[Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits this year has been exceptional. Am I missing something? If prices for a raw input go up then the sale price also goes up. However, provided the prices go up at near the same rate of the inputs then profits should also remain basically stable. However, the oil companies are pulling out profits left and right. Therefore, if they are profiting then the retail price of fuel is artifically high and not high mearly because of crude prices. I know its not this simple and that the theories of supply and demand weigh in, but why are people (ie. the masses) not questioning what appears to be collusion? It might be collusion (and if so, who would we question?), but probably not. Oil company product is crude oil, not gasoline, in many cases. Why do oil companies charge high prices for it? Because they can - there are many buyers who REALLY want that oil, and are willing to pay the price. Oil company profits have increased because their crude oil production costs have not increased that much, and the price they can charge has increased. Also, their exploration costs have decreased, since they are not investing in exploration. And why should they, from a business point of view? Searching for oil costs money, and if found may have the effect of reducing the price, and therefore profits, and stock price, and executive bonuses! A bad idea. And there might not be more to find in any case, so then it would just costs money to look, reducing profits, and so on. Even if they think there MIGHT be more oil to find, why invest in finding it now? Let the price and profits stay hig! h for a while. I hope this is just my cynical view of the oil business... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Thanks for the suggestions. I am planning to process on the scale that presents itself (based on whatever every free equipment finds me). However, I have been thinking that spent hot water heaters seem to be the way to go for processors. Thanks again, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Mr. Hubbert obviously did not understand Mr. Joseph Newman's Gyroscopic Particle Theory. If he did, he would confirm Big Oil's contention that there is a near infinite supply. ;) T (ducking) On 3/30/05 8:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the 1950s, a petroleum geologist named M. King Hubbert published a series of equations showing that the output of any given oil well or reservoir will follow a parabolic curve over time. Production rises quickly after initial drilling and then loses momentum as output reaches its maximum or peak -- usually when half of the total amount of oil has been extracted -- after which production falls at an increasingly sharp rate. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Hi All, Greg Palast, though definitely left wing, is a great journalist, who follows up his leads and documents his stories before going to print. He«ll throw the occassional low blow but for my money he speaks the truth. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Phillip Wolfe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29/03/05 17:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil holy Mackeral! How credible are the sources? --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Secret US plans for Iraq's oil by Greg Palast The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of Big Oil executives and US State Department pragmatists. Big Oil appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. Insiders told Newsnight that planning began within weeks of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US. An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat. Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. Secret sell-off plan The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas. The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel. Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department. Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's back-channel to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and British occupying forces. Insurgents used this, saying, 'Look, you're losing your country, you're losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to take you over and make your life miserable,' said Mr Aljibury from his home near San Francisco. We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built on the premise that privatisation is coming. Privatisation blocked by industry Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq's oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme. Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: There was to be no privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved. Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq's oil fields. He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a no-brainer decision. Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain. New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper's Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of a state-owned oil company favoured by the US oil industry. It was completed in January 2004 under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James Baker Institute in Texas. Formerly US Secretary of State, Baker is now an attorney representing Exxon-Mobil and the Saudi Arabian government. View segments of Iraq oil plans at www.GregPalast.com Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state control of Iraq's oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of Russia's energy privatisation. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, US oil
RE: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Hakan, Please understand and tell your friends that 48% of America voted against George Bush and his policies. That«s a lot of good people. I think that many who voted for Bush did so based on fear or his stand to overturn existing abortion laws. Many of the 48% feel he«s leading the country and the economy into ruins. I am awaiting the burning of books, particularly dictionaries and anticipate the Department of Defense being renamed the Ministry of Peace. Orwell and Huxley should be read again by everyone. The control of mass media in the U.S. by large corporations is the most onerous attack on free speech every propagated in history. Most folks are unaware of their great loss. Hang tough, there is no way this path for my country is sustainable let alone constitutional. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29/03/05 19:52 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Phillip, It is multiple sources and some of them quite credible. The worst thing is that it is collaborated by real events. In the past, the general view towards Americans was a love/irritation relationship. When I was working in US and decided to move back to Europe. My American friends could not understand it. They claimed that I missed chance, I was an immigrant that US wanted and would encourage to stay and get citizenship. My answer was that despite it is no other place that have so much toys for grown ups, I felt like living on an isolated Island with a dominant population of children. I am today very upset and disturbed. In my life I worked a lot with US and have many dear American friends. George W. Bush, his administration and cohorts, have made my dear friends look like dangerous and corrupted lunatics. I am also very worried, because the love/irritation relationship has been transcended to a hate relationship. Where Americans, women and children often says you do not like me, to get a confirmation on that this is not the case, I have never felt that it was hate. What I see and hear now, is signs of real hate towards the Americans in the rest of the world and it is not promising. I only hope that this will change with the term limitation of George W. Bush and that he will not succeed with a Hitler like coup to prolong his reign. This feeling of an eternal conflict situation, is not good for me and the world. Hakan At 10:45 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: holy Mackeral! How credible are the sources? --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Secret US plans for Iraq's oil by Greg Palast The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of Big Oil executives and US State Department pragmatists. Big Oil appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. Insiders told Newsnight that planning began within weeks of Bush's first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US. An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat. Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. Secret sell-off plan The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas. The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel. Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department. Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's back-channel to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in
[Biofuel] Blending Pumps
Hi Everybody, I am fairly new to this list but I find fascinating all the experience and knowledge of people here! I live in PA but originally from Hungary where we use lot of Diesel engines. I would like to convert my house heater and diesel truck to BD that is why I joined the first place. I read about the problems of the pumps, filters and blending. I happen to own a mechanical contracting business here in PA and we build and install fuel blending skids for NO. 2 heating oil mainly commercial and industrial applications. We build it from scratch, pumps, valves, gauges, filters, control panel, wiring etc, from a small portable unit to large skid mounted units. So based on my experience, with minor changes (viton seals, finer filters and heating elements) I think that could be a unit built to filter and blend Biodiesel. Please contact me with any ideas and question! Regards, Jules ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm See: Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine But that's not quite what Elsbett's Alexander Noack is quoted as saying at the East Coast Region-United States Elsbett Workshop: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. So it would seem that Elsbett's reservations are not so much with polymerisation per se because of the high iodine number as with fuel-lubricating oil interactions. Can you shed any light on this? There are some companies producing me from oil with a high iodine number, and there is no practical difference between those products and the BD:s with a iodine number around or under 120 for the consumer. Can you quote any research that supports the conclusion that there is no practical difference? I've heard of drying problems with sunflower oil biodiesel, and even with rapeseed oil biodiesel (I don't have the reports, I was told they're in German) and I would not want to use linseed oil or tung oil. And may I add that the American B100 standard allows soy bean oil as raw material. Of course they do - how much do you think the soy councils and Big Soy had to do with that? They were involved at every level. Whatever the science may say, do you think it would have been possible for them to develop standards that excluded soy? Similarly, it's often said that the EU standard's stipulating a maximum iodine # of 120 (115
