Re: my wonderful Seamonkey... an imap question

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sean nathan wrote:

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sean nathan wrote:
Welcome to February fellow Seamonkey devotees! I have performed a 
fresh install of SM 2.49.1 today after a distro upgrade to 
PeppermintOS linux 8 respin 2.


All of my imap accounts worked flawlessly as I created each account. 
I have generally stuck to pop3 access in the past, but I am finding 
out via imap that e'mail that I thought I had deleted long ago, by 
downloading to my machines, still resides on the e'mail servers.


Wondering if I am missing some checkbox which deletes the email from 
the servers? I have always assumed the act of downloading my e'mail 
removes the copy from cox.net, gmail & outlook... all of my yahoo 
accounts work that way.


IMAP synchronises emails on the PC with the server. Downloaded emails 
stay on the server. If you delete an email from the PC, it also gets 
deleted from the server. If you delete on the server, it will be 
deleted from the PC next time it syncs.


POP3 downloads email from the server to the PC. Whether it is left on 
the server having done so is optional. See the settings at Edit > Mail 
& Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your account) > Server 
Settings, in particular "Leave messages on server", "For at 
most...days" and "Until I delete them".


GMail is different (as always...) When using POP3, the server ignores 
the client's instructions as to whether to delete the email. Instead 
you have to log in to  and go to GMail's 
settings. On the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab is a setting "When 
messages are accessed with POP" with options "keep Gmail's copy in the 
Inbox", "mark Gmail's copy as read", "archive Gmail's copy" or "delete 
Gmail's copy".





Therein lies my dilemma, I never delete non-spam e'mail, but I do move 
it from the inbox to my decades of archived mail in the local folders. 
It resides on my machine permanently as an interactive diary of sorts...


Only Yahoo seems to be properly configured to allow mail removed from 
"Inbox" to be deleted.


Gmail moves copies into three separate imap folders... and I have to go 
to Cox cable & Outlook webmail to delete previously moved e'mail 
manually...


Gmail allows emails to be given multiple "labels", which it presents as 
folders in IMAP, resulting in copies in multiple IMAP folders. All 
incoming email appears in "Inbox" (or "Spam") and "All Mail". I'm not 
sure what the third one you refer to is?


There are a few settings in Gmail's web interface which might help...

(Gmail) Settings > Labels:

- Untick "Show in IMAP" next to the "All Mail" label
--- Prevents that label from being shown as a folder in IMAP along with 
duplicates of all emails.


- I also untick "Show in IMAP" next to the "Important" label
--- Avoids duplicates showing up in that IMAP folder. You might want to 
keep this one, depending whether you use the "Important" label, but if 
you do you'll need to delete "important" emails from both the Inbox and 
Important IMAP folders. Similarly you might want to untick the "Starred" 
label if you don't use that.


(Gmail) Settings > Forwarding and POP/IMAP:

- When I mark a message in IMAP as deleted: Auto-Expunge off
--- Avoids Gmail immediately deleting messages if SeaMonkey is set to 
mark messages as deleted, so you get the chance to un-delete them before 
compacting the folder to actually delete the messages marked as deleted.


- When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible 
IMAP folder: Immediately delete the message forever
--- If SeaMonkey is set to mark messages as deleted, messages marked as 
deleted in SeaMonkey (shown strike-through in the thread pane) will 
remain in Gmail's until the folder is compacted (expunged) in SeaMonkey, 
at which point messages marked as deleted are also deleted from Gmail.
--- If SeaMonkey is set to move deleted messages to the bin, deleted 
messages appear in the bin folder in both SeaMonkey and Gmail (Gmail 
doesn't immediately delete it at this point, as SeaMonkey has moved the 
message, not deleted it). Strangely, deleting the message from 
SeaMonkey's bin doesn't seem to delete it from Gmail's bin, but that 
seems to be the case regardless of the setting in Gmail and probably 
isn't too bad since Gmail automatically deletes messages from the bin 
after 30 days.


The SeaMonkey setting to mark messages as deleted or move them to the 
bin is at Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your 
account) > Server Settings > "When I delete a message".



Oh well, just have to go hit the delete button once a month I guess...


