RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
Check out this website for Diesel bikes: http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Filtering WVO
How about a settling tank, while the application I have in mind is far removed from WVO the idea should be the same. I can best describe it as a tank inside a tank. The inside tank has no bottom or top and would be placed inside the outer tank with it's bottom off the floor of the outer tank. The WVO would enter the tank into assembly at the space between the inside and outer tank and would exit to go through the filters, from the center of the inside tank. The heavy particles would sink to the bottom and the lighter ones would create a scum on the surface, the idea being the fluid in between should be cleaner. Doug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/01/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Thank you Tim, I would send this off list but your email address is not a part of the forward. So here is a personal comment for Tim. I have worked in a blue-color/ agrarian community for 23 years and thoroughly enjoy the people and the wide range of diversity. It is wonderful to have such a varied clientele which includes more and more people getting out of the city. New staff members are always surprised at the conversation changes that happen throughout the day. After I have been seeing a person for year after year, we are friends. While interviewing potential, new staff members, one of the first things that we stress is that each person is treated as an individual. There is no discrimination (other than asking past due accounts to pay up before new making a new bill). Many of our people have Polish, German, and/or Spanish as a first language--of course they are now the older ones, as the young people come out of the same mold--Walt Disney and media mania. The number of children that do not know how to carry on a conversation is shocking. Lack of eye contact, inability to articulate, no reason to have an opinion, and similar traits seem to be a reflection of a generation and not a heritage or educational opportunity. As a baby-boomer, I knew that the only way I could raise my social, economic, and educational status was to do well in school, extra-curricular activities, and any job I could find. The work ethic and study diligence was a means to an end. We were an overly competitive generation. Being on the honor roll was a major status achievement. Too bad the majority of my generation never learned the next lesson--love of earth, appreciation for the simple things in life, and moderation. The important thing is what is passed on to your children. Now that we have our first grandchildren (twin girls), the discrepancies seem even more important. The Journey to Forever must be relayed to the next generation. Understanding the principles is an imperative! It is sometimes difficult to teach an in-law to recycle, conserve, and appreciate not spending. Challenges on the home front require political action and finesse just like any other bigger picture in politics. Oh well, my family always referred to me as the eccentric one. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Hey Peggy, I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if you will). I have an Aunt who holds three Doctorate degrees but yet can't function at all in the daily task without assistance. Some of the smartest men and women I know I meet at the farmers market, the coop or feed store would no doubt test unfavorably on an IQ test. I value their opinion no less than I do the college professor at UGA who I discuss agricultural topics with frequently. The only true ignorance, in my meager opinion, is to discount the knowledge and or experience of either. My Grandfather is a Bishop in the Church and has great wisdom with only a 5th grade education. My wife's Grandfather ,who recently passed away, was a farmer with only a 6th grade education yet commanded the respect of the professors at UGA as well as the news media from Atlanta regarding local agricultural issues. He was also very involved in politics (head of the polling stations in our county). Both men are and were given great honor and respect from very strong willed wives who did not complete high school. Non of them would perform very well on an IQ test but their intelligence is far greater than that which is measurable from a test. All people should have the same level of respect regardless of some test score. But it just isn't so. I know when I am seen in town by strangers in my work boots, overalls and straw cap I get superior looks from them. But when strangers see me walking from the plane I just landed at their local airport, I'm viewed differently, as if worthy of being in their company. Am I not the same man? In politics it's not about respecting people and accepting them for who they are but rather about gaining their votes. Both parties will pander to the various groups in hopes of winning. But the respect for (or the lack thereof)those persons they are wooing doesn't change. I am no better than a poor starving person in any country, and neither is the wealthiest person on the face of this earth any better than me. Our circumstances are only different. And when our governments and social groups determine to make life better for all mankind and not just for their mankind then we can really begin to see change. Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Great quote! P. The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -- Samuel Johnson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
Harley makes a fuel ethanol model. Peggy (Never miss a chance to promote an alternative) Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic
http://www.tve.org/ho/doc.cfm?aid=346lang=English Keith Addison wrote: Hello Todd There's a company in Japan that has been doing this for some years, a patented process, result of a 10-year high-tech research program. I'm not sure if the technology is the same as what you're working on, but the result seems to be. They market the technology and the full set-up. Best wishes Keith I am working on a brand new proprietary process that will permanently remove all of our waste plastic problems forever. This new process cracks the plastic through gentle infra red heating and once the plastic has hit its melting point, the fuels that it was originally made of, break down and seperate out. The process creates 0 (zero) emmissions as it is a 100 % airless system. The unit has a 1.5 megawatt generator attatched to it and uses the residual flare gas and some LPG that is created to run the generator that in turn powers the entire system. The process crushes and chips the plastic, melts the oil, seperates the oils through a refractionization process, and finally stores the oils out. I can have two choices. I can use the multifuel generator and run 900 kilowatts of electricity to the grid 24/7 or I can not run the generator (only off of the flare gas and LPG to run the system) and the remaining fuel can be sold to the market. Not only will it accept and crack all types of plastics(I'll include a list of plastic below for those of you that are interested), but it will also accept any type of oil from vegetable oil to WVO, automotive oil(any hydrocarbon based oil) Soon we will be able to crack car tires!! Each car tire will create approximately 2.5 gallons of diesel fuel. We all know the huge problem that we have with waste plastic and waste automotive oil and car tires.. I have the solution and will be building a small facility to prove the unit within the next 6 months. This fuel could be mixed with biodiesel and our country could soon be 100 % self sufficient with our diesel fuel requirements. Take a look at the oils and types of plastic that we can crack. Remember 0 emissions and millions of tonnes of plastic removed from landfill sites! Plastics that can be cracked: #1 through 7 plastics polyethylenetelephthalate,polybutylene terethanalate,polyphenylene sulfide,polyphenylene oxide, acrylonitrle-butadiene-styrene,polycarbonate,ployoxymethylene, polymethyl-methacrylate,synthetic rubber,polyethylene,polyproylene polystyrene, general purpose polystyrene, expanded polystyrene, cross-linking polyethylene, nylon 66, nylon 6,polyamide, polyvinyl chloride (PVC) Waste oils that can be cracked: Waste lubricating oils engine lubricating oils industrial lubricating oils electrical usage oils heat treatment oils residue oils from refineries shipping fuel oil waste ashphalt and associatd oils any and all hydrocarbon based oils Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Office (905)473-5646 Cellular (705)794-1264 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm#PrinciplesOfOperation http://www.extremedieselbiking.de/ And let us not forget the venerable JtF's webpage on them: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Enjoy! Luc - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Oil vs Fuel filters
oil filter element (motor oil) in place of a fuel filter element, assuming the micron ratings are the same? This is for final, point of use WVO (under hood). In other words..what is the difference between the two? Are there material compatibility issues? And do they still apply with regards to WVO? Thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
Yo Keith/community! Well, all is well that ends well. I tuned the pump myself yesterday, loosened the spring tensioner device of the diaphragm somewhat (to start spritzing fuel in at a lower turbo boost) and I then minimally enriched the mixture by rotating the eccentric pin towards a richer setting. Bosch fuel pumps are no taboo for me anymore. Nor is the crappy Bosch service. I found all the neccessary adjustments on the lrenthusiast webpage, technical section (under more power). All the settings are equal for any Bosch VE (distributor) pump. Result: reasonable low end pull, no noticeable smoke increase. Oh, and I made it through the smoke opacity test 2 weeks ago: 0.34 of 3.5 allowed. Like a new TDI engine. Cheers, Aleks Damn you say, LOL! We said Damn for just the opposite reason, and I imagine Luc said something similar. Our Town-Ace's tank had a lot of rust in it, though not eaten right through (like both our Land Rovers' tanks were). Not caused by biodiesel though. I think what happened is that the car stood idle for quite a while before it was sold, and the diesel fuel they sell here (and most other places?) is not exactly free of water - let them stand, and they rust. Heard of another such case not long ago with a Mercedes in the US. Anyway, biodiesel, being the wonderful stuff that it is, loosens the rust, which then clogged up the sediment filter, which is INSIDE the tank - you have to take the whole tank out to get at the filter. It was thoroughly gunged up with rust. This we discovered after the Town-Ace more or less stopped going, obvious case of fuel starvation. We threw away the sediment filter and cleaned the tank out, it was just surface stuff, though there was quite a lot of it, but no need for any further treatment. Then we replaced the sediment filter with one from a Kubota tractor, fitted outside the tank, thankyou, plus an extra 10 micron filter downstream of that, no more problem. This after 18 months of running on B100. No problems with any of the leads or plastic, all in good order - I agree, if properly made, biodiesel won't do them any harm. For the record, it's also 14 years old, a 1990 Toyota Town-Ace 4x4 van 1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel. We're thinking on similar lines Aleks. We've got an Elsbett system, we'll be fitting it in a week or two, very nice too. I think this is the second one in Japan. Our friend Wada-san has the first, on his Golf. He came to visit us after he installed it, running on SVO instead of biodiesel. Well, WVO actually, from his office canteen. They'd told him it was good oil. He gave me a sample, but it didn't look too good to me. I tested it. It titrated at 7.5 ml, yuk! Poor Wada-san was deeply shocked. I don't think he eats at the office canteen anymore. I gave him a supply of 1 ml titration WVO, properly filtered, and a titration lesson, plus some biodiesel to help dilute the horrible stuff in his tank (which doesn't have a drain). Regards Keith Oh, and it was about 5.200 litres of bio running through (150 batches in 35 litre reactor) I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlike Biodiesel, ethanol wouldn't produce any distinctive smell, so why even worry about it ? Isn't the