Hello Craig >John, > >We (Neoteric Biofuels, http://biofuels.ca) also do singletank (as well >as two-tank.) Our kit is cheaper than Elsbett's, and offers better >filtration and easier install, with a self-regulating electric fuel >heater that doesn't require the electronic complexity of the Elsbett >system. > >The guy in Berkeley who runs olive oil in his '98 Mercedes is not >currently heating his olive oil - something that we don't recommend. > >Craig Reece
The link Rachel posted to the Elsbett workshop is interesting, worth a read: >yes. > >We had a training/install workshop with them in March. >Here's a link to the review... >http://www.biofuels.coop/blog/archives/000066.html > >for pictures check out www.localaction.biz >click on Elsbett workshop. > >rachel www.localaction.biz has been "inaccessible" both times I tried, but the blog link works. Actually I'm not sure they're comparable, your kit and Elbett's. The main cost component of your single-tank kit seems to be the Vormax filter, is that right? Perhaps the Vormax is in itself a "better" filter, but I don't think that means that Elsbett's filtering is less effective. Have a look at what Rachel's report on the blog says about that. Elsbett has a very long and illustrious history of diesel engineering and does not skimp on filtering. Elsbett's kit is not generic, it seems to be specified for each different motor, and components and cost vary accordingly. According to your website, with your kit (still only for VW and Mercedes?) modified injectors are an optional extra. "If you wish to optimize more fully for vegetable oil use, you would order modified injectors. Basically, modified injectors are $90 each plus refundable core charge of $70 (refunded when we receive your old injectors, so that your engine does not have to sit around out of service and injectorless while you wait for the new ones!! Our injectors are ready to use, not a kit to be added, so you do not need to take them to an injector shop for fitting and modification, as is the case with competing products." "Competing products" would be Elsbett? - it's the only other single-tank system. Elsbett doesn't always change the injectors, it depends on the motor. Where they do change them, the new injectors arrive with the kit, you fit them and send the old ones back at your leisure for a refund, there's no waiting for new ones while your engine sits around injectorless. You've quite often talked of the extra complexity and installation difficulties of the Elsbett kit, here and elsewhere. I don't think I agree with that either. Our friend and biodiesel/anti-diesel-bashing collaborator Takehiko Wada bought an Elsbett system for his '94 Golf 3 a few months ago. Wada-san brought the kit to show us when it arrived, different sets of components in separate plastic bags, all neatly labelled and specified. He didn't have problems installing it. He exchanged a few emails with Alexander Noack at Elsbett (cc'd to me) and, despite large potential language pitfalls, all went smoothly and he's a very happy customer. "Thanks for continuous support for SVO system with your team. I think your system is considering very well for using SVO Fuel on small car with cheap price." With the injector refund, it cost him Euro 800. Another Elsbett system sold here for a '91 Toyota cost Euro 750. (Currently 1 Euro = 1.1987 US$.) Of course it has a one-year warranty, the only SVO system that does, AFAIK. So again, for your price comparison, considering what you're getting, there's not much in it. I don't agree with the whole basis of the comparison. By all mean promote your system, but I don't think your citing its purported advantages over the Elsbett system has much or any substance. It reminds me a bit of the SVO vs biodiesel non-argument. Why not just promote it on its own merits? Best Keith >On Apr 16, 2004, at 8:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote: > > > does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ? > > > > it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible with a few small > > modifications to > > the engine: glow plugs, 1 micron filter, etc. certainly this could > > only > > work with an oil that doesn't solidify in the tank, i assume, but > > there's a > > fellow in berkeley that claims to have done this for 8 months with > > straight > > olive oil. I thought that this was simply mechanically impossible? > > > > any caveats/opinions? > > > > thanks, > > John ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
