Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would need to be changed (when switching from petrol to ethanol and/or biodiesel)? Here's what the report states on p. 71, Table 4-1: [Regarding Corn and cellulosic ethanol] Compatible with existing infrastructure: It Depends . . . Can be blended with gasoline at varying levels, but cannot now be transported by pipeline and must be moved by barge or truck. It doesn't state that this is a problem with biodiesel however. From: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf Thanks folks. Be Well, - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy Dear BioFuel Readers, Regarding the recent US Energy Strategy, I read the executive summary which is as follows: 1. ENHANCING OIL SECURITY 2. REDUCING RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE 3. INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY 4. ENSURING AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLIES 5. STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 6. DEVELOPING ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE FUTURE As it relates to US activity in biofuels/ethanol/non-petroleum fuels, it appears the bipartisan panel strategy provides much opportunity for entrepreneurs and biofuel advocates. I wish there was more wording and attention by the commissioners on the actual ream activities of the distribution of new fuels, the refineries themselves and the pipeline distribution of non-petroleum fuels (soy, canola, rapeseed, WVO, SVO, ethanol, CNG) and more wording on the conversion of existing refineries into biodiesel refineries. Thanks Keith for the notification. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The National Commission on Energy Policy--a bipartisan group of energy experts from industry, government, labor, academia, and environmental and consumer groups--released a consensus strategy to address major long-term US energy challenges. The report, Ending the Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet America's Energy Challenges, contains policy recommendations for addressing oil security, climate change, natural gas supply, the future of nuclear energy, and other long-term challenges. The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and hydrogen technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially competitive with gasoline by 2020. The Commission supports continued research and development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) solution. The Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen offers little to no potential to improve oil security and reduce climate change risks in the next twenty years, said the report. To enhance US oil security, the Commission recommends increasing and diversifying world oil production, strengthening federal fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks beginning no later than 2010 and reforming the 30-year-old Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) program. Furthermore, production of hybrid and advanced diesel vehicles would be encouraged by $3 billion over ten years in manufacturer and consumer incentives. Incentives would be also provided for the development of non-petroleum transportation fuel alternatives, particularly ethanol and biodiesel from waste products and biomass. These steps could reduce US oil consumption in 2025 by an estimated 10-15% or 3-5 million barrels per day. To reduce risks from climate change, the report suggests (1) mandatory GHG emission reductions, and (2) international cooperation in GHG reduction programs--both approaches traditionally opposed by the US administration. The Commission recommends implementing in 2010 a mandatory,
Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour
Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops. what many perceive to be slave shops and use the income in USD to be used as a reference is taking matters out of context.comparison should be apple to apple, meaning the pay the sweatshop pays out should be compared locally. It might be cheap labour, not slave labour. without a fulltime employment, many of this slave labour would be starving and out on the street. instead of holding yourself being above supporting goods made in this manner , ask yourself would it actually help them if the company goes bust for lack of business. It would be much better to support these companies by buying their products, at the same time encourage them with the money they have earned to benefit their employees. After all the main profiteer is not person who owns the sweatshop but the person who sells the finshed good to the West. YC Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I would like to find out more about the catalog you mentioned. Thanks, P.Wolfe --- Keith Addison wrote: Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi Gustl ; It is my sincere hope that given the internet and the possibility of communicating with others in other countries that we come to realize that people in general all want the same thing for themselves which is peace and enough. Enough food, shelter, work, friendship, safety. There are those few at the top who want it all and they are the ones who manipulate the rest for their own ends. People get the government they deserve. You know here in Thailand there is a king. The Thai people really love their king. The winner of the first ever Olympic gold medal for Thailand returned home and gave the medal to the king! Now I understand why. Having grown up in America, the concept of royalty was quite foreign to me. I was brought up to believe separation of powers, democracy, etc. OF COURSE was the best way. Now I'm not so sure anymore. There is a parliament here, but when I see all the machinations, the king is by far the best of all of them. If we pay attention we can see this. Yes, a big IF. If we don't then things will not change. The blame game is not the best thing for us to be playing. I hope it never appeared like I was blaming anyone. It is better to recognize that every country has its good and bad points, its faults and its advantages. No country has the market cornered on good or evil. Correct. Not only that, but you never really know the real story anyway after the media spins it for you. In the case we were discussing, there were huge differences in the Chinese and US news accounts. It is quite useless and counterproductive to form strong opinions on bs. Normally I try to reject both sides and just say Stop fighting!. When I was in the military I was in Naples, Italy and there was a certain section of town which was off limits because it was a Communist stronghold and both the Italian and US authorities thought it would be dangerous for a US serviceman to go there. Of course I went there straight away. I sat down in a bar and ordered beer and the commies came up and started talking to me. At first they were a bit cautious and hostile and we certainly had different views of how the world should be run but we found common ground on what we all wanted which was peace and enough. When the Italian police and US military police found out there was a serviceman in the place they tried to come in and take me out and arrest me but my enemies, the commies refused them admittance and hustled me out the back door to another place where we continued our conversation undisturbed. No minds were changed that day when it came to politics but a mutual understanding and respect was achieved without violence and without strife. It is possible. What an excellent story!! Quite unusual for people to buck the norm like you did. A Thai company has set up a living area for some Cambodia migrant workers behind my house. The Thai people near me are all alarmed. I have a 6 year old daughter, and I routinely let her stay at the poorest Cambodia house in the neighborhood, a small one room wood shack with a tin roof. The lady there has two daughters about the same age as my daughter. The Thai people say it is dangerous and think I am crazy and a bad father. Oh well. I try to teach be example, but it ain't easy.. Are we all the same? Yes of course. Do we want the same things, peace, enough to eat, decent work? Yes of course. Is this enough to change the world? I never miss an opportunity to try, but I don't bet on it. This is only my opinion. Nothing personal. I have seen how far this list has come from a year ago and am amazed and impressed. We have had our disagreements and not everyone thinks the same but with reason and tolerance we have become a pretty good family unit I think. Those who have sought to disrupt the list because of their own self interests and beliefs are gone in the main. Those of us left are civil, tolerant and reasonable in the main. We still have a ways to go but then we are always going to have a ways to go. Perfection doesn't seem destined for this world but that doesn't mean we should stop trying. If our governments, militaries and economic entities want to play at division let the common people play at peace and cooperation. Much has been achieved with more to follow. There is always hope for change. Yes there is!! Best Regards and Happy New Year!!, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Bill (was New Car)
I have seen some high frequency ballasts that just chop the 60 Hz so the 15% efficiency improvement is lost. This is separate from the ballast loss, it is a raising of the bulb efficiency by not allowing quench to proceed as far inside the lamp. They label these as HF but it is misleading. I call it fraud but. . . Kirk --- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Peter, Actually I changed out all my fixtures last year and really noticed a savings. I am only running 2 ballasts this year, not 4, but every little bit helps. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:53 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Hi Daryl and Kim ; Wouldn't hurt to look into T8 or T5 fluorescents though for your grow-lighting, especially if they are being used for hours a day. Efficiency advances in the past few years have been pretty impressive. I think the T5s require advanced ballasts, but the T8s can be a straight tube swap depending on the fixtures. Please be careful about the ballast when applying flourescent lighting in energy saving situations. The old style transformer ballast in general wastes as much energy as is delivered to the lamp. In other words, for a 20 watt flourescent, the ballast wastes 20 watts for a total consumption of 40 watts. The new switching ballasts waste less than 1 watt for 20 watt flourescent. You can tell the difference by the weight : the transformer ballast weighs about a pound, and the switching ballast weighs just a few ounces. Any time anyone is buying new fixtures, I always recommend going with the new electronic switching ballasts. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hi Walt ; Within living memory, China has taken economic steps which resulted in the deaths of millions of their own citizens; I therefore conclude that they wouldn't blush at taking steps which diminished the quality of life for Americans or Japanese. Quite true. I am not a historian, but apparently the Cambodian fiasco was financed and conducted with Chinese management and military resources. It appeared to be an experiment. Poeple were driven from their homes and all money was destroyed. Since it failed so badly, one of two things is possible. One, the Chinese have abandoned the ideology, or two, they have analyzed what went wrong so they can try again somewhere else. Let's all hope it is number one. Before CS goes ballistic, let me also say that the US as well as almost every other nation has colonized foreign countires too, sometimes violently (eg. Iraq). Let's all hope they too analyze what went wrong and don't try again somewhere else (Iran). I'm happy that CS trusts the Chinese government and it's intentions. I don't. Heck, I don't trust the intentions of the US government, or the French government, or the German government (I trust you get the pattern here). Absolutely right. My position would be that the folks in charge in China are not fools, and neither are they stooges for Wal-Mart. My guess is that they have a plan to convert the US into a colony exporting food and raw materials to China; I could be wrong, but that's the way the future looks to me. In interesting possibility. If it did turn out that way, it would only be because the US followed economic policies which allowed it to happen. This is looking more and more likely. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Walt, Do not worry, I do not think that China (or any other country) see US as a major source of food for humans. It is almost unconceivable that they would go to such efforts to secure corn supply for their own poultry production. LOL Hakan At 07:40 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: At 09:23 AM 12/30/2004, robert wrote: Walt Patrick wrote: That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Wouldn't that strategy be detrimental to the Chinese? Would it be wise to make such a tremendous investment only to watch its value evaporate? What of the Chinese economy in that case? The Chinese are clever people. (There are, in fact, clever people all over the world.) Why would they seek the demise of their largest market? I absolutely agree that the Chinese are clever people. I would also add that I believe they're deadly serious about what they're doing. CS would evidently have us believe that the Chinese didn't understand what they were doing when they devalued their currency and then pegged it to the dollar. Perhaps, but I don't buy it. I think they had a plan and were acting in accordance with that plan. I may not know what their plan was, but I'm confident that they acted reasonably and in accordance with their traditions and world view. Politics at that level is a multi-track affair, and some of the tracks contradict other tracks. For example, one might was well ask why the US, or Russia, or China would build nuclear arsenals capable of blowing their customers back into the Stone Age? Destroying one's customers is obviously not good for business, but there are certain geopolitical advantages to be had from possessing the ability to do that. Just as there are advantages to be gained from _being able_ to nuke the other side's economy, which you'll please note, is a different thing from actually doing it. Within living memory, China has taken economic steps which resulted in the deaths of millions of their own citizens; I therefore conclude that they wouldn't blush at taking steps which diminished the quality of life for Americans or Japanese. For example, their ability to throw the US economy into a tailspin by dumping dollars makes for an interesting non-nuclear option for them to threaten deploy when they decide to resolve the Taiwan problem. I'm happy that CS trusts the Chinese government and it's intentions. I don't. Heck, I don't trust the intentions of the US government, or the French government, or the German government (I trust you get the pattern here). About the best I can hope for is that they are acting in their reasonable self interest - i.e. that the folks in charge are not fools. My position would be that the folks in charge in China are not fools, and neither are they stooges for Wal-Mart. My guess is that they have a plan to convert the US into a colony exporting food and raw materials to China; I could be wrong, but that's the way the future looks to me. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
use it as biofuel effective, I would personally welcome it .. .. because I won't eat it. At least all those dollars spent and treaties signed (not to mention anything else) wouldn't go to waste. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:52:49 EST I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
