[biofuel] Methinks I got it !
Having re-read the stuff Keith suggested I now understand it much better, than you Keith. I finally got a test batch done with the proper weights ect... I also used tech grade NaOH and got seperation although the top is cloudy, but I figure I could get thnat clear by washing. I only did a very small batch, having nessed up three others:(. I only used half measures, 500ml oil (new canola), 100ml methanol and 1.75gr sodium hydroxide. I mixed the lye and methanol in a beer bottle made by Grolsch which comes with a clip-on top that closes airtight and can take pressure, then mixed it into the oil in the blender and blended for 9 minutes. It didn't seperate immediately but after 45 minutes I had a layer of dark at the bottom and a cloudy apple juice looking stuff on top, so I figure I got it. Maybe ? Sounds like it from what I read about the glycerine, so I am now going to go for a full liter. What an adventurer huh? One problem I had before was the scale I was using. I picked up a kitchen scale from a discount store and found out it was WAY off when I compared what it gave to what I get from the new electronic one I just got (acurate down to 0.01gr). I also found out that I also can get potassium or sodium hydroxide at the same price and it is MUCH cheaper than the other guys were trying to get for equal quallity. Lessons ? Perseverance, Persistence, Patience and Prayer usually give good results :) Thanks for all your help. Hopefully I will post again soon with another positive result. (This must be a scream to those with ooddles of successful batches huh?) Better to make you smile than to make you cry. Have a nice day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: The Oil We Eat: Following the food chain back to Iraq
What I have enjoyed most so far about being in this group is the presentation of ideas that go beyond what I am able to imagine on my own. I've not found the people in my local community that spend their time considering these things. I know that they're out there, I just haven't figured out where to look for them yet. I hope to strive toward self sufficiency, in a community which is self reliant. As others have pointed out, finding others in the community to participate in this type of scheme is not always easy. I once lived among such people, but as we have grown older we have also grown apart, each going our separate ways. Regrettable, but seemingly a normal part of life (people pairing off, raising families, moving out of the area...). I feel like I'm being a bit disorganized in my thoughts here. Hope people don't get too lost trying to follow. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian As usual, there is more to the story than just my mind has been able to imagine on its own. Yes, as usual - I suppose we all say that (or should). But Brian, why leave your mind to imagine on its own? Join and share with others, as you said in another message about bartering knowledge and skills in learning about biofuels. With this particular subject, in its very many facets, there's a tremendous heritage and tradition to gain from and a great deal of excellent work done in the last 80 years or so on top of that, ongoing. Many, many people are working on this, they (we) have good networks, and I'm quite sure that includes imaginative minds near you. I have been thinking a great deal lately about self sufficiency, and taking baby steps toward same. A distinction is made between self-sufficiency and self-reliance. It's perhaps a little concocted but I think it's useful anyway. Community self-reliance is a commonly used term and it's much more forgiving. With self-sufficiency, you'd not only have to make your own biodiesel but your own soap too. With self-reliance, maybe one household which had something to do with catering would supply the WVO, another would make biodiesel, a third would make soap, and they'd share the results, making all three much more efficient than if they each had to do all three of those things. You see the principle. One of the factors in my interest in biofuels. That's also how we see biofuels, as one factor. Biofuels is not our main interest at Journey to Forever - important, yes, but we don't think it's the most important part of our project, just a part. You might care to have a look at the Small Farms section of our website, and the Small Farms online library, and also the Appropriate Technology section. http://journeytoforever.org/farm.html Small farms: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/at.html Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever In this, like everything else in life, what I am learning is that there is always more to learn. :-) Around when my contemporaries started turning 50 I heard quite a lot of them saying things like that (including me), sometimes with some dismay: The more I learn the less I know! I suppose Buckminster Fuller got it right (as usual): The more we learn the more we realize how little we know. No need for dismay. Regard Keith Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian I do have a problem with one point made in this interview. He uses Iowa agriculture destroying natural habitats as an argument that vegetarians are actually more cruel to animals than carnivores. He uses industrialised agriculture as his example far too often, and as a result his entire structure is built on sand. Industrialised agriculture is a very recent and aberrational phase that will soon pass, hardly a basis for considering the whole 10,000 years of agricultural history, along with civilization, the future, and all the fish. If I remember correctly, about 80% of the corn raised in Iowa goes to feed cattle. There are some interesting figures here: US grain exports http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html#grainexports Actually the whole page is interesting. Direct consumption by humans would be much more efficient, meaning less demand and therefore less need to destroy natural habitats. I am primarily vegetarian on these grounds exactly, not due to some concern about harming animals. It's simply more efficient for me to digest plant products myself than to allow some animal to do it for me and then consume the animal. Trouble is, the real problem of agriculture is over-production. There's no shortage of food in the world, a billion-odd people
[biofuel] Biodiesel Class in Tucson, Arizona, May 22, possibly equipment class May 23?
