[Biofuel] The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes
http://rachel.org/ From: Rachel's Democracy Health News #831, Dec. 1, 2005 The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes By Peter Montague Some of my best friends still put their faith in numerical risk assessments. For example, over in Jersey City, N.J., local people are now debating how clean is clean enough for thousands of tons of cancer-causing chromium wastes. My friends argue that 30 parts per million (ppm) of chromium-VI (chromium six) is a science-based number that will protect residents from lung disease caused by chromium. On the other hand, N.J. state government wants to save the chromium polluters some money by declaring 240 ppm safe, thus requiring less cleanup. The experts are duking it out, debating 30 ppm vs. 240 ppm. Over in New York, major polluters have convinced state officials that toxic waste cleanup standards are unnecessarily strict, so the state has proposed to relax its toxic cleanup rules. Citizens are pressing to maintain the existing standards, which they hope are fully protective of human health, fish, and all other critters. Again, we have dueling experts defending their favorite numbers. It's the same all over, really. After decades of industry-written government-delivered propaganda, many people have become convinced that there is some safe amount of PCBs plus mercury plus lead plus benzene plus trichloroethylene (TCE) plus [you name it] that can be released into the general environment. But let's think about this for a minute. This whole approach is based on protecting a most-exposed individual located in the immediate vicinity of the pollution source. Once the pollution-source has been declared safe from the viewpoint of that most-exposed individual, the toxic discharge becomes legal, and a continuous stream of contamination enters the environment. As time passes, this safe discharge (plus thousands more like it) creates a buildup of pollution and the entire planet becomes contaminated with industrial poisons. As a result, everyone is endangered -- the asthma rate rises, diabetes increases, and cancers proliferate, not to mention male fish turning into females, oysters dying from bacterial infections because their immune systems are damaged, sea turtles developing deadly growths and lesions, ducks that cannot eat because they are born with crossed bills... and so on and so on. Let's face it, a regulatory system based on risk assessments to protect the most-exposed individual ends up having one important effect: it legalizes the contamination of the biosphere upon which all life depends. It allows industrial poisons to pollute every living thing on earth. So it ends up not protecting anyone, despite its initial good intention. Example: A factory is emitting cancer-causing benzene. A numerical risk assessment shows that only one-in-a-million individuals living near the factory will get leukemia from breathing benzene for a lifetime. Therefore the factory's benzene emission is declared safe and a permit is issued, making that factory's benzene discharge legal. But after 10 or 20 or 50 different benzene emitters have been licensed as safe, the individual discharges have a cumulative effect: the entire area becomes contaminated with low levels of benzene. Eventually, you work your way up to our present situation -- benzene is measurable in the air everywhere, and thus poses a small but greater-than-zero cancer hazard to everyone who breathes the air (not to mention non-cancer harms that benzene may cause). What is true for benzene is also true for mercury, PCBs, trichloroethylene (TCE), tetrachloroethylene (PCE), carbon tetrachloride, formaldehyde, xylenes, dioxins and furans, polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDEs), and on and on and on. There are 80,000 chemicals now in commercial use. Only a couple of thousand of these had undergone any testing for effects on human health and the environment. Only a few hundred are regulated in any way. For most chemicals, we are still living in the wild west: anything goes. Even when a chemical is regulated, the regulatory system never asks, What is the cumulative effect of all these small discharges of toxicants? To summarize: Our regulatory system was developed in the mid-1960s to protect the maximally-exposed individual. The idea was, if you protect that individual, then everyone else will be safe. We now know that this is completely backward. Some 40 years later, scientific knowledge has increased greatly and we now know that... ** If chemicals are produced, either intentionally or as by-products of industrial activities, and not destroyed naturally or by humans, they eventually reach the environment. [1, pg. 815] ** Once chemicals enter the environment, they start moving around and eventually end up in living things (the food chain); ** some contaminants are harmful at much lower levels than we ever knew (for example some chemicals are
[Biofuel] Fwd: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:00:47 EST Reply-To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem of Avian Flu is an opportunity for us to stop and ask some very basic questions. Firstly, why does the pathogenic virus manifest in the first place? Little importance is given to the conditions that result in the creation of the virus. A lot of attention is given to exposure avoidance and eradication once the virus manifests. As many have stated throughout history, it is not the virus that we should focus on, but rather, the condition of the birds or people that manifest the virus. What is it about these birds or humans that created a fertile environment for the virus? This question must be explored not just from an exposure avoidance perspective but from a health building perspective. The crux of the matter is in defining pathogens as either endemic and naturally occurring, or the result of corrupted husbandry practices and an immunosuppresive environment. If you accept the first model, it is easy to absolve anyone of being responsible for being the source(s) of the pathogen. Also, it implies that battling the pathogen is the right thing to do. A small fly in the ointment is the fact that battling the pathogen at every turn results in an endless string of mutations and new pathogens. Battles are supposedly won but the war never ends. Out of profit motives and fear of exposure to the pathogens, farm animals continue to be subjected to intensive husbandry practices that are focused more on growth rates, feed conversions, and stocking densities in an environment that is now akin to a P4 biohazard site. The boogie man comes from outside so do everything possible to cut off the animals from contact with the outside world. Of course, corrupted husbandry practices are not exclusively the domain of intensive operations as it is possible to rear only one animal in an unhealthy manner. One of the biggest problems is in defining what a healthy bird or human is. Does health come from within or without? Does disease come from within or without? I would suggest that health is a natural outcome of allowing a bird or human to grow in an environment and in a manner in which health can be achieved without disease intervention (of course this is an inevitable requirement until we get it right). This does not involve isolation from the natural world. Given the manner in which the government and industry have framed the Avian flu problem, it would be easy to conclude that all birds should be reared in a confined environment because the disease can only come from external exposure. The extension to this is that all free range or outdoor operations should be shut down because those birds will be sitting ducks (pun intended) for bird flu. If exposure defines disease, then the argument is easy to defend. If bird health defines susceptibility to disease, the argument could fall apart if there is a correlation between bird health (drug free that is) and husbandry methods. We need to even the playing field and get a true assessment of the health of birds grown intensively for maximum weight gain / growth rate / stocking density and minimum feed conversion using chemicals and therapeutants versus birds grown for optimal health without disease fighting agents. Let's call a one year moratorium on the use of chemicals, drugs, and therapeutants. Then let's take a bird from each rearing method and expose them to the avian flu and see what happens. I suspect that intensively reared birds will do poorly. I also suspect that there is too broad a range of practices that fall into the category of free range / organic and that some of these birds would do poorly as well. However, I also suspect that birds that are truly reared for optimal health will survive the test. Perhaps we can finally vindicate Antoine Bechamp and focus more on rearing methods that focus on health and less on battling external disease. Alan Ismond, P.Eng. Aqua-Terra Consultants ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes
Keith: The environmental problem is exactly as you describe, however it is a subset of the profit Vs health picture and is compounded by globalization. There are significant geographic alternatives for most manufacturers/ polluters. Cumulative pollution levels are not constrained by Geopolitical boundaries. Perversely manufacturers/ polluters could significantly increase their harmful contributions to global pollution by moving to a country with a more favorable regulatory environment and/or cheaper labour (growth Vs health/ human life). Reductions in either of these two input costs could result in increased productive output (with more pollution), under a competitive advantage justification (numbers). We see by numerous examples typified by todays coal miners, that a workforce educated to the health risks of a hazardous environment, can always be found. Rather than risk localized regional or super-regional economic decay, they will stay close to home and die early. Keeping polluters in this country allows a weak measure of control until the issue is raised again tomorrow. It ultimately results in more (Vs yesterday) toxins released on a daily basis, but less than an offshore move to a place where people cut the grass with hand shears and death is a great reward for having lived. Our lawmakers believe they are judges, knowing nothing until they are told. It allows them to claim impartiality. The profit side has successfully painted the green groups as environmental saboteurs (General Subutai: 1248). The environmentalists have ham-handled the overall reponse with ridiculous complexity that removes the common man (support) from the equation. It has allowed corporations to fight the fight in labs using bad science and it has confused and deafened the voting public. It is too late for idealistic solutions. If we dont show the lawmakers (old age vote buyers) how the Profit side can make money while they pass laws to protect the environment, (before they die of butter and scotch poisoning), well get nothing but formaldehyde in our bread. Rad -- Original Message -- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:06:19 +0900 http://rachel.org/ From: Rachel's Democracy Health News #831, Dec. 1, 2005 The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes By Peter Montague Some of my best friends still put their faith in numerical risk assessments. For example, over in Jersey City, N.J., local people are now debating how clean is clean enough for thousands of tons of cancer-causing chromium wastes. My friends argue that 30 parts per million (ppm) of chromium-VI (chromium six) is a science-based number that will protect residents from lung disease caused by chromium. On the other hand, N.J. state government wants to save the chromium polluters some money by declaring 240 ppm safe, thus requiring less cleanup. The experts are duking it out, debating 30 ppm vs. 240 ppm. Over in New York, major polluters have convinced state officials that toxic waste cleanup standards are unnecessarily strict, so the state has proposed to relax its toxic cleanup rules. Citizens are pressing to maintain the existing standards, which they hope are fully protective of human health, fish, and all other critters. Again, we have dueling experts defending their favorite numbers. It's the same all over, really. After decades of industry-written government-delivered propaganda, many people have become convinced that there is some safe amount of PCBs plus mercury plus lead plus benzene plus trichloroethylene (TCE) plus [you name it] that can be released into the general environment. But let's think about this for a minute. This whole approach is based on protecting a most-exposed individual located in the immediate vicinity of the pollution source. Once the pollution-source has been declared safe from the viewpoint of that most-exposed individual, the toxic discharge becomes legal, and a continuous stream of contamination enters the environment. As time passes, this safe discharge (plus thousands more like it) creates a buildup of pollution and the entire planet becomes contaminated with industrial poisons. As a result, everyone is endangered -- the asthma rate rises, diabetes increases, and cancers proliferate, not to mention male fish turning into females, oysters dying from bacterial infections because their immune systems are damaged, sea turtles developing deadly growths and lesions, ducks that cannot eat because they are born with crossed bills... and so on and so on. Let's face it, a regulatory system based on risk assessments to protect the most-exposed individual ends up having one important effect: it legalizes the contamination of the biosphere upon which all life depends. It allows industrial poisons to pollute every living thing on
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Good Day to you Kim, I am somewhat aware of the campaign against pesticide testing on children thanks to Mike Weaver's recent post in which he wrote: If you haven't already done so please learn more and send an instant letter to the EPA here (public comment period expires Dec.12) http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm; The site is impressive. It provides easy to understand wording of areas where loopholes exist in the proposal that would allow unscrupulous pesticide testing on children. The site also made it easy for me to send a message to the appropriate agency. (Not what I thaought of when you mentioned sending a postcard). I also visited the site you quoted: www.moveon.org . It was another impressive site; and suspect it is an effective way to mobilize opinion. It also includes a way to send a message to the appropriate. I have been called stupid I prefer ignorant. I didn't know about these sites, and thank you ( and Mike) for bringing them to my attention. Do you (or anyone else)know of any sites specifically developed to help keep us biodiesel homebrewers in the US in the know regarding proposals that might impact our rights/abilities to continue brewing? ... And to send a message to the appropriate person/agencies should the need arise? Thanks, Tom - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Greetings, If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on children, forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal raw milk, due to such campaignes. Move on is an organization that gets the people out to write to congress and it is working. When enough people write letters, the congressmen get worried about re-election. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Kim, You wrote: I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Has bombarding Washington w. postcards been an effective way of steering national policy in a direction you are comfortable with? Tom - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Soybean based biodiesel
The aspen Times is carrying a story about problems with buses running on 5% bio diesel mixture. Is it normal to have your fuel tank etc. clogged up with a green algae substance, or has it to do with the 5% mixture? Does the fact that the Bio diesel was manufactured from Soybeans have any thing to do with it? Apart from our normal interest in Bio diesel in general, weare thinking of planting soybeans to manufacture bio diesel from. Our number one choiceto manufacture bio diesel from isJatropha Curcas but we have been unable to obtain seeds locally or from any of the countries surrounding us.(South Africa) Kind regards. Isabel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list
Thanks Keith, I caught them all on this end so no damage here. Seems this is the risk we take to be a part of the information age. I wish to thank you for all your efforts on that end. What a great list this is ! I thank you for all your efforts. Jim Keith Addison wrote: Dear all I'm sorry about this, it's happened a few times recently that viruses have got through to the list membership. It shouldn't have happened, the list server is set to convert all code to ascii and to reject all attachments, but there seems to be a hole in the Mailman software and a few viruses have slipped through anyway. It is a little strange that they've all purported to come from either me or Midori at Journey to Forever, but it has nothing to do with us nonetheless. Viruses steal other people's addresses and use them as a false sender's address, and there's no way of stopping it. Our computers are not sending out viruses. The list's host service has now added an extra layer of virus protection covering the entire Biofuel list, and that should help. They don't normally do that because it takes extra bandwidth, it's only the Biofuel list that has this service. Beyond that, we're working on it, but hopefully there shouldn't be any more viruses. All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel gunks up engines in Washington State (DB)