Dear Rich, I will send you and article or two. You may want to join the Society of Tribologists and Lubricant Engineers (STLE) as I am a member. STLE is the study of lubricants and grease. The fields of biotribology and biolubricants are under great study. Generally speaking, many of the majors (majors means major companies) now have departments and product lines devoted to vegetable based bio-oils and bio-lubricants. The process essentially follows the process to achieve biodiesel in which the ingedients undergoe a transesterification process. Companies such as Cargill have whole new lines of research devoted to this area. In the United States, the state of Iowa has opened a new educational initiative devoted to soy-based and vegetable based lubricants and oils. The majors approach in two ways 1) the truly vegatable based bio-oils and bio-lubricants; 2) the synthetic vegetable based bio oils and bio lubricants. The synthetic process involves a few more chemical changes and thus cannot really be called green bio by the purists. But they are used in forest and water based sensitive enviroments and are rather benign as are the true biolubes and bio-oils. It is a great topic. By the way, there is also research in the area of human biolubricants. Why? Because people with arthritic joints have a general lack of natural synovial fluid in their joints. The causes are not yet well known but replacement synovial fluids are being looked at...but nothing found yet. So biotribologies are seeking safe alternatives and will take years of research. Lubricants themselves are a hidden gem. Think how the world would be without a lubricating substance! We would not be able to walk, talk, kiss, smell, turn our heads, jump, drive, fly, and even type on a keyboard without the appropriate lubricant to ameliorate the friction of two rubbing surfaces. And that is the study of tribology. Good question. Phillip Wolfe Society of Tribologists and Lubricant Engineers www.stle.org --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Do not worry, I do not think that China (or any other country) see US as a major source of food for humans. It is almost unconceivable that they would go to such efforts to secure corn supply for their own poultry production. LOL I live in an agricultural county in the Pacific Northwest, and there's little doubt around here that China is a major buyer of local products, and the focus isn't on corn, it's on wheat. Those who argue for the food colony concept note that there has been a sizable movement of people away from rural farms towards factory jobs in China, and that with internal food production falling, it's inevitable that China will be importing more food in the future. And while the Chinese population is increasing, it's arable land isn't. And it's not just the US alone; the recent spate of Chinese purchases in Canada is signaling an increase in the utilization of North America as a source for raw materials for Chinese industry. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Buying methanol and lye in singapore
Hi Phillip, I've not received any reply(except yours) until now. I'm told that i need license to get sodium hydroxide. Can you please tell me what is the correct term to use for buying methanol and lye in singapore. When i enquired, i was told methanol is available only in 2.5 litre cans costing 30S$. Actually i'm trying to learn bio-diesel preperation with new vegetable oil. Thanks for your reply. Cheers, Prabu On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:31:33 -0800 (PST), Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prau, Have you recieved an answer to your question yet? If not, I will send you information but it may be at a commerical type facility instead of retail and in larger volume. Phillip Wolfe --- prabu anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] education for green jobs
Hello to all- I have been receiving and reading the biofuel digest for a couple of months now,and have really begun to value the wealth of information that is connected to it.I could condsider myself a 'newbie' in the field of renewables (1-2 years of growing interest), and could be classified as part of the 'interested public'. I am now seeking some information on possible paths of education for a career in some sort of renewables.As of now I don't have much more than a high school diploma,but have a lot of mechanical apptitude.I live in northern California,and I think that Solar is an interesting field,and it has been growing considerably in the last few years.What I am wondering,is if anyone has some good suggestions on where to start.Should I just try to get in at a lower level, i.e. installations; or first get some technical experience in say, electrical work.This would be while I am carrying on with my current work-which unfortunately consumes fossil fuels (natural gas -I am a scientific glassblower). Or should I just go for the gusto, and get a full college education, in some broader field of work - that would enable me to be somewhere in renewables.Please help, it is harder than you think being hypocritical in my line of work and in thinking. Thanks- Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour
Readers, 1-Palm brings up some good points. I asked my friend from Honduras for their point of view. Here it is: Honduran - In the northern part of Honduras we have many garment factories. They now pay in dollars not limperas. The fact that they pay in dollars is already playing havoc with the Honduran limpera. They pay about $1 per hour. My friend works there. She tried to make it in the U.S but returned home and could not find work. So she got a job as a shirtmaker and has four kids and a single mom. It is hard for her. She wishes she could make more but does not have an education. Phillip - What are your views about slave labor and the pay to your friend? Honduran - Well, many of the garment factory owners are not native Honduras and that is an issue in itself. Our women should get an education first some people cannot due to money. I think it comes down to a dignity and human right issue. Is a $1 per hour really a fair wage in the American continents? I don't know because my friend would not have a job anyway if it was not for the garment factory. But I think the owner should pay more...why not? But I also think the garment factory owner is under pressure because he/she is trying to get a contract from the big companies like Gap, Nike, Banana Republic, et al. and so maybe it's a business thing for me without thinking about his workers. But I think it is a human rights and human dignity issue. But because people don't talk about it or monitor it then nohting changes...So maybe we as people should work together and do more monitoring...sorta like the unions but unions are not always good either...so it is basic human rights and dignity. Phillip - What is your feeling about those companies you mentioned such as Gap, Nike, et al? Honduran -I think the decision makers are so far removed it is not an intentional thing it is just the fact they are not constantly reminded of the issue..so it is an awareness thing. but it is all about access and hierarchy and power...and the human condition.. Phillip - Are there any answers? Honduran - Yes, for me it's all about education and and educating the mind...and monitoring the bad situations and making people aware of the plight My mom was a teacher in Honduras and many of her students went on to become medical doctors and teacher Honduras is not poor like people think...we just don't have all the material riches For example, in the 1960s I grew as a kid without elecricity until late 60s and we were the first to have a television. We were never poor. So it is all relative. So yes, I think about these issues all time. Phillip - What are YOu doing now as a career? Honduran - I am working on my degree and work for a large investment banking firm in the United States and now a US Citizen. I go back to Honduras and talk to young girls on the importance of education End of discussion. --- 1 palm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops. what many perceive to be slave shops and use the income in USD to be used as a reference is taking matters out of context.comparison should be apple to apple, meaning the pay the sweatshop pays out should be compared locally. It might be cheap labour, not slave labour. without a fulltime employment, many of this slave labour would be starving and out on the street. instead of holding yourself being above supporting goods made in this manner , ask yourself would it actually help them if the company goes bust for lack of business. It would be much better to support these companies by buying their products, at the same time encourage them with the money they have earned to benefit their employees. After all the main profiteer is not person who owns the sweatshop but the person who sells the finshed good to the West. YC Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I would like to find out more about the catalog you mentioned. Thanks, P.Wolfe --- Keith Addison wrote: Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Peter, You live closer to it, but I have large difficulties to see that China was behind the Cambodian Pol Pot philosophies. It was in its essence an onslaught on education and knowledge, something that is very difficult to identify with the policies of China. China have during the last 50 years had a very active support of education and knowledge. They have gone to extremes to build a solid base of professionals in all sciences. I have seen and experienced this, since the early 1960's, in their student programs for foreign studies and their willingness to send students to other countries. Hakan At 02:05 AM 12/31/2004, you wrote: Hi Walt ; Within living memory, China has taken economic steps which resulted in the deaths of millions of their own citizens; I therefore conclude that they wouldn't blush at taking steps which diminished the quality of life for Americans or Japanese. Quite true. I am not a historian, but apparently the Cambodian fiasco was financed and conducted with Chinese management and military resources. It appeared to be an experiment. Poeple were driven from their homes and all money was destroyed. Since it failed so badly, one of two things is possible. One, the Chinese have abandoned the ideology, or two, they have analyzed what went wrong so they can try again somewhere else. Let's all hope it is number one. Before CS goes ballistic, let me also say that the US as well as almost every other nation has colonized foreign countires too, sometimes violently (eg. Iraq). Let's all hope they too analyze what went wrong and don't try again somewhere else (Iran). I'm happy that CS trusts the Chinese government and it's intentions. I don't. Heck, I don't trust the intentions of the US government, or the French government, or the German government (I trust you get the pattern here). Absolutely right. My position would be that the folks in charge in China are not fools, and neither are they stooges for Wal-Mart. My guess is that they have a plan to convert the US into a colony exporting food and raw materials to China; I could be wrong, but that's the way the future looks to me. In interesting possibility. If it did turn out that way, it would only be because the US followed economic policies which allowed it to happen. This is looking more and more likely. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour
Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops. Sometimes it is exactly that. Often. what many perceive to be slave shops and use the income in USD to be used as a reference is taking matters out of context.comparison should be apple to apple, meaning the pay the sweatshop pays out should be compared locally. It might be cheap labour, not slave labour. without a fulltime employment, many of this slave labour would be starving and out on the street. instead of holding yourself being above supporting goods made in this manner , ask yourself would it actually help them if the company goes bust for lack of business. No, it wouldn't help them. Or maybe it would if it's the kind of company that locks its workers into their dormitories at night and is so lax about safety measures that the factory catches fire and all the workers are burnt to death. How many cases of that happening have you heard of? More than a few, eh? Multiply by hundreds or thousands for an idea of the number of such factories that haven't caught fire, yet. Bhopal was not an exception, it's about par for the course. The object is not to put the company out of business so much as to make them accountable, along with the whole structure that enables and supports these practices, so that the practices themselves will be stopped and poor and needy workers given a fair deal rather than being ruthlessly exploited, used up, wasted. Your apples to apples is barely the tip of the iceberg. Comparing wages and relative costs-of-living won't tell you about the complete lack of workers' and human rights, nor of the poor safety conditions and the relentless pressure for ever-higher production (quotas) that leads to very high rates of accidents and maimings, without any hope of compensation other than You're fired!, nor of the ruined lives, the constant fear of losing the job and then not just you but your family will face starvation, and what it really won't tell you is the miserable story of the 10 without any job at all for every one who's lucky enough at least to have this travesty of employment. With luck like that who needs misfortune? The idea that these evil practices should be allowed to continue so that poor workers can have an income is not saving them, it's condemning them. Have a look at the structures of these societies and their economies, and of corporate globalisation, and see where else the pressure required to force change and improvement on the part of the perpetrators is likely to come from if not from informed consumers and independent activist groups. Please see: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004166.html [Biofuel] Made in China? Of Trade, Quotas And Fairness It would be much better to support these companies by buying their products, at the same time encourage them with the money they have earned to benefit their employees. Voluntary compliance, eh? It doesn't have a very impressive record. What you'll get is tokenism, from the companies themselves and from the structures that make their practices possible. The impetus and intention is in the opposite direction. The economic growth fostered by neoliberal corporate globalisation does not create wealth as alleged, it extracts wealth and concentrates it, leaving poverty and misery in its wake. Free trade is anything but free, it's simply unregulated. Piracy and brigandry ought not to be unregulated. The winds of free trade favour the ships with the biggest sails, and sink the rest. The impetus for *fair* trade, a very different matter, comes from exactly the people you're criticising. In probably the most comprehensive study to date, Scorecard on Globalization 1980-2000, Mark Weisbrot, Dean Baker and other researchers at the Center for Economic and Policy Research found that economic growth and rates of improvement in life expectancy, child mortality, education levels and literacy all declined in the era of global corporatization (1980-2000) compared to 1960-1980. Millions of people who could have escaped a lifetime of poverty under the former rules of market economics under democratic limits were unable to do so under the new rules of global corporate governance. For economic growth and almost all of the other indicators, the last 20 years have shown a very clear decline in progress as compared with the previous two decades... The poorest group went from a per capita GDP growth rate of 1.9 percent annually in 1960-80, to a *decline* of 0.5 percent per year (1980-2000). By almost every measure, the progress achieved in the two decades of globalization has been considerably less than the progress in the period from 1960 to 1980,
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.
