Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Michael Redler]

Whoa! What the hell happened? I leave yooz guyzfor a little while and the thread spirals out of control...!!MikeDoug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Keith:Why would anyone want to do that to a ferret, or perhaps severalferrats. They are just cute and cuddly little ankle biters that smell bad.I bet they would smell worse when squashed.Doug- Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:57 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!   The only thing I had on ebay was my invention "device for pushing cooked spaghetti up a wild cat's ass and method.   May I ask the reason for this device
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Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

[Keith Addison]

Hello Joe

Pardon the snip...

snip

I found that my success depended a lot on how careful I was with the 
titration step.  Also I found that when the 0.1% base solution was 
added there was a tendancy for some oil to drop out and I think this 
affected my accuracy.  I built a stirrer to keep the liquid in the 
test tube very well agitated during the titration and this helped a 
lot as I could tell by the consistency when I repeated the titration 
several times. If you want a description of how to make a very low 
cost titration kit check my website 
at http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Titrator.html

I'm sure it works well, but what puzzles me, and puzzled me when you 
first discussed this, is the test tube. Before you made your kit you 
were shaking it to agitate it, no? I suppose there's not much else 
you can do if you're using a test tube. Why not use something that's 
shaped right so you can stir it properly? If you don't have a 
suitable beaker an ordinary glass tumbler will do. We get a bit 
fancy, we use fine crystal glasses, rescued along with much else from 
Tokyo's gomi (rubbish) on its way to Tokyo Bay. They're about 1.5 
wide at the bottom and about 4 tall, strong but thin glass so it 
warms up quickly when you stand it in hot water, and with a thick 
bottom so it retains the heat well. Easy to stir with a chopstick, no 
problem at all, no need for anything complicated.

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[DHAWA PESCAS, LDA]

Hi guys

An easy way to prove the date of your idea is to put together several sets 
of plans of your invention, seal them well and register mail three or four 
sets to yourself and a couple to your lawyer, obviously with instructions to 
him not to open his envelopes until needed. That way you have a sealed 
envelope with a date stamp on it. If at any time you do need to prove it was 
your idea, you can open the envelope in court.

Regards

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Re: [Biofuel] fryolator cleaner contamination?

[james demer]

Thanks All, It sounds like I need to find out how he is using this stuff, and how much is getting in the oil.

JamesOn 1/4/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Boil Out is what the product is generally called. It's a packet ofsodium hydroxide that is mixed with hot water and cycled throught thefryer. If placed in the same container as the veg oil it will tend to
interact at the interface and create soap. If allowed to set with theoil too long it turns into a really nice mess.The cure is to separate the sodium hydroxide laden water from the oil,rinse the oil and/or treat it with phosphoric acid (qunatity can vary)
to return the soaps to FFAs. This will increase the overall FFA percentin the feedstock, probably making it a candidate unsuitable for straightbase processing, leaving acid/base as the only viable alternative.
Nasty stuff. Straight from Hades as far as biodieselers are generallyconcerned.Todd Swearingenjames demer wrote: Hi All, A local restaurant has offered to give me its used oil but the manager
 warned me that they clean the fryers with a cleaner. I think he he said it is sodium hydroxide (?). I'm not sure. My question to you all is, will a fryolator cleaner contaminate my oil and cause problems
 with my biodiesel? I intend to try a small batch before I commit to putting a container at his rest. and having him cut his current grease collector loose. Thanks, James
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Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[james demer]

Check out this news group:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/

It is all about heating w/ biod. and it is packed full of good info.

james demer

On 1/4/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Doug,

 Nice to meet you and all of the other people on the
 list. Canada, huh... I am thinking that it is really
 cold, I guess depending on where you live. I have a
 friend that used to live in Montreal a couple of years
 ago and they had a real nasty streak of -35F...Brrr.

 Well I am thinking that I can get a oil fired furnace
 that can use BD and save a lot of money. Natural gas
 here in Minnesota is sky high!!! And that is with a
 really mild winter so far.

 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat.

 Ya I have read that and a lot of the site so far. I
 still need to drill down on some of the links
 though Great Info!

 There is a BD coop that will deliver waste oil for
 1.00 a gallon, so I was hoping that I could get by
 with 150 gallons for the winter, maybe not, but it
 still is a not nearly what I am pay for a month now.
 So with a furnance that needs to go next year, I
 thought I would do some research and make the pludge
 along with a oil fired water heater as well.

 Other than the eating ruber thing, I wouldn't think
 there is much difference that regular home heating
 oil, but I might be wrong.

