Re: [Biofuel] Forget the Tiger, put some Mushrooms in your Tank
yes.. also aspergillis niger and and trichoderma viridi , tricodermareesi, and thaluria terrestria do a good job of breaking down cellulose there are many enzymes that occurr in nature that rot wood many are classified as fungi. there is a study underway using the digestive enzymes of termites. there is a monograph I wrote titled enzymatic hydrolysis of mixed cellulostic waste which I wrote for the southern hardwoods associeation in the U.S. it is included in our alcohol fuel manual. Marc Cardoso-Ecogenics. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered
Interesting discussion and not too immature: I'd give it a middle school grade in philosophical development and put it about twenty years in the past for conceptual frameworks. But then I'm not a chancellor issuing degrees... only a devout student for as many years of study and practices to qualify me to be a senior student. Well it seemed like, the post seemed like it could have been forwarded from the past Observation: During the past ten years in a small town in rural America, organized religion has begun to cloak its message in new garments that elevate the priest/ preacher and the congregation accept a new level of new-age thought as though it were always intrinsic in their philosophies. I deal with many different casts of people daily and we speak on a very personal level for a short period of time several times a year. And believe me; I pick and purge their brains with all kinds of questions and answers, attempting to keep neutral during the exchange. Evolution is happening in all belief systems including what many of you consider the narrow-minded element. It just takes them longer to connect the dots for a few media-based robots. Being an example for their forward movement is important. We don't need to assault the masses. We need to be leaders to show them the way in a non-confrontational manner. And thank you for doing this. Best wishes, Peggy http://www.counterpunch.org/miller11062004.html J.A. Miller: The Cults of the Jealous God Weekend Edition November 6 / 7, 2004 The Balfour Decision Reconsidered The Cults of the Jealous God By J.A. MILLER Foreign Office November 2, 1917 Dear Lord Rothchild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet. His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely, Arthur James Balfour God is on your side! Zbigniew Brzezinski exhorting anti-Soviet Mujahideen on the border of Afghanistan, 1979 On the 87th anniversary of the Balfour declaration, the time has come to talk about the elephant in the living room. The ceiling plaster in the basement is cracked and sifting down a choking dust. A good deal of crockery has been shattered. And I don't know if we'll ever get the carpeting clean. More than three years have passed since September 11, 2001 and the media, both mainstream and alternative, have scarcely mentioned the elephant. If the subject was broached at all, the tones were qualified, hushed. Of late, the subject is starting to appear with more frequency, yet still with the approach oblique. But speak we must about that elephant, and its name is Religion. Marx famously wrote in 1844 that religion is the opiate of the masses. How quaint that statement now seems conjuring up, as it does, sepia-toned scenes of slaves in the old South, barefoot and hookworm-infested, caroling that, beyond the grave at least, footwear would be available to all God's chillun. Or perhaps the scene described by numerous 19th century European travelers to Palestine of devout Russian peasants inching on their knees, along miles of rough, unpaved road from Jaffa to Jerusalem, bleeding and in pain, sustained in their self-flagellating pilgrimage by visions of heavenly reward in the next life. More than 100 years has passed since these images were registered. No longer does Marx's maxim seem even remotely apposite: Religion has ceased to be the opiate of the masses. Retaining the pharmaceutical metaphor, it would seem rather that religion has morphed into an amphetamine for masses, a sort of political speed, if you will. No longer does religion sedate, inuring people to poverty and oppression, making them malleable and resigned to worldly misery. Instead religion now functions as a political-cum-psychotropic drug, hopping believers up, inciting them to crash jets into buildings, mow down latter-day Amalekites with an Uzi, swathe women behind impenetrable drapery, justify land theft and civilian murder based on a toxic combination of ancient texts and genetics, drown small children in bathtubs or smash their skulls with bricks to wash away their sins. And the religion behind such ghastly acts is almost always monotheism. Tawhid and Jihad indeed. So, what exactly is going on here? It seems a fair question to ask. Why then is no one asking the question direct? No real probing of
RE: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost
I've heard it called Pees on Earth Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Compost Hello John An Uncle of mine used to just tell me to piss on it!!! First I thought he was just kidding...but you know what, he's right too. Late... Definitely he's right - more politely aka HCA (Household Compost Activator), so named (I think) by Lawrence D. Hills, who founded Britain's HDRA National Organic Gardening Association. Same provisos apply though - don't get it too wet. See also: http://journeytoforever.org/garden_con-mexico.html Organic food production in the slums of Mexico City And: http://journeytoforever.org/compost_humanure.html Humanure Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