Hello all, Biodiesel homebrewing Class, Tucson, May 22: I'm doing a homebrew biodiesel class in Tucson Arizona on May 22nd, and will be sending out more info about this workshop in a couple of days. The homebrew class will be a 10-5 event, and will cover basics of biodiesel process. I will be demonstrating a home-size reactor for a fullsize batch, and the students will be making and testing smaller 'test batches', with lots of hands-on practice. The cost will be my usual sliding scale $20-$50, no one turned away for lack of funds, etc. if you are interested in more information on this class, please watch the biofuel and biodiesel yahoogroups lists in the next few days when I'll put out more details, or contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Possible Equipment Building Class, May 23: If there is interest, I would also like to run a reactor-building class the following day- May 23. In order to schedule this class, I would like to find someone in that area who wants a homebrew system built so that we have a 'subject' for the class. The system is a water heater-based reactor and a standpipe wash tank plus peripheral gadgets. The cost to you for parts, not counting the used or new electric water heater which you would have to provide, is about $250 for an entire system including reactor and wash tank, bubblewashing and/or mistwashing equipmeent, filter, and methanol recovery condensor. Since I will be traveling, I can't find the water heater for you, and if you can't find a used one, buying a new one usually costs about $200 for a 50 gallon unit. If you are interested in having some equipment built at this class, please contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If we schedule this class I will also be announcing it through the above lists. Thanks! mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] possible Albuquerque biodiesel class, and correction to: Biodiesel Class in Tucson
two more things, 1. the biodiesel homebrew reactor system I'm proposing for the equipment building class below can be seen at www.veggieavenger.com/media under $150 fumeless reactor plans and Sean Parks' Standpipe Wash Tank' threads 2. I am also planning on coming to Albuquerque New Mexico the weekend before, and am hoping to do a class there on may 15th. I will post more info if this class happens which it most likely will. Just like the Tucson message below, I am interested in also having a separate class on biodiesel homebrew equipment building there- If anyone in Albuquerque is interested in building a reactor for an equipment workshop on the 16th of May, please let me know. See Tucson message for further details. 3. If there's a group of folks anywhere along the way from SF to ALbuquerque who wants to host a workshop, particularly shorter evening ones (the 6-hour class can be broken up into two evenings as well), I'm willing to come to Flagstaff or Phoenix or any other towns along the way and do a presentation. I'll be leaving SF on the 10th of May and coming back to SF on the 29th of May, and would love to do more classes in addition to Tucson and ALbuquerque. Please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mark Hello all, Biodiesel homebrewing Class, Tucson, May 22: I'm doing a homebrew biodiesel class in Tucson Arizona on May 22nd, and will be sending out more info about this workshop in a couple of days. The homebrew class will be a 10-5 event, and will cover basics of biodiesel process. I will be demonstrating a home-size reactor for a fullsize batch, and the students will be making and testing smaller 'test batches', with lots of hands-on practice. The cost will be my usual sliding scale $20-$50, no one turned away for lack of funds, etc. if you are interested in more information on this class, please watch the biofuel and biodiesel yahoogroups lists in the next few days when I'll put out more details, or contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Possible Equipment Building Class, May 23: If there is interest, I would also like to run a reactor-building class the following day- May 23. In order to schedule this class, I would like to find someone in that area who wants a homebrew system built so that we have a 'subject' for the class. The system is a water heater-based reactor and a standpipe wash tank plus peripheral gadgets. The cost to you for parts, not counting the used or new electric water heater which you would have to provide, is about $250 for an entire system including reactor and wash tank, bubblewashing and/or mistwashing equipmeent, filter, and methanol recovery condensor. Since I will be traveling, I can't find the water heater for you, and if you can't find a used one, buying a new one usually costs about $200 for a 50 gallon unit. If you are interested in having some equipment built at this class, please contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If we schedule this class I will also be announcing it through the above lists. Thanks! mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel SVO in Columbus, Ohio
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColumbusBiodiesel/ Hello, I have recently decided to pursue the establishment of a Central Ohio Biodiesel Cooperative. I envision this as a source of information to those interested in biodiesel and straight vegetable oil fuel. I see the Coop as an opportunity to promote bio-fuels through community education as well as to support individual's quests to live more sustainably by providing easier, more affordable access to such fuel sources. I have posted a number of informational web links at a newly established yahoo group site. I am in the process of promoting this site to groups and individuals within the Columbus area who might be interested in such an endeavor. Once a reasonable number of people have joined the group and expressed interest in creating such a group in the real world, I intend to set up a local community organizing meeting. There are other Biodiesel Coops throughout the country (most appear to be on the West Coast). Perhaps they can act as models for a Central Ohio Biodiesel Coop. I have posted a number of links to websites with information about biodiesel and veggie oil fuel. If the idea of this group appeals to you, and you live in the Columbus, Ohio area please join. I think this will be a great opportunity for Central Ohio residents to actively pursue cleaner, more sustainable fuel options. To join, follow this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColumbusBiodiesel/ Thank you, Liz Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?