I find the above seems to work quite sensibly in Gmail. There are still 
a few quirks though. e.g. moving a message from a Gmail IMAP folder to a 
local folder in SeaMonkey leaves the message on Gmail's server (visible 
if you log in to webmail) but it doesn't show up in the IMAP folder on 
SeaMonkey (only in the local folder to which it was moved). If, in 
SeaMonkey, 

Re: my wonderful Seamonkey... an imap question

[sean nathan]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

sean nathan wrote:
Welcome to February fellow Seamonkey devotees! I have performed a 
fresh install of SM 2.49.1 today after a distro upgrade to 
PeppermintOS linux 8 respin 2.


All of my imap accounts worked flawlessly as I created each account. I 
have generally stuck to pop3 access in the past, but I am finding out 
via imap that e'mail that I thought I had deleted long ago, by 
downloading to my machines, still resides on the e'mail servers.


Wondering if I am missing some checkbox which deletes the email from 
the servers? I have always assumed the act of downloading my e'mail 
removes the copy from cox.net, gmail & outlook... all of my yahoo 
accounts work that way.


IMAP synchronises emails on the PC with the server. Downloaded emails 
stay on the server. If you delete an email from the PC, it also gets 
deleted from the server. If you delete on the server, it will be deleted 
from the PC next time it syncs.


POP3 downloads email from the server to the PC. Whether it is left on 
the server having done so is optional. See the settings at Edit > Mail & 
Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your account) > Server Settings, 
in particular "Leave messages on server", "For at most...days" and 
"Until I delete them".


GMail is different (as always...) When using POP3, the server ignores 
the client's instructions as to whether to delete the email. Instead you 
have to log in to  and go to GMail's settings. 
On the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab is a setting "When messages are 
accessed with POP" with options "keep Gmail's copy in the Inbox", "mark 
Gmail's copy as read", "archive Gmail's copy" or "delete Gmail's copy".





Therein lies my dilemma, I never delete non-spam e'mail, but I do move 
it from the inbox to my decades of archived mail in the local folders. 
It resides on my machine permanently as an interactive diary of sorts...


Only Yahoo seems to be properly configured to allow mail removed from 
"Inbox" to be deleted.


Gmail moves copies into three separate imap folders... and I have to go 
to Cox cable & Outlook webmail to delete previously moved e'mail 
manually...


Oh well, just have to go hit the delete button once a month I guess...

sean
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Re: my wonderful Seamonkey... an imap question

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sean nathan wrote:
Welcome to February fellow Seamonkey devotees! I have performed a fresh 
install of SM 2.49.1 today after a distro upgrade to PeppermintOS linux 
8 respin 2.


All of my imap accounts worked flawlessly as I created each account. I 
have generally stuck to pop3 access in the past, but I am finding out 
via imap that e'mail that I thought I had deleted long ago, by 
downloading to my machines, still resides on the e'mail servers.


Wondering if I am missing some checkbox which deletes the email from the 
servers? I have always assumed the act of downloading my e'mail removes 
the copy from cox.net, gmail & outlook... all of my yahoo accounts work 
that way.


IMAP synchronises emails on the PC with the server. Downloaded emails 
stay on the server. If you delete an email from the PC, it also gets 
deleted from the server. If you delete on the server, it will be deleted 
from the PC next time it syncs.


POP3 downloads email from the server to the PC. Whether it is left on 
the server having done so is optional. See the settings at Edit > Mail & 
Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your account) > Server Settings, 
in particular "Leave messages on server", "For at most...days" and 
"Until I delete them".


GMail is different (as always...) When using POP3, the server ignores 
the client's instructions as to whether to delete the email. Instead you 
have to log in to  and go to GMail's settings. 
On the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab is a setting "When messages are 
accessed with POP" with options "keep Gmail's copy in the Inbox", "mark 
Gmail's copy as read", "archive Gmail's copy" or "delete Gmail's copy".


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my wonderful Seamonkey... an imap question

[sean nathan]

Welcome to February fellow Seamonkey devotees! I have performed a fresh 
install of SM 2.49.1 today after a distro upgrade to PeppermintOS linux 
8 respin 2.


All of my imap accounts worked flawlessly as I created each account. I 
have generally stuck to pop3 access in the past, but I am finding out 
via imap that e'mail that I thought I had deleted long ago, by 
downloading to my machines, still resides on the e'mail servers.


Wondering if I am missing some checkbox which deletes the email from the 
servers? I have always assumed the act of downloading my e'mail removes 
the copy from cox.net, gmail & outlook... all of my yahoo accounts work 
that way.



So elated that all seems well in Seamonkey development land, I see SM 
2.49.2 is on the horizon, just will be waiting for it to hit the 
ubuntuzilla ppa servers.


Sean
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