In Canada, a bushel is 8 Imperial (British) gallons. A bushel of wheat weighs about 56 pounds. I think corn (maize) and soybeans are about the same. A bushel of oats weighs considerably less. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Erik Lane wrote: --- Geyser, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much does a bushel weight? Am I correct in saying that a gallon is 3.85 litres? I see this was never answered. A bushel is a traditional measure of volume here in the states. I assume we got it from England with the settlers originally. So how much it would weigh would depend on what it is you filled it with. It's equal to 8 dry gallons. Not the same as a liquid gallon, which I don't really understand and am not going to research right now. Here's the link - has an amazing amount of conversions: http://tinyurl.com/5yyye A US gallon is 3.79L according to another page on that same site. A British gallon is larger than ours, tho, if that's what you're talking about. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
For an excellent .exe file converter that you can download that does it all;Imperial (Brit/former Cdn), US and metric and back check out: Freeware download http://www.joshmadison.com/software/convert/ I now use this one instead of the on-line ones I was using before Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn --- Geyser, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much does a bushel weight? Am I correct in saying that a gallon is 3.85 litres? I see this was never answered. A bushel is a traditional measure of volume here in the states. I assume we got it from England with the settlers originally. So how much it would weigh would depend on what it is you filled it with. It's equal to 8 dry gallons. Not the same as a liquid gallon, which I don't really understand and am not going to research right now. Here's the link - has an amazing amount of conversions: http://tinyurl.com/5yyye A US gallon is 3.79L according to another page on that same site. A British gallon is larger than ours, tho, if that's what you're talking about. Erik __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
8 gal Imp (UK) = 38.43 quarts/9.61 gal US Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn In Canada, a bushel is 8 Imperial (British) gallons. A bushel of wheat weighs about 56 pounds. I think corn (maize) and soybeans are about the same. A bushel of oats weighs considerably less. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Erik Lane wrote: --- Geyser, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much does a bushel weight? Am I correct in saying that a gallon is 3.85 litres? I see this was never answered. A bushel is a traditional measure of volume here in the states. I assume we got it from England with the settlers originally. So how much it would weigh would depend on what it is you filled it with. It's equal to 8 dry gallons. Not the same as a liquid gallon, which I don't really understand and am not going to research right now. Here's the link - has an amazing amount of conversions: http://tinyurl.com/5yyye A US gallon is 3.79L according to another page on that same site. A British gallon is larger than ours, tho, if that's what you're talking about. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn
But now you're not specifying dry or liquid gallons, which at least for US measures are two different things - looks like in Imperial measure they're the same. Looks like our dry gallons are much closer to an Imperial gallon than to our liquid gallon. According to the page I posted a bit ago: 1 bushel = 8 dry US gallons = 9.31 liquid US gallons As with my other number, I cut down the digits - I see no need to carry out the decimal to 10 places like they do on that page for normal use. I looked it up, and dry gallons are just a measure that is based off of a division of the bushel and is only really used for bulk items. So in everyday life when we talk about gallons it's the liquid measure. Quarts and pints are also different from liquid to dry. Erik --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 bushel = 32 quarts / 8galUS or 35.24 liters 8 gal Imp (UK) = 38.43 quarts/9.61 gal US Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Source of Enzymes for ethanol production using corn In Canada, a bushel is 8 Imperial (British) gallons. A bushel of wheat weighs about 56 pounds. I think corn (maize) and soybeans are about the same. A bushel of oats weighs considerably less. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Erik Lane wrote: --- Geyser, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much does a bushel weight? Am I correct in saying that a gallon is 3.85 litres? I see this was never answered. A bushel is a traditional measure of volume here in the states. I assume we got it from England with the settlers originally. So how much it would weigh would depend on what it is you filled it with. It's equal to 8 dry gallons. Not the same as a liquid gallon, which I don't really understand and am not going to research right now. Here's the link - has an amazing amount of conversions: http://tinyurl.com/5yyye A US gallon is 3.79L according to another page on that same site. A British gallon is larger than ours, tho, if that's what you're talking about. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Filter Bags
check out this site: http://www.thecarycompany.com/containers/filtration/high-performance.html Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?