It seems the worst thing mentioned in the article was changing fuel filters. Probably gunk from the dino fuel. BTW- the article mentions that we don't have enough acreage to grow enough vegetable oil to replace just the diesel being currently consumed in this country. Anyone know if that is a reasonable statement? Follow up http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/249964_gbio28.html DB wrote: I heard this report on NPR last week. They were interviewing some govt person about biodiesel in the ferryboat engines. All they said was that it gunked up the engines. Anybody there in Washington state have any more info on this matter? DB ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list
I assumed that because they had attachments and you have said you never send attachments, they were viruses so I deleted them. This is a correct assumtion, isn't it? Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu
Keith Addison wrote: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:00:47 EST Reply-To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] We need to even the playing field and get a true assessment of the health of birds grown intensively for maximum weight gain / growth rate / stocking density and minimum feed conversion using chemicals and therapeutants versus birds grown for optimal health without disease fighting agents. Let's call a one year moratorium on the use of chemicals, drugs, and therapeutants. Then let's take a bird from each rearing method and expose them to the avian flu and see what happens. I suspect that intensively reared birds will do poorly. I also suspect that there is too broad a range of practices that fall into the category of free range / organic and that some of these birds would do poorly as well. However, I also suspect that birds that are truly reared for optimal health will survive the test. Perhaps we can finally vindicate Antoine Bechamp and focus more on rearing methods that focus on health and less on battling external disease. Hmm, my impression was that the H5N1 has been in asia for at least 8 years now, and that the area in which it seems to have originated and in which it is now most frequently found is by and large how Aquatfs advocates growing them. IE, they're largely free range, have a wide variety of foods in their diets, coexist with other animals. I agree in general with the sentiments written here, but we have to recognize that it's entirely possible that this very combination is what creates the new pathogens in the first place. Evidence points to pigs as a likely source for them to mutate into something that attacks humans. The combination of access to wild birds that carry the disease, domestic chickens and geese that harbor the disease, and pigs in immediate proximity to catch the disease - possibly from feeding on the diseased chickens - is the ideal environment for creating new pathogens that humans are suseptible to. I'll also admit that the human means of dealing with chickens in the area is also partly responsible; live chicken markets, many people slaughtering the birds, and insufficient cooking is a recipe for introducing the pathogen to humans from infected birds. All in all it's a formula for disaster, and many scientists believe that it's happened in the past. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Your Tax dollars at work
It's not true; I made it up as an example of what we can expect instead of any sort or reasoned debate about the actual problems facing the US. It's a hoax. -Mike JJJN wrote: LIBERAL PLAN TO REMOVE THE CHRIST FROM CHRISTMAS AND MAKE IT X-MAS. My fellow American, I have learned today that the Liberals in Congress are secretly plotting to take Jesus, the Christ, out of Christmas and change the holiday's name to X-mas. As we all know, X is simply shorthand for X-rated, and if these godless secular humanist liberals aren't stopped, soon the birthday of Christ will become a sex-drenched extragaganza. Your children will subjected to topless elves, video sex toys and a parade of naked X-mas characters. ONLY YOU CAN STOP THIS ATTACK ON JESUS. YOU MUST DONATE TO THE KEEP THE CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS PAC SO WE CAN SPREAD THE WORD. EVEN MORE IMPORTANLY, YOU MUST SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICAN IN THE UPCOMING PRIMARIES. God bless, Karl Rove Ok , Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I was away for awhile. This is just s wrong I gotta get my 2 cents in. 1) X-mas is short hand, X= Cross = Christ + mas = Christmas I remember it being written this way before the word liberal was used to describe a strong Democrat or opposite of Conservative. 2) Just when was Christ ever in Christmas anyway? The holiday was created by Catholics to convert large groups of Pagans to catholics by taking Pagan traditions and celebrations and calling them Christs Mass. They created a PHONY birthday for Christ so it would coincide (just after) with the winter solstice wherein these Pagan traditions revolved. The whole deal is more Catholics meant more Money in the church and more power to convert more Catholics. Rove is using this same ages old tactic to create more REPULICHRISTIANS whereby more money whereby more power to... - (this part scares me) I don't care if you are Catholic and love your holiday or if you are anything else and love the holiday - the point is the religious right thinks that they have a God given agenda to stomp on anyone that disagrees on them and their agenda. The sad part is, if Christ came back and didn't agree with them he might get put on the cross again. In summary religion is a bigger business than oil. Sorry I digress Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list
Thanks Keith, I caught them all on this end so no damage here. Seems this is the risk we take to be a part of the information age. I wish to thank you for all your efforts on that end. What a great list this is ! I thank you for all your efforts. You're most welcome Jim, thanks for saying so... but I think if there are to be thanks we'll all have to share them. Dammit, ascii has its limitations - how do you do a smiley that bows? (Or have I been in Japan too long?) O kage samade. All best Keith Jim Keith Addison wrote: Dear all I'm sorry about this, it's happened a few times recently that viruses have got through to the list membership. It shouldn't have happened, the list server is set to convert all code to ascii and to reject all attachments, but there seems to be a hole in the Mailman software and a few viruses have slipped through anyway. It is a little strange that they've all purported to come from either me or Midori at Journey to Forever, but it has nothing to do with us nonetheless. Viruses steal other people's addresses and use them as a false sender's address, and there's no way of stopping it. Our computers are not sending out viruses. The list's host service has now added an extra layer of virus protection covering the entire Biofuel list, and that should help. They don't normally do that because it takes extra bandwidth, it's only the Biofuel list that has this service. Beyond that, we're working on it, but hopefully there shouldn't be any more viruses. All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel gunks up engines in Washington State (DB)
It seems the worst thing mentioned in the article was changing fuel filters. Probably gunk from the dino fuel. BTW- the article mentions that we don't have enough acreage to grow enough vegetable oil to replace just the diesel being currently consumed in this country. Anyone know if that is a reasonable statement? ... fourth time: How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch Best Keith Follow up http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/249964_gbio28.html DB wrote: I heard this report on NPR last week. They were interviewing some govt person about biodiesel in the ferryboat engines. All they said was that it gunked up the engines. Anybody there in Washington state have any more info on this matter? DB ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list
I assumed that because they had attachments and you have said you never send attachments, they were viruses so I deleted them. This is a correct assumtion, isn't it? Marilyn Yes. Delete all attachments unread, don't try to open them. But your virus protection should be doing that for you,. shouldn't it? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu
