Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-27 Thread fieldsparrow
Thank you Elan and Marty for your contributions to this discussion. I 
have been active in social justice movements for many years and have 
experience with this organizing approach of white folks coming together 
to work on things in hopes of that leading to active solidarity with 
people of color led movement.  And, I too, have some mixed feelings 
about the approach.

That being said, I also feel that some of the comments made in this 
thread are yet again very solid examples of the lack of race and class 
(among other things) analysis within mainstream environmental activism.  
Talking about race in its scientific context or identifying as part of 
the human race solely or feeling like being called 'white' is somehow 
racist are all ways in which white supremacy plays itself out.  Yes, we 
live in a white supremacist world, a white supremacist society;  we live 
in a country founded and built on genocide, slavery and an ongoing 
structural racism. This could not be more apparent in how the effects of 
environmental degredation and climate change are affecting populations 
in different ways including people of color and poor people bearing the 
brunt of it.

If we are ever even remotely going to consider a future planet that 
survives and thrives from an environmental standpoint, we are going to 
have to recognize that that is not separate from the ways that 
oppressions play themselves out in our world and we can't win one fight 
without the other.  So, yea, maybe I am unsure about the proposed 
approach by SURJ - if people want to have a reasoned, respectful debate 
on why that may or may not be a good approach in general or here in 
Ithaca, I'd love to have that conversation.

But either way, I would really like to challenge folks here on thinking 
about how desperately needed it is for white people deal with their own 
racism (yes, we're all racist, we all have work to do on that) and 
center that in any struggle they are part of for a better world.  It is 
the only way those struggles will ever go anywhere.

my thoughts,
oona


---
The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not 
made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women 
created for men. - Alice Walker

On 8/24/15 4:03 PM, Marty Hiller wrote:
 My impression, FWIW, is that the purpose of having whites meet separately 
 is so we can participate actively in the movement for equality without the 
 emotional charge that's attached to speaking up about race at events 
 organized by people of color. This is a situation where carrying the dominant 
 skin color genuinely limits our ability to contribute, and I think there's 
 some value in creating a separate forum for us to vent about the issues and 
 search for ways that we can contribute as allies.

 However, I have to admit I have mixed feelings when I think about the 
 analogous situation WRT gender. This is very similar to the conversation 
 women have had about men dominating the airspace in mixed-gender feminist 
 groups, and claiming authority to speak on our behalf. But when men started 
 meeting separately, the movement they formed did not end up serving equality. 
 Instead the leaders that emerged sought to re-establish the old world order 
 in which men acted as protectors and providers and took pride in that role 
 (e.g. Robert Bly, Louis Farrakhan.) And while I grant that men acting as 
 protectors and providers is a step up from men acting as irresponsible 
 deadbeats who leech off women and abandon them (e.g. Jack Kerouac) or 
 playboys who champion free love and treat marriage as a trap to be avoided 
 (e.g. Hugh Hefner,) it's still a far cry from equality. The men who sincerely 
 tried to further feminism were characterized as sissies and fakers (Sensitive 
 New Age Guys,) and their movement died along with their image.

 So while it's clear that whites have to step up to the plate to help solve 
 this problem, I think we're at great risk of falling prey to our own 
 prejudices in the process. It's risky to create such a group, and it's only 
 acceptable to the extent that they work closely with, and in deference to, 
 their sister organizations among people of color.
 - Marty
   

 On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Pegi Ficken fp...@hotmail.com wrote:

 How about the designation of race as human. That's the only race I can 
 identify.

 Pegi

 From: rltcay...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation
 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:56:38 -0400
 To: sustainable_tompkins-l@list.cornell.edu

 Point taken about race.
   Let's realize that race (social construct) only matters as people behave 
 as if it were real
 thereby creating social structures.   As they say, soft ideas with hard 
 consequences.
   And the consequences are all around us, not the least of which is knowing 
 that nonwhites
 can't expect to be treated with dignity in public spaces.

 I, for one, recognize the caste-like (black/white) race system

Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-24 Thread Elan Shapiro
Why whites?