 Dave

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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Mike Weaver]

It improves their mood

Doug Turner wrote:

Keith:

Why would anyone want to do that to a ferret, or perhaps several
ferrats.  They are just cute and cuddly little ankle biters that smell bad.
I bet they would smell worse when squashed.

Doug


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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!


  

The only thing I had on ebay was my invention device for pushing


cooked spaghetti up a wild cat's ass and method. 

May I ask the reason for this device and can it be modified to work
on ferrets.   Chris.
  

How would spaghettied ferret differ from unspaghettied ferret? Anyway
we haven't got any spaghetti, would a spaghetti squash work?

Keith




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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Mike Weaver]

Oh, act all innocent *now*

Michael Redler wrote:

 Whoa! What the hell happened? I leave yooz guyz for a little while and 
 the thread spirals out of control...!!
  
 Mike

 */Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Keith:

 Why would anyone want to do that to a ferret, or perhaps several
 ferrats. They are just cute and cuddly little ankle biters that
 smell bad.
 I bet they would smell worse when squashed.

 Doug


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 From: Keith Addison
 To:
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!


The only thing I had on ebay was my invention device for
 pushing
  cooked spaghetti up a wild cat's ass and method. 
  
  May I ask the reason for this device and can it be modified to work
  on ferrets. Chris.
 
  How would spaghettied ferret differ from unspaghettied ferret?
 Anyway
  we haven't got any spaghetti, would a spaghetti squash work?
 
  Keith
 



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Re: [Biofuel] Is Washington Planning a Military Strike on Iran?

[Hakan Falk]

Sometimes I wonder why they add in things that might had happened, but did not.

At 07:56 05/01/2006, you wrote:
snip
-- as evidenced by Erdogan's recent phone call to Ariel Sharon,
congratulating the prime minister on his recent recovery from heart
surgery.

We now know that Sharon never underwent a heart surgery, it was 
scheduled, but could not be done because of his massive stroke. He 
did however recover from a minor stroke earlier, but heart surgery?

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Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[David Marquis]

Thanks for the pointer!

Dave

--- james demer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Check out this news group: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/
 
 It is all about heating w/ biod. and it is packed
 full of good info.
 
 james demer
 
 On 1/4/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Hello Doug,
 
  Nice to meet you and all of the other people on
 the
  list. Canada, huh... I am thinking that it is
 really
  cold, I guess depending on where you live. I have
 a
  friend that used to live in Montreal a couple of
 years
  ago and they had a real nasty streak of
 -35F...Brrr.
 
  Well I am thinking that I can get a oil fired
 furnace
  that can use BD and save a lot of money. Natural
 gas
  here in Minnesota is sky high!!! And that is with
 a
  really mild winter so far.
 
 

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat.
 
  Ya I have read that and a lot of the site so far.
 I
  still need to drill down on some of the links
  though Great Info!
 
  There is a BD coop that will deliver waste oil for
  1.00 a gallon, so I was hoping that I could get by
  with 150 gallons for the winter, maybe not, but it
  still is a not nearly what I am pay for a month
 now.
  So with a furnance that needs to go next year, I
  thought I would do some research and make the
 pludge
  along with a oil fired water heater as well.
 
  Other than the eating ruber thing, I wouldn't
 think
  there is much difference that regular home heating
  oil, but I might be wrong.
 
  Dave
 
  Please check out my new web page at
 http://www.japanish.org Just cut and paste into your
 web browser.
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[bedros]

Hi Jed,

The method you just described seems plausible but have you have any
experience of or known anybody to have actually done it?

Ross

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Hi guys

An easy way to prove the date of your idea is to put together several sets
of plans of your invention, seal them well and register mail three or four
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Regards

Jed


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Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Greg and April]

IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


Greg H.


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Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
benefit low-income people.
Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
shortfalls.

In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
discount offer.

In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
passengers paying cash.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
majority of the time.

Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
transportation.

I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
I already see no money at the end of the month.

The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor
programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three
nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of
heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will
amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households
slated to benefit from the plan.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. -- 
Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens
Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million
gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10
million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the
program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring
the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine,
Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

However, in all of Illinois, only about 12,000 households use heating oil.

So instead of fuel for heat, Citgo representatives offered the CTA a
40-50 percent discount on diesel fuel for buses to benefit Chicagoans
most in need of relief from soaring oil and gas prices this winter.

We didn't know how else to reach enough people, said Consul Sanchez.

Another difference between the Chicago offer and the programs enacted
in the Northeast is that Citgo proposed to work with a government
agency, rather than nonprofit organizations. The CTA relies on the US
federal government - which is in a constant war of words with
Venezuelan President Chavez - for much of its funding. In fact, just
weeks after Citgo made its offer to the CTA, Congress signed the
Federal Transportation Appropriations bill, allocating $89 million in
infrastructure project funds the CTA had been seeking for years.