Hi Hakan ; I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so anyone please feel free to correct me. I have many Khmer friends, and I discuss this with them often. From what I understand there were weekly flights to Beijing for supplies and military strategists. However (CS), this was only after a decade of secret bombing by the US had smashed the country and killed countless people.. Pol Pot And Kissinger - On war criminality and impunity http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm and The death of Pol Pot http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/apr1998/plpt-a18.shtml It was here that Pol Pot, heavily influenced by the Chinese Stalinists, devised the political perspective of what was to become the Khmer Rouge--an extreme form of Mao Zedong's eclectic mixture of Stalinism, nationalism and peasant radicalism. It is characteristic of the ideological falsification produced by Stalinism that the label of Marxism has been placed upon social and political phenomena which have nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of Marx, Engels or Lenin. Classical Marxism envisioned a new society, democratically controlled by the working class, which would take as its point of departure the highest level of the productive forces developed under capitalism. This presupposed the widest possible scope for the development of industry, science and technique, all of them bound up with the growth of cities, the urban proletariat and the cultural life of the population as a whole. No more grotesque distortion can be imagined than to categorize as Marxist the ideas of Pol Pot and his cohorts. As early as the 1950s Khieu Samphan, Pol Pot's closest aide, had outlined a perspective of creating a primitive peasant-based society in which money, culture and all other facets of urban life would be abolished. and http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/polpot2.html The Khmer Rouge regime reached a climax in September 1977 when Pol Pot took to the airwaves and spoke for nearly five hours on Cambodian radio. For the first time, Pol Pot acknowledged to the world that Cambodia was now run by a communist government. The day after the speech he flew to Beijing to meet with Hua Guofeng, who had just become leader of the People's Republic of China following the death of Mao Ze Dong. The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a much better position to win the fight. The meeting probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another sign of China's military support of an increasingly dangerous Cambodia. I guess this validates what we have all been saying. The average American wouldn't support secret bombing of Cambodia, yet there was secret bombing. The average Chinese wouldn't support Pol Port, yet there was Pol Pot. It is the shysters at the top that seem to screw things up for everybody. Will the average person ever see? I still have hope. Best Regards and Happy New Year!!, Peter G. Thailand --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, You live closer to it, but I have large difficulties to see that China was behind the Cambodian Pol Pot philosophies. It was in its essence an onslaught on education and knowledge, something that is very difficult to identify with the policies of China. China have during the last 50 years had a very active support of education and knowledge. They have gone to extremes to build a solid base of professionals in all sciences. I have seen and experienced this, since the early 1960's, in their student programs for foreign studies and their willingness to send students to other countries. Hakan __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
Um, sorry, not so. Canola is a low-erucic acid variety of rape, developed in Canada by conventional breeding methods. There's been much previous discussion about canola, its character and origins, please see the list archives. There are GM varieties of both rape and canola, which I agree should probably be biodieseled as long as it's being grown (hopefully not long), and ordinary rape and canola both tend to be industrialised monocrops with high fossil-fuel dependence, but the far more common non-GM varieties of both rape and canola can be and are grown sustainably too. Nice oil for motors. Best wishes Keith if there is a way to use it as biofuel effective, I would personally welcome it .. .. because I won't eat it. At least all those dollars spent and treaties signed (not to mention anything else) wouldn't go to waste. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:52:49 EST I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
I'm a bit of a tribalist myself. (Sorry!) I didn't know that word, thanks. A very informative post from Frantz on bio oils seems to have gone largely unnoticed: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041213/003780.html [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Best wishes Keith Dear Rich, I will send you and article or two. You may want to join the Society of Tribologists and Lubricant Engineers (STLE) as I am a member. STLE is the study of lubricants and grease. The fields of biotribology and biolubricants are under great study. Generally speaking, many of the majors (majors means major companies) now have departments and product lines devoted to vegetable based bio-oils and bio-lubricants. The process essentially follows the process to achieve biodiesel in which the ingedients undergoe a transesterification process. Companies such as Cargill have whole new lines of research devoted to this area. In the United States, the state of Iowa has opened a new educational initiative devoted to soy-based and vegetable based lubricants and oils. The majors approach in two ways 1) the truly vegatable based bio-oils and bio-lubricants; 2) the synthetic vegetable based bio oils and bio lubricants. The synthetic process involves a few more chemical changes and thus cannot really be called green bio by the purists. But they are used in forest and water based sensitive enviroments and are rather benign as are the true biolubes and bio-oils. It is a great topic. By the way, there is also research in the area of human biolubricants. Why? Because people with arthritic joints have a general lack of natural synovial fluid in their joints. The causes are not yet well known but replacement synovial fluids are being looked at...but nothing found yet. So biotribologies are seeking safe alternatives and will take years of research. Lubricants themselves are a hidden gem. Think how the world would be without a lubricating substance! We would not be able to walk, talk, kiss, smell, turn our heads, jump, drive, fly, and even type on a keyboard without the appropriate lubricant to ameliorate the friction of two rubbing surfaces. And that is the study of tribology. Good question. Phillip Wolfe Society of Tribologists and Lubricant Engineers www.stle.org --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
Best Keith Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would need to be changed (when switching from petrol to ethanol and/or biodiesel)? Here's what the report states on p. 71, Table 4-1: [Regarding Corn and cellulosic ethanol] Compatible with existing infrastructure: It Depends . . . Can be blended with gasoline at varying levels, but cannot now be transported by pipeline and must be moved by barge or truck. It doesn't state that this is a problem with biodiesel however. From: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf Thanks folks. Be Well, - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy Dear BioFuel Readers, Regarding the recent US Energy Strategy, I read the executive summary which is as follows: 1. ENHANCING OIL SECURITY 2. REDUCING RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE 3. INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY 4. ENSURING AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLIES 5. STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 6. DEVELOPING ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE FUTURE As it relates to US activity in biofuels/ethanol/non-petroleum fuels, it appears the bipartisan panel strategy provides much opportunity for entrepreneurs and biofuel advocates. I wish there was more wording and attention by the commissioners on the actual ream activities of the distribution of new fuels, the refineries themselves and the pipeline distribution of non-petroleum fuels (soy, canola, rapeseed, WVO, SVO, ethanol, CNG) and more wording on the conversion of existing refineries into biodiesel refineries. Thanks Keith for the notification. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The National Commission on Energy Policy--a bipartisan group of energy experts from industry, government, labor, academia, and environmental and consumer groups--released a consensus strategy to address major long-term US energy challenges. The report, Ending the Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet America's Energy Challenges, contains policy recommendations for addressing oil security, climate change, natural gas supply, the future of nuclear energy, and other long-term challenges. The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and hydrogen technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially competitive with gasoline by 2020. The Commission supports continued research and development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) solution. The Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen offers little to no potential to improve oil security and reduce climate change risks in the next twenty years, said the report. To enhance US oil security, the Commission recommends increasing and diversifying world oil production, strengthening federal fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks beginning no later than 2010 and reforming the 30-year-old Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) program. Furthermore, production of hybrid and advanced diesel vehicles would be encouraged by $3 billion over ten years in manufacturer and consumer incentives. Incentives would be also provided for the development of non-petroleum transportation fuel alternatives, particularly ethanol and biodiesel from waste products and biomass. These steps could reduce US oil consumption in 2025 by an estimated 10-15% or 3-5 million barrels per day. To reduce risks from climate change, the report suggests (1) mandatory GHG emission reductions, and (2) international cooperation in GHG reduction programs--both approaches traditionally opposed by the US administration. The Commission recommends implementing in 2010 a mandatory, economy-wide tradable-permits
Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
I would recommend starting here: http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html and prepare to do some reading. All the best, AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA On Dec 30, 2004, at 5:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
Hello again Rich, Having just RE-read your actual question, (it would have helped had I actually done this in the first place!) it is painfully obvious that my previous link is going to be of no use to you. Good thing we have knowledgeable folks around here who do silly little thing's like READ THE QUESTIONS the first time, unlike myself, huh? Anyway, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I have some egg to remove from my face now. LOL AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Car
While a little bit of sweat won't melt me, the heat we get will cause heart attacks and other problems. HellIt's not the heat. It's the humidity. Ever noticed how in decades past the south was notorious for slowing down in summers. They just took it in stride. Naps here. Breaks there. Can't go any faster than the body will let you, so why bother? Sounds to me as if you need to get your super-insulated, walk-in refrigerator/freezer built by summer, perhaps even before thinking about a car. At least then you could set up a lawn chair or bench inside so you could have instant sanctuary from the heat. Personally? I always liked pushing it on hot days until my skin and limbs started to tingle. Heckuva rush, but still the cue to chill and rehydrate. Postmaster here keeps mentioning a local Amish character who installs permanent, cabinet/wall type freezers in homes, gas absorption, powered by a single-piston diesel engine that only runs a few handfuls of minutes daily. Says he's been trying to get ahold of the guy and will forward me his addy when he does. Nothing I would like better than to build a walk-in locker for those who eventually land-partner here. I guess if you plow a big garden summer freezers become as much needed as the summer kitchen. If we ever get ahold of the guy I'll forward what is found out to you and the list. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Car Greetings Todd, While a little bit of sweat won't melt me, the heat we get will cause heart attacks and other problems. Being too warm when driving can also cause one to be less attentive to the road, a definite danger for everyone that has to share the road with you. My home is not built to withstand temperature of 116 or 117, which we don't get every year. When we do, I retreat to the car if I need to. Heat prostration kills people here every year. My home is always too warm for an emergency cool down, as I keep it at 80 in the summer. If I work too hard, physically and recognize that I have over heated, I head for my car as a quick cool down. The little bit of energy I use to have my AC in my car does not compare to what I would use if I cooled the house to that degree. As to wearing shorts and short sleeves, are you kidding? One round of melanoma was more than enough. The sun never sees my skin. Not even through tinted glass. Back in the days of my youth when we drove big boats for cars, we discovered that open windows really cut your mileage. Open windows mess up the aerodynamics of the car, and while I don't have figures, I do know that I can't tell if I have been running the AC or not, from my mileage in my Honda. I am aware of the harmful gases used in AC. I am not an expert on coolants, but the new systems are suppose to be an improvement over the old. Once I figure out how to use zeolite to cool my home, I will make one for my car. One step at a time, in the right direction, as an example of living a relatively comfortable life that is going to eventually be completely sustainable is better than killing myself by being in too much of a rush. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:35 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: Kim, I understand that Texas is not optional. If it were, we wouldn't have had a president from there the past four years, or the next four, as it probably would have been ceded back to Mexico decades ago. Probably a felony charge if anyone were to propose giving it back now, what with the way Bozo is having all laws rewritten at record pace. AC wasn't listed. It's a waste of fuel (as is a lead foot) and maintenance monies. As well, unless the refrigerant is a HC replacement, the coolant remains a contributor to ozone depletion and/or is a potent greenhouse gas contributor. (Note: First thing I did in '86 when I bought a new Golf in central Florida was have it driven back to the shop, the compressor disconnected, the refrigerant vacuumed out and ordered a new belt so that I could remove the compressor and reduce engine drag. Nothing crazy about it. It's called energy and ozone conscious. Mind you Florida is not exactly located in a sub-arctic climate.) Sustainable you want? AC is not. Wear shorts, loose blouses and keep the console's fan motor in good repair. You may call that a matter of personal opinion if you wish. I and tens of millions of others find it to be supportable as a matter of fact. I don't believe that there has ever been a documented case of b--t cheeks fusing together as a result of a little sweat. As for balance? That's often found in doing nothing. It's the mere act of humans fulfilling their wants (sometimes needs) that creates the need for balance, or counter-balance as the case may be. Isn't sugar cane a bit more durable and regional in Texas than stevia? Nothing
Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs
Dear Chris, First of all, I worked for twenty years for a major petroleum company and prior to that a major electric and natural gas utility in energy conservation but also selling natural gas contracts, large merchant power plants and how can I say that I am better than anyone. I am not. So you and I are in great company. Second, as a former swing shift mechanic and college grad, there is not such thing as lower. As a matter of fact, I am now a very underemployed Executive MBA, with BA in Bioscience, AA in General Ed and Foresty, Certificate in Urban Regional Planning, and two years Electrical Engineer wondering what the heck I am doing at age 47 years after getting laid off with a so-called buyout package. I am now consulting :) Which really means I wish I would have stuck to my original plan and become the best automotive mechanic because I was a very happy man with my toolbox and satisfying my customers by immediately fixing their car problems. How about if I work for you and learn glass blowing for scientific instruments? :) Since I got involved in solar and live in NorCal, I will send you another link. Phillip Wolfe --- chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all- I have been receiving and reading the biofuel digest for a couple of months now,and have really begun to value the wealth of information that is connected to it.I could condsider myself a 'newbie' in the field of renewables (1-2 years of growing interest), and could be classified as part of the 'interested public'. I am now seeking some information on possible paths of education for a career in some sort of renewables.As of now I don't have much more than a high school diploma,but have a lot of mechanical apptitude.I live in northern California,and I think that Solar is an interesting field,and it has been growing considerably in the last few years.What I am wondering,is if anyone has some good suggestions on where to start.Should I just try to get in at a lower level, i.e. installations; or first get some technical experience in say, electrical work.This would be while I am carrying on with my current work-which unfortunately consumes fossil fuels (natural gas -I am a scientific glassblower). Or should I just go for the gusto, and get a full college education, in some broader field of work - that would enable me to be somewhere in renewables.Please help, it is harder than you think being hypocritical in my line of work and in thinking. Thanks- Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Happy New Year
I wish you all a happy and constructive new year. Kirk Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. --Dwight Eisenhower 1953 speech - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Yes, China is the biggest buyer of USA wheat and Soyabean. Soybean is good source of biodiesel, so USA must be careful not to sell out to China. Tell it to the Soya Bean lobby or farmers? FYI, Brazil is just about to replace USA as the biggest supplier of soyabean. Cool comfort for USA. Argentina also signed a US$60 billion deal with China 2 weeks ago. also on agricultural investments to ensure long term supply of food crops. China is also the biggest buyer of Canadian wheat. In 1973, China got hit by famine caused by the Red Guard Revolution. Estimated 10 million died. Then China's population is only half that of today. Yes, there will be no more famine in China with huge strides made in agriculture sciences but China still import about 10 to 20 million ton food crop annually. A good year harvest would overcome the deficit, so importing is still an option. One thing I can say, the American farmers still need the Chinese buyers of wheat and soya but if the likes of Walt look at sales to China as a traiterous act, then he will have to have his head examined. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 05:16 PM 12/30/2004, Hakan wrote: Do not worry, I do not think that China (or any other country) see US as a major source of food for humans. It is almost unconceivable that they would go to such efforts to secure corn supply for their own poultry production. LOL I live in an agricultural county in the Pacific Northwest, and there's little doubt around here that China is a major buyer of local products, and the focus isn't on corn, it's on wheat. Those who argue for the food colony concept note that there has been a sizable movement of people away from rural farms towards factory jobs in China, and that with internal food production falling, it's inevitable that China will be importing more food in the future. And while the Chinese population is increasing, it's arable land isn't. And it's not just the US alone; the recent spate of Chinese purchases in Canada is signaling an increase in the utilization of North America as a source for raw materials for Chinese industry. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.
