[biofuels-biz] Queensland Contacts
Hi Bio-fuels biz group. I am presently considering setting-up to make my own biodiesel and possibly more for others to use. Is there anyone else in the Brisbane or Ipswich area in Queensland (Australia) presently making, using or selling Biodiesel? Regards, Lyle Chapman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/QzLWzD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Queensland Contacts
G'day Lyle, I'm in Hemmant in Brisbane. Considering setting up a still for my own use, however would be easier to combine assets. My ph # is 0401 410 511 or 3890 1716... Barry Lewis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol - 11th Enc. Britannical entry
From the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition (1910): METHYL ALCOHOL (CH3OH),the simplest aliphatic alcohol; an impure form is known in commerce as wood-spirit, being produced in the destructive distillation of wood. The name methyl, from [EMAIL PROTECTED], wine, I%?J, wood, explains its origin. Discovered by Boyle in 1661, it was first carefully studied by Dumas and Pligot in 1831; its synthesis from its elements (through methane and methyl chloride)was effected by Berthelot in 1858. It is manufactured by distilling wood in iron retorts at about 500¡C., when an aqueous distillate, containing methyl alcohol, acetone, acetic acid and methyl acetic ester, is obtained. This is neutralized with lime and redistilled in order to remove acetic acid. The distillate is treated with anhydrous calcium chloride, the crystalline compound formed with the alcohol being separated and decomposed by redistilling with water. The aqueous product is then dehydrated with potash or lime. To obtain it perfectly pure the crude alcohol is combined with benzoic or acetic acid, and the resulting ester separated, purified, and finally decomposed with potash. Methyl alcohol is also obtained in the dry distillation of molasses. The amount of methyl alcohol present in wood spirit is determined by converting it into methyl iodide by acting with phosphorus iodide; and the acetone by converting it into iodoform by boiling with an alkaline solution of iodine in potassium iodide; ethyl alcohol is detected by giving acetylene on heating with concentrated sulphuric acid, methyl alcohol, under the same circumstances, giving methyl ether. Pure methyl alcohol is a colourless mobile liquid, boiling at 66¡-67¡,and having a specific gravity of 0.8142 at 0¡C. If has a burning taste, and generally a spirituous odour but when absolutely pure it is said to be odourless. It mixes in all proportions with water, alcohol and ether. Its compound with calcium chloride has the formula CaCl2.4CH3.OH, and with barium oxide BaO.2CH3OH. Oxidation gives formaldehyde, formic acid and carbonic acid; chlorine and bromine react, but less readily than with ethyl alcohol. The chief industrial applications are for making denatured alcohol (q.v.), and as a solvent, e.g. in varnish manufacture; it is also used for a fuel; a purer product is extensively used in the colour and fine chemical industries. -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 Rather than make war on the American people and their liberties, ...Congress should be looking for ways to empower them to protect themselves when warranted. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iHh8lD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] water from the bubble washing of
I don't agree with the disposal concept either, and i know what to do with my glycerin, but, what can I do with the bubble washing water? i don't sleep happily knowing that i'm throwing all that stuff throught the toilett thanks Manolo Rolan Valencia, Spain -Mensaje original- De: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2001 7:44 Para: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Asunto: RE: [biofuel] water from the bubble washing of I was treating my waste glycerin by leaving it out in the sun for a few weeks, and later putting a bubbler in it to evaporate the methanol. I am building a vacuum distiller that I can use to recover the methanol and reuse it. I believe that all the other stuff (lye, glycerin,leftover fry bits ) are O.K to put down the drain in small quantities, as per the advice of someone who works in the SF water department that said it will all get digested along with the poop. I imagine large quantities, whatever that may constitute, would be a problem, but I have also been told that a constructed wetland water treatment system could handle a fair amount of this stuff, as long as one were able to give a more constant stream to build up the kind of bacteria that would be able to deal with that specific brew of stuff. There, now I've said it... some biodieselers put the waste down the drain. Any thoughts about that out there? I notice that the veggievan book, and if I recall correctly, the journey to forever site, too, are silent on the subject of getting rid of glyc. except for the compost heap, which can easily be killed by large amounts. anton Hello Anton Journey to Forever has a whole big page on the many uses of glycerin. