Moveon.org also solicits funding. My family has given them money. Garth & Kim Travis wrote:
>Greetings, >If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on children, >forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal >raw milk, due to such campaignes. Move on is an organization that gets the >people out to write to congress and it is working. When enough >people write letters, the congressmen get worried about re-election. >Bright Blessings, >Kim > >At 11:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: > > >>Kim, >> You wrote: >> I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be >>a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership >>is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with." >> >> Has bombarding Washington w. postcards been an effective way of >>steering national policy in a direction you are comfortable with? >> Tom >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? >> >> >> >> >>>Greetings, >>>I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a >>>member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership >>>is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something >>>as >>>simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, >>>will >>>work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage >>>and >>>starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the >>>money for? >>>Bright Blessings, >>>Kim >>> >>>At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>>All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an >>>>advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly >>>>would anyone pay to be a member? >>>> >>>>-Mike >>>> >>>>Doug Turner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi Mike, >>>>> >>>>> Just waiting for the movie, "Attack of the Grease People." It's >>>>>bound >>>>>to be a cult classic. >>>>> >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Nah, >>>>>> >>>>>>when it comes it'll be from two directions: >>>>>> >>>>>>The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start >>>>>>feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that >>>>>>declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will >>>>>>require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average >>>>>>home-brewer >>>>>>can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get >>>>>>the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by >>>>>>Big >>>>>>Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. >>>>>> >>>>>>Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD >>>>>>and >>>>>>trumpet it all over the place. >>>>>> >>>>>>The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now >>>>>>and >>>>>>set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of >>>>>>it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we >>>>>>could stand, divided we'll fall. >>>>>> >>>>>>"When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel" >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike "been living in Washington DC for too long" Weaver >>>>>> >>>>>>Joe Street wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the >>>>>>>winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some >>>>>>>point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or >>>>>>>prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there >>>>>>>are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around >>>>>>>the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account >>>>>>>for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this >>>>>>>point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and >>>>>>>effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just >>>>>>>disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy >>>>>>>suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental >>>>>>>ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because >>>>>>>in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research >>>>>>>into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research >>>>>>>vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue >>>>>>>is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this >>>>>>>potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort >>>>>>>of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research >>>>>>>vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles >>>>>>>thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else >>>>>>>registered on the site as well. >>>>>>>Comments? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>David Miller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Joe Street wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is >>>>>>>>>dyed. >>>>>>>>>So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using >>>>>>>>>taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which >>>>>>>>>could >>>>>>>>>be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all. Diesel >>>>>>>>car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet >>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested. I >>>>>>>>know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the >>>>>>>>dye) >>>>>>>>in their cars without concern. I don't do it because to it's not >>>>>>>>worth >>>>>>>>saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car. It's nice to know >>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>have the reserve though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough >>>>>>>>money >>>>>>>>in a long time to make it worthwhile financially. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Joe >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>David Miller wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Joe Street wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Why not just add some of the dye yourself ......doh! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel >>>>>>>>>>(HHO, >>>>>>>>>>K1), not in the stuff that's taxed. 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