producion of alcohol for personal use untaxed, like when you make your own wine or beer ? So, you make your own vodka :) And as for the BD, no one is looking out for french fry or egg roll smells either, they are looking for the tell tale smell of home heating oil. Home heating oil and diesel smell exactly the same to me. And I've been told by the distributors that they all come out of the same pipe - all the same stuff. They put dye into the heating oil, so that it's easy to spot, but that is a visual inspection of the fuel before it is burned. I know of no way that they try to test the exhaust of a vehicle for heating oil. And I know that people here have said that heating oil is the lowest grade of what comes out of the pipe. That may be true, I really have no idea, all I know is that I've heard different stories from different sources. I don't put the stuff in my engine so I'm not overly concerned about it. Erik __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Oil vs Fuel filters
filters will hold more on them and a oil filter is pleeted and like 30 mico From: Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Oil vs Fuel filters Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:26:39 -0500 Other than overall physical dimensions..is there any reason not to use an oil filter element (motor oil) in place of a fuel filter element, assuming the micron ratings are the same? This is for final, point of use WVO (under hood). In other words..what is the difference between the two? Are there material compatibility issues? And do they still apply with regards to WVO? Thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO
Plse see below Andreas - can you please post this on the biofuel list as I am not able to due to being unable to stop my mail program (pegasus) from using rich text, which is rejected. Thanks I've been using used oil 50/50 in my 123 Merc for about 15,000 km so far. I get the oil in 25 L containers and leave them to stand for 7 days (min) during which time impurities sink. I then pour the good stuff into a filter pan that consists of two layers of filter cloth. The top cloth filters to 5 micron, the lower cloth to 1 micron. I change the cloth after around 1000 L of filtration, though I could filter more I'm sure. I get the filter cloth from Monopoel in Germany. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Absolutely no problems so far. James. Andreas Ohnsorge Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Tweaking a Bosch VE pump
Everybody, since I got a lot offline traffic For those who like to tinker on a fuel pump: A land rover forum should be where to look for. I can't try this here at work (no internet allowed as for previous non work related searches i.e. biofuels, JtF ... here's democracy forya). Start at this one dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/more_power/Power_ve.htm read the ram page first, then there's a link to the lr, read it WHOLE, grab your toolbox and get started. READ EVERYTHING ON THE LR THREAD! You can do damage if you are not entirely sure of what you're doing! Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
The home heating oil and the diesel at thru pumps is the same, but for 2 minor differences. Diesel at the pumps is Diesel #2 Home heating oil is Diesel #4 ( with Diesel #2 slop over ), the same as Diesel #2, but, the average carbon chain is longer ( higher BTU's ). The heating oil may or may not have dye in it, I have seen plenty of heating oil coming out of the truck that was almost as clear as water ( no trace of dye that I could see ( but this was in a rural area 15-20 yrs ago ), this may vary from area to area. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 23:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes Home heating oil and diesel smell exactly the same to me. And I've been told by the distributors that they all come out of the same pipe - all the same stuff. They put dye into the heating oil, so that it's easy to spot, but that is a visual inspection of the fuel before it is burned. I know of no way that they try to test the exhaust of a vehicle for heating oil. And I know that people here have said that heating oil is the lowest grade of what comes out of the pipe. That may be true, I really have no idea, all I know is that I've heard different stories from different sources. I don't put the stuff in my engine so I'm not overly concerned about it. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
supplemented his fuel there is a distinct smell that can be noticed several hundred meters aways. I had a MOT (Ministry of Transport) vehicle follow me for about two blocks and then simply vere off; I am thinking he had a sudden urge to get some Chinese take out :) Luc - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes The home heating oil and the diesel at thru pumps is the same, but for 2 minor differences. Diesel at the pumps is Diesel #2 Home heating oil is Diesel #4 ( with Diesel #2 slop over ), the same as Diesel #2, but, the average carbon chain is longer ( higher BTU's ). The heating oil may or may not have dye in it, I have seen plenty of heating oil coming out of the truck that was almost as clear as water ( no trace of dye that I could see ( but this was in a rural area 15-20 yrs ago ), this may vary from area to area. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 23:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes Home heating oil and diesel smell exactly the same to me. And I've been told by the distributors that they all come out of the same pipe - all the same stuff. They put dye into the heating oil, so that it's easy to spot, but that is a visual inspection of the fuel before it is burned. I know of no way that they try to test the exhaust of a vehicle for heating oil. And I know that people here have said that heating oil is the lowest grade of what comes out of the pipe. That may be true, I really have no idea, all I know is that I've heard different stories from different sources. I don't put the stuff in my engine so I'm not overly concerned about it. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamed for global warming