It's never very important to me whether someone is well respected or not when they go off on a tear that is misleading, misthought and misguided, especially when such backwash gets published, widely or not. If those are the words of an environmentalist, I know a few dozen multi-national, petro-chemical companies who would eagerly reserve a ringside seat on their executive boards for the likes of him. Frankly, I have several other choice words beyond what I posted for idiots who don't preface their broadly incomplete thoughts as being just that, apparently with the expectation that anyone and everyone who sees their by-line will swill at their trough rather than think for themselves. People like that give eco- a bad name. relevant comments in there somewhere. Talk about a backhanded compliment. The reason[ing], as you care to couch it, was posted. Unfortunately, you chose to downplay/largely-dismiss/ignore that and highlight the personal exception you take with someone who points out the flawed/incomplete reasoning of the well respected. What you call aggression is nothing more than open disdain for such patent wrong-thinking. If it's genuflecting to and butt kissing the well respected that you believe should occur, I think you need to look somewhere other than my direction. If it's honesty and perhaps even a little substance that you're looking for, then be advised that there are often sharp edges that accompany both. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: greg wendy clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? hi hi George monbiot is a highly respected environmentalist and I don't think a rant like this is particularly constructive. Doesn't do the list much good really. More reason less aggression, you did make relevant comments in there somewhere. cheers Greg clare recycling chip oil in the deepest darkest marches of England - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Myles, Would you propose that a person, or persons who populate a planet, do nothing? Much as the author does? The problem doesn't lay with the feedstock(s), but with the human livestock (or deadstock, depending upon how you perceive the mental incapacities of humans). Think about this for a moment. Well over 200,000,000 people out of a 265,000,000 US population are going to engorge themselves on enormous amounts of meats and cheeses in the next 35 days - everything imaginable from kielbasa to knockwurst to corned beef to pork to turkey. They don't seem to have much of a problem with eating ineffciently, letting the likes of beef cattle consume 10-16 pounds of edible grains for every 1 pound of edible beef put on their plate. But does your author even bother to mention this immoral level of avarice and excess? What? There is no fault with a society that would pork out on meat when 10 or more starving people could be fed off the same grains that a stinking cow snozzles down and spews out as waste? Yet he has ample nerve to bitch in the same manner about biofuels. I'll wager the mental midget gets up from his last Christmas leftover dinner a full 10 pounds heavier than he started on November 24th. Think he'll make mentio of that double-standard of excess and waste? Doubtful. Equally as doubtful that he'll pay full fare on his coronary bypass surgery years down the road as a result of such gluttony, leaving hundreds of other premium payers to pony up a share for his selfishness. The only thing that's starving relative to this article is the author's brain for oxygen, as he obviously hasn't taken anything but one singular aspect into consideration, with the apparent purpose of deriving a skewed end result. There are other factors, such as all the feedmeal/flour that is a byproduct of much oil production. There's the avarice of the meat consuming market. There's the failure to initiate and propigate fuel efficiency measures that would reduce liquid fuel consumption. There's the failure to promote a social principle of conservation/efficient use of liquid fuels. Instead, this bozo presents a global market that maintains all its present consumption habits and patterns, substituting only one fuel for another. It's mindless, as is your author's piece-meal premise. Happy Humbug. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Myles Arnott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this group, and have been following most of what has been posited and discussed with much interest. However, I came across this article today and was made to feel a little uneasy. I believe there is a lot of good (both environmental and humanitarian) to be
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
I don't know about you guys but here is how I came to the realization that there is indeed a God. Silly as it may seem, I found God through science. I respectfully offer another opinion. was taking up biochemistry. A single living cell, if I remember it correctly, has at least 600 chemical pathways/reactions occurring in sequence, in complementary of and simultaneous to one another. [rest of analogy skipped] Yes, all true. But consider the timeframe. It took humans a couple of centuries after we emerged from the dark ages to create watches, automobiles, atomic bombs, civilisation etc., with engineering ingenuity and determination. Nature (or god if you will) had BILLIONS of years to figure out the schemes that govern living beings as we know them. Plenty of time for trial and error huh ? Rainer __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Building For Biofuels
