce "Bug 1291186 - Tagged Email: highlighting does not
change to Tag color when tagged mail es selected, text more or less
unreadable" ?

Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld
(SeaMonkey QA volunteer)
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Re: Mail problem

[Jonathan N. Little]

F Murtz wrote:




I uninstalled avast and reinstalled it and my mail now seems to be working.
Now I just have to get rid of the message sent by avast to everybody
when emailing.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus





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Re: Mail problem

[F Murtz]

F Murtz wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-06-23 8:15 AM, F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this
file?



I think that message is caused by Avast antivirus. If you have it
installed, you should contact them if you get that message again.

Whatever it is I cant send emails and get that message

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Ta whomever started my mind ticking on avast

I uninstalled avast and reinstalled it and my mail now seems to be working.
Now I just have to get rid of the message sent by avast to everybody 
when emailing.


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Re: Mail problem

[F Murtz]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-06-23 8:15 AM, F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this file?



I think that message is caused by Avast antivirus. If you have it
installed, you should contact them if you get that message again.

Whatever it is I cant send emails and get that message

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: Mail problem

[Jonathan N. Little]

F Murtz wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-06-23 8:15 AM, F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this
file?



I think that message is caused by Avast antivirus. If you have it
installed, you should contact them if you get that message again.

It could be, may be I will try reinstalling avast or change.

Also I keep getting a box saying "there was an error saving the message
to.retry?"
Is this windoze or seamonkey?



First I'd check the results of

dir C:\DOCUME~1\FMURTZ~1\LOCAL~1\temp\nsemail.html

Next you will have to recognized the likelihood of support issues for 
unsupported Windows NT 5.1. It's only going to get worse.


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Re: Mail problem

[F Murtz]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-06-23 8:15 AM, F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this file?



I think that message is caused by Avast antivirus. If you have it
installed, you should contact them if you get that message again.

It could be, may be I will try reinstalling avast or change.

Also I keep getting a box saying "there was an error saving the message 
to.retry?"

Is this windoze or seamonkey?

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Re: Mail problem

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-06-23 8:15 AM, F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this file?



I think that message is caused by Avast antivirus. If you have it 
installed, you should contact them if you get that message again.

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Re: Mail problem

[F Murtz]

F Murtz wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/22/2016 05:04 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 22/06/2016 6:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Am I the only one that is seeing a blank post from F Murtz??



No

Maybe that is the mail problem. Can't type anything in the compose
window. 


Could also be a wetware issue...


I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this file?



I had been trying to post this message and every time I did it hung up 
with that message.



26th June, meeting at Kangaroo Point at 10am for the media launch of the
Motorcycle Crash Card system. The a ride with the Police and Ambulance
from Kangaroo Point up to Pie in the Sky for more media and photo’s etc.

Lesley Tipping, the Hornsby Shire Road Safety Officer (RSO) has secured
the requisite permissions to distribute the Motorcycle Crash Card across
NSW. The idea behind this is to have a card inside your helmet with
necessary medical details and contact numbers on it. There is a sticker
placed on the outside of the helmet so paramedics know it is there and
can be accessed.

The launch of the crash card will be at Kangaroo Point near Brooklyn on
26th June at approximately 10:30 am.

Following the launch and media there will be a short ride to Pie in the
Sky. The event is expected to be supported by NSW Police and Ambulance
services and they will be in attendance on the day. With any luck you
might get served a pie from the NSW Highway Patrol……

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Re: Mail problem

[F Murtz]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/22/2016 05:04 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 22/06/2016 6:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Am I the only one that is seeing a blank post from F Murtz??



No

Maybe that is the mail problem. Can't type anything in the compose
window. 


Could also be a wetware issue...


I have been trying to post but keep getting this message box
there was a problem including the 
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/FMURTZ~1/LOCAL~1/temp/nsemail.html in the 
message.Would you like to continue sending the message without this file?


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Re: Mail problem

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 06/22/2016 05:04 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 22/06/2016 6:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Am I the only one that is seeing a blank post from F Murtz??



No

Maybe that is the mail problem. Can't type anything in the compose
window. 


Could also be a wetware issue...

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Re: Mail problem

[WaltS48]

On 06/22/2016 05:04 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 22/06/2016 6:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Am I the only one that is seeing a blank post from F Murtz??