Sideshow - Nixon, Kissinger and the Secret Bombing of Cambodia, by William Shawcross, is an excellent source. In Sideshow, journalist Shawcross presents the first full-scale investigation of the secret and illegal war the United States fought with Cambodia from 1969 to 1973, paving the way for the Khmer Rouge massacres of the mid-70s. 467 pages, Simon Schuster (May 15, 1979), ISBN: 0671230700 The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a much better position to win the fight. The meeting probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another sign of China's military support of an increasingly dangerous Cambodia. My enemy's enemy is my friend. Truly a morally bankrupt policy, and (thus?) a major plank in world realpolitik. There's no need to have any ideology or philosophy or anything else in common other than a shared enmity. For another view of China, try Fanshen - A Documentary of Revolution in a Chinese Village by William Hinton. On his return to the US Hinton's copious notes and documentation for the book were impounded for 18 years, by the US Customs and then by Senator Eastland's Committee on Internal Security. This is an extraordinary book, there's nothing else quite like it. Highly recommended by Joseph Needham and many others. 637 pages, Monthly Review Press (1966), ASIN: B0006DEZZW Best wishes Keith Hi Hakan ; I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so anyone please feel free to correct me. I have many Khmer friends, and I discuss this with them often. From what I understand there were weekly flights to Beijing for supplies and military strategists. However (CS), this was only after a decade of secret bombing by the US had smashed the country and killed countless people.. Pol Pot And Kissinger - On war criminality and impunity http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm and The death of Pol Pot http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/apr1998/plpt-a18.shtml It was here that Pol Pot, heavily influenced by the Chinese Stalinists, devised the political perspective of what was to become the Khmer Rouge--an extreme form of Mao Zedong's eclectic mixture of Stalinism, nationalism and peasant radicalism. It is characteristic of the ideological falsification produced by Stalinism that the label of Marxism has been placed upon social and political phenomena which have nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of Marx, Engels or Lenin. Classical Marxism envisioned a new society, democratically controlled by the working class, which would take as its point of departure the highest level of the productive forces developed under capitalism. This presupposed the widest possible scope for the development of industry, science and technique, all of them bound up with the growth of cities, the urban proletariat and the cultural life of the population as a whole. No more grotesque distortion can be imagined than to categorize as Marxist the ideas of Pol Pot and his cohorts. As early as the 1950s Khieu Samphan, Pol Pot's closest aide, had outlined a perspective of creating a primitive peasant-based society in which money, culture and all other facets of urban life would be abolished. and http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/polpot2.html The Khmer Rouge regime reached a climax in September 1977 when Pol Pot took to the airwaves and spoke for nearly five hours on Cambodian radio. For the first time, Pol Pot acknowledged to the world that Cambodia was now run by a communist government. The day after the speech he flew to Beijing to meet with Hua Guofeng, who had just become leader of the People's Republic of China following the death of Mao Ze Dong. The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a much better position to win the fight. The meeting probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another sign of China's military support of an increasingly dangerous Cambodia. I guess this validates what we have all been saying. The average American wouldn't support secret bombing of Cambodia, yet there was secret bombing. The average Chinese wouldn't support Pol Port, yet there was Pol Pot. It is the shysters at the top that seem to screw things up for everybody. Will the average person ever see? I still have hope. Best Regards and Happy New Year!!, Peter G. Thailand --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, You live closer to it, but I have large difficulties to see that China was behind the Cambodian Pol Pot philosophies. It was in its essence an onslaught on education and knowledge, something that is very difficult to identify with the policies of China. China have during the last 50 years had a very active support of education and
Re: [Biofuel] Buying methanol and lye in singapore
What do Singaporeans use for drain-cleaner? Do you know the synonyms for sodium hydroxide? Caustic soda, for one. Have a look at the drain cleaners in a supermarket or hardware store, or try plumbers. Some drain cleaners have aluminium added, those don't work, but others are pure caustic soda, and they will work. Methanol can be a bit of a struggle. We found ourselves in the same position when we first started making biodiesel, in Hong Kong - we had to pay a lot of money for small quantiies from a lab supply company. But, since you're still right at the beginning and will (hopefully) only be making small test batches at first, I'd suggest paying that price for one 2.5 litre can, which will make you a dozen 1-litre test batches or two dozen half-litre batches. That should be more than enough for you to graduate from new oil to used oil and titration and to be ready for something bigger, and it will have given you the time to find better sources. Perhaps the same applies to lye, you could pay a high initial price for a smallish quantity from a lab or chemical supply company to get you going and look for better sources later. HTH. Best wishes Keith Hi Phillip, I've not received any reply(except yours) until now. I'm told that i need license to get sodium hydroxide. Can you please tell me what is the correct term to use for buying methanol and lye in singapore. When i enquired, i was told methanol is available only in 2.5 litre cans costing 30S$. Actually i'm trying to learn bio-diesel preperation with new vegetable oil. Thanks for your reply. Cheers, Prabu On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:31:33 -0800 (PST), Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prau, Have you recieved an answer to your question yet? If not, I will send you information but it may be at a commerical type facility instead of retail and in larger volume. Phillip Wolfe --- prabu anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] more on the quality test
Appal Energy wrote: If you've got triglycerides remaining you'll also have the emulsifying mono- and di-glycerides, primary emulsifiers. If you've got no emulsifiers present, then you're going to be very hard pressed to find any registerable amount of triglycerides. It's really an either/or scenario. This is where a wash test is a fair indicator. If emulsion forms using water of room temp, presuming sufficient settling time has been conducted (and better still if the reaction was a/b), then you know you've got incompletely reacted mono- and di-glycerides. Whether or not you know the molecular ratio of each, much less that of any tri-glycerides is relatively a non-issue. http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpcs=447609751f=719605551m=926101095 quote Well, I got my report back from Magellan Midstream. My sample tested as follows: 0.002 mass% Free Glycerin 0.940 mass% Monoglyceride 1.084 mass% Diglyceride 3.911 mass% Triglyceride 0.815 mass% Tot. Glycerin /quote I am less concerned with altering the process to achieve less soap (it seems to produce little enough as it is, provided that you use the right amount of lye) than I am with finding a method to tell the difference between an underreacted batch and a soapy batch, Well, if that's the case, I'd have to say that you've got your priorities out of order. priorities at present rank figuring out what is going on highest of all so when I start doing this for real I really know :) the answer is reprocess a sample of the batch that failed and look for glyc to drop out, if it dosen't you have soap problems, That's not true. Soap drops with the glyc. If nothing drops then you have no problem. if you have soap but no mono, di, or triglycerides will anything drop out? if it does you have underreacted your batch. this may also be my test for triglycerides. No. It just tells you that you had an underreacted batch, not the ratios of underreacted components. yes, but if you pass the wash test and you still get something dropping out then that would indicate triglycerides as they don't emulsify. I understand, but perhaps having a sense of really great fuel will separate within 4 minutes at 70 degrees wheras less good but passable fuels will separate in 10 or more minutes with the outside limit of pasability being 30 minutes would be helpful. You want a green light so that you can run incompleted fuel through your engine? Why not strive for completed reactions rather than outs? not looking for outs. if the instructions on the wash test had said if you have really high quality fuel it will settle in 4 minutes whereas passable fuel will settle in 30 minutes or less I would have personally made the decision to work on the 4 minute fuel (I am kind of picky and I like my car a lot). as it was noted in my previous message I attained 4 minute fuel, if my fuel had been 27 minute fuel, based on the posted instructions I would have said cool, well within spec, wash pour in tank and drive on based on my current understanding I would presently be disappointed with anything that settled in longer than 5 minutes at 70 degrees (which disagrees with the instructions). A biodieseler's biggest concerns are getting all the methanol, soap and catalyst out of the fuel at present my biggest concern is knowing that I have satisfied those concerns :) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 7 days settling and something that seperates to the top?
hazy until then (when done it was crystal clear). I presume that this is because my ambient temp is 55 degrees and if I cranked up the heat (at the expense of my comfort) then it would settle in 24-48hrs. when the haze broke it settled up rather than down leaving what looked like a very thin wax layer on top of the fuel, when poked at it turned out to be gelatinous. anyone have any suggestions as to what this may be? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Antarctic Greenery
Grass flourishes in warmer Antarctic Jonathan Leake, Science Editor Dec 26, 2004 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1415627,00.html GRASS has become established in Antarctica for the first time, showing the continent is warming to temperatures unseen for 10,000 years. Scientists have reported that broad areas of grass are now forming turf where there were once ice-sheets and glaciers. Tufts have previously grown on patches of Antarctica in summer, but the scientists have now observed bigger areas surviving winter and spreading in the summer months. Some fear the change portends a much wider melting of the ice-cap that formed at least 20m years ago. Pete Convey, an ecologist conducting research with the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), said: ãGrass has taken a grip. There are very rapid changes going on in the Antarcticâs climate, allowing grass to colonise areas that would once have been far too cold.ä Convey said many species of wildlife were at serious risk from such rapid change including penguins, seals, cold-water fish and giant sea spiders. The findings come at a politically sensitive time with Europe and America clashing over the latterâs refusal to sign up to the Kyoto treaty to limit greenhouse gas emissions. The confrontation may worsen with Tony Blair saying he is determined to push the issue up the international agenda when Britain assumes the presidencies of the European Union and the G8 countries next year. The latest research was carried out on the Antarctic peninsula, which juts northwards towards Cape Horn, and the islands around it. More strongly influenced by changes in sea and air temperatures than the rest of Antarctica, these areas are an excellent place to measure effects of climate change. Measurements over the past three decades show these are among the fastest-warming places on earth, with winter temperatures already 5C higher than in 1974. Many glaciers and ice-sheets are melting. Convey said Antarctic hair grass and another species called pearlwort were the only complex plants capable of surviving on the Antarctic mainland. He said: ãIn the past they were at the limit of their range. They used to appear sporadically with one or a few plants growing in sheltered north-facing areas where birds or the wind dropped the seeds but they never did very well. ãWhat we are seeing now is dense swards or lawns forming and both plants growing much further south than ever before. It is quite remarkable.ä Research by Convey and his colleagues suggests one of the main reasons for the change is that the rising temperatures have brought forward the start of the Antarctic spring and delayed the onset of autumn, enabling the grass to produce mature seed which germinates and becomes established. Antarctica has not always been ice-bound. It once had a temperate climate and was covered in dense vegetation. The Antarctic Peninsula was then joined to South America, creating a continuous land barrier along which warm water flowed southwards from the tropics. This water warmed Antarctica in the same way that the Gulf Stream now warms parts of Britain and northern Europe. About 30m years ago, however, movements of the Earthâs crust carried South America northwards, cutting off the warm water. It was replaced by the circumpolar current in which extremely cold water flows in a constant circle around Antarctica, keeping it frozen and isolated. John King, principal investigator for the BAS climate change programme, said: ãWe have also seen a sharp increase in the Roaring Forties, the powerful westerly winds that prevail around the Antarctic. One theory is that global warming is strengthening these winds.ä King and his colleagues believe such trends could continue, possibly even raising winter temperatures on the peninsula from their past average of -10C to near freezing. Eventually this could give the peninsula a climate comparable to that of Scandinavia. A further climate alert is to be raised by Professor Lloyd Peck, Conveyâs colleague at BAS. He will deliver a stark warning in the Royal Institutionâs annual Christmas lectures on Channel 4 this week. Peck said this weekend: ãClimate change in Antarctica is a warning of the globally catastrophic changes that will follow unless we act now.ä ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.