ational1243EST0511.DTL Bush stands by rejection of limits on gases blamed for global warming JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer Saturday, November 6, 2004 (11-06) 09:43 PST WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush is holding fast to his rejection of mandatory curbs on greenhouse gases that are blamed for global warming, despite a fresh report from 300 scientists in the United States and seven other nations that shows Arctic temperatures are rising. This week, a four-year study of the Arctic will document that the region is warming rapidly, affecting global climates. Scientists project that industrial gases such as carbon dioxide will make the Arctic warmer still, which would raise the level of the seas and make the earth hotter. The world's atmosphere now includes about 380 parts per million of carbon dioxide, compared with 280 parts per million in 1800, according to scientists. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Kyoto international climate treaty last week, which puts it into effect early next year without U.S. participation. The treaty requires industrial nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases below 1990 levels. President Bush strongly opposes any treaty or policy that would cause the loss of a single American job, let alone the nearly 5 million jobs Kyoto would have cost, said James Connaughton, chairman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Headed into his second term, Bush continues to believe he made the right leadership choice by repudiating the U.N.-sponsored pact negotiated in 1997 in Kyoto, Japan, Connaughton said. Former President Clinton's vice president, Al Gore, negotiated the treaty for the United States and had a major role in its final form. Kyoto was a bad treaty for the United States, said Mike Leavitt, administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. Leavitt added in an interview Friday that climate change is not an issue the administration dismisses. I know that it is of importance to the president that we continue to make progress, he said. So far, Bush's policy has amounted to spending a few billion dollars each year on research. White House officials contend the drastic cuts in pollution that the treaty would have imposed on the United States would have cost nearly $400 billion and almost 5 million jobs. Many would have shifted to other countries that were not obligated to reduce their pollution levels, the Bush administration says. Russia, by contrast, can increase its pollution substantially under the treaty with a positive rather than detrimental impact on its job market, the officials say. From 1990 to 2002, U.S. greenhouse gases increased 13.1 percent while Russian greenhouse gases decreased 38.5 percent, partly because of shrinkage in its industrial base after the collapse of the Soviet Union, according to the latest U.N. figures. Global warming is a recurring theme that punctuated the start of Bush's terms in office. In March 2001 Bush broke his campaign promise to regulate carbon emissions and withdrew the United States from the Kyoto treaty, which seeks to slow global warming by reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Gore signed the treaty in 1997, but it never was ratified by the Republican-controlled Senate. Bush said it also should have included developing countries such as China and India, which are major polluters. Achieving the treaty's target will be difficult without participation by the United States, which accounted for 36 percent of the industrialized nations' carbon dioxide emissions in 1990. Russia accounted for 17 percent. Critics say Bush's opposition is ironic because the treaty was modeled after the market-based U.S. program for cutting acid rain created in 1990 by Bush's father and often pointed to by the current administration as a success story. Indeed, it would be very, very surprising if this instrument were not used by the people who invented it, Klaus Toepfer, executive director of the Kenya-based U.N. Environment Program, said in an interview. Annie Petsonk, a lawyer for New York-based Environmental Defense, a nonprofit group that says it is dedicated to protecting the environment, said the United States will be left isolated on the biggest environmental challenge of the century. She said the White House estimates of Kyoto's costs do not appear to include the cost savings from trading pollution rights. For business, it's quite serious because it means that the global carbon market is going to move, and U.S. companies are going to be left out of that market, Petsonk said. She helped shape the Kyoto treaty and the first President Bush's climate policy as a Justice Department lawyer. By signing on to the treaty, industrialized nations commit themselves to cutting their collective emissions of carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases to 5.2 percent below 1990 levels. The Pew Center on Global Climate Change is
RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
They do have one in my country (India)..don't know whether they export it or not, though the company does export some of the models to Europe and America. It's called the Royal Enfield Taurus. It comes from a very reputed manufacturer...sorta the harley of India. And its supposed to be cheaper to run than even walking (accounting for the calories u burn walking and the money you spend on food, to gain those calories as against the cost of the diesel.)!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mel Riser Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