 Hi Dave
I take it as a given that race is an ever shifting *social construct,*
nonetheless used to create enormous negative impact on most of the world's
people.  Most  people of color I know who work for racial justice recognize
the value of whites (also a social construct) educating whites for a
significant part of the struggle because its simply too exhausting and
overwhelming for people of color to continuously be called on to pierce the
layers of miseducation, denial of gross disadvantage that they experience,
and of the subliminal *or* blatant bias that the vast majority of US
citizens carry. The message to me is : First, once you get it , work on
your own people, and use your advantages constructively for the benefit of
all who are less advantaged. Be in solidarity and support when needed and
asked for, but most of all communicate the urgency, outrageous unfairness,
and the avenues for structural and systemic change,  to people who you can
most influence.

also see, in the message that went out:

*Why so white?*

We know, we know. The notion of showing up to a space that is intentionally
held for anti-racist white folks can seem counter-intuitive, and awkward.
To learn more about the strategy behind this, read about SURJ's dedication
to accountability  http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability
here. http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability

In the words of one SURJ Ithaca member, *In my life's work, this has
been the first time I have ever been a part of a group that is
intentionally built for white folks who are interested in helping move
towards a racially just society. My personal life is far more diverse than
that, so the concept did feel awkward to me at first. But after being a
part of so many racial justice groups that ended up being
dominated/distracted by well-intentioned white folks, I try to listen to my
brothers  sisters of color, who, in my world, have been very encouraging
of white folks to find their own spaces/angles to do this work from. There
are ways for us to all work together, and respect the different angles we
are working from.*

*SURJ's work is informed by freedom fighters of color, and has a powerful
alliance with the current Black Lives Matter movement. For instance, at the
recent Black Lives Convening conference in Cleveland, **this message from
SURJ * http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/cleveland

*was posted  shared on their website. As someone who deeply respects the
powerful origins of the BLM movement, I also respect the white counterpart
organization that they have thoughtfully collaborated with, and trust that
as a space where I can do my best work.*
Thanks for listening
Elan Shapiro



On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, David Peter McCobb d...@cornell.edu
wrote:

 Joanna, why advertise as for white people? For me this just continues the
 silly binary tradition. I prefer to consider myself light brown, deep tan
 in parts, am proud of a perhaps tiny fraction of Native American blood on
 my half Canadian French side, and of my european ethnic or at least
 national diversity. I think most blacks are really of mixed blood, though
 they are, I suspect they are admonished or discredited for acknowledging
 white impurities. Even our president is typically taken to be simply back,
 even though he has every right to be proud of his blend. Someday in this
 country maybe we will be comfortable that we are all heterozygous, and all
 the same species. And monkeys with clothes on, as I am fond of saying!
 David
 David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
 Neurobiology and Behavior
 Cornell University
 Ithaca, NY 14853


 On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Joanne Cipolla cipol...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Please consider coming to a wonderful gathering of like minded white
 people who want to support the local Black Lives Matter movement.

 Details below..please share with your circles.
 Thanks!
 Joanne Cipolla-Dennis


 Hi fellow racial justice advocates!

 Ithaca has very recently started up a SURJ (Showing Up for Racial Justice)
 http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/about Chapter, and  you're
 invited to participate/co-create this new entity ! You can read a LOT more
 about SURJ  the Ithaca SURJ Chapter below, but we also encourage you to
 show up to our gathering *next Monday, August 24th from 6:30-8:30pm at
 the Quaker Meeting House* (120 3rd St, Ithaca, NY 14850).

 *Feel free to bring a dish to pass, though no pressure! Light dinner foods
 will be provided.