Peter, It is no doubt that Pol Pot was supported by the Chinese, but you said in your original email that China was behind the Pol Pot experiment and that it was some sort of experiment on their behalf. In this sense I have my doubts on that the equal sign is a valid one. Therefore I also have my doubts on that we will see any Pol Pot style regime in China, or a renewed consciousness support of such a regime anywhere else, which you envisioned. I belive that Pol Pot was a Cambodian home cooked lunatic, that for global and regional reasons had the Chinese support. This without any awareness of the consequences of the Pol Pot ideas. Who could ever belive that he was a screwed up lunatic and not a politician that only preached for the masses. A mistake that both the world and the German industrialists did with Hitler. A kind of mistake that also US have done many times in supporting some South American dictators. It does not excuse China from responsibility, or US, or Russia. We have many examples of how the major powers are tinkering with leaders of countries and belive that they can control situations that in the end are not controllable. We have some more recent examples of this in Afghanistan and Iraq. I belive that we will continue to experience this kind of tinkering and bad judgement from the larger players in the world. The incompetence and naive thought processes will continue to be amazing. We will also continue to be amazed, when we finally realize that the lunatics have very simple and basic ideological beliefs and they all the time have been honest about them. The mistake is that we belive that they were smarter than that and possessed some sort of intelligence, beyond their obvious talent of creating enthusiasm among the masses. Hakan At 04:11 AM 12/31/2004, you wrote: Hi Hakan ; I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so anyone please feel free to correct me. I have many Khmer friends, and I discuss this with them often. From what I understand there were weekly flights to Beijing for supplies and military strategists. However (CS), this was only after a decade of secret bombing by the US had smashed the country and killed countless people.. Pol Pot And Kissinger - On war criminality and impunity http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm and The death of Pol Pot http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/apr1998/plpt-a18.shtml It was here that Pol Pot, heavily influenced by the Chinese Stalinists, devised the political perspective of what was to become the Khmer Rouge--an extreme form of Mao Zedong's eclectic mixture of Stalinism, nationalism and peasant radicalism. It is characteristic of the ideological falsification produced by Stalinism that the label of Marxism has been placed upon social and political phenomena which have nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of Marx, Engels or Lenin. Classical Marxism envisioned a new society, democratically controlled by the working class, which would take as its point of departure the highest level of the productive forces developed under capitalism. This presupposed the widest possible scope for the development of industry, science and technique, all of them bound up with the growth of cities, the urban proletariat and the cultural life of the population as a whole. No more grotesque distortion can be imagined than to categorize as Marxist the ideas of Pol Pot and his cohorts. As early as the 1950s Khieu Samphan, Pol Pot's closest aide, had outlined a perspective of creating a primitive peasant-based society in which money, culture and all other facets of urban life would be abolished. and http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/polpot2.html The Khmer Rouge regime reached a climax in September 1977 when Pol Pot took to the airwaves and spoke for nearly five hours on Cambodian radio. For the first time, Pol Pot acknowledged to the world that Cambodia was now run by a communist government. The day after the speech he flew to Beijing to meet with Hua Guofeng, who had just become leader of the People's Republic of China following the death of Mao Ze Dong. The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a much better position to win the fight. The meeting probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another sign of China's military support of an increasingly dangerous Cambodia. I guess this validates what we have all been saying. The average American wouldn't support secret bombing of Cambodia, yet there was secret bombing. The average Chinese wouldn't support Pol Port, yet there was Pol Pot. It is the shysters at the top that seem to screw things up for everybody. Will the average person ever see? I still have hope. Best Regards and Happy New Year!!, Peter G. Thailand --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, You live closer to it, but I have large
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.
Hi Hakan ; --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belive that Pol Pot was a Cambodian home cooked lunatic, that for global and regional reasons had the Chinese support. Yes you may very well be right. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.
Hello Keith and All ; Keith wrote : You really should check this out, IMHO, there's no need to be so pessimistic, and I don't think it's your nature. I wouldn't say I was pessimistic, but I agree it may appear that way. I've been there, I was angry for years, angry about all the callous injustice in the world. Indeed I had so much to be angry about, I was encountering it face to face all the time in my work. Angry is not a word that I would use to describe myself, but I agree in a short post, it may seem that way. Sadly frustrated is more like it. My faith gives me an unusual perspective on this. An analogy for you. I was always good in school without trying too hard. I view adversity in life as like a school test. A good student likes hard tests. It is the only way to differentiate the class after all. Only a poor student likes easy tests. If the test is easy, everyone passes and looks the same. A statistically relevant test must be hard enough that some students fail, and it gives the opportunity for the bright students to shine. Without hard tests there would be no bright students. I always liked the hard tests. Jesus came bearing the staggering gift of eternal life to give to the people of Israel and they beat Him, hung Him on a cross, and killed Him. Talk about being wronged, and hanging there has GOT to hurt, but Jesus did not complain in the face of the most overwhelming wrong anyone could ever imagine right to the end. So I don't look at callous injustice or anything else as causes for anger or revenge. Instead, I view adversity and callous injustice as opportunities to demonstrate how close I can follow the infinitely high standard that Jesus set. When adversity comes my way, I thank Jesus for the opportunity to practise this. The more adversity the more it give me an opportunity. It is not easy and I am not successful many times. But, it's the wrong approach. I stopped being angry about 15 years ago. The sources of the anger remain, or in many (but not all) cases have increased, I don't pretend about it, I do confront it, I don't have any time for rose-tinted specs, and, truth to tell, I still do get angry sometimes, but it's short-lived, and it doesn't colour my vision. You are making some very good points, but I think I have come to terms in my own way, so I feel I need to explain my motivation a little more thoroughly. I think it is significantly different that you expect. There was a movie I saw once, possibly the name was The Dead Zone. I can't remember. It was about this guy who could see your future by touching your hand. He touches the hand of a politician elect, and in a vision he sees that in the future this politician will become president and launch nuclear missiles. So he ponders this difficult question and determines to assinate the politician and spend the rest of his life in jail rather than let the world fall into nuclear war. Someone out there may remember this movie. Anyway, in the movie he touched the hand his young son and he saw that his son would go ice skating later in the day, but the ice would break and he would fall into the icy water and drown. So of course he didn't let his son go ice skating. Now a nice, well meaning neighbor came over with her son and they were going ice skating. He touched the hand of the neighbor's son and once again he saw the ice breaking. He tried to convince this very nice bubbly neighbor that the ice would break, but the neighbor told him every reason why it wouldn't break, ie. it is too early in the spring season for thaw, the ice is thick, everyone is skating, etc. No matter what he said the neighbor was not convinced that the ice would break. Finally he smashed his cane on the table and screamed at the top of his lungs THE ICE IS GONNA BREAK!!. (You're being so negative!) That's a lot like how I feel. The ice is gonna break. Keith wrote : Washington and Beijing (and the WTO) notwithstanding, there's much more common cause between the *people* of the US and the *people* of China than there's cause for distrust, rivalry and enmity. Yes, agreed, but the question remains whether this common cause is enough. It hasn't been in the past. The powers sometimes self inflict damage to get everybody riled up. Once everyone is riled up and the war drums beating, anything is possible. Therefore as humans we must ignore what someone appears to have done to someone else or even us if we want to defeat this strategy. It will not be easy to make this change. Keith wrote : We ordinary people, Gustl's common people, will win this age-old game in the end, it's our destiny. Absolutely, ABSOLUTELY correct, but its going to be one heck of a roller coaster ride until then. Keith wrote : As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides). An article titled Slowly but steadily, India will overtake
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.
Hi All ; Opps. Sorry if I forgot anybody (Walt). Happy New Year to you all!! Peter G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Grow lights
On 2004-12-30 22.09, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. I think the grow lights are better than the transport from South America, where it grows naturally. Isn't it always a question of balance? According to respected Magazine 'Forskning Framsteg' sighting research done at Lunds University there is very little difference in the spectrum of Gl's in comparison to low energy lights, fluorescent or even ordinary light bulbs, so little difference as to be negligible. But, because of a simple reflector the light intensity is very slightly higher. The message is - save your money and use what's cheapest for you! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs
Hi Chris and Phillip ; First I think it is quite exemplary for Chris to be thinking the way he is and I would like to congratulate him. --- Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, as a former swing shift mechanic and college grad, there is not such thing as lower. Yes very true, How about if I work for you and learn glass blowing for scientific instruments? :) Since I got involved in solar and live in NorCal, I will send you another link. Scientific glass is heat resistant quartz glass or Pyrex. There should be a way to make a business combining this with solar. How about figuring out how to make evacuated tubes for solar collectors. I bought some many years ago (I think from Solarex, now out of business). They didn't look that complicated and worked great. Just the evacuated glass tube. I built the copper collector myself using some copper tubing painted black. Probably not a huge market, but enough for a small business. Good luck. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.