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Hello, all I'm new to the list and am catching up on all the conspiracies so have withheld comment up to this point. However, I felt it necessary to jump in here... Tom, Your logic on the river flows is .. Well.. Not logical. If the rivers drop to 1/3 their current flow once the glaciers have melted, then the current flow is augmented by said glacier melt (2/3 of it, per your argument) and is not a normal flow based on average rainfall and retention time in aquifers. Conservation of mass dictates this. So really what these poor people downstream are currently facing is flood stage rivers due to glacier melt, to correct your argument. But the argument as a whole doesn't compute, especially if one accepts the theorem that global warming is a relatively new phenomena... Say 30 years since the start of a noticeable effect? I have no idea if that guess is correct. Another question, and maybe more to the point, is: Is the earth getting warmer than usual, or are we exiting a mini ice-age and the temp is returning to a more normal range when the last 100e6 or 100e5 years is considered? I sure don't know the answer, but do question when people cry doom because the ice is melting. FWIW, an ice-age can be self-feeding at a certain point as the albedo of the planet increases dramatically and thus the planet retains LOT less energy from the sun... But... A warm-stage ecosystem is self-limiting (within limits, say at temps below 451 F ;) ) as co2 in the atmosphere gets pulled into the biomass, thus increasing the radiation of energy off-planet. Either way, and I believe this may be the point you wanted to push, I agree that powerful countries will continue to exert more and more power in more and more (probably paranoid) ways to protect their interests. Too bad there is no global organization that perfomrs the same duties as the anti-monopoly laws require here in the US (yeah, I can't remember the gov't org's name who usually blesses the buyout of one behemoth by another) Oh, and your timeframe is BAD, too. To quote a random school web page The plankton that lived in the Jurassic period made our crude oil. This was the time of the dinosaurs. It was about 180,000,000 years ago. So you are off by a measly 800 million years. I do believe we have a decent idea of the continental configuration around that time, but am not sure as it outside my sphere of knowledge. Sincerely, Rob Hepler Dabbler in this-n-that -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Irwin Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:46 PM To: 'James Dontje '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out Haken and James, First, Haken my information on oil reserves in the Azerbijan region comes from a management person high up in Chevron. I will not reveal that person to you as it might put that person in a bad place. As for oil being present under the ocean, well that is where it originally got made a billion or more years ago. Since we have only found most of the stuff on dry land it only makes sense that more should be found in the ocean depths. True, oil might only be found at mouths of great rivers but we have little idea what the land masses looked like a billion years ago let alone what river systems may have existed. Increasing production capacity is linked to oil prices which you must have noticed just jumped $20.00 per barrel this past year. Supply and demand or demand and supply, I'm not sure what drives what in these days of mass marketing. But you sure as heck can build a lot of production capacity at the current price of oil. I still firmly believe it will not be lack of oil that gets us but the climate change that will disrupt our food and water supplies. Think of this. All of the glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are receding at an incredible rate. They could all e gone in less than 20 years. This is in the highest mountain range in the world that this is occurring. Those glaciers feed at least seven major river systems. The ones that come to mind most quickly are the Indus, Brahmaputra, Salween, Mekong, Ganges, Yangtze and Huange He. They supply drinking water, water for agriculture, and for industry to close to a billion people directly. When the glaciers that feed these rivers are gone they will have only annual rainfall and normal snowmelt to feed them. Their flows to drop to 1/3 of their current values. How in the world are those folks going to survive? I have no answer. I don't think anyone does. I don't believe enough people are even remotely aware of the problem. Be sure to realize that it will not only effect them. It will effect everyone indirectly in terms of economy, disease, and even warfare. You don't think China just increased its military budget cause they were having a bad day? The dino fuels are the cause of a massive problem with enormous consequences not just for certain countries but for for our entire species. Ironically these dino
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the information we learned at last year's Elsbett workshop in North Carolina. I sent off this question : What is the main reason Elsbett suggests not using soybean oil as a fuel- Is it due to its high iodine number? Or is it just due to soybean oil's negative effect on lubrication oil? When I receive an answer I will post to the list. Thanks, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul A beautifully formulated response teeming with evidence to substantiate the notion that burning oil is a vital requirement for life to continue(if we were in the 5th grade). I really don't think I should spend the 2 minutes it takes to research and acquire facts to refute your ridiculous testimony of, oil, it does a body good. But I will anyway. http://www.offshore-environment.com/abandonment.html http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/threats.htm In particular, observations in the Gulf of Mexico revealed a strong positive correlation between the amount of oil platforms, growing since the 1950s, and commercial fish catches in the region. It became one of the reasons to suggest the positive impact of offshore oil and gas developments on the fish populations and stock. Wide popularization of this fact led to the mass movement using the slogan From rigs - to reefs in the USA in the mid-1980s. However, further analyses of the fishing situation in the Gulf of Mexico showed that the growth of the fish catch in this case was connected not with increasing the total stock and abundance of commercial species but with their redistribution due to the reef effect of the platforms. A critical point here was the use of static gear methods of fishing (e.g., lines and hooks) instead of trawl gears. Besides, the areas around the platforms became very popular places of recreational and sport fishing. This also made a significant contribution to the total catch volumes.. Pursuant to the Sustainable Fisheries Act of 1996, the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov) must publish a Report to the United States Congress http://www.gulfcouncil.org/downloads/Status%20of%20Fisheries%202001a.pdf on the status of our nation's fisheries resources. This report assesses the condition of the 905 managed fish species in U.S. waters. Of these 905 species, the report finds that 72 are being taken at a rate that this higher than can be sustained (overfishing), 92 are below a level that scientists consider healthy (overfished), and the status of 709 species (78.3 percent) is unknown. Thus, for the species on which we have scientific information, about 50 percent are either undergoing overfishing, currently overfished, or approaching an overfished condition, meaning that they will become overfished in two years if no action is taken. In the Gulf region, the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council http://www.gulfcouncil.org has 57 species under its direct management. Of these 57 species, over half of the species we have information for (6 out of 10) are considered overfished. This list includes red snapper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/red%20snapper%20FS.PDF, red grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/Red%20Grouper%20FS.PDF, red drum, Nassau grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/NASSAU%20GROUPER%20FS.pdf, goliath grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/GOLIATH%20GROUPER%20FS.pdf and greater amberjack http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/Amberjack%20FS.PDF. Gag grouper is considered approaching an overfished condition. Furthermore, four out of eight species in the Gulf region are also subject to overfishing. These include red http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/red%20snapper%20FS.PDF snapper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/red%20snapper.pub, red grouper http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/Red%20Grouper%20FS.PDF, gag grouper, and vermilion snapper. The majority of Gulf species (47) are considered of unknown status. NMFS http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov also directly manages a number of species in the Gulf region including sharks, tuna, and billfish. Of these species, all of the billfish for which we have information are overfished, including blue marlin, white marlin, and sailfish. Three out of the four tuna species in the Gulf are overfished, including bigeye tuna, albacore and bluefin tuna. Finally, 16 out of the 22 shark species for which information is available are considered overfished. These include sandbar, blacktip, dusky, spinner, silky, bull, Caribbean reef, tiger, lemon, sand tiger, bigeye sand tiger, nurse, scalloped hammerhead, great hammerhead, whale, and white sharks. Thus, of the 29 fish species for which scientific
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Tom, It is much research and many good specialists, I wrote a little bit about it, Fossil energy depletion and emission http://energysavingnow.com/depletion/ Association for the study of peak oil gas http://peakoil.net/ If you know so well where the oil fields are, why do not tell all the companies that are desperately drilling for oil and do not make any new discoveries of major size. It would be great if you and your friend's speculations have some merit, you can be awesome rich by guiding all the people that are spending so much money on drilling for oil, since they do not know anything. It would be great and you will be very famous also. If you are lucky, you might even single handed save the Alaska Wild Refuge and that would be great. If you are wrong, it will have very positive effects in reducing the Global Warming. Hakan At 10:45 PM 3/30/2005, you wrote: Haken and James, First, Haken my information on oil reserves in the Azerbijan region comes from a management person high up in Chevron. I will not reveal that person to you as it might put that person in a bad place. As for oil being present under the ocean, well that is where it originally got made a billion or more years ago. Since we have only found most of the stuff on dry land it only makes sense that more should be found in the ocean depths. True, oil might only be found at mouths of great rivers but we have little idea what the land masses looked like a billion years ago let alone what river systems may have existed. Increasing production capacity is linked to oil prices which you must have noticed just jumped $20.00 per barrel this past year. Supply and demand or demand and supply, I'm not sure what drives what in these days of mass marketing. But you sure as heck can build a lot of production capacity at the current price of oil. I still firmly believe it will not be lack of oil that gets us but the climate change that will disrupt our food and water supplies. Think of this. All of the glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are receding at an incredible rate. They could all e gone in less than 20 years. This is in the highest mountain range in the world that this is occurring. Those glaciers feed at least seven major river systems. The ones that come to mind most quickly are the Indus, Brahmaputra, Salween, Mekong, Ganges, Yangtze and Huange He. They supply drinking water, water for agriculture, and for industry to close to a billion people directly. When the glaciers that feed these rivers are gone they will have only annual rainfall and normal snowmelt to feed them. Their flows to drop to 1/3 of their current values. How in the world are those folks going to survive? I have no answer. I don't think anyone does. I don't believe enough people are even remotely aware of the problem. Be sure to realize that it will not only effect them. It will effect everyone indirectly in terms of economy, disease, and even warfare. You don't think China just increased its military budget cause they were having a bad day? The dino fuels are the cause of a massive problem with enormous consequences not just for certain countries but for for our entire species. Ironically these dino fuels may cause our extiction. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: James Dontje To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 9:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] when will it run out Tom and Hakan-- I was reminded recently of the power of compounding. At linear rates, if we have 100 units of oil and use it one unit per year, we can last 100 years. But if our usage grows five percent per year, we will run out in year 37. Every industrialized economy is built on the hope of perpetual growth. While the proportion changes as we gain efficiency, energy use tracks that growth. Hence, the compounding of growth is always shortening our horizon even as efficiency and new discoveries lengthen it. The problem, however, isn't running out. It is our collective reactions as we see the horizon get close. The recent postings on this list are describing a great game that is based on the powerful's reactions to a close horizon--a reaction based not simply on how to protect the future, but on how to protect the future and their own power in that future. Jim Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:58:44 +0200 From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Mapping The Oil Motive To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tom, You are in the best case right, but I think that the crises is less than one generation (20 years) away. The statement you make have no support in known facts, especially since the usage growth rate seems to be grossly underestimated. The reserves from the Oil companies has already been proven to be over estimated, with almost a third for Shell only. Hakan At 09:59 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: Hi All, I am an environmental scientist by education and my latest research is on sustainable development.