Representatives from the US State Department and city officials,
including Aldermen involved in 

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Michael Redler]

Although I've never done it, I heard of it being done by others. My attitude is that redundancy is (in this situation) a good thing. Mail to yourself and your attorney, notarize as much as possible, get as many signatures as possible from those with skill in the art (who you also trust), etc, etc.If I have an idea that I think has potential, I write a disclosure and get three witnesses to sign it....my $.02Mikebedros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Jed,The method you just described seems plausible but have you have anyexperience of or known anybody to have actually done it?Ross-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DHAWA
 PESCAS, LDASent: 01 January 2006 14:59To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!Hi guysAn easy way to prove the date of your idea is to put together several setsof plans of your invention, seal them well and register mail three or foursets to yourself and a couple to your lawyer, obviously with instructions tohim not to open his envelopes until needed. That way you have a sealedenvelope with a date stamp on it. If at any time you do need to prove it wasyour idea, you can open the envelope in court.RegardsJed___
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[Biofuel] Antiwar hero trial date set

[Joe Street]

I read that Flt. Lt. Malcom Kendal Smith's court martial is set for the 
ides of March.  Interesting choice of dates!  I hope that is a good omen.

Story here:  http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article331782.ece

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Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Hakan Falk]

This is a delivery agreement with a US company 
Citgo owned by Venezuela and a US city, regarding 
deliveries of discounted energy. I fail to see what might be illegal.

Hakan


At 16:17 05/01/2006, you wrote:
IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


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Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
benefit low-income people.
Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
shortfalls.

In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
discount offer.

In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
passengers paying cash.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
majority of the time.

Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
transportation.

I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
I already see no money at the end of the month.

The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor
programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three
nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of
heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will
amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households
slated to benefit from the plan.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. --
Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens
Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million
gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10
million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the
program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring
the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine,
Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

However, in all of Illinois, only about 12,000 households use heating oil.

So instead of fuel for heat, Citgo representatives offered the CTA a
40-50 percent discount on diesel fuel for buses to benefit Chicagoans
most in need of relief from soaring oil and gas prices this winter.

We didn't know how else to reach enough people, said Consul Sanchez.

Another difference between the Chicago offer and the programs enacted
in the Northeast is that Citgo proposed to work with a government
agency, rather than nonprofit organizations. The CTA relies on the US
federal government - which is in a constant war of words with
Venezuelan President Chavez - for much of its funding. In fact, just
weeks after Citgo made its offer to the CTA, Congress signed the
Federal Transportation 

Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Marty Phee]

Very true, but wouldn't they be signing a contract with Citgo and not 
Venezuela.



Greg and April wrote:
 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
 foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


 Greg H.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


 http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

 by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

 As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
 fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
 benefit low-income people.
 Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
 opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
 the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
 deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
 Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
 shortfalls.

 In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
 Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
 officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
 diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
 President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
 on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

 But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
 CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
 to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

 According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
 the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
 discount offer.

 In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
 want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
 addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
 offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
 and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
 passengers paying cash.

 This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
 said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
 residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
 currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
 to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
 daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
 to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
 majority of the time.

 Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
 Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
 transportation.

 I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
 bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
 17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
 and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
 I already see no money at the end of the month.

 The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
 Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor
 programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three
 nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of
 heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will
 amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households
 slated to benefit from the plan.

 This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. -- 
 Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens
 Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million
 gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10
 million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the
 program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring
 the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine,
 Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

 However, in all of Illinois, only about 12,000 households use heating oil.

 So instead of fuel for heat, Citgo representatives offered the CTA a
 40-50 percent discount on diesel fuel for buses to benefit Chicagoans
 most in need of relief from soaring oil and gas prices this winter.

 We didn't know how else to reach enough people, said Consul Sanchez.