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html We don't discuss disposal, no - don't agree with the concept. We've discussed uses here on this list previously. Here's a new one on me, from the Distillers list: Glycerine is used to artificially 'age' your spirit and give it a little more mouthfeel and smoothness. Really good for liqueurs in combination with the sugar syrup. This and other smoothing/aging tricks are on Tony's website under 'Flavouring Aging'. That's Tony Ackland's excellent site: http://www.homedistiller.org http://www.homedistiller.org If you're killing your compost, add more browns (aka dries), now's the time for autumn leaves. No good for red worms until it's been composted first, by the way (kills 'em). Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ http://journeytoforever.org/ -anyone has a method to treat the water from the bubble washing of -biodiesel? ... this is a very good question! Somebody must know what is -actually in the dirty water and how much. Then an assessment of how damaging -the dirty water may be to the environment can be made. Large quantities of -this water may pollute local streams or rivers and even wells. Can't be too -careful on issues like this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=879173/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-76f http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705083269:HM/A=879173/rand=242916833 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves
if he did more field standing instead of classroom standing he might be relevant ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves Where's Dr. Pimental stand on this one? (I know , I know out standing in his field...). ;-) Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:24:01 -0700 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 15:09 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves These are not uncommon in corn growing areas of the American Midwest where firewood is more expensive than bulk corn from local farmers. A few farmers in our area use them for corn they grow themselves since it costs less to burn their own corn than sell it and buy other fuel. I can't help but wonder at the energy potental of corn -vs- wood of a given type. Does anyone know the BTU value for a ton of corn? How does that break down for cost? Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves
CORN 1,000 BTU/POUND (56,000 BTU per bushel @ 56 pounds) WOOD 8,600 BTU/POUND Bio - Units and Conversion Factors http://www.geog.umd.edu/homepage/courses/jboberg/units.htm Typical Energy Content of Fossil and Biomass Fuels Solid, Liquid and Gas These are not uncommon in corn growing areas of the American Midwest where firewood is more expensive than bulk corn from local farmers. A few farmers in our area use them for corn they grow themselves since it costs less to burn their own corn than sell it and buy other fuel. I can't help but wonder at the energy potental of corn -vs- wood of a given type. Does anyone know the BTU value for a ton of corn? How does that break down for cost? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4bQK.B/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves
I'm of the understanding that pressurized wood pellets are approximately twice as dense. So the energy content would be approx. twice as much ??? And require about half as much storage volume then cord wood. Corrections are welcomed. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] simple SVO burner design...might work for Glycerin
Louis, I don't know of any plans for SVO burning stoves but we have been using a very simple wick type burner with WVO to provide process heat for our WVO filtering and I don't see why it could not be adapted to other heating needs. I wonder if it might even work to burn the glycerin byproduct of biodiesel production. The basic burner itself is simply a length of auto exhaust tube (we use 2) with two 45 deg. bends six inches apart to form a \/ shape. One end can be left longer and bent to 90 deg. to form the chimney or several burners can be served by a single larger chimney. An air chamber can be constructed around the units but if you intend to use them as a heat source for liquids heat should only be transferred from beyond the burner area since if the metal tube around the wick cannot warm up enough efficiency suffers substantially. The wick is a length of 5/8 inch or larger diameter fiberglass rope gasket which is normally used to seal wood stove doors. Start with a 6 piece and experiment with trimming it until you find a length which produces a clean exhaust after the burner has reached full temp. This most efficient length will depend mostly on the diameter of your tube and the draft created by your chimney. This wick is placed in the bent tube with one end an inch or so from the inlet end of the tube. The SVO must be kept warm enough to flow but should remain at a stable temperature or the viscosity will change necessitating constant attention to the feed flow rate. We use a gravity feed and a small needle valve to regulate the oil flow rate. A felt fuel oil filter is placed in line and a 1/8 id flexible copper pipe is routed from the oil tank to the top of the burner mouth and positioned so that the oil dripping form it falls next to or in front of the wick end. We drill a small hole on the top of the burner tube and route the oil feed pipe through this to help maintain