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth
I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. Farmer Paul Sorry if I'm taking the above out of context, but the above could be comparing apples to oranges. I have to believe the planet evolved with the petroleum that is released naturally into the seas. I also have to believe it's a safe bet that the planet didn't evolve with made releases of petroleum into or onto the seas. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm See: Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine But that's not quite what Elsbett's Alexander Noack is quoted as saying at the East Coast Region-United States Elsbett Workshop: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed
Re: @SPAM+++++++++ RE: [Biofuel] Study predicts growth of HCCI engines
Hello Tom. No, quoting:HCCI is a low temperature combustion technology utilizing compression ignition of well-mixed air-fuel mixture.Unlike the conventional diesel engine, HCCI emits ultra low emissions of NOx and PM. On the negative side, it can produce increased HC and CO emissions. This is a diesel engine, no doubt. The Sterling engine works with external combustion and takes advantage of the expansion (not combustion) of the working gas (hydrogen, helium, or air). Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Keith Addison ' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: @SPAM+ RE: [Biofuel] Study predicts growth of HCCI engines Hi all, Are these HCCI engines related to the Sterling engine I've just starting to learn about? Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 1:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Study predicts growth of HCCI engines DieselNet UPDATE March 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Study predicts growth of HCCI engines A new study analyzing trends in heavy-duty vehicle powertrain technologies by 2020 has been released by TIAX, a collaborative product and technology development firm, and Global Insight, an industry forecasting firm. One of the findings of the study is a predicted growth in homogeneous charge compression ignition (HCCI) engine technology which will be displacing conventional heavy-duty diesel engines. The study also predicts greater use of heavy-duty hybrid vehicles. The study, titled The Future of Heavy-Duty Powertrains, was commissioned by a group of oil companies, engine and vehicle manufacturers, and component suppliers to investigate the impact of more stringent emissions regulations, increased traffic congestion, and a shortage of skilled drivers for large vehicles on the heavy-duty vehicle industry in North America, Europe, and Japan. Key findings of the report include: - HCCI engines will power nearly 40% of heavy-duty vehicles by 2020. Initially HCCI will only be able to power light loads at low speeds so early versions of the engine will also incorporate conventional diesel combustion to supply more power when greater demand is placed on the engine. A full mode HCCI engine will eventually supersede the mixed mode HCCI/diesel technology. - By 2020, 15-25% of heavy-duty vehicles globally will incorporate either hybrid electric or hydraulic hybrid technology. The rapid deployment of hybrid technology in the heavy-duty vehicle industry will be driven by savings on fuel and brake maintenance by vehicle operators. - The demand for self-shifting transmission technology in heavy- duty vehicles will increase dramatically over the next 15 years. The self-shifting transmissions can maximize fuel efficiency and to broaden the labor pool from which drivers can be recruited because trucks with automated or automatic transmissions are easier to drive. HCCI is a low temperature combustion technology utilizing compression ignition of well-mixed air-fuel mixture. The major technical challenge in HCCI is the control of combustion, with most of today's engine prototypes being able to sustain the HCCI combustion mode only at low to medium engine loads. Unlike the conventional diesel engine, HCCI emits ultra low emissions of NOx and PM. On the negative side, it can produce increased HC and CO emissions. The predicted growth in HCCI engines is particularly significant in that the exhaust gas aftertreatment systems currently being developed- -targeting mostly NOx and PM emissions--and expected to reach the market in the next few years will start to become obsolete by 2020. Instead, HCCI emission aftertreatment would need to target HC and CO emissions at very low exhaust temperatures. Summary: http://www.globalinsight.com/publicDownload/genericContent/03-03-05_P T_overview.pdf Purchase the report: http://www.globalinsight.com/MultiClientStudy/MultiClientStudyDetail1 629.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine
I agree with you Todd. All chemical reactions of this kind carries a number of side reactions, but the amount or appetence of the glycerol cocktail cannot be used for judging the success of the transesterification(unless it is 10% by mass), but a determination of the content of the glycerol cocktail might give a clue. Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Jan Paul, It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. All base processing creates soap. What everyone keeps referring to as glycerine settling out of a transesterification (base) reaction is for the most part soap, diluted with methanol and glycerol. The volume of glycerol per liter of oil processed is ~7.9% (~79 mililiters). The excess alcohol present in this layer (glycerin cocktail) is ~65ml when initially using 200 ml per liter. The balance is soap. Different oil and fat feedstocks produce different types of soap. If your feestock was primarily soybean oil on Monday but coconut oil on Tuesday, the latter would in general yield a more solid glyc cocktail. If the feedstocks were soybean oil on both days but Tuesday's was extremely degraded (high FFA) then the latter would yield a harder glyc cocktail. If the feedstock on Monday had less animal fat in it than that on Tuesday the latter would generally yield a harder or more viscous glyc cocktail. The same happens when using different catalysts. In soap making sodium hydroxide (lye) is used to produce bar soaps (hard) and potassium hydroxide is used to produce liquid soaps (solid like thick bread dough but more soluble). When using potassium hydroxide the glyc cocktail generally never thickens beyond that of maple syrup. Hardened or thinned glyc cocktails don't necessarily indicate mistakes or correctness in processing. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hello Paul. It seems to me that you produced some soap that time. Did you measure the FFA content before starting ? Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Paul Tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] liquid glycerine Hi, I've been making Biodiesel (BD) for a few months, now.. using the Mike Pelly method.. and a curious thing happened with the last batch (my batches are in approx. 160 - 180 litres).. the glycerine was liquid after the reaction. This is the first time this has occurred for me, all other times the glycerine formed and settle in my tank, and was solid at low temperatures. I had measured accurately, the quantities of methanol, caustic soda and volume of oil...( I had an interested observer, who can testify if required!! :-) ) I watched the colour of the mixture change, as I was agitating, from a light caramel colour to a dark molasses colour... then observed the glycerine start to settle, as expected. At this time the glycerine was quite warm, so was still liquid, however, I let the mixture settle for a 2 week period and the glycerine has not set firm. maybe I should not complain.. 'cos it was easy to drain out of the tank! :-) Did the reaction not go far enough? Any further ideas on what has happened?? regards, Paul. --- Paul Tanner Software IT Architect Melbourne, Australia ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL
[Biofuel] biodiesel reactor setup
Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to make simplest biodiesel reactor. Can any one guide me on this reactor. regards, cuneyt --- Orjinal mesaj --- From: Jules Veres To: Cc: Sent: Thu Mar 31 05:15:01 EEST 2005 Subject: [Biofuel] Blending Pumps Hi Everybody, I am fairly new to this list but I find fascinating all the experience and knowledge of people here! I live in PA but originally from Hungary where we use lot of Diesel engines. I would like to convert my house heater and diesel truck to BD that is why I joined the first place. I read about the problems of the pumps, filters and blending. I happen to own a mechanical contracting business here in PA and we build and install fuel blending skids for NO. 2 heating oil mainly commercial and industrial applications. We build it from scratch, pumps, valves, gauges, filters, control panel, wiring etc, from a small portable unit to large skid mounted units. So based on my experience, with minor changes (viton seals, finer filters and heating elements) I think that could be a unit built to filter and blend Biodiesel. Please contact me with any ideas and question! Regards, Jules ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
Hello DB. Quoting :Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largely eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. I can add that this is the exact scenario with methyl ester from fish oil and linseed oil. Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm See: Iodine Values
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?]