No

Maybe that is the mail problem. Can't type anything in the compose 
window. 


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Re: Mail problem

[Daniel]

On 22/06/2016 6:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Am I the only one that is seeing a blank post from F Murtz??

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Mail problem

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E-mail problem (new) with Sea Monkey

[Julia Bolton Holloway]

I've lost the bar on which to place e-mail addresses when composing. I 
am using the latest Sea Monkey with Windows. Also there are frequent Sea 
Monkey crashes now when mail arrives and I click on the notice to open it.

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mail problem

[PAWANDEEP SINGH]

dear sir
i am unable to link my gmail with sea monkey mail browser
please help me to do right settings
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e-mail problem

[Chris Shrader]

Hi; I recently began having a problem with my e-mail. In a number of 
instances, when messages get moved from the Inbox to another folder - 
either manually or by my message filters (which had for years always 
worked properly) - they become corrupted. In some cases all contents 
including the subject line are blanked out. In other instances the 
contents of a totally separate e-mail gets inserted into the one being 
moved. In still other cases, contents of a binary file gets ins as the 
message contents.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. - Chirs

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Re: E-Mail problem

[Jens Hatlak]

Jim P wrote:

I have Win 7, SM 2.9. In the past week I have had a problem with
messages in that I can read them when I receive them. Then when I go
back to them they have reverted to the coding for the message.


SM 2.9 is still in beta. There was a problem with SM 2.9b2 (maybe also 
2.9b1, didn't check) where compacting messages (automatically or 
manually) led to message corruption. This issue, which I was hit by 
myself, has been fixed in SM 2.9b3 which has just been released. Of 
course it's very unfortunate that an issue as serious as this one made 
it to the Beta channel, but at least it was caught before release.


According to the below comment (which is from one of the core MailNews 
developers), the only way to fix it is to repair affected folders 
manually, which I don't recommend to average users since it can lead to 
even more corruption, so I won't explain it further here (however, 
that's what I'll do to repair my folders). Your only other options are 
accessing your backups (if you have some) or deleting faulty messages.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730947#c97
(Please don't make that bug even longer; if you have further questions, 
ask them here please.)


HTH

Jens

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Re: E-Mail problem

[Jim P]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Jim P wrote:

I have Win 7, SM 2.9. In the past week I have had a problem with
messages in that I can read them when I receive them. Then when I go
back to them they have reverted to the coding for the message.


SM 2.9 is still in beta. There was a problem with SM 2.9b2 (maybe also
2.9b1, didn't check) where compacting messages (automatically or
manually) led to message corruption. This issue, which I was hit by
myself, has been fixed in SM 2.9b3 which has just been released. Of
course it's very unfortunate that an issue as serious as this one made
it to the Beta channel, but at least it was caught before release.

According to the below comment (which is from one of the core MailNews
developers), the only way to fix it is to repair affected folders
manually, which I don't recommend to average users since it can lead to
even more corruption, so I won't explain it further here (however,
that's what I'll do to repair my folders). Your only other options are
accessing your backups (if you have some) or deleting faulty messages.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730947#c97
(Please don't make that bug even longer; if you have further questions,
ask them here please.)

HTH

Jens

Thanks for the info.  I thought it might have been the problem, it's the 
first I've had with SM in a long, long time.  I've been a user since the 
Netscape days.  I've already updated to the last release SM 2.9b3. Do I 
need to do anything more, like clean out the Inbox?

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Re: Is the Yahoo smtp Mail problem Fixed

[Arnie Goetchius]

question wrote:
 Robert Gault wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 On 3/11/12 9:54 PM, question wrote:
 Is The Yahoo sending of Email Fixed in Thunderbird/Seamonkey With out
 Hacking Those Clients ?
 Can't Tell because I hacked mine .

 It does not have to be fixed in TBird or SeaMonkey. It has to be fixed
 in Yahoo.


 I have ATT using Yahoo as a mail provider and don't have any problems
 with sending or receiving email regardless of text or HTML format. I use
 the latest SeaMonkey.

 There is only one issue with Yahoo which affects my email that might be
 an issue for others. I need to use the correct security format, SSL. It
 gets more complicated since I also use Avast to scan email.