a stable position. That is basically it as far as construction of the burner. It is surprising how much heat a single burner will produce once it gets the oil which accumulates in the bottom of the bent tube burner heated up. For more output we have welded groups of 4 together in a diamond pattern to produce a larger burner. On of our group is planning on building a bank of 200 to convert his maple sap evaporator to SVO. I am sure there are other possibilities. A single burner unit can cleanly combust around 1/2 cup of SVO per hour with a good draft. CAUTIONS!! #1 If you don't get a clean burn and black smoke or carbon bits are coming out of your chimney pipe you are not only wasting fuel and making pollution you are also accumulating carbon and uncombusted oil in your chimney and a risk of it catching fire and this fire spreading exists. I don't think I would trust an old masonry chimney regardless. #2If you are careless at setting your oil flow, your SVO viscosity changes, or your flame blows out a puddle of SVO will accumulate under your burner and a possibility of spreading fire exists. At the very least place a smoke detector close to any stove you make using this burner and invest in a good fire extinguisher. Experiment with the burner in a safe place and get to know it well before you leave it unattended. I would be very interested to know the results if anyone tries to use this to burn glycerin biodiesel byproduct. If anyone further develops the simple burner please share the info freely. What goes around comes around. Dana - Original Message - From: Louie Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves the kernals poping before they burn would drive anyone crazy. i sure would know if there is a stove or plans out there to burn WVO. LOUIS __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] simple SVO burner design...might work for Glycerin
thanks Dana i'm just finnishing building my 4th airplane. i built a wast oil furnace for my shop this summer. it's working fine , but it needs electricity and compressed air to work. i want to start experiment on a heater that uses wvo that uses no power . louis - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] simple SVO burner design...might work for Glycerin Louis, I don't know of any plans for SVO burning stoves but we have been using a very simple wick type burner with WVO to provide process heat for our WVO filtering and I . . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: molecular sieves for dehydrating ethanol
If I remember right, people used to burn lime (CaCO3) to make quicklime (CaO). I suppose it would be expensive, but you could take regular lime for adjusting pH in the soil and heat it so it decomposes and releases the CO2 and becomes CaO (it might work if you put a tin under the broiler of your oven or something. I still think that if you can get ahold of some Calcium Chloride (which they use in solution with water for ballast fluid in large farm tires.) We use it all the time in our organnic chemistry lab at college to soak up water from ethers, and alcohols we make in the lab. Swirl about a tablespoon around a 250 mL beaker until it is completely lumped up and keep adding it until the salt doesn't lump anymore. And I was reading earlier about using a lump of Sodium to dry alcohol. Doing that would give you Sodium ethoxide an not ethanol (of course, if that's what you're using to make biodiesel it works. But you risk blowing yourself to kingdom come in the process) JEFF snipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Treating glycerin
I was just thinking that by treating the glycerin biproduct from biodiesel which is sodium glycerate with hydrochloric acid (HCl) you'd end up with a product that is a mixture of table salt and glycerin which could possibly be fed to animals? We have a dairy farm and feed the cows something close to 3 oz. per day per cow and maybe using the biproduct it would have glycerin in it too so that it could be used as a fat additive in the cows' diet for energy? Anyone have thoughts on this? JEFF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: molecular sieves for dehydrating ethanol
They burned limestone--CaCo3-- at about 1000 degrees and released the CO2 giving CaO, quicklime. The lime in sacks is hydrated calcium oxide and I don't think a stove even on cleaning cycle will dehydrate it. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:26 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: molecular sieves for dehydrating ethanol If I remember right, people used to burn lime (CaCO3) to make quicklime (CaO). I suppose it would be expensive, but you could take regular lime for adjusting pH in the soil and heat it so it decomposes and releases the CO2 and becomes CaO (it might work if you put a tin under the broiler of your oven or something. I still think that if you can get ahold of some Calcium Chloride (which they use in solution with water for ballast fluid in large farm tires.) We use it all the time in our organnic chemistry lab at college to soak up water from ethers, and alcohols we make in the lab. Swirl about a tablespoon around a 250 mL beaker until it is completely lumped up and keep adding it until the salt doesn't lump anymore. And I was reading earlier about using a lump of Sodium to dry alcohol. Doing that would give you Sodium ethoxide an not ethanol (of course, if that's what you're using to make biodiesel it works. But you risk blowing yourself to kingdom come in the process) JEFF snipsnipsnipsnipsnipsnip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.292 / Virus Database: 157 - Release Date: 10/26/2001 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: molecular sieves for dehydrating ethanol