John, We (Neoteric Biofuels, http://biofuels.ca) also do singletank (as well as two-tank.) Our kit is cheaper than Elsbett's, and offers better filtration and easier install, with a self-regulating electric fuel heater that doesn't require the electronic complexity of the Elsbett system. The guy in Berkeley who runs olive oil in his '98 Mercedes is not currently heating his olive oil - something that we don't recommend. Craig Reece On Apr 16, 2004, at 8:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote: does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ? it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible with a few small modifications to the engine:Ê glow plugs, 1 micron filter, etc.Ê certainly this could only work with an oil that doesn't solidify in the tank, i assume, but there's a fellow in berkeley that claims to have done this for 8 months with straight olive oil.Ê I thought that this was simply mechanically impossible? any caveats/opinions? thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol supplies
Michael, Nothing you'll work with is an extreme chemical and there should be no problem acquiring the components. MeOH is a fuel. Bulk fuel distributors should easily be able to get you 20 liter pails or more. KOH can be procured in kg lots from soap making suppliers. NaOH should be available in nearly any hardware store. As for your test batch size? Are you saying that 25 liters is the size of your first test or that this is the first 25 liter batch you're running? If you're stating the former, you would serve yourself well in dropping the volume down to 4% of that. Mistakes are no fun when they occur, especially at such a volume on the first go you have at it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: michael hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol supplies Hi all. I need to purchase some methanol for my first test batch 25ltr would be nice but am having proplems with chemical companys not dealing with jo public. Anyone know of eny freindly suppliers in the Bristol U.K. area Cheers Myke - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
checkout: http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html there are some good links at the end of the article too. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, wwschnabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any information on extracting oil from algae? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Co-op placements?
[Edited to change subject line to reflect content and to remove 8kb of non-relevant previous message. - KA, moderator.] Hello, I am a second year Humber College student studying civil engineering, environmental profile. I am currently looking for possible co-op placements. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. The search is not going all that great. Thanks everyone Stef Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] road use tax?
I picked up a 55 gallon drum of methanol today. I told them that I would be using it to make biodiesel. The supplier asked me to sign a form that states that the methanol would be used for off-road purposes only or be subject to a road use tax. Has anyone run across this and how do you handle it? I just said that I plan to use the biodiesel for our tractor and possibly home heating. (I didn't mention that a lot will probably find it's way into my F250 as well.) Is there a way that we can pay the road use tax? I read on the biodiesel.org site that the tax is $0.244 per gallon. Thanks, Mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Wanted WVO
Hello, I'm looking at setting up a 400 lts/day biodiesel setup for some tribal villages in India, who currently do not have electricity, as WVO is not available in sufficient quantities we are looking to import WVO from the US which seems to have the most of it available. Would anybody be able to point me to a source where I could get source WVO. Thanks, Ravi - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Update to Online Report : Vegetable Oil as a Fuel
I've started updating the report at my website. More text and added images http://www.vegburner.co.uk/dieselengine.html I'm hoping to soon update other pages of the report. Darren Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: road use tax?