 *What is SURJ?*

 SURJ is a national network of groups and individuals organizing White
 people for racial justice. Through community organizing, mobilizing, and
 education, SURJ moves White people to act as part of a multi-racial
 majority for justice with passion and accountability. We work to connect
 people across the country while supporting and collaborating with local and
 national racial justice organizing efforts. SURJ provides a space to build
 relationships, skills and political analysis to 

Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-24 Thread David Peter McCobb
Joanna, why advertise as for white people? For me this just continues the silly 
binary tradition. I prefer to consider myself light brown, deep tan in parts, 
am proud of a perhaps tiny fraction of Native American blood on my half 
Canadian French side, and of my european ethnic or at least national diversity. 
I think most blacks are really of mixed blood, though they are, I suspect they 
are admonished or discredited for acknowledging white impurities. Even our 
president is typically taken to be simply back, even though he has every right 
to be proud of his blend. Someday in this country maybe we will be comfortable 
that we are all heterozygous, and all the same species. And monkeys with 
clothes on, as I am fond of saying!
David
David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
Neurobiology and Behavior
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853


On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Joanne Cipolla 
cipol...@yahoo.commailto:cipol...@yahoo.com wrote:

Please consider coming to a wonderful gathering of like minded white people who 
want to support the local Black Lives Matter movement.

Details below..please share with your circles.
Thanks!
Joanne Cipolla-Dennis


Hi fellow racial justice advocates!
Ithaca has very recently started up a SURJ (Showing Up for Racial 
Justice)http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/about Chapter, and  you're 
invited to participate/co-create this new entity ! You can read a LOT more 
about SURJ  the Ithaca SURJ Chapter below, but we also encourage you to show 
up to our gathering next Monday, August 24th from 6:30-8:30pm at the Quaker 
Meeting House (120 3rd St, Ithaca, NY 14850).

*Feel free to bring a dish to pass, though no pressure! Light dinner foods will 
be provided.

What is SURJ?

SURJ is a national network of groups and individuals organizing White people 
for racial justice. Through community organizing, mobilizing, and education, 
SURJ moves White people to act as part of a multi-racial majority for justice 
with passion and accountability. We work to connect people across the country 
while supporting and collaborating with local and national racial justice 
organizing efforts. SURJ provides a space to build relationships, skills and 
political analysis to act for change. Read more 
herehttp://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/about!

Why so white?

We know, we know. The notion of showing up to a space that is intentionally 
held for anti-racist white folks can seem counter-intuitive, and awkward. To 
learn more about the strategy behind this, read about SURJ's dedication to 
accountability http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability 
here.http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability

In the words of one SURJ Ithaca member, In my life's work, this has been the 
first time I have ever been a part of a group that is intentionally built for 
white folks who are interested in helping move towards a racially just society. 
My personal life is far more diverse than that, so the concept did feel awkward 
to me at first. But after being a part of so many racial justice groups that 
ended up being dominated/distracted by well-intentioned white folks, I try to 
listen to my brothers  sisters of color, who, in my world, have been very 
encouraging of white folks to find their own spaces/angles to do this work 
from. There are ways for us to all work together, and respect the different 
angles we are working from.

SURJ's work is informed by freedom fighters of color, and has a powerful 
alliance with the current Black Lives Matter movement. For instance, at the 
recent Black Lives Convening conference in Cleveland, this message from SURJ 
http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/cleveland was posted  shared on 
their website. As someone who deeply respects the powerful origins of the BLM 
movement, I also respect the white counterpart organization that they have 
thoughtfully collaborated with, and trust that as a space where I can do my 
best work.

What do we do?

SURJ Ithaca is in its formative stages, so we encourage you to be a part of the 
co-creation process and help develop a space that you want to come to. We have 
no interest in adding another obligation onto your schedule, but rather, a 
healing, learning, building, and active space where we can learn from each 
other, process together, and also delve into creative racial justice  work in 
the 
political/poetic/organized/artistic/educational/structural/institutional/justice
 realm(s). A place where we can show up for racial justice, and work towards 
the institutional  interpersonal co-liberation of both our brothers  sisters, 
and ourselves. Because as many of us know, these spaces are few  far between, 
and the lives of the people we love,  the wellness of this country is 
depending on it.

Much love,
Eden Connelly, Kate Cardina , Reed Steberger , Elan Shapiro

Eden Connelly
Project Development
 Engagement Coordinator
Multicultural Resource Center
ec...@cornell.edumailto:ec...@cornell.edu
(607) 272-2292 ext 135

RE: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-24 Thread Hilary Lambert
Non-whites will be denied admission?