Hello DB. Quoting :Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largely eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. I can add that this is the exact scenario with methyl ester from fish oil and linseed oil. Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm See: Iodine Values
[Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. Attachment converted: Handmade:D. Mindock.vcf 1 (TEXT/TBB6) (000BEC61) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Lutec
Simon Fowler MADUR ELECTRONICS Voitgasse 4 A-1220 Vienna Phone: + 43-1-2584502 Fax: + 43-1-2584502-22 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our homepage: www.madur.com, www.madurusa.com Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:45:51 -0600 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D. Mindock.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/attachments/20050331/3de841b9/D.Mindock-0001.vcf -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel End of Biofuel Digest, Vol 7, Issue 69 ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hubbert was not a petroleum geologist, he was a mathematician and university professor in mathematics. He presented mathematical methods to calculate the depletion of any finite resource. In the 70's directly after the 1973 crises, he got the job from the US Parliament to calculate the petroleum. In the mid 70', he presented his investigation before the US congress. After this is his name is forever connected with the oil industry. Hakan At 03:42 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Mr. Hubbert obviously did not understand Mr. Joseph Newman's Gyroscopic Particle Theory. If he did, he would confirm Big Oil's contention that there is a near infinite supply. ;) T (ducking) On 3/30/05 8:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the 1950s, a petroleum geologist named M. King Hubbert published a series of equations showing that the output of any given oil well or reservoir will follow a parabolic curve over time. Production rises quickly after initial drilling and then loses momentum as output reaches its maximum or peak -- usually when half of the total amount of oil has been extracted -- after which production falls at an increasingly sharp rate. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] biodiesel vs diesel data request
Folks, I have a statistics project due for class (im a spoh in college) and i need some data. Basically I need to find of biodiesel emits significantly less amounts of something (NOX, CO2 ect) over diesel, or if biodiesel has significantly less power than diesel, or something along the lines of something to compare biodiesel to diesel. I just need the data from each fuel being burned, no matter what it is, and I can't seem to find this data anywhere. please help if you have a minute or to. many thanks Evan J. Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent via the WebMail system at unity.unity.edu ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Tom Irwin wrote: snip and anticipate the Department of Defense being renamed the Ministry of Peace. Orwell and Huxley should be read again by everyone. a couple of examples: The healthy Forests Initiatives which is intended to increase clear cutting and the Clear Skies program which will increase, not decrease allowable pollutant emissions. Or maybe the Clean Coal technology an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Newspeak is here now. The control of mass media in the U.S. by large corporations is the most onerous attack on free speech every propagated in history. Most folks are unaware of their great loss. Hang tough, there is no way this path for my country is sustainable let alone constitutional. Tom Irwin -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Knowing that more than 100 million potential voters didn't bother to go to the polls, that percentage drops to approximately 24.5%. Bush was re-elected by less than a fourth of the country. I suspect that many of that minority were influenced by the two-word memes such as compassionate conservative and war on terror. Now we hear about a culture of life in Florida while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. [the Futile Care Law signed by Governor George W. Bush] I fear that much of America is hypnotized by the media and their bumper-sticker tabloidisms. Many others are married to the Republican Party and wouldn't vote for Jesus if he was the Democratic nominee. We also witness evergy policy from the Bush White House crafted in secret by the energy companies and the criminals who bilked Grandma Millie in California out of billions of dollars. The only way to really change the direction of the country's energy policy, or any other policy I suppose, is to do it ourselves and not count on any help from the Oil Oligarchs in Washington, D.C. The tipping point, or critical mass, is relatively small. Slightly less than 10%. Studies show in a bactrial culture that when the good bacteria reach the 9.99% or close to that number, I forget... trying to write this from memory and don't remember exactly where I read the data, anyway, when the good bacteria in the cullture reaches the ten percent level, the entire culture turns good. Not so with the bad bacteria in the culture, it can reach numbers approaching 50% and still when the good bacteria reach the magic number near 10%, the whole culture turns good. I hope to join the ranks of homebrewers sometime this fall after I make the move from the city here in S. Florida to the woods of North Florida and begin building my off-grid home. Thanks for all the input as I mostly lurk in the background for now soaking in as much information about what works for you'all and what doesn't. I'll try and keep politics to a minimum on these lists but it can't be totally ignored when it overwhelms almost every aspect of our increasingly government-controlled lives. PEACE and veggies Scott - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Hakan, Please understand and tell your friends that 48% of America voted against George Bush and his policies. That«s a lot of good people. I think that many who voted for Bush did so based on fear or his stand to overturn existing abortion laws. Many of the 48% feel he«s leading the country and the economy into ruins. I am awaiting the burning of books, particularly dictionaries and anticipate the Department of Defense being renamed the Ministry of Peace. Orwell and Huxley should be read again by everyone. The control of mass media in the U.S. by large corporations is the most onerous attack on free speech every propagated in history. Most folks are unaware of their great loss. Hang tough, there is no way this path for my country is sustainable let alone constitutional. Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Ken Where do you get a SPENT hot water heater that doesn't leak. For me ... that would be the reason to get rid of it. Thankks Wide open for ideas Roy Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darryl, Thanks for the suggestions. I am planning to process on the scale that presents itself (based on whatever every free equipment finds me). However, I have been thinking that spent hot water heaters seem to be the way to go for processors. Thanks again, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth -- don't buy those plugs Farmer Paul (except for one)
Farmer Paul Wrote: Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing the world. -- Farmer Paul You might not want to buy those plugs right away. If your talking about naturally occurring and numerous small releases of oil into the Earths oceans, I dont think this is an emergency. Youre talking about 0.6055 parts per billion by volume (if using your figures of TWO Exxon Valdeese tankers). I also think that this kind of contamination doesn'tt kill wildlife or ruin ecosystems. Maybe this is a better way to explain it. Take a drop of oil and place it on your coffee spoon. Then figure out a way to distribute it evenly throughout your farm (I assume you are a farmer, Farmer Paul). Then repeat the process. But, instead of distributing it evenly like before, lick the spoon. Can you tell the difference? Mike R ___ Units in gallons: (2 x 11e6)/(330e6 x 1101e9) = 6.055e-14 or 0.6055 parts per billion by volume Sources: Eleven million gallons of oil in EXXON Valdeese http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/SEEJ/Alaska/miller2.htm 330,000,000 cubic miles http://www.h2o4u.org/facts.html 1 cubic mile = 1,101,117,147,429 gallons = 1,101 billion gallons http://hankfiles.pcvsconsole.com/answer.php?file=447 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
The magnets that are responsible for the generation... ah yes, magnets Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES wrote: Ah well, I suppose tomorrow is April First. Simon Fowler MADUR ELECTRONICS Voitgasse 4 A-1220 Vienna Phone: + 43-1-2584502 Fax: + 43-1-2584502-22 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our homepage: www.madur.com, www.madurusa.com Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:45:51 -0600 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D. Mindock.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/attachments/20050331/3de841b9/D.Mindock-0001.vcf -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel End of Biofuel Digest, Vol 7, Issue 69 ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Hi, I've been on the list for a couple months now, reading happily, but have yet to post anything. So first, hi everyone:-). Internet scams or jokes are among my favorites, just because sometimes they're so funny and sometimes they're just so clever. I have to admit that this is pretty clever. First, there is reference to a US Patent application on their website. After do a little searching, I found a patent (granted) as described by them. US Patent number 6,630,806 viewable at: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=6,630,806.WKU.OS=PN/6,630,806RS=PN/6,630,806 (Here one can note the inefficiency of the US patent office, since the website address includes the patent number 3 times, where one time would have sufficed). However, the patent is not for an unlimited energy machine, but rather [t]he present invention is aimed at providing an improved rotary device which operates with improved efficiency compared to conventional rotary devices. So it seems they just invented a smoother motor, perhaps. Basically their claim says that they will extract the stored energy from perminant magnets. I invite those who believe that claim to read: http://phact.org/e/z/freewire.htm The most important point is: Point 1. Under ideal conditions the electrical power output generated when you move a conductor through a magnetic field is exactly equal to the mechanical power input needed to move the conductor. A more complete debunking can be found here: http://www.phact.org/e/z/lutec.pdf So if you happen to be someone who's looking to invest in green projects, don't give these people a cent (or whatever the lowest value of your own currency may be). Just one quote from the second debunking article which I find really good: Where do the inventors think the energy is coming from? Their response to this article claims that a permanent magnet holding up a heavy iron object for a long time is doing work, ie supplying energy. We point out that the formula for work is the force acting multiplied by the distance moved, thus zero movement gives zero energy. Ok, I hope that wasn't all too long. Have a nice day everyone, -Michael - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel reactor setup