 SeaMonkey
 pop.att.yahoo.com, port 110
 security none
 smtp.att.yahoo.com, port 25
 security none

 Avast
 yahoo.com POP3 port 995 SSL
 yahoo.com SMTP port 465 SSL
 As of this morning The Smtp Server is functioning with HTML ... I think
 Yahoo Got it Fixed .
 
 Security should be Set To  SSL  And port 465
Port 465 is for SMTP. Use port 995 for POP
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Re: Is the Yahoo smtp Mail problem Fixed

[Robert Gault]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/11/12 9:54 PM, question wrote:

Is The Yahoo sending of Email Fixed in Thunderbird/Seamonkey With out
Hacking Those Clients ?
   Can't Tell because I hacked mine .


It does not have to be fixed in TBird or SeaMonkey.  It has to be fixed
in Yahoo.



I have ATT using Yahoo as a mail provider and don't have any problems with 
sending or receiving email regardless of text or HTML format. I use the latest 
SeaMonkey.


There is only one issue with Yahoo which affects my email that might be an issue 
for others. I need to use the correct security format, SSL. It gets more 
complicated since I also use Avast to scan email.


SeaMonkey
pop.att.yahoo.com, port 110
security none
smtp.att.yahoo.com, port 25
security none

Avast
yahoo.com POP3 port 995 SSL
yahoo.com SMTP port 465 SSL
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Re: Is the Yahoo smtp Mail problem Fixed

[question]

Robert Gault wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/11/12 9:54 PM, question wrote:

Is The Yahoo sending of Email Fixed in Thunderbird/Seamonkey With out
Hacking Those Clients ?
Can't Tell because I hacked mine .


It does not have to be fixed in TBird or SeaMonkey. It has to be fixed
in Yahoo.



I have ATT using Yahoo as a mail provider and don't have any problems
with sending or receiving email regardless of text or HTML format. I use
the latest SeaMonkey.

There is only one issue with Yahoo which affects my email that might be
an issue for others. I need to use the correct security format, SSL. It
gets more complicated since I also use Avast to scan email.

SeaMonkey
pop.att.yahoo.com, port 110
security none
smtp.att.yahoo.com, port 25
security none

Avast
yahoo.com POP3 port 995 SSL
yahoo.com SMTP port 465 SSL
As of this morning The Smtp Server is functioning with HTML ... I think 
Yahoo Got it Fixed .


Security should be Set To  SSL  And port 465
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Is the Yahoo smtp Mail problem Fixed

[question]

Is The Yahoo sending of Email Fixed in Thunderbird/Seamonkey With out 
Hacking Those Clients ?

 Can't Tell because I hacked mine .
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Re: Is the Yahoo smtp Mail problem Fixed

[David E. Ross]

On 3/11/12 9:54 PM, question wrote:
 Is The Yahoo sending of Email Fixed in Thunderbird/Seamonkey With out 
 Hacking Those Clients ?
   Can't Tell because I hacked mine .

It does not have to be fixed in TBird or SeaMonkey.  It has to be fixed
in Yahoo.

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Re: down loading of e-mail problem

[RobertsonFannie34]

freelance writer


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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Jim Dell wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.


Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read
news groups.

My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago
depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic
upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2?

Jim

It will probably be superceded by one from 2.0.14 to 2.3 :\ :/


When 2.3 is out yes, but not before we offer the update from 2.0.14-2.2


Well, If the automatic upgrade script from 2.0.14 to 2.2 is stable
before the release of 2.3, then I guessed/predicted wrongly.
By the way the :\ and :/ are supposed to trigger a display of a wry
faced smiley perhaps :-/ or :-\ will work better :-) .
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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Ray_Net]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

John wrote:


I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email
account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not
supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not
SeaMonkey?


Yahoo is clueless with their browser sniffer. You will need to add
NOT Firefox/3.6 to your User Agent string to overcome it. Their
sniffer will find the word Firefox and allow you to do your
thing.

http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/UAspoofing


Rather than installing an extension, or manually hacking prefs, a
solution that WORKS is to use SeaMonkey 2.2

We have included defaults there that cause Yahoo's broken browser
checking script to think we are Firefox and allow everything to
work fine.


I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


It works with SM 2.1 - no need to jump to 2.2 :-)
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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.