were angry. I was angry, I said you were pessimistic, and that indeed you have been, or sadly frustrated, if you prefer. Check the quotes I included. You despair of human goodwill and of the human capacity to learn much-needed lessons, yet in another post you include in this the critical factor of mass-manipulation - if you'd added that to your original sum it would have come out different, less pessimistic about human nature and abilities or not at all pessimistic. Dealing with the forces that interfere with and manipulate human nature for their own ends is a much less daunting challenge, more possible, more achievable, than trying to change perceived inherent inadequacies in human nature itself. Rather than a need to change people beyond their capacities, maybe all that's needed is to leave them alone and let them get on with it without interference. I compared your pessimism to the anger I'd felt for many years, because it seems to me the two are comparable in their contexts. I could find a resolution of that, and you can resolve this. There's no contradiction between realism and optimism. Nor will you find me labelling people as negative when they have the courage to admit the existence of dark realities rather than pretend about it - I said that. But there are better ways of dealing with it, denial NOT included! (I think we mentioned the Titanic previously, didn't we? We certainly agreed about that.) Also, in both there being trouble ahead and in the changes needed for betterment,there absolutely have to be many unforeseen factors that you're not calculating for, nor can you calculate for them. But they're not likely to be significant because the major factors at play are so clearcut and decisive, the die is cast? But with complexities such as these with their infinities of variables, it's quite impossible to predict which factors, whether massive or imperceptible, will initiate change. Social change doesn't need critical threshold levels of people to act before it can happen, maybe it only needs one person to plant the right seed in the right place at the right time and in the right way, perhaps even by accident, without any knowledge of what they're doing nor any such intention, and nobody will ever know what caused it, least of all that person. Needed change happens via a creative minority, not by agreement of the majority. Creative acts do not necessarily follow a logical progression that can easily be predicted. Meanwhile we can all do what we can do and keep trying to do it better. Keith wrote : Washington and Beijing (and the WTO) notwithstanding, there's much more common cause between the *people* of the US and the *people* of China than there's cause for distrust, rivalry and enmity. Yes, agreed, but the question remains whether this common cause is enough. It hasn't been in the past. It was so easy to smash it, if you just happened to control all the resources and all the power. That has almost certainly changed, as Gustl hinted. Now we have a situation where five ordinary folks with a couple of computers and a telephone could bring the mighty Monsanto to its knees. There's something new under the sun, for a change. Just one battle, it's true (and they warned of that), but not the only one, and instead of being nullified and swept aside as before, there's a powerful multiplier effect at work - it spreads like a fire, and there's no way of stopping it. Even the mainstream US press has referred to the Other Superpower: There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion. - The New York Times http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030414s=schell The Nation | Article | The Other Superpower | Jonathan Schell March 27, 2003 Keith wrote : We ordinary people, Gustl's common people, will win this age-old game in the end, it's our destiny. Absolutely, ABSOLUTELY correct, but its going to be one heck of a roller coaster ride until then. It's seldom been anything else. There've been worse times, and better. After all, this is what our history is all about, the problem of power. No progress? A HUGE amount of progress, it's a story of progress, always overcoming the constant setbacks that beset us at every turn. We lose all the battles yet we never stop advancing and gaining ground, and we will most definitely win the war. Did you ever read this? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/32840/ Re: [biofuel] The Oil we eat (Harper's) The original article is here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/31846/1/ Keith, of the list participants you are the first time zone for the new year, so I would like to say HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and Midori first, Thankyou Peter! But is that right? How does Bob rate? Is it tomorrow yet Bob? Anyway Peter you're not far behind. and then to all list particpants as the earth spins around its axis at around 1,000 mph and hurtles through space
Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour
Keith, I must have browsed through an article about a servo motor company winding up its operations in USA and moving to China. I meant to comment on it but slip up due to the news on the Asian Tsunami hogging the TV. Being in the permanent magnet motor industry I like to enlighten readers of certain facts. First the rare earth magnets used in PM motors and superconductors are originally from China. China supply 95% of the world's rare earth magnets. Even GE has a plant in China before WWII making magnets and sending it back to USA and that's where USA gets it supply. We have been getting our supply from China's state owned companies for donkey years. Yet they have not raised the prices or reduced supplies and PM magnets are still very affordable. CS - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour Good morning YC Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops. Sometimes it is exactly that. Often. what many perceive to be slave shops and use the income in USD to be used as a reference is taking matters out of context.comparison should be apple to apple, meaning the pay the sweatshop pays out should be compared locally. It might be cheap labour, not slave labour. without a fulltime employment, many of this slave labour would be starving and out on the street. instead of holding yourself being above supporting goods made in this manner , ask yourself would it actually help them if the company goes bust for lack of business. No, it wouldn't help them. Or maybe it would if it's the kind of company that locks its workers into their dormitories at night and is so lax about safety measures that the factory catches fire and all the workers are burnt to death. How many cases of that happening have you heard of? More than a few, eh? Multiply by hundreds or thousands for an idea of the number of such factories that haven't caught fire, yet. Bhopal was not an exception, it's about par for the course. The object is not to put the company out of business so much as to make them accountable, along with the whole structure that enables and supports these practices, so that the practices themselves will be stopped and poor and needy workers given a fair deal rather than being ruthlessly exploited, used up, wasted. Your apples to apples is barely the tip of the iceberg. Comparing wages and relative costs-of-living won't tell you about the complete lack of workers' and human rights, nor of the poor safety conditions and the relentless pressure for ever-higher production (quotas) that leads to very high rates of accidents and maimings, without any hope of compensation other than You're fired!, nor of the ruined lives, the constant fear of losing the job and then not just you but your family will face starvation, and what it really won't tell you is the miserable story of the 10 without any job at all for every one who's lucky enough at least to have this travesty of employment. With luck like that who needs misfortune? The idea that these evil practices should be allowed to continue so that poor workers can have an income is not saving them, it's condemning them. Have a look at the structures of these societies and their economies, and of corporate globalisation, and see where else the pressure required to force change and improvement on the part of the perpetrators is likely to come from if not from informed consumers and independent activist groups. Please see: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004166.html [Biofuel] Made in China? Of Trade, Quotas And Fairness It would be much better to support these companies by buying their products, at the same time encourage them with the money they have earned to benefit their employees. Voluntary compliance, eh? It doesn't have a very impressive record. What you'll get is tokenism, from the companies themselves and from the structures that make their practices possible. The impetus and intention is in the opposite direction. The economic growth fostered by neoliberal corporate globalisation does not create wealth as alleged, it extracts wealth and concentrates it, leaving poverty and misery in its wake. Free trade is anything but free, it's simply unregulated. Piracy and brigandry ought not to be unregulated. The winds of free trade favour the ships with the biggest sails, and sink the rest. The impetus for *fair* trade, a very different matter, comes
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.
Hakan and Guag, What we in Singapore know about Cambodia is only write up by Cambodian refugees and King Norodom Sihanouk. When the Killing Fields was aired, everyone was outraged and enraged. Subsequently the local news carried more news about later developments. By then more than 2 million innocent Cambodians were slaughtered with the skulls stacked in temple and shown on TV. Subsequently there were news about Vietnamese capturing Cambodia. Pol Pot and Khieu Samphan fled into the China. King Sihanouk all these while was sick and being treated in Beijing and was powerless. We were aware that Pol Pot army were armed by the Chinese and Russians. Finally we read that China had enough and told Vietnam to get out of Cambodia or faced the wrath of the Chinese Army. The Chinese moved a Division of their crack Szechuan unit across Vietnam's border and Vietnam immediately moved out of Cambodia and Hun Sen was allowed to take over Cambodia. What happened to 2 million Cambodian innocently killed by a lunatic Pol Pot was certainly beyond comprehension? Killing Adolf Hitler would not bring back millions of innocent Jews. The hanging of General Tojo would not bring back the 20 million Chinese killed by the Japanese Army who claimed he was acting under orders of the Japanese Emperor. Some people trying to blame the Chinese Government for the Killing Fields in Cambodia, certainly has no leg to stand on. Moral - We must not let any lunatic run a country. Bush thought Saddam was lunatic so he moved in. CS - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia. Hi Hakan ; I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so anyone please feel free to correct me. I have many Khmer friends, and I discuss this with them often. From what I understand there were weekly flights to Beijing for supplies and military strategists. However (CS), this was only after a decade of secret bombing by the US had smashed the country and killed countless people.. Pol Pot And Kissinger - On war criminality and impunity http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm and The death of Pol Pot http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/apr1998/plpt-a18.shtml It was here that Pol Pot, heavily influenced by the Chinese Stalinists, devised the political perspective of what was to become the Khmer Rouge--an extreme form of Mao Zedong's eclectic mixture of Stalinism, nationalism and peasant radicalism. It is characteristic of the ideological falsification produced by Stalinism that the label of Marxism has been placed upon social and political phenomena which have nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of Marx, Engels or Lenin. Classical Marxism envisioned a new society, democratically controlled by the working class, which would take as its point of departure the highest level of the productive forces developed under capitalism. This presupposed the widest possible scope for the development of industry, science and technique, all of them bound up with the growth of cities, the urban proletariat and the cultural life of the population as a whole. No more grotesque distortion can be imagined than to categorize as Marxist the ideas of Pol Pot and his cohorts. As early as the 1950s Khieu Samphan, Pol Pot's closest aide, had outlined a perspective of creating a primitive peasant-based society in which money, culture and all other facets of urban life would be abolished. and http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/polpot2.html The Khmer Rouge regime reached a climax in September 1977 when Pol Pot took to the airwaves and spoke for nearly five hours on Cambodian radio. For the first time, Pol Pot acknowledged to the world that Cambodia was now run by a communist government. The day after the speech he flew to Beijing to meet with Hua Guofeng, who had just become leader of the People's Republic of China following the death of Mao Ze Dong. The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a much better position to win the fight. The meeting probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another sign of China's military support of an increasingly dangerous Cambodia. I guess this validates what we have all been saying. The average American wouldn't support secret bombing of Cambodia, yet there was secret bombing. The average Chinese wouldn't support Pol Port, yet there was Pol Pot. It is the shysters at the top that seem to screw things up for everybody. Will the average person ever see? I still have hope. Best Regards
Re: [Biofuel] education for green jobs
Dear Chris and Phillip, You need to get past the first paragraph to see my point. I am a design engineer, working in an RD group with a company that makes surgical scopes for non-invasive surgical procedures. I have a BS degree in Mechanical engineering technology and another BS degree in Electrical engineering. I am the only one in my family to have graduated from college. From my professional achievements, I should be pretty satisfied with myself at this point in my career. But, there is something missing. In my opinion, the world that our species has created, is like a puzzle where all of the pieces fit -- almost. If you are a free thinker, passionate about learning of the word around you, and will do almost anything to spare yourself from the status quo, you also know that there is no college curriculum or job that will align itself exactly with your curiosities. After graduating college, I needed to return to those course subjects that were still fresh in my mind and go from memorizing the materiel to really knowing it. For some of these subjects, it has been almost twenty years and I do what I can to make sure that those course books do not collect much dust. From the perspective of gaining knowledge, there is everything to gain by advancing yourself through self study and an occasional course for those subjects you are really struggling with. I think we can all agree that college isn't the only environment from which to learn. Finally, working with your hands and having the skills to make something tangible is a wonderful thing. I can't tell you how many engineers and scientists (from very well known universities) would scare the hell out of me if I ever saw them with a circular saw in their hands! The point I am making is that in order to develop the knowledge and skills to pursue your personal ambitions, you need to create you own course of study. I suspect that both of you can relate to what I am saying. I just wanted to reinforce the direction in which the discussion was going. Mike Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Chris, First of all, I worked for twenty years for a major petroleum company and prior to that a major electric and natural gas utility in energy conservation but also selling natural gas contracts, large merchant power plants and how can I say that I am better than anyone. I am not. So you and I are in great company. Second, as a former swing shift mechanic and college grad, there is not such thing as lower. As a matter of fact, I am now a very underemployed Executive MBA, with BA in Bioscience, AA in General Ed and Foresty, Certificate in Urban Regional Planning, and two years Electrical Engineer wondering what the heck I am doing at age 47 years after getting laid off with a so-called buyout package. I am now consulting :) Which really means I wish I would have stuck to my original plan and become the best automotive mechanic because I was a very happy man with my toolbox and satisfying my customers by immediately fixing their car problems. How about if I work for you and learn glass blowing for scientific instruments? :) Since I got involved in solar and live in NorCal, I will send you another link. Phillip Wolfe --- chris davidson wrote: Hello to all- I have been receiving and reading the biofuel digest for a couple of months now,and have really begun to value the wealth of information that is connected to it.I could condsider myself a 'newbie' in the field of renewables (1-2 years of growing interest), and could be classified as part of the 'interested public'. I am now seeking some information on possible paths of education for a career in some sort of renewables.As of now I don't have much more than a high school diploma,but have a lot of mechanical apptitude.I live in northern California,and I think that Solar is an interesting field,and it has been growing considerably in the last few years. What I am wondering,is if anyone has some good suggestions on where to start.Should I just try to get in at a lower level, i.e. installations; or first get some technical experience in say, electrical work.This would be while I am carrying on with my current work-which unfortunately consumes fossil fuels (natural gas -I am a scientific glassblower). Or should I just go for the gusto, and get a full college education, in some broader field of work - that would enable me to be somewhere in renewables.Please help, it is harder than you think being hypocritical in my line of work and in thinking. Thanks- Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Final Thoughts (long), Happy New Year, Over and Out.