Helklo David I think you don't know much about organics, eh? Try this: An Agricultural Testament by Sir Albert Howard, Oxford University Press, 1940. 11. The Retreat of the Crop and the Animal before the Parasite Humus and Disease Resistance The Mycorrhizal Association and Disease The Investigations of Tomorrow http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/AT11.html 12. Soil Fertility and National Health http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/AT12.html There's a lot more in the Small FarmsLibrary - the Cheshire Testament, Sir Robert McCarrison, G.T. Wrench... All worth a good read. The disease isn't the problem, the susceptibility is. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:00:47 EST Reply-To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] We need to even the playing field and get a true assessment of the health of birds grown intensively for maximum weight gain / growth rate / stocking density and minimum feed conversion using chemicals and therapeutants versus birds grown for optimal health without disease fighting agents. Let's call a one year moratorium on the use of chemicals, drugs, and therapeutants. Then let's take a bird from each rearing method and expose them to the avian flu and see what happens. I suspect that intensively reared birds will do poorly. I also suspect that there is too broad a range of practices that fall into the category of free range / organic and that some of these birds would do poorly as well. However, I also suspect that birds that are truly reared for optimal health will survive the test. Perhaps we can finally vindicate Antoine Bechamp and focus more on rearing methods that focus on health and less on battling external disease. Hmm, my impression was that the H5N1 has been in asia for at least 8 years now, and that the area in which it seems to have originated and in which it is now most frequently found is by and large how Aquatfs advocates growing them. IE, they're largely free range, have a wide variety of foods in their diets, coexist with other animals. I agree in general with the sentiments written here, but we have to recognize that it's entirely possible that this very combination is what creates the new pathogens in the first place. Evidence points to pigs as a likely source for them to mutate into something that attacks humans. The combination of access to wild birds that carry the disease, domestic chickens and geese that harbor the disease, and pigs in immediate proximity to catch the disease - possibly from feeding on the diseased chickens - is the ideal environment for creating new pathogens that humans are suseptible to. I'll also admit that the human means of dealing with chickens in the area is also partly responsible; live chicken markets, many people slaughtering the birds, and insufficient cooking is a recipe for introducing the pathogen to humans from infected birds. All in all it's a formula for disaster, and many scientists believe that it's happened in the past. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil topoorfolks
We here in the US have been giving away our treasure for 3 years now, not to mention spending billions abroad on oil. Jason and Katie wrote: We need a class struggle here in the bad old USA, i doubt it would do any good to Venezuela, sapping the energy like that, but the class gap needs to be either closed or become so rampantly obvious that someone will do something about it. - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil topoorfolks Dear sir: if I were a poor american I would agree 100% with you, but I am a venezuelan and Mr. Chavez is giving away our wealth with out even consulting the venezuelan congress... besides he is planting the seed of class hate and class strugle in USA. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Moveon.org also solicits funding. My family has given them money. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on children, forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal raw milk, due to such campaignes. Move on is an organization that gets the people out to write to congress and it is working. When enough people write letters, the congressmen get worried about re-election. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Kim, You wrote: I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Has bombarding Washington w. postcards been an effective way of steering national policy in a direction you are comfortable with? Tom - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? -Mike Doug Turner wrote: Hi Mike, Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound to be a cult classic. Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Nah, when it comes it'll be from two directions: The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by Big Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and trumpet it all over the place. The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we could stand, divided we'll fall. When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver Joe Street wrote: I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else registered on the site as well. Comments? Joe David Miller wrote: Joe Street wrote: Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could be identified by smell
Re: [Biofuel] Soybean based biodiesel
The aspen Times is carrying a story about problems with buses running on 5% bio diesel mixture. Is it normal to have your fuel tank etc. clogged up with a green algae substance, or has it to do with the 5% mixture? Does the fact that the Bio diesel was manufactured from Soybeans have any thing to do with it? Apart from our normal interest in Bio diesel in general, we are thinking of planting soybeans to manufacture bio diesel from. Try a good old browse in the list archives to find out why soy biodiesel fails to meet the European biodiesel standard. Our number one choice to manufacture bio diesel from is Jatropha Curcas but we have been unable to obtain seeds locally or from any of the countries surrounding us.(South Africa) Still your number one choice? You didn't have a very positive response when you raised it here before. In fact nobody thought it was a good idea. Oh well. Kind regards. Isabel Here's the offending article (you might at least provide a url next time). Pioneering, LOL! http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20051204/NEWS/112040022 Aspen Times News for Aspen Colorado - News Bean-based biodiesel gives buses bellyache By Chad Abraham December 4, 2005 As nutritional as they are, beans can also be the source of occasional discomfort. While beans in humans can lead to gas, beans in the gas of local buses has led to engine indigestion. Like someone who has had one pinto too many, some buses in Aspen that run on soybean-based biodiesel started having trouble about three weeks ago. After a bus repeatedly failed to start, mechanics unveiled the problem: a green, algae-like substance clogging up the fuel tank. The tank, like the rest of the other buses in the Roaring Fork Transportation Authority fleet, holds diesel fuel and a 5 percent mixture of biodiesel fuel. A bacteria found growing on the fuel was plugging up filters in the engine, said Kenny Osier, RFTA's maintenance director. Three of the six buses operating in Aspen were affected, but none of the buses traveling up and down the valley had any problems. We're not quite sure why, Osier said. No passengers were inconvenienced, and the problem has already been remedied by the fuel supplier, Agland, a farmer-owned cooperative based near Greeley. The work cost Agland $6,000. We treated all our fuel with a 'biocide,' and it's going to be a standard procedure from this point forward, Osier said. We hope that we've gotten through the [problem]. Other jurisdictions have had similar issues, he said, and likely the bacteria was at the root of those problems, as well. The 5 percent biodiesel mix is in its 13th month of use by RFTA. There are no plans to discontinue using the environmentally friendly fuel, but we are going to sample our fuel pretty regularly for the next month or two, Osier said. Agland officials really want biodiesel to work, he said. A letter from the company to Osier said Agland and RFTA share a common thread in our commitment to biomass fuels. They are good for our environment [and] American farmers, and reduce our dependence on petroleum imports. The letter notes that pioneering things of this nature are not easy and that Agland appreciates RFTA's commitment and patience. While it is not the path of least resistance, it is the course we need to pursue for our collective future, the letter says. Chad Abraham's e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes
Hello Rad Have you read any more of Peter Montague's writings? There's a lot of it in the list archives if you don't feel like browsing Rachel's site. http://snipurl.com/khaj Search results for 'Rachel's' I think it addresses a lot of your (very good!) points. Actually there's a lot of other stuff there that does that too. Lots about risk management and precaution, eg, and even more about corporate predation. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Keith: The environmental problem is exactly as you describe, however it is a subset of the profit Vs health picture and is compounded by globalization. There are significant geographic alternatives for most manufacturers/ polluters. Cumulative pollution levels are not constrained by Geopolitical boundaries. Perversely manufacturers/ polluters could significantly increase their harmful contributions to global pollution by moving to a country with a more favorable regulatory environment and/or cheaper labour (growth Vs health/ human life). Reductions in either of these two input costs could result in increased productive output (with more pollution), under a competitive advantage justification (numbers). We see by numerous examples typified by todays coal miners, that a workforce educated to the health risks of a hazardous environment, can always be found. Rather than risk localized regional or super-regional economic decay, they will stay close to home and die early. Keeping polluters in this country allows a weak measure of control until the issue is raised again tomorrow. It ultimately results in more (Vs yesterday) toxins released on a daily basis, but less than an offshore move to a place where people cut the grass with hand shears and death is a great reward for having lived. Our lawmakers believe they are judges, knowing nothing until they are told. It allows them to claim impartiality. The profit side has successfully painted the green groups as environmental saboteurs (General Subutai: 1248). The environmentalists have ham-handled the overall reponse with ridiculous complexity that removes the common man (support) from the equation. It has allowed corporations to fight the fight in labs using bad science and it has confused and deafened the voting public. It is too late for idealistic solutions. If we dont show the lawmakers (old age vote buyers) how the Profit side can make money while they pass laws to protect the environment, (before they die of butter and scotch poisoning), well get nothing but formaldehyde in our bread. Rad -- Original Message -- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:06:19 +0900 http://rachel.org/ From: Rachel's Democracy Health News #831, Dec. 1, 2005 The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes By Peter Montague snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
And I think letting the other be the only voice framing the argument is flat stupid. If there were a bill up to regulate BD; I would go to Capital Hill and present facts to lawmakes. I don't pretend it's a fair process, I've lived in the DC area my whole life - I know how it works. Maybe I've just had better luck with lawmakers. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I do believe that your kind of spreading the word is what we need. I think it is the talking to those on Capital Hill, face to face that is dangerous. I am not Keith, but I learned way back when that telling the truth and trying to get legislation to be reasonable doesn't work. That was a different time and a different country, but I have seen the same crap happen here. Those who support the status quo just destroyed the Brazos Literacy Volunteers of America to the point where it no longer exists. Unfortunately, they took down 8 small town groups with them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Hello All, My father-in-law, a diesel mechanic, has helped me build a BD processor, travelled with me from NY to Florida to get an clean, old Mercedes that just loves BD. He is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says: Lay low in the high grass. I say: Spread the word, change the world. I just retired after teaching high school biology for 32 years. I was asked to come back, sort of as a guest speaker. I got to spend two days w. former students, now taking AP Biology. I demonstrated the basic idea of making biodiesel 1L in a PET bottle saw the glycerine split had bd as diff. stages of wash and showed that the bd I made in class wash poor quality (didn't pass the wash test). This was enthusiastically received, ... much discussion, and I left them with the assurance that I would come back to the chem. class when they knew about titration and were doing the organic chem unit. My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences, or any one who expresses an interest in bd or any alternate energy system. I've had a few tours of my processing setup. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we lay low and expand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members. i.e. Do we lay low, or spread the word'? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Soybean based biodiesel
I personally have not had any issues with algae growing in my tank. I use between B100 and B20 depending on temperature. My biodiesel is also commercial produced fuel, mostly soybean from Agland, but canola from Blue Sun if I can get it. Any clogging of my filters seems to be due to rust, which I suspect the biodiesel is cleaning out of my 21 year old tank. On 12/4/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The aspen Times is carrying a story about problems with buses running on 5% bio diesel mixture. Is it normal to have your fuel tank etc. clogged up with a green algae substance, or has it to do with the 5% mixture? Does the fact that the Bio diesel was manufactured from Soybeans have any thing to do with it? Apart from our normal interest in Bio diesel in general, we are thinking of planting soybeans to manufacture bio diesel from. Try a good old browse in the list archives to find out why soy biodiesel fails to meet the European biodiesel standard. Our number one choice to manufacture bio diesel from is Jatropha Curcas but we have been unable to obtain seeds locally or from any of the countries surrounding us.(South Africa) Still your number one choice? You didn't have a very positive response when you raised it here before. In fact nobody thought it was a good idea. Oh well. Kind regards. Isabel Here's the offending article (you might at least provide a url next time). Pioneering, LOL! http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20051204/NEWS/112040022 Aspen Times News for Aspen Colorado - News Bean-based biodiesel gives buses bellyache By Chad Abraham December 4, 2005 As nutritional as they are, beans can also be the source of occasional discomfort. While beans in humans can lead to gas, beans in the gas of local buses has led to engine indigestion. Like someone who has had one pinto too many, some buses in Aspen that run on soybean-based biodiesel started having trouble about three weeks ago. After a bus repeatedly failed to start, mechanics unveiled the problem: a green, algae-like substance clogging up the fuel tank. The tank, like the rest of the other buses in the Roaring Fork Transportation Authority fleet, holds diesel fuel and a 5 percent mixture of biodiesel fuel. A bacteria found growing on the fuel was plugging up filters in the engine, said Kenny Osier, RFTA's maintenance director. Three of the six buses operating in Aspen were affected, but none of the buses traveling up and down the valley had any problems. We're not quite sure why, Osier said. No passengers were inconvenienced, and the problem has already been remedied by the fuel supplier, Agland, a farmer-owned cooperative based near Greeley. The work cost Agland $6,000. We treated all our fuel with a 'biocide,' and it's going to be a standard procedure from this point forward, Osier said. We hope that we've gotten through the [problem]. Other jurisdictions have had similar issues, he said, and likely the bacteria was at the root of those problems, as well. The 5 percent biodiesel mix is in its 13th month of use by RFTA. There are no plans to discontinue using the environmentally friendly fuel, but we are going to sample our fuel pretty regularly for the next month or two, Osier said. Agland officials really want biodiesel to work, he said. A letter from the company to Osier said Agland and RFTA share a common thread in our commitment to biomass fuels. They are good for our environment [and] American farmers, and reduce our dependence on petroleum imports. The letter notes that pioneering things of this nature are not easy and that Agland appreciates RFTA's commitment and patience. While it is not the path of least resistance, it is the course we need to pursue for our collective future, the letter says. Chad Abraham's e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re viruses at the list
My Macintosh doesn't delete them. Maybe if I tried to open them there would be a warning, but I never opened any attachment that did not come from someone I knew was sending one. Is there a Mac virus protection that automatically deletes attachments? I wouldn't want it to delete the ones I know are coming Thanks, Marilyn. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: I assumed that because they had attachments and you have said you never send attachments, they were viruses so I deleted them. This is a correct assumtion, isn't it? Marilyn Yes. Delete all attachments unread, don't try to open them. But your virus protection should be doing that for you,. shouldn't it? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD Advocacy Group in US