Building For Biofuels Uncertainty in oil prices is just one reason ethanol producers are building more plants in the U.S. By Tonya Vinas 12.1.2004 http://www.industryweek.com/CurrentArticles/Asp/articles.asp?ArticleId=1720 One might assume that the recent surges in oil prices would prompt fuel consumers to beat a path to U.S. ethanol producers -- but where in the heck are they? The answer is that indeed producers are building ethanol plants here, albeit their plans predated this year's oil-price panic. It hasn't hurt, Maurice Hladik says of the jagged nature of oil prices. But we're not planning on that as a strategy because the minute the prices go back down, you look silly. But we think below-$20-a-barrel prices are a thing of the past. Hladik is marketing director for Ottawa, Ontario-based Iogen Corp., a long-time enzyme manufacturer that is looking to build at least one plant in the Midwest to produce ethanol from crop waste. In April, Iogen, which has a $15 million business in enzymes, opened a large-scale demonstration plant in Canada to make its version of ethanol, which varies from the better-known version that's made from the edible part of crop plants. Now, the company is looking for a U.S. site, in western Nebraska, Idaho or elsewhere. Producers don't foresee a widespread swapping of petroleum-based fuels with pure ethanol but rather anticipate regulations that will make gasoline/ethanol mixed fuel a U.S. standard. Indeed, major automakers foresee this as well and are making their fleets compatible with ethanol/gasoline mixes. The manufacturers see regulations coming fairly soon in response to concerns over noxious emissions from production and use of carbon-based fuels, U.S. dependence on foreign oil, erratic oil pricing, and a desire to use more domestic agricultural products. (One ton of plant waste yields 75 to 85 gallons of ethanol.) Corporations, governments and private citizens are starting to use more and more ethanol-containing fuels when they are available. Government support for ethanol was apparent in October when President Bush signed the American Jobs Creation Act, which includes several tax breaks for alternative-fuel producers. Hladik says a requirement to use a 10% ethanol mixed fuel would require at least 200 U.S. ethanol plants. Seventy-nine plants exist, and a dozen are under construction, according the Wisconsin Agconnection information services. The U.S. industry is at record production, about 225,000 barrels a day. Another company building ethanol plants in the U.S. is Spain's Abengoa Bioenergy Corp. It produces 200 million gallons of ethanol a year and will produce 340 million when two more plants open next year in Nebraska and Spain. Already Abengoa has four plants -- two in Spain, one in Cotwich, Kans., and one in Portales, N.M. Abengoa, which also provides construction and information technology services, sees ethanol as a growth industry for the same reasons Iogen does. We are establishing long-term capabilities on both continents, says Gerson Santos-Leon, an RD director at the company. We want to be the supplier of choice. Among its clients are major petroleum producers including Shell, British Petroleum and Exxon, which have an obvious interest in ethanol technology. Similarly, Shell partners with Iogen, as does Petro Canada. The buy-in of traditional producers is important because they own the country's fuel-delivery infrastructure. We've got a very good relationship with Big Oil, Hladik says. Iogen's ethanol is already being used in government vehicles running on mixed fuel in Canada. The private sector-market isn't too far of a reach, the company thinks. This is an industry of the future, Hladik says. But the future isn't very far away. Abengoa Bioenergy http://www.abengoabioenergy.com Iogen Corporation http://www.iogen.ca/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Greg, It's never very important to me whether someone is well respected or not when they go off on a tear that is misleading, misthought and misguided, especially when such backwash gets published, widely or not. If those are the words of an environmentalist, I know a few dozen multi-national, petro-chemical companies who would eagerly reserve a ringside seat on their executive boards for the likes of him. Frankly, I have several other choice words beyond what I posted for idiots who don't preface their broadly incomplete thoughts as being just that, apparently with the expectation that anyone and everyone who sees their by-line will swill at their trough rather than think for themselves. People like that give eco- a bad name. And the exact same can be applied to mainstream nutritionists. relevant comments in there somewhere. Talk about a backhanded compliment. Personally I found it a bit condesending, but... The reason[ing], as you care to couch it, was posted. Unfortunately, you chose to downplay/largely-dismiss/ignore that and highlight the personal exception you take with someone who points out the flawed/incomplete reasoning of the well respected. What you call aggression is nothing more than open disdain for such patent wrong-thinking. Most folks haven't been reared with direct thought so when it comes along it seems out of place, althought just because it seems that way does not make it so, only to those rarely, if ever, exposed to it. If it's genuflecting to and butt kissing the well respected that you believe should occur, I think you need to look somewhere other than my direction. Folks should've figured that a long time ago :) If it's honesty and perhaps even a little substance that you're looking for, then be advised that there are often sharp edges that accompany both. Sharp yes, demeaning and condesending no. I live with someone like that and it often helps keep things in their proper perspective. Luc Todd Swearingen Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