 

From: bounce-119564398-12863...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-119564398-12863...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of David Peter
McCobb
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:41 AM
To: SUSTAINABLE_TOMPKINS-L
Subject: Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

 

Why not just say people, and let it appeal to whoever is interested?

I personally resent being called white, and can't help hearing it as racist.

David

David P. McCobb, Ph.D. 

Neurobiology and Behavior

Cornell University

Ithaca, NY 14853

 


On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Elan Shapiro elanshapiro...@gmail.com wrote:

Why whites? 

 Hi Dave 
I take it as a given that race is an ever shifting social construct,
nonetheless used to create enormous negative impact on most of the world's
people.  Most  people of color I know who work for racial justice recognize
the value of whites (also a social construct) educating whites for a
significant part of the struggle because its simply too exhausting and
overwhelming for people of color to continuously be called on to pierce the
layers of miseducation, denial of gross disadvantage that they experience,
and of the subliminal or blatant bias that the vast majority of US citizens
carry. The message to me is : First, once you get it , work on your own
people, and use your advantages constructively for the benefit of all who
are less advantaged. Be in solidarity and support when needed and asked for,
but most of all communicate the urgency, outrageous unfairness, and the
avenues for structural and systemic change,  to people who you can most
influence.   

also see, in the message that went out: 

Why so white?

 

We know, we know. The notion of showing up to a space that is intentionally
held for anti-racist white folks can seem counter-intuitive, and awkward. To
learn more about the strategy behind this, read about SURJ's dedication to
accountability http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability
here. http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability 

 

In the words of one SURJ Ithaca member, In my life's work, this has been
the first time I have ever been a part of a group that is intentionally
built for white folks who are interested in helping move towards a racially
just society. My personal life is far more diverse than that, so the concept
did feel awkward to me at first. But after being a part of so many racial
justice groups that ended up being dominated/distracted by well-intentioned
white folks, I try to listen to my brothers  sisters of color, who, in my
world, have been very encouraging of white folks to find their own
spaces/angles to do this work from. There are ways for us to all work
together, and respect the different angles we are working from.

 

SURJ's work is informed by freedom fighters of color, and has a powerful
alliance with the current Black Lives Matter movement. For instance, at the
recent Black Lives Convening conference in Cleveland,
http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/cleveland this message from SURJ
was posted  shared on their website. As someone who deeply respects the
powerful origins of the BLM movement, I also respect the white counterpart
organization that they have thoughtfully collaborated with, and trust that
as a space where I can do my best work.

Thanks for listening

Elan Shapiro 



 

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, David Peter McCobb d...@cornell.edu
wrote:

Joanna, why advertise as for white people? For me this just continues the
silly binary tradition. I prefer to consider myself light brown, deep tan in
parts, am proud of a perhaps tiny fraction of Native American blood on my
half Canadian French side, and of my european ethnic or at least national
diversity. I think most blacks are really of mixed blood, though they are, I
suspect they are admonished or discredited for acknowledging white
impurities. Even our president is typically taken to be simply back, even
though he has every right to be proud of his blend. Someday in this country
maybe we will be comfortable that we are all heterozygous, and all the same
species. And monkeys with clothes on, as I am fond of saying!

David
David P. McCobb, Ph.D. 

Neurobiology and Behavior

Cornell University

Ithaca, NY 14853

 


On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Joanne Cipolla cipol...@yahoo.com wrote:

Please consider coming to a wonderful gathering of like minded white people
who want to support the local Black Lives Matter movement.

 

Details below..please share with your circles.

Thanks! 

Joanne Cipolla-Dennis

 

 

Hi fellow racial justice advocates! 

Ithaca has very recently started up a
http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/about  SURJ (Showing Up for
Racial Justice) Chapter, and  you're invited to participate/co-create this
new entity ! You can read a LOT more about SURJ  the Ithaca SURJ Chapter
below, but we also encourage you to show up to our gathering next Monday,
August 24th from 6:30-8:30pm at the Quaker Meeting House (120 3rd

Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-24 Thread Regi Teasley
Point taken about race. 
 Let's realize that race (social construct) only matters as people behave as 
if it were real 
thereby creating social structures.   As they say, soft ideas with hard 
consequences.
 And the consequences are all around us, not the least of which is knowing that 
nonwhites 
can't expect to be treated with dignity in public spaces.