Mike, I've have read your posts with interest and, at times with amusement. I don't think that anyone who has followed your posts would question your integrity or your motivation for forming a biodiesel advocacy group. As for funding ... the advocacy sites I've been able to find, all solicit funding. Worthy organizations such as Greenpeace, Sierra Club and Amnesty International accept a fee for membership. Even JtF accepts donations, and I urgeeveryone to contribute. I thank Mike Weaver for sticking his neck out, and offering to organizea group to help keep us abreast of proposals/pending legislation that would effect BD brewers in the US. I would be willingto contribute to such a group. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] More about Bhopal
I've read some disgusting things before. I've seen some even more disgusting things. Helped clean them up, too. And I have rarely had a problem with my stomach churning nearly as much as it is now. That... apalling atrocity and the unforgiveable practices since then are just, just... Unforgiveable? Inexcusable? Atrocious and hellish? Damn English language is failing me at the moment. No word for how utterly disgusted reading that makes me. Makes me glad I don't use pesticides or heavy cleaners already. And leaves me wondering how long it's going to go on. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing AnyClothes
Thanks for the link Keith. I'm at least a few weeks away from recreational reading, but I'm interested and will take it in. Rad -- Original Message -- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:04:02 +0900 Hello Rad Have you read any more of Peter Montague's writings? There's a lot of it in the list archives if you don't feel like browsing Rachel's site. http://snipurl.com/khaj Search results for 'Rachel's' I think it addresses a lot of your (very good!) points. Actually there's a lot of other stuff there that does that too. Lots about risk management and precaution, eg, and even more about corporate predation. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Keith: The environmental problem is exactly as you describe, however it is a subset of the profit Vs health picture and is compounded by globalization. There are significant geographic alternatives for most manufacturers/ polluters. Cumulative pollution levels are not constrained by Geopolitical boundaries. Perversely manufacturers/ polluters could significantly increase their harmful contributions to global pollution by moving to a country with a more favorable regulatory environment and/or cheaper labour (growth Vs health/ human life). Reductions in either of these two input costs could result in increased productive output (with more pollution), under a competitive advantage justification (numbers). We see by numerous examples typified by todays coal miners, that a workforce educated to the health risks of a hazardous environment, can always be found. Rather than risk localized regional or super-regional economic decay, they will stay close to home and die early. Keeping polluters in this country allows a weak measure of control until the issue is raised again tomorrow. It ultimately results in more (Vs yesterday) toxins released on a daily basis, but less than an offshore move to a place where people cut the grass with hand shears and death is a great reward for having lived. Our lawmakers believe they are judges, knowing nothing until they are told. It allows them to claim impartiality. The profit side has successfully painted the green groups as environmental saboteurs (General Subutai: 1248). The environmentalists have ham-handled the overall reponse with ridiculous complexity that removes the common man (support) from the equation. It has allowed corporations to fight the fight in labs using bad science and it has confused and deafened the voting public. It is too late for idealistic solutions. If we dont show the lawmakers (old age vote buyers) how the Profit side can make money while they pass laws to protect the environment, (before they die of butter and scotch poisoning), well get nothing but formaldehyde in our bread. Rad -- Original Message -- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:06:19 +0900 http://rachel.org/ From: Rachel's Democracy Health News #831, Dec. 1, 2005 The Emperor Of Risk Assessment Isn't Wearing Any Clothes By Peter Montague snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
Greetings, Thank you for a wonderful post. I am fortunate that I found a country vet that treats my animals my way, and no vaccinations. [My cat is allergic to them.] My animals eat raw and have recovered from all their diseases and are now healthy. My vet actually learned from this and is recommending raw to patients he think will listen. I daily count my blessings. The question I have is about the theory of tuna and cats. The theory is that there is an excess amount of ash in tuna and that it can cause renal failure in middle aged cats. It is not suppose to make any difference if it was canned or fresh. Have you ever heard of this and is it true? My cats favorite food is tuna, so I am very worried. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:17 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote: I tend to lay low .. I'll talk theory with anyone but I rarely stand up and state that I DO THAT!! I'm a practitioner of many alternative healing modalities and work mostly on animals .. but the majority of modalities cross species lines easily (herbs can be iffy). If a modality works on animals and infants, you can be sure that it works because the placebo effect just doesn't work with them .. you can't convince a dog he's getting well with a sugar pill. Because of what I do, for protection, I became an ordained minister in a healing ministry about 10 years ago .. and I'm also on various other lists that deal in areas of my interests. If I have cancer, I will take herbs and smear that infamous black salve on my body .. but I know the ingredients, I can make it my self, but (it's easier) if I purchase it at cost from another group member. If I have an infection I will be taking CS Colloidal Silver (home made - low ppm - with only distilled water). I know when to mix it with DMSO or MSM and why. I also know that Urine (your own) works better and faster, both internally and externally for an extremely long, single spaced, double sided, list of conditions and dis-eases. I also believe it's better for me to run for my life if ever mandatory, forced vaccinations becomes law .. and they are working on that one. Right now the World Health Organization is walking into African villages with armed escorts and forcing the villages into lines for vaccinations .. this isn't some sort of talk of the crazies .. it's real. Over the years I have watched the powers that be in various positions of power, lobby effectively, and have laws passed that have closed down companies that make various herbal remedies .. .. and at present, the herbalist from the former Alpha and Omega, is serving 3 years in jail and has given up his right to ever work in his field again. Financial constraints limited his ability to fight against a unlimited budget for the prosecution. The interesting thing about Alpha and Omega, is their products worked and worked well and they never made any medical claim about their own products. They did publish pages after pages of personal testimonies from people who had used their products. .. also another interesting thing is that the site is still up, the testimonies are still there, the products are still being sold .. but they no longer work .. .. it is suspected by those of us who are paranoid that those who financed the legal action against Alpha and Omega have taken over the daily operations of the company and are preceding as before against the unsuspecting just to prove that it doesn't work. In my state, it is presently illegal for me to even touch a dog (even at the expressed wish of the owner) unless I am approved by a vet .. laws have been passed that give all the power over the health affairs of an animal to licensed veterinarians .. these include chiropractic, acupuncture, massage .. even Telepathic Animal Communication .. as if 99.9% vets even had a clue about that one. I no longer charge for what I do .. I charge for my time. Another healing practitioner and I have started an Animal Kinship ministry .. we meet once a month and our service includes a guest speaker followed by .. something .. a short prayer .. an animal blessing .. We also ask a donation at the door to cover any fee our speaker my require and to pay a small rent on our facility. We are now covered under a 501C (non-profit status) and are allowed to actually pay ourselves a salary .. although we haven't reached a level were our salary exceeds our gas and mileage. I absolutely never expected that I'd end up actually preaching but we have reached such a critical point that it seems to be the only way I won't ultimately end up in jail. Keith is doing it right by publishing exactly the what and how in making biodiesel .. he's not holding back information, he isn't making it to sell .. and although I'd think that he does, also I'm a late arrival to the list .. I'd have to check but I think less than a year .. I don't believe I've ever read that he does make his own. Pat is doing it right by publishing exactly what the ingredients are that go