Prying eyes and ears can be a problem, if for nothing else but to cause trouble. I tell 'em I want to make fatty acid soap, which, in and of itself, is not untrue, although it ain't the prime reason, and seeing as I am not under oath or at confession, I am in no obligation to tell all the truth and nothing but ALL the truth to a supplier of goodies to make BD with. In short, it ain't necessarily any of their business what I am doing. Signing a form is akin to sending the government a notice of intent, and that is fine if that is what you want to do, and there may in fact be jurisdictions where road tax is applicable and that is every individual's responsibility, although there are also other jurisdictions where this tax has been waved for BD. It could be used for a farm tractor, a diesel generator, a home heating furnace, a refigerated unit for a truck, making soap,ect... all of which are not road taxed. Let us not forget that it is the Rockefellers who set up the oil empire (http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/index.html#metatop is an interesting read) and it is in their best interests (not yours) to see to it that everyone conforms to their pocketbooks and with the complicity of various governments have passed laws to make sure that they get a cut no matter who does what. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark Finewood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked up a 55 gallon drum of methanol today. I told them that I would be using it to make biodiesel. The supplier asked me to sign a form that states that the methanol would be used for off-road purposes only or be subject to a road use tax. Has anyone run across this and how do you handle it? I just said that I plan to use the biodiesel for our tractor and possibly home heating. (I didn't mention that a lot will probably find it's way into my F250 as well.) Is there a way that we can pay the road use tax? I read on the biodiesel.org site that the tax is $0.244 per gallon. Thanks, Mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Methanol supplies
Methanol, methyl alcohol, wood alcohol, wood naphtha, wood spirits, methyl hydrate (or stove fuel), methyl carbinol, carbinol, colonial spirits, Columbian spirits, Manhattan spirits, methylol, methyl hydroxide, pyroxylic spirit -- MeOH, CH3OH, CH40. All the same thing. The above is the answer I got when I asked Keith about methanol. The stuff can also be found where paint is sold, although if you have a decent relationship with the hardware store they may be able to get larger quantities for you. And as Todd says, try out 1 liter test batch before adventuring into higher volumes. That is where I am at at the moment, but should be moving on soon as I have successfully made a small test batch with good two level seperation.I actually cut the test batch to 1/2 liter and then repeated it in a 1 liter batch and they both turned out identical with NaOH, and now it is time to try again with KoH and see if I get the same again.Better start out slow and get it right that jump off the mark and regret it ;). Have a nice day. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Nothing you'll work with is an extreme chemical and there should be no problem acquiring the components. MeOH is a fuel. Bulk fuel distributors should easily be able to get you 20 liter pails or more. KOH can be procured in kg lots from soap making suppliers. NaOH should be available in nearly any hardware store. As for your test batch size? Are you saying that 25 liters is the size of your first test or that this is the first 25 liter batch you're running? If you're stating the former, you would serve yourself well in dropping the volume down to 4% of that. Mistakes are no fun when they occur, especially at such a volume on the first go you have at it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: michael hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol supplies Hi all. I need to purchase some methanol for my first test batch 25ltr would be nice but am having proplems with chemical companys not dealing with jo public. Anyone know of eny freindly suppliers in the Bristol U.K. area Cheers Myke - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?
Hello Craig John, We (Neoteric Biofuels, http://biofuels.ca) also do singletank (as well as two-tank.) Our kit is cheaper than Elsbett's, and offers better filtration and easier install, with a self-regulating electric fuel heater that doesn't require the electronic complexity of the Elsbett system. The guy in Berkeley who runs olive oil in his '98 Mercedes is not currently heating his olive oil - something that we don't recommend. Craig Reece The link Rachel posted to the Elsbett workshop is interesting, worth a read: yes. We had a training/install workshop with them in March. Here's a link to the review... http://www.biofuels.coop/blog/archives/66.html for pictures check out www.localaction.biz click on Elsbett workshop. rachel www.localaction.biz has been inaccessible both times I tried, but the blog link works. Actually I'm not sure they're comparable, your kit and Elbett's. The main cost component of your single-tank kit seems to be the Vormax filter, is that right? Perhaps the Vormax is in itself a better filter, but I don't think that means that Elsbett's filtering is less effective. Have a look at what Rachel's report on the blog says about that. Elsbett has a very long and illustrious history of diesel engineering and does not skimp on filtering. Elsbett's