 Another difference between the Chicago offer and the programs enacted
 in the Northeast is that Citgo proposed to work with a government
 agency, rather than nonprofit organizations. The CTA relies on the US
 federal government - which is in a constant war of words with
 Venezuelan President Chavez - for much of its funding. In fact, just
 weeks after Citgo made its offer to the CTA, Congress signed the
 Federal Transportation Appropriations bill, 

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

[Joe Street]

Hi Keith;

Best wishes for the new year and thanks for your tireless (seemingly)
effort around here.
I hope it doesn't look like I am implying a good titration can't be
done without going to this length. That is not the case. I just wanted
to share the idea incase anyone else wanted to give it a whirl. Yes I
know it looks too elaborate, but it really was quite simple to put
together and was done in less than a day. In the beginning, I started
out with 2 ml oil and 20 ml IPA in a 50 ml beaker standing in a small
wide mouth mason jar of hot water, stirring with a popsicle stick in
between dribbling the titrating solution. I'm sure I could have
continued with this. I did find it was a little inconsistent but
mostly I found it too fiddley. I'm just clumsy I guess but I'm glad I
put the (small relative to the rest of the project) effort into my
little kit. Now I have both hands free and can dribble the solution
smoothly without interruption just watching for the indicator to go
off, and get very repeatable results which didn't used to be the case
before. Probably my technique I guess (I'm less dangerous with a
soldering iron than a pipette) and as you were saying in a recent post
about building experience, I might have got it down to a routine and
worked the variability out of it given enough time, but this way I made
my life easier by fixing two of the variables; the heat is always
consistent, as the agitation is, and besides, it helps keep me from
making a mess :)

Joe



Keith Addison wrote:

  Hello Joe

Pardon the snip...

snip

  
  
I found that my success depended a lot on how careful I was with the 
titration step.  Also I found that when the 0.1% base solution was 
added there was a tendancy for some oil to drop out and I think this 
affected my accuracy.  I built a stirrer to keep the liquid in the 
test tube very well agitated during the titration and this helped a 
lot as I could tell by the consistency when I repeated the titration 
several times. If you want a description of how to make a very low 
cost titration kit check my website 
at http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Titrator.html

  
  
I'm sure it works well, but what puzzles me, and puzzled me when you 
first discussed this, is the test tube. Before you made your kit you 
were shaking it to agitate it, no? I suppose there's not much else 
you can do if you're using a test tube. Why not use something that's 
shaped right so you can stir it properly? If you don't have a 
suitable beaker an ordinary glass tumbler will do. We get a bit 
fancy, we use fine crystal glasses, rescued along with much else from 
Tokyo's "gomi" (rubbish) on its way to Tokyo Bay. They're about 1.5" 
wide at the bottom and about 4" tall, strong but thin glass so it 
warms up quickly when you stand it in hot water, and with a thick 
bottom so it retains the heat well. Easy to stir with a chopstick, no 
problem at all, no need for anything complicated.

Best

Keith


snip

 


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[Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[AEN]

Hello,
The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through citgo,
the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S.   It is not a 
situation
 of  making treaties with foreign nations,  so it should not be considered as 
such
You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel 
costs do you?.
 Even after the record profits that they have raked in
last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain 
offered the same deal, it would
most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to 
accept oil from an alleged
oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence of 
Citgo but they 
regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as 
well. Might be something
U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS.

OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their own 
reasons
mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter or 
obtain
discount transport.

regards
tallex



  ---Original Message---
  From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil




  Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17
  
  IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
  foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.
  
  
  Greg H.
  



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  - Original Message -
  From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
  Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
  
  
  http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710
  
  Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
  
  by Jessica Pupovac (bio)
  
  As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
  fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
  benefit low-income people.
  Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
  opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
  the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
  deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
  Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
  shortfalls.
  
  In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
  Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
  officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
  diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
  President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
  on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.
  
  But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
  CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
  to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.
  
  According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
  the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
  discount offer.
  
  In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
  want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
  addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
  offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
  and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
  passengers paying cash.
  
  This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
  said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
  residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
  currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
  to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
  daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
  to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
  majority of the time.
  
  Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
  Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
  transportation.
  
  I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
  bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
  17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
  and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
  I already see no money at the end of the month.
  
  The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
  Thanksgiving holiday, the first of 

Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Mike Weaver]

Not to mention, there is a Citgo station at the Pentagon.  I buy B20 
there sometimes.

AEN wrote:

Hello,
The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through citgo,
the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S.   It is not a 
situation
 of  making treaties with foreign nations,  so it should not be considered 
 as such
You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel 
costs do you?.
 Even after the record profits that they have raked in
last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain 
offered the same deal, it would
most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to 
accept oil from an alleged
oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence 
of Citgo but they 
regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as 
well. Might be something
U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS.

OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their 
own reasons
mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter 
or obtain
discount transport.

regards
tallex



  

 ---Original Message---
 From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil






  

 Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17
 
 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
 foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.
 
 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
 
 
 http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710
 
 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
 
 by Jessica Pupovac (bio)
 
 As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
 fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
 benefit low-income people.
 Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
 opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
 the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
 deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
 Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
 shortfalls.
 
 In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
 Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
 officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
 diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
 President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
 on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.
 
 But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
 CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
 to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.
 