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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Jim Dell]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.

Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read 
news groups.


My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago 
depends upon the automatic updates.  What is the status of the automatic 
upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2?


Jim
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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Chris Ilias]

On 11-07-20 9:41 PM, Jim Dell wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.


Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read
news groups.


In this case, the user (John) posted his question in the newsgroup, so 
he doesn't fit in to the don't read news groups category. But more 
importantly, it doesn't matter if John knows. This is the opportunity to 
let him know.


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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Jim Dell wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.


Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read
news groups.

My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago
depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic
upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2?

Jim

It will probably be superceded by one from 2.0.14 to 2.3 :\  :/
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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Jim Dell wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.


Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read
news groups.

My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago
depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic
upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2?

Jim

It will probably be superceded by one from 2.0.14 to 2.3 :\ :/


When 2.3 is out yes, but not before we offer the update from 2.0.14-2.2

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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Jim Dell wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.


Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release.

It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build.

etc.


Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read
news groups.

My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago
depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic
upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2?


Tomorrow it will be out. (Held out for a few translations)

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Yahoo! e-mail problem

[John]

I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email 
account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not 
supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not SeaMonkey?


John
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A: Post a message in any newsgroup using a real email address.

Please reply in this newsgroup. Thank you.
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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

John wrote:

 I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email
 account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not
 supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not SeaMonkey?

Yahoo is clueless with their browser sniffer. You will need to add
NOT Firefox/3.6 to your User Agent string to overcome it. Their
sniffer will find the word Firefox and allow you to do your thing.

http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/UAspoofing

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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[chokito]

Show here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530786
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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Chris Ilias]

On 11-07-19 11:38 AM, John wrote:

I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email
account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not
supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not SeaMonkey?


If I understand correctly, upgrading to the latest version of SeaMonkey 
will fix it.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[WLS]

chokito wrote:



If I understand correctly, upgrading to the latest version of SeaMonkey
will fix it.http://www.seamonkey-project.org/



Yeas, because the user-agent will show as default both, FF and SM:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0
SeaMonkey/2.2


Only if you have Preferences  Advanced  HTTP Networking  User Agent 
String  Advertise Firefox compatibility checked. Which I believe is the 
default setting.


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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

John wrote:


I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email
account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not
supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not SeaMonkey?


Yahoo is clueless with their browser sniffer. You will need to add
NOT Firefox/3.6 to your User Agent string to overcome it. Their
sniffer will find the word Firefox and allow you to do your thing.

http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/UAspoofing



Rather than installing an extension, or manually hacking prefs, a 
solution that WORKS is to use SeaMonkey 2.2


We have included defaults there that cause Yahoo's broken browser 
checking script to think we are Firefox and allow everything to work fine.


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Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

 Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
 John wrote:

 I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email
 account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not
 supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not
 SeaMonkey?
 
 Yahoo is clueless with their browser sniffer. You will need to add
 NOT Firefox/3.6 to your User Agent string to overcome it. Their
 sniffer will find the word Firefox and allow you to do your
 thing. 
 
 http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/UAspoofing 
 
 Rather than installing an extension, or manually hacking prefs, a
 solution that WORKS is to use SeaMonkey 2.2 
 
 We have included defaults there that cause Yahoo's broken browser
 checking script to think we are Firefox and allow everything to
 work fine.

I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not
install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply
to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would
suffice.

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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[jerryadamson]

I had similiar problem when updated to Seamonkey 2.0.12.
I got locked out from using Browser and email.
So I reloaded seamonkey and problem was NOT solved.
Called my provider for tech support and luckily he knew something about 
seamonkeyh.  Three hours but no luck.
I finally decided that my older versions of Netscape (7.2) and firfox where the 
culprit, so removed all programs that were Mozilla related .
Then did an explorer file search on Mozzila and deleted all files related to 
that EXCEPT my Mail folders. Moved them to different location. I also use the 
Local fike options which has about 25000 message back to 1997 mostly 
genealogical research stuff. Also looked in C: for mozilla and deleted them 
folder by folder.
I was convinced I had the problem solved.
Guess what, reloaded the seamonkey 12 and same old problem. I then was 
convinced I had register files causing the problem and I did a internet search 
on Seamonkey + Register + Problems  and found this forum.
Your problem with antivirus Avast sure seemed similiar to my problem.
I use BitDefender2009.  Looked in filewall and found Seamonkey.  Upon 
examination, the path shown for it was different than where I loaded 
seakmonkey.  So deleted that one reference
AND   GREAT THINGS HAPPENED.  SEAMONKEY  WORKED
Thanks for this forum



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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem AVG vs Avast

[Marisa Ciceran]

Mike C wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out
mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server
(Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated
SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to
otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any
clues?