kit is not generic, it seems to be specified for each different motor, and components and cost vary accordingly. According to your website, with your kit (still only for VW and Mercedes?) modified injectors are an optional extra. If you wish to optimize more fully for vegetable oil use, you would order modified injectors. Basically, modified injectors are $90 each plus refundable core charge of $70 (refunded when we receive your old injectors, so that your engine does not have to sit around out of service and injectorless while you wait for the new ones!! Our injectors are ready to use, not a kit to be added, so you do not need to take them to an injector shop for fitting and modification, as is the case with competing products. Competing products would be Elsbett? - it's the only other single-tank system. Elsbett doesn't always change the injectors, it depends on the motor. Where they do change them, the new injectors arrive with the kit, you fit them and send the old ones back at your leisure for a refund, there's no waiting for new ones while your engine sits around injectorless. You've quite often talked of the extra complexity and installation difficulties of the Elsbett kit, here and elsewhere. I don't think I agree with that either. Our friend and biodiesel/anti-diesel-bashing collaborator Takehiko Wada bought an Elsbett system for his '94 Golf 3 a few months ago. Wada-san brought the kit to show us when it arrived, different sets of components in separate plastic bags, all neatly labelled and specified. He didn't have problems installing it. He exchanged a few emails with Alexander Noack at Elsbett (cc'd to me) and, despite large potential language pitfalls, all went smoothly and he's a very happy customer. Thanks for continuous support for SVO system with your team. I think your system is considering very well for using SVO Fuel on small car with cheap price. With the injector refund, it cost him Euro 800. Another Elsbett system sold here for a '91 Toyota cost Euro 750. (Currently 1 Euro = 1.1987 US$.) Of course it has a one-year warranty, the only SVO system that does, AFAIK. So again, for your price comparison, considering what you're getting, there's not much in it. I don't agree with the whole basis of the comparison. By all mean promote your system, but I don't think your citing its purported advantages over the Elsbett system has much or any substance. It reminds me a bit of the SVO vs biodiesel non-argument. Why not just promote it on its own merits? Best Keith On Apr 16, 2004, at 8:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote: does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ? it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible with a few small modifications to the engine: glow plugs, 1 micron filter, etc. certainly this could only work with an oil that doesn't solidify in the tank, i assume, but there's a fellow in berkeley that claims to have done this for 8 months with straight olive oil. I thought that this was simply mechanically impossible? any caveats/opinions? thanks, John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the
[biofuel] Re: The Oil We Eat: Following the food chain back to Iraq
Hello Kim, Brian and all This is a wonderful idea, but we have found that finding anyone who is interested in actually doing the work, is a very different story. We would love to live with that kind of community, and have joined many community lists, but there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in this part of Texas. Keith, how do you find the people to work with? Bright Blessings, Kim It's not much different to any surviving rural community - that is, one which is still locally based, with the kind of family farming that suits that, and hasn't traded everything in (including much of the basis of the community itself) on the industrialised agriculture specialisations. There'd alway be some degree of specialisation. Most people would do the basics, but beyond that you'd have folks who hatched eggs and others would buy (or barter) the chicks, there'd be seedsmen, someone would always have extra piglets for sale, someone else would run a workshop and do lots of equipment repairs and general fettling, and it all went to make up quite a widely varied and capable local economy. Has that all gone in your area? http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040412/BUSINESS04/4 04120314/1050profileid=1050 Going organic saves family farm Published: April 12, 2004 By ANNA VOELKER, Rockford Register Star ... Fifty years ago, the United States had about 8 million family farms. Today, there are fewer than 2 million, and the nation loses about 330 family farms a week, according to Farm Aid, a farm advocacy group in Sommerville, Mass. Illinois has 1,229 dairy farms today, compared with 2,027 in 1996. Smaller farms are selling off to larger farms, and younger family members are choosing not to take over the business. Etc. But: It's not a conventional vs. organic thing... Wrong! Wrong way round - there's nothing conventional about industrialised agriculture. The industry's done a lot of massaging to get that term into common usage. Conventional: adj. 1. Based on or in accordance with general agreement, use, or practice; customary. 