- Original Message - From: rb 9 tr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping I don't know about you guys but here is how I came to the realization that there is indeed a God. Silly as it may seem, I found God through science. I respectfully offer another opinion. was taking up biochemistry. A single living cell, if I remember it correctly, has at least 600 chemical pathways/reactions occurring in sequence, in complementary of and simultaneous to one another. [rest of analogy skipped] Yes, all true. But consider the timeframe. It took humans a couple of centuries after we emerged from the dark ages to create watches, automobiles, atomic bombs, civilisation etc., with engineering ingenuity and determination. Nature (or god if you will) had BILLIONS of years to figure out the schemes that govern living beings as we know them. Plenty of time for trial and error huh ? You are assuming that science has in fact PROVEN the theory of BILLIONS of years. This is nothing but guess work based upon two self cancelling formats, anthropology and carbon dating. Actually provable science does not go back more than 6-7,000 years and as difficult as that may seem to get around afrter being fed a certain line for so long and by so many, that is the way it is. It just so happens that that als supports the time line offered in all three holy books;the Bible, Koran and Torah, so it really is a matter of faith vs unproven science and whom you choose to believe, and it is a choice. Luc Rainer __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
Hallo Folks, Comment below the quoted text. Saturday, 27 November, 2004, 00:27:15, you wrote: I don't know about you guys but here is how I came to the realization that there is indeed a God. Silly as it may seem, I found God through science. r9t I respectfully offer another opinion. was taking up biochemistry. A single living cell, if I remember it correctly, has at least 600 chemical pathways/reactions occurring in sequence, in complementary of and simultaneous to one another. r9t [rest of analogy skipped] r9t Yes, all true. But consider the timeframe. r9t It took humans a couple of centuries after we emerged r9t from the dark ages to create watches, automobiles, r9t atomic bombs, civilisation etc., with engineering r9t ingenuity and determination. r9t Nature (or god if you will) had BILLIONS of years to r9t figure out the schemes that govern living beings as r9t we know them. Plenty of time for trial and error huh ? r9t Rainer Yes, all true. But consider the product. Are you going to compare a watch or automobile or atomic bomb, whatever to the entirety of creation? Apples and oranges? Nope, Apples and golf balls. ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
Hello Mr. Rainer ; I still go with the first opinion. There is absolutely no comparison between an automobile, a pc, or any human invention and a simple blade of grass. Whoever designed the universe we live in clearly knows far more than we do. Once I was looking up at the ceiling and I noticed some motion. On closer inspection it was a tiny spider spinning a web. Now nobody taught it how to spin, so it must have been programmed into it's dna. The spider has within itself the ability to make more spiders. Let's say you were a scientist and you wanted to create this spider. You would have a monumental task in front of you. If I gave you all the scientists and all the money in the world you could not do it. Not even close. Then to complicate this impossible task to the infinity degree, this little spider needs small insects to live. Those insects in turn need plants and bacteria and who knows what else. So you couldn't just create the spider, you would need to create ALL life at the same time, and you can't even do this one tiny part.. To think that this universe is an accident of trial and error boggles the imagination. Clearly whoever designed this universe knows a HECK of a lot more than we do. In spite of what appear to be vast increases in knowledge (in physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy), we still know almost nothing when compared to the Creator. I am especially humbled when I ponder the night sky. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- rb 9 tr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about you guys but here is how I came to the realization that there is indeed a God. Silly as it may seem, I found God through science. I respectfully offer another opinion. was taking up biochemistry. A single living cell, if I remember it correctly, has at least 600 chemical pathways/reactions occurring in sequence, in complementary of and simultaneous to one another. [rest of analogy skipped] Yes, all true. But consider the timeframe. It took humans a couple of centuries after we emerged from the dark ages to create watches, automobiles, atomic bombs, civilisation etc., with engineering ingenuity and determination. Nature (or god if you will) had BILLIONS of years to figure out the schemes that govern living beings as we know them. Plenty of time for trial and error huh ? Rainer __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Wash Water Temperature
determining how complete the wash would be. I know that the outer ambient temp affects the reaction, and I have read about how the wash water should be at room temp or at least the saem temp as the BD being washed, but how far can these variables be and what could be the potential problems associated with a cold wash in warm BD for example ? Thanks Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wash Water Temperature