Thanks.

Marisa


I have found the cause of the problem: Avast! Free Antivirus Mail Shield
settings. I will explain how I fixed it, but cannot interpret what it
means technically. I do not know how the corruption occurred during
the upgrade of SeaMonkey to v. 2.0.12. The areas where I did the repair
are , since

I went to the Avast Mail Shield menu window where I had previously
ticked the options to scan both incoming and outgoing mails. I then
opened the expert settings and saw that all three options there were
ticked - inbound mail (POP3, IMAP4), outbound mail (SMTP) and newsgroups
(NNTP). I then went to the SSL accounts submenu and found that my ISP,
verizon.net along with several others, but had the option none in the
encryption column.

I went back and unticked the option to scan outgoing mails and went to
see if my mails would now go through - and they did. I then re-ticked
the outgoing scan option and went to look at the SSL accounts submenu
again. The encryption option now was changed to SSL, and all is
restored in SeaMonkey mails in the newly updated version.

I don't know if I could have avoided the steps I mentioned in my last
paragraph and instead changed the none to SSL on the verizon.net
line manually to achieve the same results. I leave that assessment to
the experts here.

Marisa


Correction, I had to go back and again untick the scanning of outgoing
email by Avast. I do not know why it worked for a short while and
malfunctioned again. Does Avast change the settings at will? In any
case, the SSL setting I described before appears to be wrong.


I tried Avast for a while. Didn't really like it.
It did some strange things.
Use AVG now and it works great!

Any other opinions on this?

I suppose I should have started a new thread on this.


I switched from AVG to Avast last year because it gave more options for 
virus scans. I will give AVG another look, however.


Thanks for you advice.

Marisa
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Marisa Ciceran]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:


Correction, I had to go back and again untick the scanning of outgoing
email by Avast.


There is no need to set your a-v program to scan outgoing email.
Incoming, either. If the program is running resident, it would find any
viruses attached to the email if you tried to open or save them.

http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

Further, if on the very rare chance it would find one, it could destroy
the mail folder that contained it.

(I haven't seen an actual virus in many years; spyware and rootkits are
all the rage these days, as they are profitable and viruses are not.)



Thanks for this warning and good advice. You've reminded me of the good 
ol' times when, indeed, entire folders would become inaccessible.


I have unticked the outgoing email scans.

Marisa
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Marisa Ciceran]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:41:46 -0500, Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?


Normally this is a firewall problem. You need to tell your firewall that
this new version of SeaMonkey is allowed to send mail out.

Phil



Following through on all the responses so far, all the suggestions so 
far were already done to no avail and the configurations on both the 
laptop and desktop were/are the same for SeaMonkey. Here are some specifics:


1. Firewall settings - ZoneAlarm firewall recognizes the SeaMonkey.exe 
file, the uninstaller and updater files. No difference in the outgoing 
mails.


2. Outgoing ISP server - the settings default to port 25, but we checked 
out port with both with the default port setting 25 and 587. The server 
does not require authentication. We also checked all the server settings 
for every account that was set up.


3. I have sent out various test messages to myself on all three of the 
accounts that are in the laptop profile, and tried to send them both 
when the messages were open as well as after they were placed in the 
Outbox. I also closed the program and it defaulted (which I do not like) 
to asking me the next time it opens whether I want to send out the 
outgoing mail. I also created a separate test profile with a single 
account. None of these worked.


All the above actions were taken repeatedly before I even called 
Verizon, but were repeated by the tech support guy who worked with me 
during a screen sharing session.


None of the above tests resolved the problem, as neither did my 
uninstalling the new SeaMonkey and reinstalling it. I still receive 
incoming mails normally, but am blocked from outgoing mails.