Hi Keith ; --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, you've misunderstood me. I didn't say and didn't mean that you were angry. Ok Keith, never mind this very minor thing. No problem at all. Dealing with the forces that interfere with and manipulate human nature for their own ends is a much less daunting challenge, more possible, more achievable, than trying to change perceived inherent inadequacies in human nature itself. Yes true, but the forces are formidable, well organized, and clearly extend through multiple generations. Huge. They can bring down the towers in front of our eyes, kill 3,000 people, and get away with it. Sobering. Nor will you find me labelling people as negative when they have the courage to admit the existence of dark realities rather than pretend about it - I said that. But there are better ways of dealing with it, denial NOT included! (I think we mentioned the Titanic previously, didn't we? We certainly agreed about that.) I didn't mean to direct this at you at all. I joke like this with my friend many times when they raise legitimate concerns about my high flying plans. No problem at all again. LOL. Also, in both there being trouble ahead and in the changes needed for betterment,there absolutely have to be many unforeseen factors that you're not calculating for, nor can you calculate for them. Yes true. It was so easy to smash it, if you just happened to control all the resources and all the power. That has almost certainly changed, as Gustl hinted. Now we have a situation where five ordinary folks with a couple of computers and a telephone could bring the mighty Monsanto to its knees. There's something new under the sun, for a change. Just one battle, it's true (and they warned of that), but not the only one, and instead of being nullified and swept aside as before, there's a powerful multiplier effect at work - it spreads like a fire, and there's no way of stopping it. Even the mainstream US press has referred to the Other Superpower: Yes this effort to rein in Monsanto is outstanding and commendable. But I think we need to just agree to differ on this point. My humble opinion on this is that our opponents are not stupid, in fact they are brilliant strategists, the best there ever was or ever will be, and some small victories for our cause can be expected. But GM crops are still flooding the market and it is only the beginning. Eventually the patent enforcement that you see now will become widespread. Their plan is not static and they will act quickly to eliminate the internet threat. Internet censorship is already a reality and I expect it to get a lot worse. How? The great game of Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. One example. Right now there are criminals in jail on death row who have fan club followings over the internet where they describe their murders in great detail. This is understandably painful for the victims families so they are clamoring to have prisoners barred from internet access. Many convicts, particularly internet fraud cases, are already barred from using the internet. Don't people realize that this power will eventually be used against you and me? It surely will. My strategy is work diligently and never miss a chance to make change for the better, hope for the best, and plan for the worst. This is not suitable for everyone. Did you ever read this? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/32840/ Re: [biofuel] The Oil we eat (Harper's) Yes I am quite very enthusiastic about integrated agriculture for my project. I visited with Dr. Preston of UTA a few years ago in Cambodia about attending some training classes and hiring some of his graduates. I still plan on doing this. Hey I forgot Gustl and Peggy - Happy New Year to you both!! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] NBB Tier 1 and Tier 2 EPA reports
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[Biofuel] Greeting to all
The year that passed has been interesting and with many challenging events. The biofuel list, for me, is a very valuable forum for a community that consist of a uniquely balanced international representation of mature and experienced people. I want to wish you all a Happy New Year and look forward to the coming exchanges of opinions in year 2005. A special thanks and admiration to Keith and his very professional job as moderator. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hello Brian, Please forgive my delay in responding to your request. For reason unknown too me my server delivers some emails with what I consider to be regular speed, while others arrive in their own good time. Yours happened to be one of the latter this time, which is the reason for the delay. Regarding your request, I will certainly do as you ask. I originally transcribed that particular quote onto a notepad while watching a show entitled world music on Link TV. It was quoted by their VJ, or DJ, which ever you prefer. Anyway, she gave a brief story regarding how this quote came to life, and if memory serves, also mentioned it's inclusion in a newspaper article. So my hope is this will make a search much simpler. Again, my apologies for the delay. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Mike, Out of curiosity, do you have a reference for the Mark Twain quote that you use in your signature? The current Reader's Digest attributes it to Tom Clancy, and I thought that they needed to be corrected. Brian Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Grow lights
On 2004-12-30 22.09, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the grow lights, there are temporary until the full green house is done. Stevia dies with less than 14 hours of sunlight. So it dies in winter in South America? I think the grow lights are better than the transport from South America, where it grows naturally. Isn't it always a question of balance? According to respected Magazine 'Forskning Framsteg' sighting research done at Lunds University there is very little difference in the spectrum of Gl's in comparison to low energy lights, fluorescent or even ordinary light bulbs, so little difference as to be negligible. But, because of a simple reflector the light intensity is very slightly higher. The message is - save your money and use what's cheapest for you! I've used both grow lights and ordinary flourescents before, and I prefer the flourescents, and not just for the price. Currently I have a batch of Swiss chard seedlings thriving under flourescents. They're on a box with a glass top, painted black, with two 20-watt incandescent bulbs inside the box, which keeps the soil temperature in the seedling pots at about 22-24 deg C. The flourescents are mounted above the box on chains so they can be raised as the plants grow taller. An advantage of flourescents is that the plants can get really close to them, or even touch them, without getting scorched. So you need less total light output than with hot light, though I'm not up to calculating that. Warm-colour flourescents are apparently better than the bluish cold-colour ones, which don't have a lot of infra-red. For peculiarly inscrutable Japanese reasons, only circular flourescents are available here in warm colour, not the ordinary straight ones, so I'm using two sets of double concentric warm flourescent rings and a double set of coolish straight ones. These seedlings have had some sunshine, though not every day - they've spent the (short) daylight hours outside a few times, trading warm feet for some real light, but they could as easily have done without. Nice little plants, not at all leggy, good colour. They're headed for a cold-frame outside, 16 sq ft, to be grown Square Foot style, with extra strip lights to lengthen the day a bit, good insulation (double glazed, and the box is built of old tatami mats, 2-thick close-woven reeds), and with 15 of well-composted soil on top of six inches of chicken manure, which should help to keep the soil warm. I hope. Swiss chard are rather hardy anyway, more so than some of the other plants I'm germinating now. We'll see, I guess. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Happy New Year!
arrived in the middle of a blizzard. 2005! 2005! With a bit o' luck we might even survive! LOL! Naah, we can do a lot better than survive, I do believe. Anyway... to all at the Biofuel list, Keith and Midori of Journey to Forever wish you and those you love a happy, healthy and EXCELLENT New Year. Very best wishes, and thanks again for everything. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Never Over and Out.
Hi Keith, Yes, it's already tomorrow here. (I suspect it's always tomorrow in New Zealand). I've been standing on the sidelines for the talkfest between you and Peter, and enjoying it hugely. Correction, for enjoying read appreciating. Perhaps the following quote from the Rubaiyat could bring some perspective to the issues raised: I sent my Soul through the Invisible/ Some letter of that Afterlife to spell/ And after many days my Soul returned/ And said Behold, Myself am Heaven and Hell.. A bright new year to all, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
First things first: Happy new Year for us all Brazilian National Oil Co. and Alcohol distillers do move ethanol through pipeline through out the country ( pls remember in continuous land Brazil is among the six biggies) in so called multiple pipeline ( crude, derivatives and ethanol). Keith indicated one big restriction others do exist. Some of them are vanished via refining technology. But there are big differences in nature between ethanol and gasoline; *viscosity and lubricity *and they do affect pumps and pipe lifetime and they must be adjusted to this different reality. Also remember alcohol loves water so is not simple to keep it anhydrous. In short : yes it is possible and it is being done. The technology is there however significant investments must be made and this reduces the returns in short run ( roe and also reduces crude prices as demands is shortened ). As of now ethanol is as competitive as gasoline. Hope it helps. Very best for all of us and everybody else Chico Keith Addison wrote: Isn't the need to keep it anhydrous the reason Dave? Best Keith Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would need to be changed (when switching from petrol to ethanol and/or biodiesel)? Here's what the report states on p. 71, Table 4-1: [Regarding Corn and cellulosic ethanol] Compatible with existing infrastructure: It Depends . . . Can be blended with gasoline at varying levels, but cannot now be transported by pipeline and must be moved by barge or truck. It doesn't state that this is a problem with biodiesel however. From: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf Thanks folks. Be Well, - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy Dear BioFuel Readers, Regarding the recent US Energy Strategy, I read the executive summary which is as follows: 1. ENHANCING OIL SECURITY 2. REDUCING RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE 3. INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY 4. ENSURING AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLIES 5. STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 6. DEVELOPING ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE FUTURE As it relates to US activity in biofuels/ethanol/non-petroleum fuels, it appears the bipartisan panel strategy provides much opportunity for entrepreneurs and biofuel advocates. I wish there was more wording and attention by the commissioners on the actual ream activities of the distribution of new fuels, the refineries themselves and the pipeline distribution of non-petroleum fuels (soy, canola, rapeseed, WVO, SVO, ethanol, CNG) and more wording on the conversion of existing refineries into biodiesel refineries. Thanks Keith for the notification. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The National Commission on Energy Policy--a bipartisan group of energy experts from industry, government, labor, academia, and environmental and consumer groups--released a consensus strategy to address major long-term US energy challenges. The report, Ending the Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet America's Energy Challenges, contains policy recommendations for addressing oil security, climate change, natural gas supply, the future of nuclear energy, and other long-term challenges. The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and hydrogen technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially competitive with gasoline by 2020. The Commission supports continued research and development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) solution. The Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen offers little to no potential to improve oil security and reduce climate change risks in the next