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
The NBB does do some of this advocacy, although we all know it is basically a lobby for the soy industry. I'm more inclined to put my $100 into forming a co-operative association. It seems more practical and hands-on. It provides very real protection, as an incorporation, yet offers an alternative to the prevalent 'profit-at-all-costs' corporate directive. It also offers the opportunity to get to know other biodieselers in your area. Nevertheless, I'm all for a 'grassroots'-minded group. Isn't that what we are already? Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] jatropha curcas
Hi Keith It seems as if you don't think it is a good idea to use Jatropha as a source to produce bio diesel from? When I originally posed the question I only received a few messages and none of them was negative. Maybe I missed something! As I originally explained we know nothing about producing bio diesel and that is whywe posted our original questions and gave a brief explanation why we though it would be best to use jatropha. We have literally read every article we can find about producing bio diesel and to date have not found in our opinion any crop better suited for us to produce bio diesel from, as a matter fact it seems from what we have read that jatropha is the number one choice world wide to produce bio diesel from. You obviously have a lot of experience knowledge regarding producing bio diesel as well as what to use to do so. Therefore If you believe jatropha is not the way to go it would be greatly appreciated if you would sayso why you think so, because as I have said before we are asking foradvice and if youhave reasonsto believethat jatropha is unsuitable I would like to know about themso as to enable us to make a fully enlightened decision. Kind regards. Isabel. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Free Range Birds and Avian Flu
Keith Addison wrote: Helklo David I think you don't know much about organics, eh? Not as much as you or others on this list. More than most though. Try this: An Agricultural Testament by Sir Albert Howard, Oxford University Press, 1940. 11. The Retreat of the Crop and the Animal before the Parasite Humus and Disease Resistance The Mycorrhizal Association and Disease The Investigations of Tomorrow http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/AT11.html 12. Soil Fertility and National Health http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/AT12.html There's a lot more in the Small FarmsLibrary - the Cheshire Testament, Sir Robert McCarrison, G.T. Wrench... All worth a good read. The disease isn't the problem, the susceptibility is. So is it your contention that the asian areas where the new pathogens develop not organic? I can't say that I know for sure, but everything I read describes them as far closer to organic than to the animal factories we have around here in the US. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Greetings, So does JTF, I have given money to them. There is a difference between a voluntary donation and a manditory charge to be a member. I do support many of the organizations that I work with but when I choose to. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:16 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote: Moveon.org also solicits funding. My family has given them money. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on children, forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal raw milk, due to such campaignes. Move on is an organization that gets the people out to write to congress and it is working. When enough people write letters, the congressmen get worried about re-election. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Kim, You wrote: I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Has bombarding Washington w. postcards been an effective way of steering national policy in a direction you are comfortable with? Tom - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? -Mike Doug Turner wrote: Hi Mike, Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound to be a cult classic. Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Nah, when it comes it'll be from two directions: The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by Big Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and trumpet it all over the place. The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we could stand, divided we'll fall. When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver Joe Street wrote: I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone
Re: [Biofuel] More about Bhopal
Dear Kurt; I'm with you on the Bhopal atrocity -- and immediately sent it on to everyone i know, including truthout.org (an investigative story there could reach many millions). The saddest part of it is just how clearly it shows the absolute amorality and subsequent immorality of the global corporatohypocrisy that rules strictly from the bottom line. Exactly why (since there are so many equally ghastly stories constantly surfacing) we need to take back control of our lives, and fight like hell to change the way hte world operates! I'd offer a bromide for your gut if i knew of one that might work (and that hasn't been compromised by Big Pharma). Allen --- Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read some disgusting things before. I've seen some even more disgusting things. Helped clean them up, too. And I have rarely had a problem with my stomach churning nearly as much as it is now. That... apalling atrocity and the unforgiveable practices since then are just, just... Unforgiveable? Inexcusable? Atrocious and hellish? Damn English language is failing me at the moment. No word for how utterly disgusted reading that makes me. Makes me glad I don't use pesticides or heavy cleaners already. And leaves me wondering how long it's going to go on. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Adding SVO to petro diesel (lubricity issue)
I wonder if someone on this forum could help me? I have no biodiesel options around my home, and I'm concerned that running the lower sulphur petroleum diesel fuel will damage my injection pump. I'd like to add some SVO into the petro diesel to add lubricity to the fuel, and I'm wondering if someone on here could tell me the optimal percentages? I'd like to add enough to give substantial protection to the pump and injectors. Also, is any particular kind of SVO better for this purpose than another type? thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
Garth Kim Travis wrote: The question I have is about the theory of tuna and cats. The theory is that there is an excess amount of ash in tuna and that it can cause renal failure in middle aged cats. It is not suppose to make any difference if it was canned or fresh. Have you ever heard of this and is it true? My cats favorite food is tuna, so I am very worried. I feed my cats Science Diet. Before getting the two I now own, my last kitty, a faithful and affectionate companion for her whole life, lived 16 years. She was an outdoor cat who tangled with rattlesnakes, raccoons and poisoned mice! The two I have now are very young, but they thrive on this kind of commercial cat food. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Your Tax dollars at work