on 11/27/04 7:04 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read that the temperature of the wash water could be a factor in determining how complete the wash would be. A warm wash (I use around 45C) is always better -- dissolves mono- and diglycerides better, holds more NaOH, and helps to break up any emulsion that might form. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
I still go with the first opinion. There is absolutely no comparison between an automobile, a pc, or any human invention and a simple blade of grass. Whoever designed the universe we live in clearly knows far more than we do. Once I was looking up at the ceiling and I noticed some motion. On closer inspection it was a tiny spider spinning a web. Now nobody taught it how to spin, so it must have been programmed into it's dna. The spider has within itself the ability to make more spiders. Let's say you were a scientist and you wanted to create this spider. You would have a monumental task in front of you. If I gave you all the scientists and all the money in the world you could not do it. Not even close. A man who ponders spiders! Well met! We were pondering spiders last night. The light switches in this neck of the woods tend to hang on bits of string from the light, you're supposed to tug on 'em if you want to switch off the dark or switch it on again. Now, the problem is that some of us have less reach than others, being shorter of stature than others. To put it bluntly, Midori's a half-pint, five-foot-nothing - almost everyone around here's a half-pint (I'm of normal height, of course). The switch strings thus tend to be of a certain length, but the designers reckoned without the spiders, who, the web-spinners among them anyway (the jumpers are another story), were not slow to realise the implications for their lifestyle and wellbeing of the electric light bulb. Much do they owe to Edison. We have to get into the science of this a bit first. A hundred years ago scientists claimed insects communicated by telepathy. Fifty years ago they said it was done by radio, and now they agree it's by infra-red radiation. And also by means of chemical messengers called pheromones which insects send floating out into the air, with their own distinct infra-red frequencies. Everything that's alive radiates electromagnetic waves in the infra-red range, making a wonderfully rich picture which we can't see. Predator insects track their prey by their infra-red signatures, ants and termites regulate their vast cities by means of infra-red information micro-superhighways, hostile mosquitoes home in on mammals such as me by picking up IR waves on their antennae, and moths tune in to IR tags to find the right host plants, as well as to find mates. When a female moth seeks a mate she sends out a stream of pheromones, which male moths can detect over large distances by their IR signature. The pheromones emit IR light at extremely narrowband frequencies of around 17 micrometers. However, it turns out that the wax in a burning candle also emits IR light at extremely narrowband frequencies of around 17 micrometers. Life isn't always fair. Life, however, becomes downright inconclusive, though initially less lethal, when you substitute for the candle an electric light bulb. The frequency isn't quite the same as a candle, but it still works, like a badly tuned radio - you can still hear the music. So, from the moths' point of view, it wasn't so much that Mr Edison turned night into day as that he'd turned all their womenfolk into electric light bulbs. Rough though this might be on the moths, and not only moths, it provides rich pastures for the likes of web-spinning spiders. Just how something like a spider manages to figure with its dna or whatever that it's a really good idea to spin your web in front of an electric light bulb bears some pondering indeed, let alone how suddenly they all know it. Anyway. The spiders hereabouts naturally find the switch string a useful sort of strut to pin one end of the web to, in fact it's usually the first thing they pin, right at the end on the little thingie you're supposed to grab. They then pin it several more times in constructing the web, with various sub-weaves progressively woven to the main lanyards attached to the string. Since there's a tension involved, the thread being somewhat elastic, an increasing upwards pull is exerted upon the thingie at the end of the string, and by the time the web is finished the string, instead of hanging straight down according to the laws of gravity, curves gracefully upwards, ending up about six inches beyond the reach of certain of the shorter members of the household. You see. How many marriages are subjected to stresses such as this??? The ponderable bit, or the other ponderable bit, is the sheer mathematics of it, as well as the final result: if you examine the finished web, nowhere will you find the expected sagging main lanyard - all threads are taut. It's complicated enough to build a web, there are quite a few did-you-know's and Ripley's about it, but the spider takes this matter of the progressively bending main strut in its stride, simply changing all the angles a little as it goes along, as if it's working from a template of the finished web with its curved main
Re: [Biofuel] Wash Water Temperature
temp and might be a bit dificult to hold, however I understand about it needing to be a bit on the warm side. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wash Water Temperature on 11/27/04 7:04 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read that the temperature of the wash water could be a factor in determining how complete the wash would be. A warm wash (I use around 45C) is always better -- dissolves mono- and diglycerides better, holds more NaOH, and helps to break up any emulsion that might form. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
