Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:


Sun, 6 May 2018 00:27:56 +0200, _EE_:

Ray_Net wrote:

It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a 
plain-text mail with an attachment...
but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the 
content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy 
who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... 
the picture is then not available until he force the html-format 
reading.


You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments.


It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for 
SeaMonkey at least.  If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an 
HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an 
attachment.


Not on my machine.

I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which 
were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and 
switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images 
disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in 
fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because 
there were no attachments.


See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show 
as attachment.


Agreed.

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Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey 

Sun, 6 May 2018 00:27:56 +0200, _EE_:

Ray_Net wrote:

It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a 
plain-text mail with an attachment...
but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the 
content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy 
who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... 
the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading.


You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments.


It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for 
SeaMonkey at least.  If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an 
HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an 
attachment.


See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show 
as attachment.


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Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread EE 

Ray_Net wrote:

EE wrote on 05-05-18 19:53:

Richmond wrote:

EE wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richmond wrote:

I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it 
does not

show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded
message
from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least
say
that there are attachments without trying any further 
interpretation.


Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a 
couple of

ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment.

...



None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain 
Text.

It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as
options,
nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include
vision
of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy 
way of

doing it.



I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and
with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the
options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message 
Body
As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it 
made

no difference.

SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme.



It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this 
instance

it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an
apple client who received a message with attachments).

The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and 
also on

my Iphone mail client.


 From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed
from messages before forwarding them.



I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my
iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from
plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially
as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would
apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I
conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly.
(Whether because of Apple, or because of SM).

That sounds strange.  With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself 
from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari 
on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text 
messages, and the attachments arrive.  I have to use Thunderbird 
because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email.


It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text 
mail with an attachment...
but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the 
content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who 
receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the 
picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading.


You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments.

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View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey 

Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for 
SeaMonkey at least.  If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on 
an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as 
an attachment.


Not on my machine.

I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which 
were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and 
switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images 
disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in 
fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because 
there were no attachments.


So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it 
retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when 
viewed as plain text.  Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name 
information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even 
when message viewed as plain text.


See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not 
show as attachment.


Agreed.


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Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey 

Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for 
SeaMonkey at least.  If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on 
an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear 
as an attachment.


Not on my machine.

I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which 
were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, 
and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images 
disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in 
fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because 
there were no attachments.


Let's try:

[color-image]

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View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey 

Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for 
SeaMonkey at least.  If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on 
an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear 
as an attachment.


Not on my machine.

I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which 
were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, 
and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images 
disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in 
fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because 
there were no attachments.


2nd try:

[color-image]

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Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for 
SeaMonkey at least.  If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on 
an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear 
as an attachment.


Not on my machine.

I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which 
were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, 
and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images 
disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in 
fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because 
there were no attachments.


So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it 
retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when 
viewed as plain text.  Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name 
information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even 
when message viewed as plain text.


On my machine, both messages have paper clips in the message listing 
indicating the presence of an attachment regardless of my View settings.


If I choose View | Message Body As | Original HTML, the images also 
appear in the message body, but SM thinks there is no attachment, so it 
shows no attachment pane.


If I choose View | Message Body As | Plain Text, they vanish from the 
message body but are listed in the attachment pane (as "color-image.png" 
and "Part 1.2.2," respectively).


SM 2.49.2, classic theme.

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Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey 

Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_:

I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not 
show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message 
from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say 
that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation.


You probably observe the following:
I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients.  SeaMonkey is 
not able to compose just that way.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.3 released

2018-05-06 Thread Daniel 

WaltS48 wrote on 06/05/18 00:45:

On 5/5/18 10:10 AM, Daniel wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 05/05/18 05:15:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Ant wrote:
Yay and thanks! :D No internal updates again I guess since I'm not 
seeing it in my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. :(



On 5/3/2018 11:58 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.49.3!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.49.3, see the 
What's

New in SeaMonkey 2.49.3 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

It's been a very difficult release (but it still can't compare with
2.46...  )


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.3
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.3/


Just waiting for it to hit the Ubuntuzilla repository now.  Thanks.



It just hit a few minutes ago.  Now running 2.49.3 here from 
Ubuntuzilla.


Dave


Dave, your User Agent is showing just as FF 52.0 If you are now using 
SeaMonkey 2.49.3, that should be equivalent to FF 55 or thereabouts, 
shouldn't it??



Nope. SeaMonkey 2.49.x is based on Firefox 52 ESR.

 

Ah!! O.K.!! So does that mean that SM 2.49.3 is based on FF 52.3 (or 
52.0.3, whatever!)??


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.3 released

2018-05-06 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl 

> Ah!! O.K.!! So does that mean that SM 2.49.3 is based on FF 52.3 (or 52.0.3,
> whatever!)??

You know there are release notes available? :)

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.3/

FRG

Daniel wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 06/05/18 00:45:

On 5/5/18 10:10 AM, Daniel wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote on 05/05/18 05:15:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Ant wrote:
Yay and thanks! :D No internal updates again I guess since I'm not 
seeing it in my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. :(



On 5/3/2018 11:58 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.49.3!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.49.3, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.49.3 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

It's been a very difficult release (but it still can't compare with
2.46...  )


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.3
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.3/


Just waiting for it to hit the Ubuntuzilla repository now.  Thanks.



It just hit a few minutes ago.  Now running 2.49.3 here from Ubuntuzilla.

Dave


Dave, your User Agent is showing just as FF 52.0 If you are now using 
SeaMonkey 2.49.3, that should be equivalent to FF 55 or thereabouts, 
shouldn't it??



Nope. SeaMonkey 2.49.x is based on Firefox 52 ESR.


Ah!! O.K.!! So does that mean that SM 2.49.3 is based on FF 52.3 (or 52.0.3, 
whatever!)??



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Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread GerardJan 

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_:

I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show 
attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an 
apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are 
attachments without trying any further interpretation.


You probably observe the following:
I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients.  SeaMonkey is not able 
to compose just that way.





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Build identifier: 20180403170715

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View message body as plain text - but no attachments?

2018-05-06 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey 

Sun, 6 May 2018 09:23:45 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_:

Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_:

I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not 
show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message 
from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say 
that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation.


You probably observe the following:

[inline image/png part with no filename associated]

I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients.  SeaMonkey is 
not able to compose just that way.


My original message was multipart/mixed consisting of three parts:

  * text/plain
  * image/png
  * text/plain

I've tried as soon as I give:

Content-Type: ...; name=

or:

Content-Disposition: ...; filename=

to any of the parts they start showing as attachments, in addition.

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