I can somewhat relate to that thanks to heart disease and another chance to ponder my mortality and direction. I hope I can meet them with a smile and understanding. Yes, there are some who are terrific at word development an expression and I also wish. Looking forward to hearing more about your project and the best to you Kirk. As always, enjoy listening to you. Yes, lost a kidney to cancer and had one of those near death experiences as well. Much of what I used to see in the world as serious I now see as adolescent and self indulgent. Wish I could put it into words like Keith does. Anyway, using fabric for the machine. Have a novel way, a simple way, of placing the material in and out of the airstream. Have to get paperwork settled before I can tell all but the whole idea is about inexpensive and low low tech. You can get very high tech about the fabric but that is a life/cost issue. All the best Kirk --- MH wrote: Kirk, I'd didn't realize you've been ill. Glad to hear things are getting better. I only see your messages in the archive or if certain people reply to yours like Hakan did. I've misplaced the details regarding your project. It must have been a archive message I read and forgot to copy, darn it. Are you craving blades or using sailcloth? How many are you using? I'd read that 3 blades is a nice compromise between balance and high rpm electrical generation. I hadn't noticed Mr Piggott using a hoop around the tips of his blades in the past maybe that's changed to reduce noise or dampen vibration or increased performance or structural safety integrity. You take care of yourself, you hear? Coming along ok. Mind is willing but the body is weak. Each day a bit better though. Actually have some colour in my face now. Piggott even shows how to carve your own blades. As for configuration Betz wrote the paper I think. I am under the impression 3 blades is usually the best choice. Mine is a drag windmill. Less efficient but the bottom line is dollars/watt and for water pumping and the like it has peak torque at stall. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using used veg. oil
Dear Keith, I used 1L of new rapseed oil and followed the procedure.As soon as I added sodium methoxide to the heated oil at 58C the glycerine separated immediately and I started mixing it using a blender. I noticed froth at the top.I mixed it for about half an hour. The reaction seemed complete. The froth was still there the next day.The test showed it was very strong alkali layer.It could be a soap layer? I did the quality test on the liquid layer. It passed. Then I repeated the same with a used vegetable oil. The reaction seemed similar but there was a difference in colour. The colour of the methyl ester was not light yellow but brown; not different from the original colour of the oil. Rapseed oil was light yellow and the used oil was dark brown. I did the quality test on the product of the used oil by mixing 150ml water and 150 ml biodiesel and standing the mixture. It did not separate into 2 layers clearly like the new rapseed oil biodiesel did.It did separate into 2 layers but the top layer was creamy with a froth on it. Does it mean the used oil does not make a good biodiesel? Fox ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Canada Renewable Energy Use
Canada Looks to Boost Renewable Energy Use November 2, 2004 http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=17687 Montreal, Canada [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] The Honourable Stephane Dion, Canada's Minister of the Environment, has outlined his perspective on renewable energy, including Canada's accomplishments and challenges. Speaking last Thursday at a meeting organized by the North American Commission for Environmental Cooperation, Minister Dion indicated that Canada's future is closely linked to the development of renewable energy. We firmly intend to go much further, and make Canada a leader in the world of renewable energy just as we are in traditional forms of energy. -- Stephane Dion, Canada's Minister of the Environment Over the next several decades, thanks to their continually improving performance, their decreasing cost, and the growing recognition of their environmental, economic and social value, renewable energy technologies will grow increasingly competitive compared with traditional energy technologies, Dion said. By the middle of the 21st century, renewable energy, in all its forms, should be making a significant contribution to meeting energy needs. Minister Dion noted that Canada is well aware that renewable energy is gaining ground throughout the world and that Canada was at the World Summit on Sustainable Development in 2002 when agreement was reached on a program for renewable energy. He also indicated that Canada endorsed the United Nations declaration to significantly increase the global share of renewable energy sources. The Minister said Canada is behind most of the OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) countries in its development of emerging sources of renewable energy and that it obtains only approximately three percent of its electricity from emerging renewable sources. It is not hard to see the reason for this, Dion said. Canada is blessed with abundant quantities of traditional energy resources - oil and gas, coal, hydro power, and uranium. As a result, our energy prices have been relatively low and we have not had the incentive to invest in emerging renewable energy sources to the extent some other countries have. The Minister provided a perspective for the future of emerging renewable energy in Canada indicating that Canada is making significant progress with programs such as the Wind Power Production Program (WPPI). He also highlighted the federal government's commitment to purchase 20 percent of its electricity from emerging renewable sources as of 2005, as well as recent investments of $78 million (US$64 million) for ethanol production, that will increase production by 750 million liters. The Minister noted that the commitment in the Speech from the Throne to quadruple the size of the WPPI program is a signal of Canada's determination to become a leader in wind energy. Canada intends to make up the gap that now exists; but, in order to do so, we will need to redouble our efforts. We firmly intend to go much further, and make Canada a leader in the world of renewable energy just as we are in traditional forms of energy. For further Information Related Document - Building the Renewable Energy Market in North America http://www.ec.gc.ca/minister/speeches/2004/041028_s_e.htm Some excerpts -- Renewing our Energy Speaking Notes for The Honourable Stphane Dion, P.C., M.P. Minister of the Environment at the CEC meeting : ãBuilding the Renewable Energy Market in North Americaä Montreal October 28, 2004 Canada has noted that renewable energy forms are attracting growing interest on the international stage. Canada was there when, in 2002, the World Summit on Sustainable Development agreed on a program relating to energy and sustainable development. It provided