spiders were NOT designed by Microsoft. They might be, being full of bugs :) Also the spider's web is, relative to size, as strong as or stronger than steel. Interresting eh? You might have to get Midori a stool or invest in extra long strings attached :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheepletricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
Hallo Folks, Sunday, 28 November, 2004, 02:38:12, you wrote: C True, but what I mean is that life struggles to keep order within, C at least. C And, since a single individual can't do that forever, we procreate. C Best regards, C Christopher I'm replying to Christopers mail but these are just some general thoughts. I suppose I should not be amazed at how unreasonable people tend to be. I look at nearly anything, partisan politics, economics, religion and see the language of reasonableness but not the substance. It is as though folks just don't want to get along the want to be RIGHT at all costs. Now these are generalities folks. I don't know that I would set myself up as the standard by which reasonableness should be measured, but I don't see any conflict at all between evolution and creationism other than the artificial posturing by both sides. Artificial? Sure. Let's see either side give adequate proofs of anything they posit. They are all theories. Religion is theoretical. Science is theoretical. With religion the only sure knowledge we have is personal, subjective. Beyond that lies theory. Let's say there is a God or whatever one chooses to call it (let us not quibble over name and form). Suppose God thought, Hmm, I believe I will create something out of nothing (our concepts). and then set creation loose which resulted in a big bang or any other method and that set evolution to going. Then suppose, after evolution had worked long enough to get the sentient critters we humans are going and they decided to make sense and order out of things they did not understand so they decided write their holy texts explaining THEIR understanding of that which is beyond all understanding and set creation down as being six days and the date of creation some 6.000 years ago. Then along comes science and says, You've got your dates wrong so that invalidates the whole shebang. Both sides being wrong and unreasonable. Now let's say there is no God or whatever one chooses to call it. Let's say that we are an accident of nature and will never know how the whole thing began. Then let's further posit that humans created religion and imagined God to explain that which is also beyond all understanding which calls folks, in its proper use, to aspire to their highest moral and ethical values and to give more order and purpose to their lives than they might otherwise have. Where is the harm in that? And remember, I am not talking about the intolerance, hate and violence which seems to be the hallmark of organized religion, but of the love and cooperation engendered by ones personal relationship with that highest ideal we call God or whatever our religion chooses to call it. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive unless misused and misapprehended. It is only when partisanship enters and reasonableness and reason are absent when this occurs. There is a middle way which allows for both to coexist with dignity but some of the hardest words in any language are, I could be mistaken. We tend to confuse truth with fact and knowledge with wisdom and perhaps most importantly we tend to equate our own pipsqueak point of view with full knowledge and understanding in areas where full knowledge and understanding are, at least in this point of our development, beyond total comprehension. We humans are an odd lot, eh? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
You are assuming that science has in fact PROVEN the theory of BILLIONS of years. This is nothing but guess work based upon two self cancelling formats, anthropology and carbon dating. not really. there are scads of radiometric dating techniques which agree quite well with each other. Additionally there are dating methods as simple as counting tree rings - which as I recall go back for close to 10,000 years. There is a technique called thermoluminescence in quartz crystals, there are archeomagnetic methods. et al. Simply counting the layers in ice at Vostok, Antarctica gives data on the atmosphere of the planet for over 400,000 years. I really don't think you will find many scientifically trained folks who seriously question the age of the solar system. Unless of course you have an answer and are looking for a the right question. Actually provable science does not go back more than 6-7,000 yearsand as difficult as that may seem to get around afrter being fed a certain line for so long and by so many, that is the way it is. It just so happens that that als supports the time line offered in all three holy books;the Bible, Koran and Torah, so it really is a matter of faith vs unproven science and whom you choose to believe, and it is a choice. And why just the wisdom of these books, why not the wisdom of numerous other societies? There are something like 6000 languages on the planet. Aren't you being a little provincial to base chronologies on only three books? Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 19 of The Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly,10 December 1948: ~~~ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