I, for one, recognize the caste-like (black/white) race system in the U.S. (And 
sorting of 
others such as Asians into fictional categories.). When there is a race 
system present, 
every person has a race designation.
 
 I self-identify as Euro-American.  Still, I. can understand the need for 
so-called whites 
to become more aware of how pervasive and insidious the race system is and how 
best to 
resist and confront it so as not to be complicit in it.

'Nuff said?

Regi
(Sociologist by trade)

Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love everything, 
you will perceive the divine mystery in things.  Dostoyevsky.


 On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, David Peter McCobb d...@cornell.edu wrote:
 
 Why not just say people, and let it appeal to whoever is interested?
 I personally resent being called white, and can't help hearing it as racist.
 David
 
 David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
 Neurobiology and Behavior
 Cornell University
 Ithaca, NY 14853
 
 
 On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Elan Shapiro elanshapiro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why whites? 
 
  Hi Dave 
 I take it as a given that race is an ever shifting social construct, 
 nonetheless used to create enormous negative impact on most of the world's 
 people.  Most  people of color I know who work for racial justice recognize 
 the value of whites (also a social construct) educating whites for a 
 significant part of the struggle because its simply too exhausting and 
 overwhelming for people of color to continuously be called on to pierce the 
 layers of miseducation, denial of gross disadvantage that they experience, 
 and of the subliminal or blatant bias that the vast majority of US citizens 
 carry. The message to me is : First, once you get it , work on your own 
 people, and use your advantages constructively for the benefit of all who 
 are less advantaged. Be in  solidarity and support when needed and asked 
 for, but most of all communicate the urgency, outrageous unfairness, and the 
 avenues for structural and systemic change,  to people who you can most 
 influence.   
 
 also see, in the message that went out: 
 
 Why so white?
 
 We know, we know. The notion of showing up to a space that is intentionally 
 held for anti-racist white folks can seem counter-intuitive, and awkward. To 
 learn more about the strategy behind this, read about SURJ's dedication to 
 accountability here.
 
 In the words of one SURJ Ithaca member, In my life's work, this has been 
 the first time I have ever been a part of a group that is intentionally 
 built for white folks who are interested in helping move towards a racially 
 just society. My personal life is far more diverse than that, so the concept 
 did feel awkward to me at first. But after being a part of so many racial 
 justice groups that ended up being dominated/distracted by well-intentioned 
 white folks, I try to listen to my brothers  sisters of color, who, in my 
 world, have been very encouraging of white folks to find their own 
 spaces/angles to do this work from. There are ways for us to all work 
 together, and respect the different angles we are working from.
 
 SURJ's work is informed by freedom fighters of color, and has a powerful 
 alliance with the current Black Lives Matter movement. For instance, at the 
 recent Black Lives Convening conference in Cleveland, this message from SURJ 
 was posted  shared on their website. As someone who deeply respects the 
 powerful origins of the BLM movement, I also respect the white counterpart 
 organization that they have thoughtfully collaborated with, and trust that 
 as a space where I can do my best work.
 
 Thanks for listening
 Elan Shapiro 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, David Peter McCobb d...@cornell.edu 
 wrote:
 Joanna, why advertise as for white people? For me this just continues the 
 silly binary tradition. I prefer to consider myself light brown, deep tan 
 in parts, am proud of a perhaps tiny fraction of Native American blood on 
 my half Canadian French side, and of my european ethnic or at least 
 national diversity. I think most blacks are really of mixed blood, though 
 they are, I suspect they are admonished or discredited for acknowledging 
 white impurities. Even our president is typically taken to be simply back, 
 even though he has every right to be proud of his blend. Someday in this 
 country maybe we will be comfortable that we are all heterozygous, and all 
 the same species. And monkeys with clothes on, as I am fond of saying!
 David
 David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
 Neurobiology and Behavior
 Cornell University
 Ithaca, NY 14853
 
 
 On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:41 AM, 

RE: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-24 Thread Pegi Ficken
How about the designation of race as human. That's the only race I can 
identify.