support when the United Nations declared on September 4, 2002 the urgent need ãto significantly increase renewable energy sources and to put them to work for the global energy supplyä. Similarly, in June 2004, Canada was a participant in the Bonn Conference on Renewable Energies. At this meeting, representatives from around the world sought to speed up the development of renewable energy so that it would become one of the main energy sources for the long term. Canada is also keeping track of all the growth currently occurring in the field of renewable energy. Let us look at the figures. In 2002, these sources were still relatively insignificant. According to the International Energy Agency, renewable energy accounted for 13% of the worldâs total energy supply ö compared with 35% for oil, 24% for coal, 21% for natural gas and 7% for nuclear energy. Of this 13%, however, biomass accounted for 10% and hydroelectric energy for 2%; emerging sources of renewable energy such as wind and tides provided less than 0.1% of total world supply. However, these renewable energy sources can
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
http://www.bikez.com/bike/index.php?bike=4191 Funky lookjin' bike. Luc - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm#PrinciplesOfOperation http://www.extremedieselbiking.de/ And let us not forget the venerable JtF's webpage on them: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Enjoy! Luc - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
Kerosene, is basically #1 diesel.Kerosene in general is just highly refined #1 diesel. The differences are: Little to no sulfur ( possible give away as far as smell is concerned ) Lower BTU ( shorter than average carbon chains, than standard diesel ) Dry ( little to no lubrication for pumps and injectors ) I have heard a rumor of a Government ( don't know who ) requiring the addition of a chemical other than a dye ( to non-road fuel ) to allow the use of a portable spectrometer.How close did they fallow? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 08:13 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes Maybe it's kerosene then, 'cause when you follow a truck that has supplemented his fuel there is a distinct smell that can be noticed several hundred meters aways. I had a MOT (Ministry of Transport) vehicle follow me for about two blocks and then simply vere off; I am thinking he had a sudden urge to get some Chinese take out :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
http://www.bikez.com/bike/index.php?bike=4191 Funky lookjin' bike. Luc But I believe it's out of production now. Though you can still get them via Germany via the links at the JtF page. Allegedly. Best Keith - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm#PrinciplesOfOperation http://www.extremedieselbiking.de/ And let us not forget the venerable JtF's webpage on them: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Enjoy! Luc - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic
Hello Keith Can you detail the name, address and mail of the Japanese company, to get in touch with them? It's in the archives somewhere, I posted something about it a couple of years ago. I'm lost for a keyword to search for... I'll try to find out tomorrow. A 10-year research effort, they told me, an industrial set-up, I think not cheap, but I'd say it's high-quality technology, and the products were certainly high-quality. Best wishes Keith Thank you Marcelino - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic Hello Todd There's a company in Japan that has been doing this for some years, a patented process, result of a 10-year high-tech research program. I'm not sure if the technology is the same as what you're working on, but the result seems to be. They market the technology and the full set-up. Best wishes Keith I am working on a brand new proprietary process that will permanently remove all of our waste plastic problems forever. This new process cracks the plastic snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
Dear Mel Riser, Your article was interesting, here is a way you might want to concider, come to Canada! There are a lot of affordable places here in BC. you might want to look at. As you said, As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture here is one that is very private and spacious, if it appeals to you, that's good, if not please pass the info. on to someone else; [1]http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm It has it's own creek water Respectfully, Bill As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture _ Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with [2]MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm 2. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2737??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
fuel tax on biodiesel, however it would be an offence to run kero or heating oil instead, go figure. Luc - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes Kerosene, is basically #1 diesel.Kerosene in general is just highly refined #1 diesel. The differences are: Little to no sulfur ( possible give away as far as smell is concerned ) Lower BTU ( shorter than average carbon chains, than standard diesel ) Dry ( little to no lubrication for pumps and injectors ) I have heard a rumor of a Government ( don't know who ) requiring the addition of a chemical other than a dye ( to non-road fuel ) to allow the use of a portable spectrometer.How close did they fallow? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 08:13 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes Maybe it's kerosene then, 'cause when you follow a truck that has supplemented his fuel there is a distinct smell that can be noticed several hundred meters aways. I had a MOT (Ministry of Transport) vehicle follow me for about two blocks and then simply vere off; I am thinking he had a sudden urge to get some Chinese take out :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Anyone producing Biodiesel in Snohomish County, WA
Is anyone making Biodiesel in Snohomish County, WA? I would like to observe a working processor, get a few ideas and make some contacts. I am also looking for a supply of Methanol and/or Caustic Soda from a local shop. Thanks, Todd Arlington, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