I would like to make simplest biodiesel reactor. Can any one guide me on this reactor. regards, cuneyt See: Test-batch mini-processor Simple 5-gallon processor Journey to Forever 90-litre processor The 'Deepthort 100B' Batch Reactor Ian's vacuum biodiesel processor Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor Micro-Production System for Biodiesel 833 Gallon Per Day Batch Plant K.I.S.S. processor Pelly Model A processor Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet Foolproof method processors The touchless processor Continuous reactors How to make a cone-bottomed processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. Hakan Falk wrote: Hubbert was not a petroleum geologist, he was a mathematician and university professor in mathematics. He presented mathematical methods to calculate the depletion of any finite resource. In the 70's directly after the 1973 crises, he got the job from the US Parliament to calculate the petroleum. In the mid 70', he presented his investigation before the US congress. After this is his name is forever connected with the oil industry. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
speaks volumes about fair pricing structures. Diesel is cheaper to refine than gasoline! H. PS I think it was shell that said it spent x billions on hydrogen / vehicle research??!! A big tax write off! the hydrogen vehicle has been invented for 60 odd years.( well there's my rant for this morning) ok that was two. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits this year has been exceptional. Am I missing something? If prices for a raw input go up then the sale price also goes up. However, provided the prices go up at near the same rate of the inputs then profits should also remain basically stable. However, the oil companies are pulling out profits left and right. Therefore, if they are profiting then the retail price of fuel is artifically high and not high mearly because of crude prices. I know its not this simple and that the theories of supply and demand weigh in, but why are people (ie. the masses) not questioning what appears to be collusion? It might be collusion (and if so, who would we question?), but probably not. Oil company product is crude oil, not gasoline, in many cases. Why do oil companies charge high prices for it? Because they can - there are many buyers who REALLY want that oil, and are willing to pay the price. Oil company profits have increased because their crude oil production costs have not increased that much, and the price they can charge has increased. Also, their exploration costs have decreased, since they are not investing in exploration. And why should they, from a business point of view? Searching for oil costs money, and if found may have the effect of reducing the price, and therefore profits, and stock price, and executive bonuses! A bad idea. And there might not be more to find in any case, so then it would just costs money to look, reducing profits, and so on. Even if they think there MIGHT be more oil to find, why invest in finding it now? Let the price and profits stay hig! h for a while. I hope this is just my cynical view of the oil business... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Hi Roy, I have thought about that. It seems that I can probably find one that had a burned out element or an older low efficiency model and was replaced with a new fancy one. Also, any leak that isn't causing a deluge is probably weldable. Like I said, I'm keeping my eyes open for the best free option that presents itself. I have read that many people use standard old 55 gallon drums. That option won't work for me as my wife will not find the corrosion acceptable. She already needs a bit on convincing. Do you have another suggestion for a free/very cheap reaction vessle? Thanks for your input, Ken ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ken Where do you get a SPENT hot water heater that doesn't leak. For me ... that would be the reason to get rid of it. Thankks Wide open for ideas Roy Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darryl, Thanks for the suggestions. I am planning to process on the scale that presents itself (based on whatever every free equipment finds me). However, I have been thinking that spent hot water heaters seem to be the way to go for processors. Thanks again, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Greetings J, Just as common sense is not common, as long as the fuel cost does not hurt the U.S. consumer much there will be no outcry. The U.S. consumer pays one of the lowest prices for oil products of any nation not producing large volumes of the stuff. The oil companies are committing legalized and institutionalized robbery. But it's a steal little, steal big situation. If you only steal a little bit of and incredibly large market you can make a killing. If you steal big from a small market you go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00. The masses as you refer to them in the U.S. are largely, unaware, television watching, entertainment obsessed children. Until the price really begins to hurt their buying power they will continue as is. Just as the street drug dealer knows his addicts, get em hooked cheaply then slowly raise the price until they'll do anything (in this petro case permit their government to launch an immoral, recently ahistorical, pre-emptive war) to get their fix. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 6:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits this year has been exceptional. Am I missing something? If prices for a raw input go up then the sale price also goes up. However, provided the prices go up at near the same rate of the inputs then profits should also remain basically stable. However, the oil companies are pulling out profits left and right. Therefore, if they are profiting then the retail price of fuel is artifically high and not high mearly because of crude prices. I know its not this simple and that the theories of supply and demand weigh in, but why are people (ie. the masses) not questioning what appears to be collusion? It might be collusion (and if so, who would we question?), but probably not. Oil company product is crude oil, not gasoline, in many cases. Why do oil companies charge high prices for it? Because they can - there are many buyers who REALLY want that oil, and are willing to pay the price. Oil company profits have increased because their crude oil production costs have not increased that much, and the price they can charge has increased. Also, their exploration costs have decreased, since they are not investing in exploration. And why should they, from a business point of view? Searching for oil costs money, and if found may have the effect of reducing the price, and therefore profits, and stock price, and executive bonuses! A bad idea. And there might not be more to find in any case, so then it would just costs money to look, reducing profits, and so on. Even if they think there MIGHT be more oil to find, why invest in finding it now? Let the price and profits stay hig! h for a while. I hope this is just my cynical view of the oil business... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
I'd like to know how well the demographics for voting vs non-voting public match. Were the republican voters more committed? Were the ABB'ers too fragmented? ...anyone with some info on that? Mike R Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knowing that more than 100 million potential voters didn't bother to go to the polls, that percentage drops to approximately 24.5%. Bush was re-elected by less than a fourth of the country. I suspect that many of that minority were influenced by the two-word memes such as compassionate conservative and war on terror. Now we hear about a culture of life in Florida while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. [the Futile Care Law signed by Governor George W. Bush] I fear that much of America is hypnotized by the media and their bumper-sticker tabloidisms. Many others are married to the Republican Party and wouldn't vote for Jesus if he was the Democratic nominee. We also witness evergy policy from the Bush White House crafted in secret by the energy companies and the criminals who bilked Grandma Millie in California out of billions of dollars. The only way to really change the direction of the country's energy policy, or any other policy I suppose, is to do it ourselves and not count on any help from the Oil Oligarchs in Washington, D.C. The tipping point, or critical mass, is relatively small. Slightly less than 10%. Studies show in a bactrial culture that when the good bacteria reach the 9.99% or close to that number, I forget... trying to write this from memory and don't remember exactly where I read the data, anyway, when the good bacteria in the cullture reaches the ten percent level, the entire culture turns good. Not so with the bad bacteria in the culture, it can reach numbers approaching 50% and still when the good bacteria reach the magic number near 10%, the whole culture turns good. I hope to join the ranks of homebrewers sometime this fall after I make the move from the city here in S. Florida to the woods of North Florida and begin building my off-grid home. Thanks for all the input as I mostly lurk in the background for now soaking in as much information about what works for you'all and what doesn't. I'll try and keep politics to a minimum on these lists but it can't be totally ignored when it overwhelms almost every aspect of our increasingly government-controlled lives. PEACE and veggies Scott - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Hakan, Please understand and tell your friends that 48% of America voted against George Bush and his policies. That´s a lot of good people. I think that many who voted for Bush did so based on fear or his stand to overturn existing abortion laws. Many of the 48% feel he´s leading the country and the economy into ruins. I am awaiting the burning of books, particularly dictionaries and anticipate the Department of Defense being renamed the Ministry of Peace. Orwell and Huxley should be read again by everyone. The control of mass media in the U.S. by large corporations is the most onerous attack on free speech every propagated in history. Most folks are unaware of their great loss. Hang tough, there is no way this path for my country is sustainable let alone constitutional. Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Many people are switching from electric hot water to propane, so the electric hot water heaters are available. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:15 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Ken Where do you get a SPENT hot water heater that doesn't leak. For me ... that would be the reason to get rid of it. Thankks Wide open for ideas Roy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