Pegi

From: rltcay...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:56:38 -0400
To: sustainable_tompkins-l@list.cornell.edu

Point taken about race.  Let's realize that race (social construct) only 
matters as people behave as if it were real thereby creating social structures. 
  As they say, soft ideas with hard consequences. And the consequences are 
all around us, not the least of which is knowing that nonwhites can't expect 
to be treated with dignity in public spaces.
I, for one, recognize the caste-like (black/white) race system in the U.S. (And 
sorting of others such as Asians into fictional categories.). When there is a 
race system present, every person has a race designation.  I self-identify as 
Euro-American.  Still, I. can understand the need for so-called whites to 
become more aware of how pervasive and insidious the race system is and how 
best to resist and confront it so as not to be complicit in it.
'Nuff said?
Regi(Sociologist by trade)

Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love everything, 
you will perceive the divine mystery in things.  Dostoyevsky.

On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, David Peter McCobb d...@cornell.edu wrote:






Why not just say people, and let it appeal to whoever is interested?
I personally resent being called white, and can't help hearing it as racist.
David



David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
Neurobiology and Behavior
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853






On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Elan Shapiro elanshapiro...@gmail.com wrote:










Why whites? 



 Hi Dave 

I take it as a given that race is an ever shifting social construct, 
nonetheless used to create enormous negative impact on most of the world's 
people.  Most  people of color I know who work for racial justice recognize the 
value of whites (also a social
 construct) educating whites for a significant part of the struggle because its 
simply too exhausting and overwhelming for people of color to continuously be 
called on to pierce the layers of miseducation, denial of gross disadvantage 
that they experience,
 and of the subliminal or blatant bias that the vast majority of US citizens 
carry. The message to me is : First, once you get it , work on your own 
people, and use your advantages constructively for the benefit of all who are 
less advantaged. Be in
 solidarity and support when needed and asked for, but most of all communicate 
the urgency, outrageous unfairness, and the avenues for structural and systemic 
change,  to people who you can most influence.  






also see, in the message that went out: 





Why so white?





We know, we know. The notion of showing up to a space that is intentionally 
held for anti-racist white folks can seem counter-intuitive, and awkward. To 
learn more about the strategy behind this, read
 about SURJ's dedication to accountability here.





In the words of one SURJ Ithaca member, In my
 life's work, this has been the first time I have ever been a part of a group 
that is intentionally built for white folks who are interested in helping move 
towards a racially just society. My personal life is far more diverse than 
that, so the concept did
 feel awkward to me at first. But after being a part of so many racial justice 
groups that ended up being dominated/distracted by well-intentioned white 
folks, I try to listen to my brothers  sisters of color, who, in my world, 
have been very encouraging of
 white folks to find their own spaces/angles to do this work from. There are 
ways for us to all work together, and respect the different angles we are 
working from.






SURJ's work is informed by freedom fighters of color, and has a powerful 
alliance with the current Black Lives Matter movement. For instance, at the 
recent Black Lives Convening conference
 in Cleveland, this message from SURJ was
 posted  shared on their website. As someone who deeply respects the powerful 
origins of the BLM movement, I also respect the white counterpart organization 
that they have thoughtfully collaborated with, and trust that as a space where 
I can do my best work.




Thanks for listening


Elan Shapiro











On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, David Peter McCobb 
d...@cornell.edu wrote:



Joanna, why advertise as for white people? For me this just continues the silly 
binary tradition. I prefer to consider myself light brown, deep tan in parts, 
am proud of a perhaps tiny fraction of Native American blood on my half 
Canadian French side,
 and of my european ethnic or at least national diversity. I think most blacks 
are really of mixed blood, though they are, I suspect they are admonished or 
discredited for acknowledging white impurities. Even our president is typically 
taken to be simply back,
 even though he has every right to be proud of his blend. Someday in this 
country maybe we will be comfortable

Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation

2015-08-24 Thread David Peter McCobb
Then species and race are redundant. Race is an important concept, e.g., for 
scholars, but is problematic for application to individuals because of rich 
underlying subdivision, fuzzy boundaries, and particularly for the rapid 
interbreeding of recent (though by no means exclusively recent) history.