I have been wanting to get one of the tiny oil mills as well. Maybe it's time for a trip to India and rent an ocean container and ship some stuff back. So they sell these new? -Original Message- From: Raunak Singh Ahluwalia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle They do have one in my country (India)..don't know whether they export it or not, though the company does export some of the models to Europe and America. It's called the Royal Enfield Taurus. It comes from a very reputed manufacturer...sorta the harley of India. And its supposed to be cheaper to run than even walking (accounting for the calories u burn walking and the money you spend on food, to gain those calories as against the cost of the diesel.)!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mel Riser Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
That looks like a wonderful place, but the price is a little steep for me. Kinda pricey for rural land. I guess the house is worth a lot. Going to go and see a 240 D Mercedes Diesel tonight. Oldie but goodie? This would put me ALL the way into BioDiesel cars as my last gas vehicle is an 89 Toyota Celica and is my daily driver when I am not driving the truck or ambulance. They both are pretty specialized and looking for a car for in town and general running around. mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm is missing the dot after the W's, cut and paste this http://www.forsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm Luc - Original Message - From: Green Dolphin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier Dear Mel Riser, Your article was interesting, here is a way you might want to concider, come to Canada! There are a lot of affordable places here in BC. you might want to look at. As you said, As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture here is one that is very private and spacious, if it appeals to you, that's good, if not please pass the info. on to someone else; [1]http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm It has it's own creek water Respectfully, Bill As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture _ Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with [2]MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm 2. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2737??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone producing Biodiesel in Snohomish County, WA
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/SO/sodium_hydroxide.html Methanol: http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/ME/methyl_alcohol.html Caustic or red devil lye is available through most hardware and some grocery stores, or from chem supply houses for larger quantities. Check qith the local high school's chemistry dept to se where they get it. Also it is widely used in the manufacturinig of adhesives (glue) so if there is a glue factory near by they have it. Methanol/Methyl Hydrate ect... is also used by people who do house painting, so the paint dept at the Homw Hardware is agood start. Also race tracks (stock car/NASCAR/1/4 drags ect.) have it in large quantities (200Lt drums) Sometrimes also chem supply houses have it, but try the paint dept first. Luc - Original Message - From: BioDiesel98222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone producing Biodiesel in Snohomish County, WA Is anyone making Biodiesel in Snohomish County, WA? I would like to observe a working processor, get a few ideas and make some contacts. I am also looking for a supply of Methanol and/or Caustic Soda from a local shop. Thanks, Todd Arlington, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
after the W's, cut and paste this http://www.forsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm Luc - Original Message - From: Green Dolphin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier Dear Mel Riser, Your article was interesting, here is a way you might want to concider, come to Canada! There are a lot of affordable places here in BC. you might want to look at. As you said, As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture here is one that is very private and spacious, if it appeals to you, that's good, if not please pass the info. on to someone else; [1]http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm It has it's own creek water Respectfully, Bill As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture _ Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with [2]MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm 2. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2737??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy
The Iron Law of democracy is that a people get the government they deserve. My hope was a democratic election, regardless of outcome. Now it appears the American people didn't even get that. Will they ever waken up? Regards, Bob. Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked by Thom Hartmann Saturday, Nov. 06, 2004 at 6:59 PM Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked by Thom Hartmann When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat. It was practice for a national effort, Fisher told me. And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004. The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling. Also See: Florida Secretary of State Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004 (.pdf) Florida Secretary of State County Registration by Party 2/9/2004 (.pdf) While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies. In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry. In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush. The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush. Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable - this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch- screens versus optical scanners.) More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line - the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines. One possible explanation for this is the Dixiecrat theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too. One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the rural Democrat theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at http://ustogether.org/election04/PA_vote_patt.htm, doesn't show the same kind of swings as does Florida, lending credence to the possibility of problems in Florida. Even more significantly, Dopp had first run the analysis while filtering out smaller (rural) counties, and still found that the only variable that accounted for a swing toward Republican voting was the use of optical-scan machines, whereas counties with touch-screen machines generally didn't swing - regardless of size. Others offer similar insights, based on other data. A professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, noted that in Florida the vote to raise the minimum wage was approved by 72%, although Kerry got 48%. The correlation between voting for the minimum wage increase and voting for Kerry isn't likely to be perfect, he noted, but one would normally expect that the gap - of 1.5 million votes - to be far