Sheesh, Ok jokes on me, (giggle) goodness sakes if it didn't just sound so much like what Rush or Rove or one of those Preachers for hire would say though. Should have read the whole thread closer. Well any way Merry X-mas Mike. Jim Mike Weaver wrote: It's not true; I made it up as an example of what we can expect instead of any sort or reasoned debate about the actual problems facing the US. It's a hoax. -Mike JJJN wrote: LIBERAL PLAN TO REMOVE THE CHRIST FROM CHRISTMAS AND MAKE IT X-MAS. My fellow American, I have learned today that the Liberals in Congress are secretly plotting to take Jesus, the Christ, out of Christmas and change the holiday's name to X-mas. As we all know, X is simply shorthand for X-rated, and if these godless secular humanist liberals aren't stopped, soon the birthday of Christ will become a sex-drenched extragaganza. Your children will subjected to topless elves, video sex toys and a parade of naked X-mas characters. ONLY YOU CAN STOP THIS ATTACK ON JESUS. YOU MUST DONATE TO THE KEEP THE CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS PAC SO WE CAN SPREAD THE WORD. EVEN MORE IMPORTANLY, YOU MUST SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICAN IN THE UPCOMING PRIMARIES. God bless, Karl Rove Ok , Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I was away for awhile. This is just s wrong I gotta get my 2 cents in. 1) X-mas is short hand, X= Cross = Christ + mas = Christmas I remember it being written this way before the word liberal was used to describe a strong Democrat or opposite of Conservative. 2) Just when was Christ ever in Christmas anyway? The holiday was created by Catholics to convert large groups of Pagans to catholics by taking Pagan traditions and celebrations and calling them Christs Mass. They created a PHONY birthday for Christ so it would coincide (just after) with the winter solstice wherein these Pagan traditions revolved. The whole deal is more Catholics meant more Money in the church and more power to convert more Catholics. Rove is using this same ages old tactic to create more REPULICHRISTIANS whereby more money whereby more power to... - (this part scares me) I don't care if you are Catholic and love your holiday or if you are anything else and love the holiday - the point is the religious right thinks that they have a God given agenda to stomp on anyone that disagrees on them and their agenda. The sad part is, if Christ came back and didn't agree with them he might get put on the cross again. In summary religion is a bigger business than oil. Sorry I digress Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] jatropha curcas
Hi Isabel I heard today that castor beans are an excellent source of biodiesel. Does anyone know if this is true? Marilyn Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Note: Forwarded Email Message Below: Hi Keith It seems as if you don't think it is a good idea to use Jatropha as a source to produce bio diesel from? When I originally posed the question I only received a few messages and none of them was negative. Maybe I missed something! As I originally explained we know nothing about producing bio diesel and that is why we posted our original questions and gave a brief explanation why we though it would be best to use jatropha. We have literally read every article we can find about producing bio diesel and to date have not found in our opinion any crop better suited for us to produce bio diesel from, as a matter fact it seems from what we have read that jatropha is the number one choice world wide to produce bio diesel from. You obviously have a lot of experience knowledge regarding producing bio diesel as well as what to use to do so. Therefore If you believe jatropha is not the way to go it would be greatly appreciated if you would say so why you think so, because as I have said before we are asking for advice and if you have reasons to believe that jatropha is unsuitable I would like to know about them so as to enable us to make a fully enlightened decision. Kind regards. Isabel. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] fear of an informed public
The following was sent to me and seemed relevant to recent discussions on this list about efforts to control the dissemination of news and information. Marilyn Dear Friend: A host of recent developments have made it clear that the Bush White House is doing battle with the journalistic standards and practices that underpin our democracy. With its unprecedented campaign to undermine and stifle independent journalism, Bush Co. have demonstrated brazen contempt for the Constitution and considerable fear of an informed public. Free Press has launched a campaign at http://www.freepress.net/presswar to chronicle and combat Bush's war on the press. Today, we published a new report showing the scope and intensity of the administration's assault on press freedoms. The growing list of attacks on the press is truly astonishing: 1. Infiltrating Public Broadcasting White House loyalists inside the Corporation for Public Broadcasting have launched a crusade to remake PBS, NPR and other public media into official mouthpieces. Kenneth Tomlinson's tenure at the CPB was characterized by targeting journalists like Bill Moyers who dared to air dissenting voices or prepare investigative reports on the administration. Tomlinson's goal was clearly to fire a shot across the bow of all public stations so managers would shy away from the sort of investigative journalism that might expose Bush administration malfeasance. Tomlinson resigned in disgrace but left behind a cast of cronies to carry out his partisan crusade. And we still don't know the extent to which Karl Rove and others at the White House orchestrated his efforts. 2. Manufacturing Fake News Under Bush administration directives, at least 20 federal agencies have produced and distributed scores of video news releases out of a $254 million slush fund set up to manufacture taxpayer-funded propaganda. These bogus and deceptive stories have been broadcast on TV stations nationwide without any acknowledgment that they were prepared by the government rather than local journalists. The segments - which trumpeted administration successes, promoted its controversial line on issues like overhauling Medicare, and featured Americans thanking Bush - have been repeatedly labeled covert propaganda by investigators at the Government Accountability Office. 3. Bribing Journalists The administration has paid pundits to sing its praises. Earlier this year, TV commentator Armstrong Williams pocketed $240,000 in taxpayer money to laud Bush's education policies. Three other journalists have since been discovered on the government dole; and Williams admits that he has no doubt that other paid Bush shills are still on the loose. The administration has even exported these tactics. According to the Los Angeles Times, the U.S. military is now secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops. 4. Lying about the Iraq War The White House saw the battle for domestic popular opinion as one of the main fronts in the war in Iraq. With the help of a compliant media, truth became the first casualty in their campaign to whip up support. But rather than admit to their lies and misinformation, the administration continues to attack those reporting the truth. As Frank Rich recently wrote in the New York Times, the administration's web of half-truths and falsehoods used to sell the war did not happen by accident; it was woven by design and then foisted on the public by a P.R. operation built expressly for that purpose in the White House. 5. Eliminating Dissent in the Mainstream Media Bush has all but avoided traditional press conferences, closing down a prime venue for holding the executive accountable. On those rare occasions when he deigned to meet reporters, presidential aides turned the press conferences into parodies by seating a friendly right-wing journalist, former male escort Jeff Gannon, amid the reporters and then steering questions to him when tough issues arose. They have effectively silenced serious questioners, like veteran journalist Helen Thomas, by refusing to have the president or his aides call on reporters who challenge them. And they have established a hierarchy for journalists seeking interviews with administration officials, which favors networks that give the White House favorable coverage. 6. Gutting the Freedom of Information Act The administration has scrapped enforcement of the Freedom of Information Act and has made it harder for reporters to do their jobs by refusing to cooperate with even the most basic requests for comment and data from government agencies. This is part of a broader clampdown on access to information that has made it virtually impossible for journalists to cover vast areas of government activity. 7. Consolidating Media Control The administration continues to make common cause with the most powerful broadcast corporations in an effort to rewrite ownership
Re: [Biofuel] Adding SVO to petro diesel (lubricity issue)
Hello Dana, you will have full lubricity properties if adding 5% of SVO or BD to the diesel oil. But, BD is preferrable due to the coking properties of the SVO. I would suggest a BD with a high content of olelic acid e.g. from canola ,soybean or sunflower oil. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Dana Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Adding SVO to petro diesel (lubricity issue) I wonder if someone on this forum could help me? I have no biodiesel options around my home, and I'm concerned that running the lower sulphur petroleum diesel fuel will damage my injection pump. I'd like to add some SVO into the petro diesel to add lubricity to the fuel, and I'm wondering if someone on here could tell me the optimal percentages? I'd like to add enough to give substantial protection to the pump and injectors. Also, is any particular kind of SVO better for this purpose than another type? thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