Meanwhile, the MS Outlook mails there were newly set up by the Verizon 
support technician (they do not support Mozilla products this way) were 
tested out - outgoing and incoming both work normally. This suggests 
that the Verizon server is not responsible for the time out error on 
outgoing mails via SeaMonkey.


I have been using the Netscape, then Mozilla suite since the mid-1990s, 
and have never come across this type of problem before. I am completely 
baffled as to how to fix it.


Any other suggestions?

Thank you all.

Marisa
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Marisa Ciceran]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?

Thanks.

Marisa


I have found the cause of the problem: Avast! Free Antivirus Mail Shield 
settings. I will explain how I fixed it, but cannot interpret what it 
means technically. I do not know how the corruption occurred during 
the upgrade of SeaMonkey to v. 2.0.12. The areas where I did the repair 
are , since


I went to the Avast Mail Shield menu window where I had previously 
ticked the options to scan both incoming and outgoing mails. I then 
opened the expert settings and saw that all three options there were 
ticked - inbound mail (POP3, IMAP4), outbound mail (SMTP) and newsgroups 
(NNTP). I then went to the SSL accounts submenu and found that my ISP, 
verizon.net along with several others, but had the option none in the 
encryption column.


I went back and unticked the option to scan outgoing mails and went to 
see if my mails would now go through - and they did. I then re-ticked 
the outgoing scan option and went to look at the SSL accounts submenu 
again. The encryption option now was changed to SSL, and all is 
restored in SeaMonkey mails in the newly updated version.


I don't know if I could have avoided the steps I mentioned in my last 
paragraph and instead changed the none to SSL on the verizon.net 
line manually to achieve the same results. I leave that assessment to 
the experts here.


Marisa
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem AVG vs Avast

[Mike C]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out
mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any
clues?

Thanks.

Marisa


I have found the cause of the problem: Avast! Free Antivirus Mail Shield
settings. I will explain how I fixed it, but cannot interpret what it
means technically. I do not know how the corruption occurred during
the upgrade of SeaMonkey to v. 2.0.12. The areas where I did the repair
are , since

I went to the Avast Mail Shield menu window where I had previously
ticked the options to scan both incoming and outgoing mails. I then
opened the expert settings and saw that all three options there were
ticked - inbound mail (POP3, IMAP4), outbound mail (SMTP) and newsgroups
(NNTP). I then went to the SSL accounts submenu and found that my ISP,
verizon.net along with several others, but had the option none in the
encryption column.

I went back and unticked the option to scan outgoing mails and went to
see if my mails would now go through - and they did. I then re-ticked
the outgoing scan option and went to look at the SSL accounts submenu
again. The encryption option now was changed to SSL, and all is
restored in SeaMonkey mails in the newly updated version.

I don't know if I could have avoided the steps I mentioned in my last
paragraph and instead changed the none to SSL on the verizon.net
line manually to achieve the same results. I leave that assessment to
the experts here.

Marisa


Correction, I had to go back and again untick the scanning of outgoing
email by Avast. I do not know why it worked for a short while and
malfunctioned again. Does Avast change the settings at will? In any
case, the SSL setting I described before appears to be wrong.


I tried Avast for a while.  Didn't really like it.
It did some strange things.
Use AVG now and it works great!

Any other opinions on this?

I suppose I should have started a new thread on this.
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

 Correction, I had to go back and again untick the scanning of outgoing
 email by Avast.

There is no need to set your a-v program to scan outgoing email.
Incoming, either. If the program is running resident, it would find any
viruses attached to the email if you tried to open or save them.

http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

Further, if on the very rare chance it would find one, it could destroy
the mail folder that contained it.

(I haven't seen an actual virus in many years; spyware and rootkits are
all the rage these days, as they are profitable and viruses are not.)

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Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Marisa Ciceran]

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which 
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.


The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) 
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on 
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious 
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me 
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook 
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the 
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the 
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction 
in the updated SeaMonkey.


I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several 
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a 
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise 
be functioning normally.


Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have 
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?


Thanks.

Marisa
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Marisa Ciceran]

I forgot to mention that both of my computers have Windows XP installed 
- the laptop is the Home edition, whereas the desktop is the Pro edition.


Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?

Thanks.