Subject: [biofuel] Re: molecular sieves for dehydrating ethanol Hey, it just occured to me that Calicum Carbide might work, you would have to be careful, because it would react with water to produce Aceteline Gas ( it in its self usefull ), I don't know if it would react with the ethanol. Does any of the chemist types out there know? Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/QzLWzD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Cornburning Stoves
Shelled Corn ranges between 8,000 and 10,000 BTU/lb (depending on quality) @15% moisture which is what it is stored at typically - that converts into 180,000 BTU/bu.(avg.) Wood pellets are typically (8000-9000 BTU/ lb.) and online group sells wood pellets for $150/ton which would calculate into about 113,000 Btu/$ (8500 BTU avg/lb) market price for corn is about $1.80-$2.20/bu which would calculate into about 250,000 BTU/$ If you can truck the corn, it is half as expensive to heat as pellets and can typically be burned in pellet stoves. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CORN 1,000 BTU/POUND (56,000 BTU per bushel @ 56 pounds) WOOD 8,600 BTU/POUND Bio - Units and Conversion Factors http://www.geog.umd.edu/homepage/courses/jboberg/units.htm Typical Energy Content of Fossil and Biomass Fuels Solid, Liquid and Gas These are not uncommon in corn growing areas of the American Midwest where firewood is more expensive than bulk corn from local farmers. A few farmers in our area use them for corn they grow themselves since it costs less to burn their own corn than sell it and buy other fuel. I can't help but wonder at the energy potental of corn -vs- wood of a given type. Does anyone know the BTU value for a ton of corn? How does that break down for cost? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Atmospheric particulate content measurement
Hello group I've been asked to help a local town council to source equipment for the measurement of particulate matter in the atmosphere. The test equipment should be capable of measuring down to 2.5 micrometers or smaller. Would anyone happen to know a supplier? Thanks in anticipation James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Atmospheric particulate content measurement
http://www.rpco.com/products/ambprod/amb1400/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:02:53 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Atmospheric particulate content measurement Hello group I've been asked to help a local town council to source equipment for the measurement of particulate matter in the atmosphere. The test equipment should be capable of measuring down to 2.5 micrometers or smaller. Would anyone happen to know a supplier? Thanks in anticipation James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] simple SVO burner design...might work for Glycerin
- Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] simple SVO burner design...might work for Glycerin Louis, No Kidding! I fly a homebuilt too. We looked at the waste oil furnaces that were available either as plans or redi-built and decided early on that we wanted a design that was modular, required no outside power source, required minimal filtering,and was as simple as possible. Essentially the design I described in my previous post is a glorified candle. Can't get much simpler. On one of the early tests I simply set up a single burner and used 20' of exhaust pipe to vent it to a metal chimney. I was amazed at how much heat it produced. You can figure how many burners you need to replace an existng heater by extrapolating BTU value of 1/2 cup of WVO per burner. We do use a warerbed heater to keep the WVO at a constant temp. in an insulated tank but I suspect that if the power went out it would be several days before the WVO changed viscosity significantly. Dana --- Louie Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks Dana i'm just finnishing building my 4th airplane. i built a wast oil furnace for my shop this summer. it's working fine , but it needs electricity and compressed air to work. i want to start experiment on a heater that uses wvo that uses no power . louis __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iHh8lD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water from the bubble washing of