2. Conforming to established practice or accepted standards; traditional. You'd have to have an extremely narrow view of agricultural custom and tradition to regard current industrialised methods as anything more than a blip, no matter how widespread they might be at the moment. By the way, re this: Smaller farms are selling off to larger farms, and younger family members are choosing not to take over the business. Not what it might seem at first glance - for instance: Small family and part-time farms are at least as efficient as larger commercial operations. There is evidence of diseconomies of scale as farm size increases. -- Are Large Farms More Efficient? Professor Willis L. Peterson, University of Minnesota, 1997. Abstract: http://ideas.repec.org/p/wop/minnas/9702.html Download (Acrobat file, 52kb): http://agecon.lib.umn.edu/mn/p97-02.pdf Behind the surface impression that smaller farms are less competitive than larger farms or whatever, you find something like this: From the 1930's to the 1960's the free-range system was the popular way to raise poultry in the United states. It produced meaty, tender birds at a reasonable cost, using a reasonable amount of labor and providing valuable fertility to the land. Many farmers raised 10,000-20,000 birds per year on short-grass pasture (range), both chickens and turkeys. With the rise of industrial agriculture and the development of the confinement broiler barn, this sustainable and profitable system was discontinued by means of withdrawing growers contracts. Left with no market or processing facilities the practice was abandoned within two or three years. http://www.free-rangepoultry.com/ The big corps bought up all the slaughterhouses and suddenly there was nowhere to get your birds slaughtered unless you used their broiler systems. Not market forces, just bullying, and a less competitive, less equitable, less sustainable system shoved a much better one out of the picture. But I guess you know all this, sorry. /digression Keith, how do you find the people to work with? Um. I dunno. Different story each time. This place we're in now, this allegedly rural area in Japan, is not exactly ideal for it. (Local organic farmer: The trouble is that the farmers are not interested in agriculture. Figure that out, if you can.) But it happens anyway, somehow or other, to an extent. A distinction is made between self-sufficiency and self-reliance. It's perhaps a little concocted but I think it's useful anyway. Community self-reliance is a commonly used term and it's much more forgiving. With self-sufficiency, you'd not only have to make your own biodiesel but your own soap too. With self-reliance, maybe one household which had something to do with catering would supply the WVO, another would make biodiesel, a third would make soap, and they'd share the results, making all three
Re: [biofuel] Re: Biogas was Rejoining list with a question
Hello Olivier I gave you a 10 cubic meters capacity as an example. The manual start at 4 cubic meter approximately 2-3 cattles (24 Kg and 24litters). My guess is that any dung can do, pigs included. Once I asked the guy at BSP about humans and the answer was as long as you have the quantity. You know what, I'll scan it send it to you and Keith, maybe Keith has a place for it on a web site... and you decide what you want to do with it once you read it. What about that ? I was going to suggest it, if you were willing. I've assembled a lot of good biogas resources prior to making a special section at our website, it still needs quite a lot of work and progress is slow. But I'll get there. I'd like to include the BSP drawings and manual. Can you OCR the text? If not maybe I can do it from your scans. Anyway, good, thankyou - we can sort out the details offlist. Regards Keith Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Olivier - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Biogas was Rejoining list with a question I thank you for the offer, but at this time I think it is too large a capacity. While I do have 2 cows, they are pastured at all times, so collecting their dung is not convenient. We do have rabbits, [At present 30, but this changes constantly,]humans [2] and pigs [5] that the dung is easy to collect. I am hoping to create a small system that I can use to cook with in the summer and to learn on. When I find out how well the system works with our lives, then I will be looking at a larger system that can generate electricity. If I can eliminate my AC bill in the summer, the system could pay for itself fairly quickly. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:12 PM 4/15/2004, you wrote: Kim, Not much on this link unfortunatly http://www.biogasnepal.org/ I found the drawing and documents about BSP and their biogaz plant in my pile of document. I have to say that I never build one. What I have is drawing with size to build one and a construction Manual for a GGC 2047 Model. They called it a fixed dome type design. I cote This model was designed and developed in Nepal. This model is considered as a reliable, well functioning, simple, low maintenance cost and durable design. They give the quantity of dung and watter based on the volume of the digestor. For example a 10 cubic meters capacity need Daily Fresh Dung 60Kg and Daily water 60 liters ( requires approx. 6-9 cattles). The Dome type design is a continuous system where you add the dung+water in one side via inlet pit with or without a mixer (to mix dung and water) and the gaz pressure created push the digested slurry out the other side out of an overflow outlet. If you want me to send you a copy of the document I have let me know, I will need to scan them Olivier Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methinks I got it !