Yes, many believe the evolution hypothesis even though it has many flaws. There is more support to believe we were all placed here by the mother ship than by evolution. Better than the mothership though, to me, is to believe there is more to heaven and earth than my philosophy and that there is a greater power. GOD if you like. Religion is our pitiful attempt to rationalize this power, this other. Kirk --- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legal Eagle, Gustl and Guag, Thanks. I couldn't have said it any better. Regards, Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guag Meister Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping Hello Mr. Rainer ; I still go with the first opinion. There is absolutely no comparison between an automobile, a pc, or any human invention and a simple blade of grass. Whoever designed the universe we live in clearly knows far more than we do. Once I was looking up at the ceiling and I noticed some motion. On closer inspection it was a tiny spider spinning a web. Now nobody taught it how to spin, so it must have been programmed into it's dna. The spider has within itself the ability to make more spiders. Let's say you were a scientist and you wanted to create this spider. You would have a monumental task in front of you. If I gave you all the scientists and all the money in the world you could not do it. Not even close. Then to complicate this impossible task to the infinity degree, this little spider needs small insects to live. Those insects in turn need plants and bacteria and who knows what else. So you couldn't just create the spider, you would need to create ALL life at the same time, and you can't even do this one tiny part.. To think that this universe is an accident of trial and error boggles the imagination. Clearly whoever designed this universe knows a HECK of a lot more than we do. In spite of what appear to be vast increases in knowledge (in physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy), we still know almost nothing when compared to the Creator. I am especially humbled when I ponder the night sky. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- rb 9 tr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about you guys but here is how I came to the realization that there is indeed a God. Silly as it may seem, I found God through science. I respectfully offer another opinion. was taking up biochemistry. A single living cell, if I remember it correctly, has at least 600 chemical pathways/reactions occurring in sequence, in complementary of and simultaneous to one another. [rest of analogy skipped] Yes, all true. But consider the timeframe. It took humans a couple of centuries after we emerged from the dark ages to create watches, automobiles, atomic bombs, civilisation etc., with engineering ingenuity and determination. Nature (or god if you will) had BILLIONS of years to figure out the schemes that govern living beings as we know them. Plenty of time for trial and error huh ? Rainer __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.
Hi Hakan, I would be very interested in reading that UN report that you mentioned--I did some searches but couldn't find it. Do you have a URL? - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 11:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. --- begin quote see this as very positive. I also read the UN report about the social impacts of ethanol production in Brazil during the last 30 years. It was a lot of positive things that was confirmed and verified. I cannot understand how people in US, UK and Australia can fall for scare tactics about biofuel, when we have such a well documented pilot case to look at. --- end quote --- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping
Hi Peggy, It was nothing. Regards, Christopher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping Hi Christopher, Thanks for your story. It's never too late to be a beacon of light. The realization that there is an eternal will to good is another insight that should make scientists ecstatic with delight. And knowing that we get what we focus on is another reason to keep the solutions forthcoming when we see that those who focus on things that are not globally beneficial may need to trim their sails. Appreciation is the first step in receiving the rewards of creation. I'm always pleased to see how individuals come to their realizations... and those who come to doom and gloom predictions need encouragement to spark their fire rather than smolder in apathy. The path to understanding and wisdom if filled with may challenges. As world dancers, we need to show the others how to rock and roll. Best wishes, Peggy Rock and roll will never die. (This may be a bit late.) I don't know about you guys but here is how I came to the realization that there is indeed a God. Silly as it may seem, I found God through science. A philosophy professor of mine once made an analogy. I don't know if its an original but here it goes. Say you are simple person walking on a beach on a deserted island. While walking you happen to find a watch on the beach, all shiny and ticking. Wouldn't it occur to you that someone made that watch which is so sophisticated with gears springs and all? I paid no attention to my professors analogy until a few years later when I was taking up biochemistry. A single living cell, if I remember it correctly, has at least 600 chemical pathways/reactions occurring in sequence, in complementary of and simultaneous to one another. And, so I found my watch on the beach. I you look at everything closely,contradicting as it may sound, you'll see the magnificence of how everything has its own place in the universe, how everything follows a certain order. Also, nothing else in the universe goes against ENTROPY but living things. Regards, Christopher ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