Marisa


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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Mike C]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I forgot to mention that both of my computers have Windows XP installed
- the laptop is the Home edition, whereas the desktop is the Pro edition.

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out
mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any
clues?

Thanks.

Marisa




Check your Outgoing Server Settings Edit Mail  Newsgroups Look at the 
bottom in the left panel.  Then click Edit in the right panel.


Some how 2.0.12 changed my settings so I had the same problem.

You may need to check with your provider for the correct settings.
(Some use secure, some don't)
Also check with them for the correct Outgoing server name.
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Michael Gordon]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?

Thanks.

Marisa

Yes, I have had such a problem when upgrading a version of SM.
It sounds like the SMTP server settings did not transfer during the upgrade.

Place your laptop next to your PC screen so you can compare settings.

On both the P{C and Laptop open SM mail and click on Edit/Mail and 
newsgroups settings.  This will open a column on the left showing all 
your mail accounts and their respective group preferences.


Single click on one of your account names and near the bottom of the 
dialog box you should see Outgoing Server (SMTP).  This should be set 
to Use Default Server


This is where you compare the settings between the laptop and PC.

Look all the way to the bottom of the Account Settings window and you 
should see Outgoing Server (SMTP),  click once on this to open the SMTP 
settings.


On your laptop and PC you may have several account settings, the one in 
your PC has the correct settings, so make the same settings on the 
laptop and make sure you set this as the Default for outgoing mail.


Do not make any changes or modifications to the PC, when you close it 
down use Cancel  On the laptop click OK and restart SM to test your 
outgoing mail.


If you have more than one mail account you can send yourself a test 
message to test the sending  and receiving part, however you may not be 
able to send the message on the same account as your ISP may block those 
message as SPAM.


Michael
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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Marisa Ciceran wrote:


I forgot to mention that both of my computers have Windows XP installed
- the laptop is the Home edition, whereas the desktop is the Pro edition.

Marisa Ciceran wrote:

I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which
promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out
mails.

The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon)
has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on
the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious
configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me
stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook
that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the
problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the
malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction
in the updated SeaMonkey.

I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several
times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - which updated SeaMonkey a
day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise
be functioning normally.

Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have
never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any
clues?


FWIW, I have SM 2.0.12 and WinXP SP3 as well, and this is not a problem 
-- this combination is perfectly capable of sending and receiving mail 
through a Verizon connection.


However, in the past when I've visited friends and relatives with 
Verizon FiOS, I had trouble sending mail until I discovered that they 
block port 25 as an antispam measure. Initially I didn't know that, so I 
pretended to be a Verizon customer (using his username and password for 
authentication), but when I discovered what was really going on, I 
simply set my SMTP server to use port 587 and the problem went away.


See for example:
http://forums.verizon.com/t5/High-Speed-Internet-DSL-and-Dial/Port-25-587-and-third-party-email-account/td-p/110835
http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/highspeed/general+support/top+questions/questionsone/124274.htm

More if you google
verizon smtp port 25 587

HTH

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Re: Update to 2.0.12 outgoing mail problem

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:41:46 -0500, Marisa Ciceran wrote:
 I booted up my Toshiba L500 laptop this morning to SeaMonkey which 
 promptly updated itself to version 2.0.12. I can no longer send out mails.
 
 The error message I get every time is that the ISP mail server (Verizon) 
 has timed out, so I called my ISP, Verizon. I spent nearly an hour on 
 the telephone with technical support who went through all the obvious 
 configurations and found nothing obviously wrong. Not to leave me 
 stranded, they had me open and configure an older version of MS Outlook 
 that is on my system that I have never used just to find out if the 
 problem would be repeated there, but instead we proved that the 
 malfunction was not at the ISP server end, but due to some malfunction 
 in the updated SeaMonkey.
 
 I have already uninstalled and reinstalled SeaMonkey 2.0.12 several 
 times to no avail. Meanwhile, my desktop PC - mwhich updated SeaMonkey a 
 day or two ago - has experience no such problem and appears to otherwise 
 be functioning normally.
 
 Has anyone else experience an outgoing mail problem like this? I have 
 never had such a problem before, and have no idea how to fix it. Any clues?

Normally this is a firewall problem. You need to tell your firewall that
this new version of SeaMonkey is allowed to send mail out.

Phil

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