approximately since man first rubbed two sticks together. HE. - Original Message - From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: 31 March, 2005 1:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel vs diesel data request
Folks, I have a statistics project due for class (im a spoh in college) and i need some data. Here is the US DOE/USDA biodiesel lifecycle report: http://devafdc.nrel.gov/pdfs/3812.pdf Virtually all the other pamphlets and fact sheets you'll find in the US (and elsewhere?) are based on this report. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
The date of to day is 31 mars 2005, I beliefe that you're 1 day to early, to tell us the Lutec crap story. 1 April ( April fools day ) is tomorrow. ;-) But ah... do you have financial interest in this so called Lutec company? Or are just naive ? And didn't you noticed that this list is about biofuel, not about bull shit, non existing, so called 'overunity devices' ? There is no such a thing as an over unity device ( yet;-), Is you get a certain amount of Kw's out of a black box, you must put them in there to ( first). There is not gonna come out more than there was input. Not even 1% certainly not 1500%. The only free energy on earth is solar energy ( besides a little cosmic radiation, and we leave fission out ). If you harvest this ( and convert this) in any form you can say you have captured free energy. But lets get real. If you have a battery bank in a off grid house, your a absolutely not gonna have permanent enough energy out of it for the next 50 years, even if you hang a so called lutec 1000 to it. It only can lower the capacity from that battery bank. Don 't try to fool [biofuel] readers, they are to smart to believe such a crap. Mr. Mindock I gonna bet 1000 dollars with you, that they ( Lutec ) are not gonna keep there promise, not even in 20 years, they are not gonna deliver a machine made of iron, copper wires, magnets that can get 1400% or 1500% energy out off an off grid battery bank if coupled with it; not even 140%. Are you in for a 1000$? I don't think so, unless... Now than, let's go back talking about real biofuel, and please keep this list spam free. TIA ;-)) Bruno M. ... not a moderator here, just a chemist, ...but not stuppid. ;-) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:45:51 -0600 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. = ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. I agree, and thankyou, but I'm not sure I follow the logic of your solution, attractive though it is. Does an IV value average out when you blend different oils? Other things will, of course, like say FFA levels, you'll end up with an average and that's that. But in a blend with biodiesel made from a high IV oil with biodiesel made from lower IV oils, while the proportion of high IV oil will be lower, what's to stop it oxidising and polymerising just the same? Blending it doesn't change its makeup. I'm not sure what effect blending it with petrodiesel would have, but that wouldn't change its makeup either, it still has its double bonds to be broken down and polymerise. All you'd get is proportionately less polymerisation, no? So it'll take longer to gunge up the engine. That doesn't solve the problem, just mitigates it. Sorry, I don't know if this is right or not, just trying to be logical - maybe it doesn't work like that, but I'd like to know. Regards Keith - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthers _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith Hello Jan Hello Stephan. The reason for Elsbett«s people (and several others) for rejecting soy bean oil is its high iodine number. As the case with fish oil, corn oil and several kinds of sunflower oil. A high iodine number is indicating that the oil may be chemically unstable due to its unsaturation level and therefore unsuitable as engine fuel both as SVO and BD. In other words, it polymerises - to quote Phillip Calais: Drying results from the double bonds (and sometimes triple bonds) in the unsaturated oil molecules being broken by atmospheric oxygen and being converted to peroxides. Cross-linking at this site can then occur and the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. -- From Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Keith biofuel list. I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the information we learned at last year's Elsbett workshop in North Carolina. I sent off this question : What is the main reason Elsbett suggests not using soybean oil as a fuel- Is it due to its high iodine number? Or is it just due to soybean oil's negative effect on lubrication oil? Exactly the right question, good for you. When I receive an answer I will post to the list. Thankyou, please do. By the way, I didn't include it because it was personal, but I'm sure Alexander won't mind. He also said this: I am really thankful to Rachel for her information work. She is the most serious worker I met in the US SVO-community. I hope I can continue the work with her during the next workshops there. :-) Just so you know. Regards Keith Thanks, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. Hakan Falk wrote: Hubbert was not a petroleum geologist, he was a mathematician and university professor in mathematics. He presented mathematical methods to calculate the depletion of any finite resource. In the 70's directly after the 1973 crises, he got the job from the US Parliament to calculate the petroleum. In the mid 70', he presented his investigation before the US congress. After this is his name is forever connected with the oil industry. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves ÷ Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
There's no need to be so rude. If you really have to insult someone, at least try to be polite about it. :-) Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Mr Mindock, The date of to day is 31 mars 2005, I beliefe that you're 1 day to early, to tell us the Lutec crap story. 1 April ( April fools day ) is tomorrow. ;-) But ah... do you have financial interest in this so called Lutec company? Or are just naive ? And didn't you noticed that this list is about biofuel, not about bull shit, non existing, so called 'overunity devices' ? There is no such a thing as an over unity device ( yet;-), Is you get a certain amount of Kw's out of a black box, you must put them in there to ( first). There is not gonna come out more than there was input. Not even 1% certainly not 1500%. The only free energy on earth is solar energy ( besides a little cosmic radiation, and we leave fission out ). If you harvest this ( and convert this) in any form you can say you have captured free energy. But lets get real. If you have a battery bank in a off grid house, your a absolutely not gonna have permanent enough energy out of it for the next 50 years, even if you hang a so called lutec 1000 to it. It only can lower the capacity from that battery bank. Don 't try to fool [biofuel] readers, they are to smart to believe such a crap. Mr. Mindock I gonna bet 1000 dollars with you, that they ( Lutec ) are not gonna keep there promise, not even in 20 years, they are not gonna deliver a machine made of iron, copper wires, magnets that can get 1400% or 1500% energy out off an off grid battery bank if coupled with it; not even 140%. Are you in for a 1000$? I don't think so, unless... Now than, let's go back talking about real biofuel, and please keep this list spam free. TIA ;-)) Bruno M. ... not a moderator here, just a chemist, ...but not stuppid. ;-) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:45:51 -0600 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. = ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Hakan, I will read what you have sent. However, the oil industry already knows where the oil is. I don't have to tell them. They do not make public their major finds because there is still some competition among the big players. I also have no plans to get rich at the expense of my children and grandchildren's environment. It's immoral. Once Bush received his 52% mandate the Alaskan Wilderness was doomed. If I am wrong about oil, the industry will only shift to coal. It can be transformed to liquid fuel easily. The technology for that was developed in the 1980's by Air Products and Chemicals among many others. Um, you're a bit late. I was using high-quality gasoline produced from poor-quality coal 45 years ago. From three years ago: A member of this group tells this story: One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest synthetic fuels producer globally. There is lots in the archives about this, it is often discussed. It's strongly recommended that you make more use of the archives, listed at the end of each message you receive: Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishes Keith Addison It's just waiting for the price of oil or the lack of it to make it profitable. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
I wish I understood the currently relative higher price for diesel vs. gasoline in the US (I live in Massachusetts). There are certainly supply and demand factors related to winter use of diesel for home heating, as well as refineries running at high utilization and designed to optimize gasoline production over diesel, and which need/want to use light sweet crude, not heavy sour crude. And some may say that diesel has more BTU per gallon than gasoline so should cost more. But all those arguments seem to avoid your fundamental point, that refineries use the same raw material to make either diesel or gasoline, and diesel is a lower distillate so costs less to make, AND has the advantage of higher energy density. All that said, I will be considering a diesel vehicle soon, when low sulphur fuel becomes available, and diesel vehicle emissions meet the CARB guidelines, and I am closer to making biodiesel. My Prius meets my needs for now, but I don't plan to convert it to biodiesel any time soon! From: Henri Naths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/31 Thu AM 10:45:45 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come One comment ... the price of diesel being higher than gasoline in The US speaks volumes about fair pricing structures. Diesel is cheaper to refine than gasoline! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Hakan, I will read what you have sent. However, the oil industry already knows where the oil is. I don't have to tell them. They do not make public their major finds because there is still some competition among the big players. I also have no plans to get rich at the expense of my children and grandchildren's environment. It's immoral. Once Bush received his 52% mandate the Alaskan Wilderness was doomed. If I am wrong about oil, the industry will only shift to coal. It can be transformed to liquid fuel easily. The technology for that was developed in the 1980's by Air Products and Chemicals among many others. It's just waiting for the price of oil or the lack of it to make it profitable. But consider this. Is it better for the oil industry to have low prices and sell large volumes, medium prices and sell large volumes or high prices and sell large volumes? You find the reserves, develop them as price and profit dictate. The most profitable wells are the shallow wells. Why go into the ocean depths when you get the American public to swallow some lies, fear monger a fake war on terrorism, and obtain the the shallow highly profitable oil in Iraq and Azerbijan for far less. Are you aware that the U.S. is building a huge military staging area near Azerbijan? Tell me how much money the oil companies (defense contractors, etc.)have lost in the current war in Iraq? Truth be told they're raking in huge profits. This will fund the deeper and deeper wells into the ocean depths later when the terrestial oil is depleted. Please don't take the following the wrong way. I mean it in a friendly way. When President Clinton ran against Bush the First his half hidden campaign slogan was It's the economy, stupid! Just in case anyone on the campaign staff thought that other messages were neccessary. I think our slogan should be It's the environment, stupid! Climate change is a fact. Burning fossil fuels has a lot to do with it and it has the potential to eliminate our species from the face of the Earth. Sustainable development is the key to maintaining our place on this little island of life in our universe. Tom -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out Tom, It is much research and many good specialists, I wrote a little bit about it, Fossil energy depletion and emission http://energysavingnow.com/depletion/ Association for the study of peak oil gas http://peakoil.net/ If you know so well where the oil fields are, why do not tell all the companies that are desperately drilling for oil and do not make any new discoveries of major size. It would be great if you and your friend's speculations have some merit, you can be awesome rich by guiding all the people that are spending so much money on drilling for oil, since they do not know anything. It would be great and you will be very famous also. If you are lucky, you might even single handed save the Alaska Wild Refuge and that would be great. If you are wrong, it will have very positive effects in reducing the Global Warming. Hakan At 10:45 PM 3/30/2005, you wrote: Haken and James, First, Haken my information on oil reserves in the Azerbijan region comes from a management person high up in Chevron. I will not reveal that person to you as it might put that person in a bad place. As for oil being present under the ocean, well that is where it originally got made a billion or more years ago. Since we have only found most of the stuff on dry land it only makes sense that more should be found in the ocean depths. True, oil might only be found at mouths of great rivers but we have little idea what the land masses looked like a billion years ago let alone what river systems may have existed. Increasing production capacity is linked to oil prices which you must have noticed just jumped $20.00 per barrel this past year. Supply and demand or demand and supply, I'm not sure what drives what in these days of mass marketing. But you sure as heck can build a lot of production capacity at the current price of oil. I still firmly believe it will not be lack of oil that gets us but the climate change that will disrupt our food and water supplies. Think of this. All of the glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are receding at an incredible rate. They could all e gone in less than 20 years. This is in the highest mountain range in the world that this is occurring. Those glaciers feed at least seven major river systems. The ones that come to mind most quickly are the Indus, Brahmaputra, Salween, Mekong, Ganges, Yangtze and Huange He. They supply drinking water, water for agriculture, and for industry to close to a billion people directly. When the glaciers that feed these rivers are gone they will have only annual rainfall and normal snowmelt to feed them. Their flows to drop to 1/3 of their current values. How in the world are those folks going to survive? I have no answer. I don't
RE: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
I believe today's article aligns with the current discussion. Oil Surges on 'Super-Spike' Prediction LONDON (Reuters) - Oil hurtled back up to $56 a barrel on Thursday as Goldman Sachs bank, the biggest trader of energy derivatives, said prices could ultimately surge all the way above $100. The Goldman Sachs report strengthened gains driven by a fall in U.S. gasoline stocks and fresh buying from investment funds as the dollar weakened. U.S. light crude jumped $2.11, or 3.9 percent, to a high of $56.10 a barrel, within $1.50 of a $57.60 record high struck on March 17. Benchmark Brent futures leapt $2.76 to $54.85, catching up with Wednesday's late recovery on the New York market, which this week closes an hour later than the London exchange. Oil prices have climbed around 25 percent this year as signals that rapid demand growth in emerging economies China and India will strain world supply ignited heavy buying from big-money funds. Goldman Sachs bank (NYSE:GS - news) said in a research report on Thursday that oil markets have entered a super-spike period that could see prices rising as high as $105 a barrel. We believe oil markets may have entered the early stages of what we have referred to as a super spike period -- a multi-year trading band of oil prices high enough to meaningfully reduce energy consumption and recreate a spare capacity cushion only after which will lower energy prices return, Goldman's analysts wrote. Goldman's Global Investment Research note also raised the bank's 2005 and 2006 NYMEX crude price forecasts to $50 and $55 respectively, from $41 and $40. These forecasts sit at the top of a table of predictions from 25 analysts, consultants and government bodies surveyed by Reuters . U.S. oil futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange have averaged $50.02 per barrel so far in 2005 up from a record $41.48 last year. The U.S. government reported on Wednesday that U.S. gasoline supplies fell 2.9 million barrels to 214.4 million barrels last week, the fourth decline in a row ahead of summer when consumption peaks. Gasoline demand has been running two percent higher than last year in the past four weeks, despite record prices at the pump, making the 6.3 percent inventory surplus versus last year's level less comforting than it would appear. Also encouraging gains, the dollar -- the currency of global oil trade -- retreated further on Thursday from a five-month high against the yen. A weaker dollar has encouraged funds to switch money from treasury markets into commodities, as well as insulating fuel consumption in non-dollar economies from the impact of higher crude prices. The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries raised its formal output ceiling by 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) to 27.5 million bpd in mid-March to pump up second-quarter global stocks, creating a cushion for anticipated year-end demand. --- Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings J, Just as common sense is not common, as long as the fuel cost does not hurt the U.S. consumer much there will be no outcry. The U.S. consumer pays one of the lowest prices for oil products of any nation not producing large volumes of the stuff. The oil companies are committing legalized and institutionalized robbery. But it's a steal little, steal big situation. If you only steal a little bit of and incredibly large market you can make a killing. If you steal big from a small market you go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00. The masses as you refer to them in the U.S. are largely, unaware, television watching, entertainment obsessed children. Until the price really begins to hurt their buying power they will continue as is. Just as the street drug dealer knows his addicts, get em hooked cheaply then slowly raise the price until they'll do anything (in this petro case permit their government to launch an immoral, recently ahistorical, pre-emptive war) to get their fix. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 6:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come With oil prices at an all-time high and Big Oil reporting record profits this year has been exceptional. Am I missing something? If prices for a raw input go up then the sale price also goes up. However, provided the prices go up at near the same rate of the inputs then profits should also remain basically stable. However, the oil companies are pulling out profits left and right. Therefore, if they are profiting then the retail price of fuel is artifically high and not high mearly because of crude prices. I know its not this simple and that the theories of supply and demand weigh in, but why are people (ie. the masses) not questioning what appears to be collusion? It might be collusion (and if so, who would we question?), but probably not. Oil company product is crude oil, not
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/05 11:38 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out Hello, all I'm new to the list and am catching up on all the conspiracies so have withheld comment up to this point. However, I felt it necessary to jump in here... Tom, Your logic on the river flows is .. Well.. Not logical. If the rivers drop to 1/3 their current flow once the glaciers have melted, then the current flow is augmented by said glacier melt (2/3 of it, per your argument) and is not a normal flow based on average rainfall and retention time in aquifers. Conservation of mass dictates this. So really what these poor people downstream are currently facing is flood stage rivers due to glacier melt, to correct your argument. From Tom in response: You are correct, flooding is occurring and will be exacerbated at time continues until the glaciers are no more. Yep, those poor folks get flooded first the suffer lack of water thereafter. But the argument as a whole doesn't compute, especially if one accepts the theorem that global warming is a relatively new phenomena... Say 30 years since the start of a noticeable effect? I have no idea if that guess is correct. From Tom in response: Global warming if triggerred by increases in carbon dioxide levels and other heat trapping gases started at the beginning of the Industial Revolution with the burning of coal not 30 years ago. We talk a lot about the burning of petroleum but the world and the U.S. in particular burns enormous tonnages of coal to generate electricity. The question is still being researched as to whether the planet will gradually increase in average temperature by 1-4 degrees celcius or if a tipping point (like a canoe capsizing) will be reached and it goes much higher much faster. Another question, and maybe more to the point, is: Is the earth getting warmer than usual, or are we exiting a mini ice-age and the temp is returning to a more normal range when the last 100e6 or 100e5 years is considered? I sure don't know the answer, but do question when people cry doom because the ice is melting. FWIW, an ice-age can be self-feeding at a certain point as the albedo of the planet increases