Having re-read the stuff Keith suggested I now understand it much better, than you Keith. You're most welcome, glad to have helped. I finally got a test batch done with the proper weights ect... I also used tech grade NaOH and got seperation although the top is cloudy, but I figure I could get thnat clear by washing. I only did a very small batch, having nessed up three others:(. I only used half measures, 500ml oil (new canola), 100ml methanol and 1.75gr sodium hydroxide. I mixed the lye and methanol in a beer bottle made by Grolsch Grolsch!! Aah, it's a LONG time since I've seen that, it used to be a favourite. You talk about half-measures yet you know about Grolsch? And you can get it in Canada? Envy! Hey, Pieter Koole, do I sense a knowing smile? Is it bok bier season yet? Indeed, amongst the positive attributes of Grolsch is that it comes in a nice bottle, strong, green, elegant, and with a strong toggle-latch clamp-on lid, very useful. which comes with a clip-on top that closes airtight and can take pressure, then mixed it into the oil in the blender and blended for 9 minutes. It didn't seperate immediately but after 45 minutes I had a layer of dark at the bottom and a cloudy apple juice looking stuff on top, so I figure I got it. Maybe ? Methinks you did. Did you pre-heat the oil? Sounds like it from what I read about the glycerine, so I am now going to go for a full liter. What an adventurer huh? It's not a wise adventurer who takes massive leaps into the unknown with his eyes wide shut. One problem I had before was the scale I was using. I picked up a kitchen scale from a discount store and found out it was WAY off when I compared what it gave to what I get from the new electronic one I just got (acurate down to 0.01gr). A few people have had that problem. An accurate scale is essential. I also found out that I also can get potassium or sodium hydroxide at the same price and it is MUCH cheaper than the other guys were trying to get for equal quallity. Lessons ? Perseverance, Persistence, Patience and Prayer usually give good results :) Thanks for all your help. Hopefully I will post again soon with another positive result. (This must be a scream to those with ooddles of successful batches huh?) Better to make you smile than to make you cry. Have a nice day. If there are smiles, I'm sure they're smiles of encouragement and pleasure to see a novice off to a sound start. We were all there once, except many of us who haven't got as far yet. We're all still learning. Best we learn and share together as we may. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Conversion Tables from/to metric to US or Imperial
Found this site where you can convert anything from weights and measures to liquids or whatever ect... should one need to :) http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/celsius It is interactive as well, so you can customize it as you go. Have a nice day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Wanted WVO
Ravi Raju wrote: Hello, I'm looking at setting up a 400 lts/day biodiesel setup for some tribal villages in India, who currently do not have electricity, as WVO is not available in sufficient quantities we are looking to import WVO from the US which seems to have the most of it available. Would anybody be able to point me to a source where I could get source WVO. Thanks, Ravi Ravi, Wouldn't it be much easier to get the oil from Delhi/Mumbai/Hyderabad/etc/etc, the big city that is closest to you rather than trying to get it from literally half way around the world? Even failing a supply in India, I would be looking at Singapore or Malaysia before the USA Andrew Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: road use tax?
I buy my methanol from a racing fuel supplier. They have not brought up the road use tax with me on methanol (I've placed a total of one order so far), but I am guessing that they would if I were to buy any of their fuels that can be used in street machines. I am sure that this is required by law. If their fuel is used in a vehicle on the road, they have to collect the tax. I'm not sure if this is your situation as well. If it is, however, the loophole is that you're using the methanol in a processor, not a vehicle at all. The form that you are signing simply states that the Methanol you are buying will not be put into a fuel tank of a vehicle driven on the road. Any other use of the chemical does not subject it to this tax. I would read the form carefully to make sure that this is the case. If so, however, sign away and use your methanol with a clear conscience. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark Finewood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked up a 55 gallon drum of methanol today. I told them that I would be using it to make biodiesel. The supplier asked me to sign a form that states that the methanol would be used for off-road purposes only or be subject to a road use tax. Has anyone run across this and how do you handle it? I just said that I plan to use the biodiesel for our tractor and possibly home heating. (I didn't mention that a lot will probably find it's way into my F250 as well.) Is there a way that we can pay the road use tax? I read on the biodiesel.org site that the tax is $0.244 per gallon. Thanks, Mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Suppliers?
