Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
I'd be interested if you do turn up a reference. The setup is used by some people I know. It works, if used carefully and properly. Sorry, no references to point to. maybe it was in Resolution magazine. I thought I'd kept the article, but I can/t find it in my file, and there doesn't seem to be anything on the web. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? There have been some articles in Sound On Sound about somewhat similar subjects. However, these are not what I am looking for. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug01/articles/recacgtr0801.asp http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr10/articles/acguitar.htm Thanks for the comments. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
I'm still confused as to what is being described. Could it possibly be this? http://ambisonics.iem.at/symposium2009/proceedings/ambisym09-pollowmasiero-musicalinstrumentdirectivity.pdf/at_download/file or something similar? Eric Benjamin - Original Message From: Eero Aro eero@dlc.fi To: sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Mon, March 4, 2013 7:08:31 AM Subject: Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards? I'd be interested if you do turn up a reference. The setup is used by some people I know. It works, if used carefully and properly. Sorry, no references to point to. maybe it was in Resolution magazine. I thought I'd kept the article, but I can/t find it in my file, and there doesn't seem to be anything on the web. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? There have been some articles in Sound On Sound about somewhat similar subjects. However, these are not what I am looking for. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug01/articles/recacgtr0801.asp http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr10/articles/acguitar.htm Thanks for the comments. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Eric Benjamin wrote: I'm still confused as to what is being described. Could it possibly be this? Sorry Eric. I have never seen that article before. Originally I was looking for a possible follow-up to this short thread, that was started by Etienne in Nov 2002: You can find it in Sursound Archives. The idea is a live performance in surround, where the performer is a mouse in a shoe box. The box is made of some resonant material. The mic / speaker layout is inverted ... i.e. the mics are just outside the box, pointing in, through little holes. The listener is aurally inside the box hearing the mouse walk around them.. just straight mic channel to speaker ..with 6 or 8 standard cardiod mics / speakers. Etienne only got two replies to his post. Maybe that was it. I suggest we move on to something completely different. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Michael Chapman wrote: 1) Don't think this is it, but better to forward than delete ? Yes, I also found that post, but it isn't quite what I was looking for. Maybe my imagination is just making up things. Thanks Michael. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Hi Are you thinking of the arrangement that one of the audiophile record companies use? Near coincident fig 8's plus an omni pointing in. Every Blessing Tony -Original Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Eero Aro Sent: 02 March 2013 11:06 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards? Michael Chapman wrote: 1) Don't think this is it, but better to forward than delete ? Yes, I also found that post, but it isn't quite what I was looking for. Maybe my imagination is just making up things. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Tony wrote: Are you thinking of the arrangement that one of the audiophile record companies use? Near coincident fig 8's plus an omni pointing in. No. I am writing an article about an un-orthodox stereo recording setup, common acoustical point. Two cardioids with a reasonably long spacing, pointing towards a single source, so that the on axis directions cross. The setup works and has some advantages compared to mono miking and it works well with single instruments and in a reasonably anechoic recording space. But as you see, it isn't a stereo recording setup as such. It's more like a twin mono miking setup. You need to be careful not to create comb filtering. The setup reminded me of a discussion of a similar type surround recording setup. Four or several mics on a circle around the source would capture a LOT more time and phase differences between the channels than a stereo setup. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Hi Not come across that one! I often use ORTF stereo set-ups, especially if I don't want the pin point accuracy of Blumhein. I'd be interested if you do turn up a reference. I've used the Faulkner array of spaced figure of eights with some success. I did read that he'd more recently added further mics - I can't remember/find the ref. now - maybe it was in Resolution magazine. I thought I'd kept the article, but I can/t find it in my file, and there doesn't seem to be anything on the web. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Every Blessing Tony -Original Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Eero Aro Sent: 02 March 2013 17:17 To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards? Tony wrote: Are you thinking of the arrangement that one of the audiophile record companies use? Near coincident fig 8's plus an omni pointing in. No. I am writing an article about an un-orthodox stereo recording setup, common acoustical point. Two cardioids with a reasonably long spacing, pointing towards a single source, so that the on axis directions cross. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
[Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Hi All I have been spending some time looking for a thread that I think we had ages ago about a surround sound microphone setup, in which the microphones would not be pointing outwards from a point, but inwards. Is there anyone who would remember that thread? I only found three posts of a short thread started by Etienne on Nov 14 2002. Somehow I feel like there has also been another more lively discussion about a similar subject. Maybe I just don't find the right words for my search in the Archive. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
Re: [Sursound] Looking for a very, very old thread - mics pointing inwards?
Hi All I have been spending some time looking for a thread that I think we had ages ago about a surround sound microphone setup, in which the microphones would not be pointing outwards from a point, but inwards. Is there anyone who would remember that thread? I only found three posts of a short thread started by Etienne on Nov 14 2002. Somehow I feel like there has also been another more lively discussion about a similar subject. Maybe I just don't find the right words for my search in the Archive. 1) Don't think this is it, but better to forward than delete ? Jörn Nettingsmeier | 17 Jan 2011 14:45 Re: good quality low noise yet miraculously cheap cardiod/unidirectional microphones ? On 01/17/2011 02:33 PM, Paul Hodges wrote: --On 17 January 2011 14:08 +0100 Jörn Nettingsmeier nettings at stackingdwarves.net wrote: if you want to use cardioids, your best bet will be three at 120° angles. As briefly used by Michael Gerzon: http://www.michaelgerzonphotos.org.uk/microphones-calrecs.html interesting. i would have stacked them, for perfect horizontal coincidence. if used like this, does the array require correction filters? and isn't it a problem that frontal sound hits the front microphone after the rear ones, or can it be corrected? if it can be corrected, why aren't we all using four schoeps or b+k cardioids in an inverted tetrahedron, i.e. pointing inwards? or On 01/17/2011 02:33 PM, Paul Hodges wrote: --On 17 January 2011 14:08 +0100 J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: if you want to use cardioids, your best bet will be three at 120? angles. As briefly used by Michael Gerzon: http://www.michaelgerzonphotos.org.uk/microphones-calrecs.html interesting. i would have stacked them, for perfect horizontal coincidence. if used like this, does the array require correction filters? and isn't it a problem that frontal sound hits the front microphone after the rear ones, or can it be corrected? if it can be corrected, why aren't we all using four schoeps or b+k cardioids in an inverted tetrahedron, i.e. pointing inwards? Perhaps not old enough ... 2) Certainly look at http://www.michaelgerzonphotos.org.uk/microphones-calrecs.html and maybe search for links to that ? Good luck ! Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