David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
Neurobiology and Behavior
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853


On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Pegi Ficken 
fp...@hotmail.commailto:fp...@hotmail.com wrote:

How about the designation of race as human. That's the only race I can 
identify.

Pegi


From: rltcay...@gmail.commailto:rltcay...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [sustainable_tompkins-l] Fw: TONIGHT: Invitatation
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:56:38 -0400
To: 
sustainable_tompkins-l@list.cornell.edumailto:sustainable_tompkins-l@list.cornell.edu

Point taken about race.
 Let's realize that race (social construct) only matters as people behave as 
if it were real
thereby creating social structures.   As they say, soft ideas with hard 
consequences.
 And the consequences are all around us, not the least of which is knowing that 
nonwhites
can't expect to be treated with dignity in public spaces.

I, for one, recognize the caste-like (black/white) race system in the U.S. (And 
sorting of
others such as Asians into fictional categories.). When there is a race 
system present,
every person has a race designation.

 I self-identify as Euro-American.  Still, I. can understand the need for 
so-called whites
to become more aware of how pervasive and insidious the race system is and how 
best to
resist and confront it so as not to be complicit in it.

'Nuff said?

Regi
(Sociologist by trade)

Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love everything, 
you will perceive the divine mystery in things.  Dostoyevsky.


On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, David Peter McCobb 
d...@cornell.edumailto:d...@cornell.edu wrote:

Why not just say people, and let it appeal to whoever is interested?
I personally resent being called white, and can't help hearing it as racist.
David

David P. McCobb, Ph.D.
Neurobiology and Behavior
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853


On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Elan Shapiro 
elanshapiro...@gmail.commailto:elanshapiro...@gmail.com wrote:

Why whites?

 Hi Dave
I take it as a given that race is an ever shifting social construct, 
nonetheless used to create enormous negative impact on most of the world's 
people.  Most  people of color I know who work for racial justice recognize the 
value of whites (also a social construct) educating whites for a significant 
part of the struggle because its simply too exhausting and overwhelming for 
people of color to continuously be called on to pierce the layers of 
miseducation, denial of gross disadvantage that they experience, and of the 
subliminal or blatant bias that the vast majority of US citizens carry. The 
message to me is : First, once you get it , work on your own people, and use 
your advantages constructively for the benefit of all who are less advantaged. 
Be in solidarity and support when needed and asked for, but most of all 
communicate the urgency, outrageous unfairness, and the avenues for structural 
and systemic change,  to people who you can most influence.

also see, in the message that went out:

Why so white?

We know, we know. The notion of showing up to a space that is intentionally 
held for anti-racist white folks can seem counter-intuitive, and awkward. To 
learn more about the strategy behind this, read about SURJ's dedication to 
accountability http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability 
here.http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/accountability

In the words of one SURJ Ithaca member, In my life's work, this has been the 
first time I have ever been a part of a group that is intentionally built for 
white folks who are interested in helping move towards a racially just society. 
My personal life is far more diverse than that, so the concept did feel awkward 
to me at first. But after being a part of so many racial justice groups that 
ended up being dominated/distracted by well-intentioned white folks, I try to 
listen to my brothers  sisters of color, who, in my world, have been very 
encouraging of white folks to find their own spaces/angles to do this work 
from. There are ways for us to all work together, and respect the different 
angles we are working from.

SURJ's work is informed by freedom fighters of color, and has a powerful 
alliance with the current Black Lives Matter movement. For instance, at the 
recent Black Lives Convening conference in Cleveland, this message from SURJ 
http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/cleveland was posted  shared on 
their website. As someone who deeply respects the powerful origins of the BLM 
movement, I also respect the white counterpart organization that they have 
thoughtfully collaborated with, and trust that as a space where I can do my 
best work.

Thanks