Keith, What proportion of the methanol can you expect to recover using distillation? Ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 27 November 2001 06:43 Subject: RE: [biofuel] water from the bubble washing of I was treating my waste glycerin by leaving it out in the sun for a few weeks, and later putting a bubbler in it to evaporate the methanol. I am building a vacuum distiller that I can use to recover the methanol and reuse it. I believe that all the other stuff (lye, glycerin,leftover fry bits ) are O.K to put down the drain in small quantities, as per the advice of someone who works in the SF water department that said it will all get digested along with the poop. I imagine large quantities, whatever that may constitute, would be a problem, but I have also been told that a constructed wetland water treatment system could handle a fair amount of this stuff, as long as one were able to give a more constant stream to build up the kind of bacteria that would be able to deal with that specific brew of stuff. There, now I've said it... some biodieselers put the waste down the drain. Any thoughts about that out there? I notice that the veggievan book, and if I recall correctly, the journey to forever site, too, are silent on the subject of getting rid of glyc. except for the compost heap, which can easily be killed by large amounts. anton Hello Anton Journey to Forever has a whole big page on the many uses of glycerin. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html We don't discuss disposal, no - don't agree with the concept. We've discussed uses here on this list previously. Here's a new one on me, from the Distillers list: Glycerine is used to artificially 'age' your spirit and give it a little more mouthfeel and smoothness. Really good for liqueurs in combination with the sugar syrup. This and other smoothing/aging tricks are on Tony's website under 'Flavouring Aging'. That's Tony Ackland's excellent site: http://www.homedistiller.org If you're killing your compost, add more browns (aka dries), now's the time for autumn leaves. No good for red worms until it's been composted first, by the way (kills 'em). Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ -anyone has a method to treat the water from the bubble washing of -biodiesel? ... this is a very good question! Somebody must know what is -actually in the dirty water and how much. Then an assessment of how damaging -the dirty water may be to the environment can be made. Large quantities of -this water may pollute local streams or rivers and even wells. Can't be too -careful on issues like this. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/3FDzZA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves
http://burncorn.com/CountrysideCostAnalysis.php Greg and April wrote: I can't help but wonder at the energy potental of corn -vs- wood of a given type. Does anyone know the BTU value for a ton of corn? How does that break down for cost? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] water from the bubble washing of
To:'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: M Rolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:47:10 +0100 Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] water from the bubble washing of what can I do with the bubble washing water? i don't sleep happily knowing that i'm throwing all that stuff throught the toilett I don't either Manolo. Lets hope someone out there can put us out of our misery. -anyone has a method to treat the water from the bubble washing of -biodiesel? ... this is a very good question! Somebody must know what is-actually in the dirty water and how much. Then an assessment of how damaging-the dirty water may be to the environment can be made. Large quantities of -this water may pollute local streams or rivers and even wells. Can't be too-careful on issues like this. Very true James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=879173/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-76f http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705083269:HM/A=879173/rand=242916833 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/f00vhB/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cornburning Stoves
Corn is 9,000BTU @ pound MH wrote: CORN 1,000 BTU/POUND (56,000 BTU per bushel @ 56 pounds) WOOD 8,600 BTU/POUND Where did you get this from? The page you show here doesn't even have corn on it. It has corn cobs and stalks, not shelled corn. Bio - Units and Conversion Factors http://www.geog.umd.edu/homepage/courses/jboberg/units.htm Typical Energy Content of Fossil and Biomass Fuels Solid, Liquid and Gas -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Atmospheric particulate content measurement
http://www.rpco.com/products/ambprod/amb1400/ PERFECT! Thanks a bunch James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Atmospheric particulate content measurement
your welcome . From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:50:12 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Atmospheric particulate content measurement http://www.rpco.com/products/ambprod/amb1400/ PERFECT! Thanks a bunch James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: virus warning
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/gwUrIA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: virus warning
Note: forwarded message attached. Forwarded messages are not attached at this list - no attachments allowed. Hence no viruses, thankyou. The one type of virus that cutting the attachments won't stop, however, is virus warnings such as this one. Not even timely, the warnings have been around for days, cluttering up all the other lists. But thanks anyway, I'm sure you meant well. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/gwUrIA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