Re: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
The 240D isn't a race car, and if it is an automatic you will cry every tie you step on the fuel, but as far as reliable and longsuffering it is a gem. Mine has had it's ups and downs, although I consider that considering what I apid for it and the money I have put into it I am still miles ahead of anything new. My 1983 240D has 460,000Km on the clock, LOVES B100 adn is a 4 cylendar 4 speed manual. Be prepared to replace the sediment filter in the tank and maybe a fuel line or so after running a few hundred liters of B100 in it if it hasn't had the lines and tank filter changed yet. The B100 will loosen up all that residual stuff left behind by 20 years of dino and the filter will gum up big time. This has just happened to me, and I just got the car back today (thank you thank you, you can all sit down now,ha!) after having had the fuel screen and line replacedc with factory new ones (top of the line German parts at top of the line German prices, ha! took a month for them to come over from old Europe) Once you have done that your worries end. Regular maintenance like an occasional valve adjustment, oil changes ect and you will be quite happy with it. I know I am. There is a pic of the read end (where thef uel tank is) on the processor page at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html It's near the bottom of the page. Have fun ! These cars love the long haul too.B100 all the way ! Luc - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier That looks like a wonderful place, but the price is a little steep for me. Kinda pricey for rural land. I guess the house is worth a lot. Going to go and see a 240 D Mercedes Diesel tonight. Oldie but goodie? This would put me ALL the way into BioDiesel cars as my last gas vehicle is an 89 Toyota Celica and is my daily driver when I am not driving the truck or ambulance. They both are pretty specialized and looking for a car for in town and general running around. mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm is missing the dot after the W's, cut and paste this http://www.forsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm Luc - Original Message - From: Green Dolphin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier Dear Mel Riser, Your article was interesting, here is a way you might want to concider, come to Canada! There are a lot of affordable places here in BC. you might want to look at. As you said, As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture here is one that is very private and spacious, if it appeals to you, that's good, if not please pass the info. on to someone else; [1]http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm It has it's own creek water Respectfully, Bill As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture _ Open your e-mail without having to worry about viruses with [2]MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* References 1. http://wwwforsalebyownercanada.com/property/100901.htm 2. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2737??PS=47575 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy
Here is a video of a MSNBC News show which did a great job of detailing the election problems--its mind blowing this story was not replicated around the rest of American news medias. http://www.gbtg.net/videos/countdown_on_voting_irregs.wmv You need the free windows media player for this, which most people have already if they are using Windows 2000 or XP. If you don't have it, visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/download/download.aspx Regards, Dan Volker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bmolloy Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] New thread - the Iron Law of Democracy The Iron Law of democracy is that a people get the government they deserve. My hope was a democratic election, regardless of outcome. Now it appears the American people didn't even get that. Will they ever waken up? Regards, Bob. Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked by Thom Hartmann Saturday, Nov. 06, 2004 at 6:59 PM Published on Saturday, November 6, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked by Thom Hartmann When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat. It was practice for a national effort, Fisher told me. And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004. The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling. Also See: Florida Secretary of State Presidential Results by County 11/02/2004 (.pdf) Florida Secretary of State County Registration by Party 2/9/2004 (.pdf) While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies. In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry. In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush. The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush. Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable - this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch- screens versus optical scanners.) More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line - the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines. One possible explanation for this is the Dixiecrat theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too. One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the rural Democrat theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at