dramatically and thus the planet retains LOT less energy from the sun... But... A warm-stage ecosystem is self-limiting (within limits, say at temps below 451 F ;) ) as co2 in the atmosphere gets pulled into the biomass, thus increasing the radiation of energy off-planet. Response from Tom: I'd love to be able to tell you for sure but I can't. We're talking planetary wide science that is still in its infancy but growing with the internet. If you want to see what happenned 10,000 to 100,000 years ago I suggest reading the Petagon sponsored report, An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States Security dated October 2003 by Peter Schwartz and Doug Randall. I can tell you that paradoxically global warming can lead to a speeding up of the next ice age. Why? More heat puts more water vapor (ie. clouds)in the air blocking sunlight from reaching the Earth's surface. Yes, I am definitely crying the ice is melting because it is. Although I played hockey in college many years ago I am no great lover of ice per se. But when so much freshwater gets dumped in the oceans you can screw up or completely destroy thermohaline based deep water currents. These effect not just climate but immediate weather conditions. Recall El Nino at this point for a minor effect. Either way, and I believe this may be the point you wanted to push, I agree that powerful countries will continue to exert more and more power in more and more (probably paranoid) ways to protect their interests. Too bad there is no global organization that perfomrs the same duties as the anti-monopoly laws require here in the US (yeah, I can't remember the gov't org's name who usually blesses the buyout of one behemoth by another) Oh, and your timeframe is BAD, too. To quote a random school web page The plankton that lived in the Jurassic period made our crude oil. This was the time of the dinosaurs. It was about 180,000,000 years ago. So you are off by a measly 800 million years. I do believe we have a decent idea of the continental configuration around that time, but am not sure as it outside my sphere of knowledge. From Tom in response: Kindly do not quote me random school web pages. I think I have the timeframe really clear. Deposition of phytoplankton has been occurring since algae has grown in the world's oceans well before even the most primative life crawled up or grew on land. It was that algae, yes, BILLIONs of years ago that provided the excess oxygen that grew our ozone protective layer. This permitting land life to survive. Until that ozone layer was in place to blocked the sun's ultraviolet radiation no life; plant, bacteria, fungal or animal existed on the land's surface unless it was in water greater
RE: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
Hi All, Some of you real physics guys have to tell me how this thing can possibly work. As near as I know from teaching the subject in school you can't get more energy out of a system than you put in. You can't even get the same energy out that you put in. How in the world can you get 15 times more energy out than you put in? Please help me. I'm lost. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 9:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec Ah well, I suppose tomorrow is April First. Simon Fowler MADUR ELECTRONICS Voitgasse 4 A-1220 Vienna Phone: + 43-1-2584502 Fax: + 43-1-2584502-22 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our homepage: www.madur.com, www.madurusa.com Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:45:51 -0600 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located, and then to all countries where licensing is completed. This device can furnish the all the electricity needed by the average home and runs on battery power. It produces 15 times more energy than it uses from the battery input. It's installed in the home where it's to be used. See their website at: www.lutec.com.au It appears to be the real deal. Let's hope it is. Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. It is interesting that the Australian government would not provide any startup help whatsoever. Let's hope nothing stops the release of this new technology. It does seem that every time something like this comes along it is trashed by vested powers. It is not hard to imagine this technology powering cars and trucks, producing zero pollution and unlimited mileage. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D. Mindock.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/attachments/20050331/3de841b9/D.Mindoc k-0001.vcf -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel End of Biofuel Digest, Vol 7, Issue 69 ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Optimism
lost on the robins that are hopping around in my yard. My neighbors don't seem to notice, but the robins stay on my property and simply don't bother venturing anywhere else. Right now, there are about a dozen of them hunting outside my window. In between the rain storms, my sweetheart, my boys and I have been outside working our gardens. It's been a long, hard road, but our soil is alive--it's literally crawling with arthropods, nematodes and annelidas. My boys shout excitedly when they see evidence of mycorrhizal fungi in our soil. They hack at Keith's beloved deep rooted herbs with hoes and shovels, saying die weeds! with great enthusiasm. Although I don't sanction attitudes of that nature, those thoughts have crossed my mind as I dig out the maze of interconnected horsetail roots that proliferate around my property. Our trees are blossoming. The fruit bearing bushes responded well to heavy pruning in November. It looks like the pear we didn't think would make it through another season is bravely putting out flowers, while the Italian prunes and native aspens are growing at astonishing speed. (They were seedlings two years ago, and now they're all taller than I am!) My efforts last fall, digging compost around the trees, appears to have spurred this wild growth. We will have lots of apples. Our lonesome cherry seems far happier than it was at this time last year. The only tree that isn't doing well is the dogwood in my front yard. Dump trucks rumble downhill, laden with dirt taken off of someone else's property, their jake brakes growling as tires kick up clouds of dust. I shake my head, knowing that someone else will have to labor to rebuild what the trucks are carting away, and all that soil ground by their massive wheels will wash into the storm drains when the rains return this afternoon. Some people call that progress. . . My back hurts and my shoulders ache, but I feel very alive and somehow better connected to the piece of land on which I live than is the case with neighbors who are now convinced beyond doubt that there is something terribly wrong with me! I smile and wave. Working in the dirt has this magical way of inspiring contentment, despite oil depletion, radical religious zealotry, climate change and the host of other problems we face. Everyone should have a garden! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
What about the veg-based motor oil? Does it still polamerize when you use the veg-based motor oil? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello Rachel Hello Keith biofuel list. I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the information we learned at last year's Elsbett workshop in North Carolina. I sent off this question : What is the main reason Elsbett suggests not using soybean oil as a fuel- Is it due to its high iodine number? Or is it just due to soybean oil's negative effect on lubrication oil? Exactly the right question, good for you. When I receive an answer I will post to the list. Thankyou, please do. By the way, I didn't include it because it was personal, but I'm sure Alexander won't mind. He also said this: I am really thankful to Rachel for her information work. She is the most serious worker I met in the US SVO-community. I hope I can continue the work with her during the next workshops there. :-) Just so you know. Regards Keith Thanks, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
Hi All, Some of you real physics guys have to tell me how this thing can possibly work. As near as I know from teaching the subject in school you can't get more energy out of a system than you put in. You can't even get the same energy out that you put in. How in the world can you get 15 times more energy out than you put in? Please help me. I'm lost. Tom Irwin You are quite right. Its absurd. It can't possibly work. I have seen several similar claims in recent years claiming their invention will give 100% power increases they usually ask for donations or deposits somewhere on the site. No mention was given in the site to paying money but I did find a section asking electrical workers to apply to go on one of their 'seminars' to become part of their network of approved installers! Unless of course they are genuine, in which case I am going to sue the university that tought me the fundamental laws of thermodynamics and wasted several years of my life! The sad thing is that these sorts of people often make large sums of money from the less educated amongst us who believe what they are told. Chris.. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
I see why they call it down under now.Perpetural motion isn't possible on this planet. I think not in this universe.This guy has slid over into another dimension or what? JD2005 - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Hi Tom, (snip) If I am wrong about oil, the industry will only shift to coal. It can be transformed to liquid fuel easily. The technology for that was developed in the 1980's by Air Products and Chemicals among many others. It's just waiting for the price of oil or the lack of it to make it profitable. A minor correction just for sake of the archives: oil from coal as a process was not developed in the 1980s nor was it an American idea. It was already a reality in the early 1950s (from an original German idea) as a state-sponsored project by the South African government of those days. It was also a demonstration of what a nation can do when it has its back to the wall. Just by way of background: South Africa, as you may recall, was then regarded by the western world as a pariah state. As such it was facing the threat (eventually realised) of having fewer and fewer trading partners. It was not an oil-producing country so the South Africans moved to obviate that problem in the short term by using obsolete mines deep underground to store what eventually became a three-year cushion of oil. What the country did have in abundance was good quality coal. By the end of the Fifties this had became the feedstock for an advanced oil from coal process that eventually reached the stage of meeting all the country's fuel needs. In the Seventies, just to put the cherry on top, a nuclear power station - still the only functioning nuclear station in Africa - was built at the southern tip of the continent to ensure the stability of the electrical grid system. By the mid-70s South Africa was totally independent of world energy supplies while remaining a net exporter of coal. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