Hello all. I am writing again with a question about suppliers. As I stated in a reply elsewhere, I have been able to find a source for methanol without a problem (living in a town that has a speedway where it is used as a fuel probably helps). Other chemical supplies are proving to be more of a problem than I had thought, however. I had placed an order with Fisher Scientific for sulfuric acid, sodium hydroxide and a scale. I had expected delivery by now. Instead, I have received a resounding lack of response. I called yesterday, and was told that Fisher will not ship chemicals or scales to individuals. I pulled out my academic affiliation with Indiana University, but that didn't help. They said I could use an IU account and order whatever I want, but I really don't want to go to my department chair and explain why I want to use a department account for personal use. I just don't think it would go over well. That means that I am sitting this weekend with a couple of gallons of waste canola oil and 55 gal of methanol, but unable to start making test batches. So, anyway, here comes the question. I know that sodium hydroxide is available in any hardware store as Red Devil lye. Does anyone know of a good source of sulfuric acid and a good scale to weigh the lye? Brian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methoxide - was Re: Biogas was Rejoining list with a question
Hello Marc Thanks for the answers they are helpfull im very impressed with what I see on thejourney website (always have been). Thankyou! Glad to hear too that you're getting your project fully in gear again, and adding biodiesel production. Yes Im a newbie to processing biodiesel but an oldie on algaeculture technology for oil production and algae based Living fuel cell technology. and..Of course, im an long time time distiller.. having produced ethanol for fuel and then organically certified pharmaceutical U.S.P. Grade ethanol... also.. im no stranger to methane digestors and gasifiers. My bioregion is one of the most polluted in the U.S., my county and three cities cities in it, are very proactive and are using all sorts of afv's and hybrid electrics.. The ethanol industry is dominated by the big guys but I see a great opportunity to use our ethanol distillery to make a fair amount of Biodiesel (up to 7000 gals per week eventually) and in fact we are prepared to do so Immediatly. I have relatively close ties with some biodiesel experts who are going to assist us in start up.If our facilities were not also training facilities, I would not be so concerned about how I go about handling hazardous chemicals as we are well equipped with hazmat protection having done a good deal of acid hydrolysis, but we are visited by a good many people here and expect that our Green Job training programs will be very well attended ..so god forbid that we make errors in our process that could cause a disaster. Professionally, they isolate the methanol/methoxide part of it with argon. Or at least some of them do. Overkill for us, and for small-scale local operations I think. It depends how you look at it I suppose. I am one who always beleives in learning all I can from as many sources as possible that is why I am on various related lists and this is one of the best ive found on biodiesel.. I'm glad you think so. It's about more than just biodiesel, but the biodiesel resources and expertise here are good, it's really helped push the technology forward in the last four years. I've learnt such a lot from this list! The resources are the biodiesel section and the Biofuels online library at Journey to Forever, which have benefited greatly from list input, and I guess vice-versa, and the list archives, which is huge (33,500 messages). The archives is VERY useful! But DON'T use Yahoo's archives. Apart from the ads, it searches the archives in tiny steps of 50 or so messages at a time, so to do a single search you'd need to hit 670 pages. Yahoo pages. Plus all the ads. Useless. Use our independent archives, linked at the bottom of every message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ This is an independent archives, provided and maintained by list member Martin Klingensmith, with powerful, fast and efficient one-time searching, and no ads. (Martin also hosts our website, and Steve Spence's. Thankyou once again for everything Martin, I don't know what we'd do without you.) there are others that I feel are a disgrace, carrying on like a bunch of brats. There are only one or two culprits (which is all it takes), but beyond that the Marie Celeste is not a good model for list management, nor is Rip van Winkle. Hence those one or two can do whatever they like there, no matter how deceitful or destructive. The Internet is still a baby. Those guys would not be able to get away with such behaviour in their real-world communities, they probably wouldn't even consider it. All communities (local communities anyway, if not nations) long ago developed structures for discouraging and punishing sociopathic conduct. Such structures don't yet exist in the virtual-world communities. They will in time, but until they do, and normal social inhibitions apply, lists need active moderation. An abandoned list is a disaster, and there's nothing that can be done about it, though many have tried. Yahoo has never responded with anything more than a cheery auto-response, even when Yahoo itself has been at fault and shut owners out of their own lists by mistake (it happens). but here on this list that kind of banter seems less frequent thank god... Well, we do have our rows. It's odd that biofuels can be such a contentious subject, but it certainly is one. Girl Mark (Maria Alovert) once remarked that she didn't know of another subject which attracted people of such different backgrounds (or words to that effect). I guess she's right. Even just in the US that's true (or some would say especially there), but biofuels is a global subject. There are plenty of Middle Easterners here, Arabs, Muslims from all over the world, plenty of right-wing Americans and other Westerners too, all with strong views on such subjects as oil supplies, which of course is very much on-topic here. For example. But all those people are welcome here, of course. Not always easy. Best Keith my website
[biofuel] Re: biodiesel class
At 05:19 AM 4/17/2004, you wrote: f you are interested in having some equipment built at this class, please contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If we schedule this class I will also be announcing it through the above lists. Thanks! mark Gee if you want to do one of those workshops in VA, we would volunteer! Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