 According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
 the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
 discount offer.
 
 In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
 want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
 addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
 offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
 and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
 passengers paying cash.
 
 This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
 said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
 residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
 currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
 to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
 daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
 to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
 majority of the time.
 
 Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
 Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
 transportation.
 
 I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
 bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
 17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
 and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
 I already see no money at the end of the month.
 
 The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. 

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Mike Weaver]

NOW will you stop mailing me all these envelopes?

Michael Redler wrote:

 Although I've never done it, I heard of it being done by others. My 
 attitude is that redundancy is (in this situation) a good thing. Mail 
 to yourself and your attorney, notarize as much as possible, get as 
 many signatures as possible from those with skill in the art (who you 
 also trust), etc, etc.
  
 If I have an idea that I think has potential, I write a disclosure and 
 get three witnesses to sign it.
  
 ...my $.02
  
 Mike

 */bedros [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Hi Jed,

 The method you just described seems plausible but have you have any
 experience of or known anybody to have actually done it?

 Ross

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DHAWA
 PESCAS, LDA
 Sent: 01 January 2006 14:59
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!


 Hi guys

 An easy way to prove the date of your idea is to put together
 several sets
 of plans of your invention, seal them well and register mail three
 or four
 sets to yourself and a couple to your lawyer, obviously with
 instructions to
 him not to open his envelopes until needed. That way you have a sealed
 envelope with a date stamp on it. If at any time you do need to
 prove it was
 your idea, you can open the envelope in court.

 Regards

 Jed



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[Biofuel] NPR on BioDiesel

[Mike Weaver]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5081558

Health  Science


  Popularity of Biodiesel Grows Amid High Gas Prices

Listen to this story... javascript:getMedia('ATC', '03-Jan-2006', '16', 
'RM,WM'); by Eric Mack  

/All Things Considered 
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2, /January 3, 
2006 · Biodiesel consumption is up across the country. High gas prices 
have made what was once seen as an expensive and wacky alternative not 
only economical but a respectable mainstream fuel. Eric Mack reports 
from New Mexico.



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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[Michael Redler]

Send them back and DON'T OPEN THEM!:-)  Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  NOW will you stop mailing me all these envelopes?Michael Redler wrote: Although I've never done it, I heard of it being done by others. My  attitude is that redundancy is (in this situation) a good thing. Mail  to yourself and your attorney, notarize as much as possible, get as  many signatures as possible from those with skill in the art (who you  also trust), etc, etc.  If I have an idea that I think has potential, I write a disclosure and  get three witnesses to sign it.  ...my $.02___
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Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[Doug Turner]

Hi Dave:

I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the western end of Lake Ontario
and about the same latitude as Rome.  Last year, which was somewhat colder
than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of #2 Fuel Oil to heat our
house at a cost of $1,400 CND.
You should probably talk to a fuel oil distributor to get an idea of
what the average usage in Minnesota will be.  I suspect that average usage
in your area will be somewhat higher then it is here.  You live further
north than I do and I suspect that you also have a more continental climate.
But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of things that can impact
your fuel usage.  For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat set
at a fairly low (at least according to our friends) 17 degrees C.

Hope this helps,

Doug Turner

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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question


Hello Doug,

I guess I am in luck. I was looking at the wilsons
link you sent and they recommend the Kerr furnances
and boilers for BD. I looked at the Kerr link from
Wilsons and they have a distributor in Duluth
Minnesota

How much oil do you think I need for the winter
months?

Dave

--- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi David:

There is some information on using BD as home
 heating fuel on the JtF
 site, for example,

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat.
  Here in Canada
 there is a company called Wilson's Fuels,
 http://www.wilsons.ca/home_heat/biofuel.html in Nova
 Scotia that is selling
 B20 home heating oil and they are using waste fish
 oil as their feedstock.
 According to Wilson's website, both B20 and B100 can
 be used as home heating
 oil provided your oil storage tank is indoors.  I'm
 waiting to hear from my
 furnace manufacturer before putting any BD in my oil
 tank.
 Anyway, Irving Oil is also a Canadian company.
 It dominates the markets
 in the Maritimes but I suspect that they don't have
 any operations in
 Minnesota.

 Good luck with your search and please share your
 findings,

 Doug Turner

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 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question


  Hello All,
 
  I thought I should introduce myself and start a
  conversation in the process.
 
  I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to
 the
  fossil fuels. I believe that with all the
 technology
  that man posses that it is a shame that we can't,
 or
  maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel
  efficient means of transportation.
 
  That being said, I drive a small Suzuki car and in
 the
  non-icey road months I ride a vespa. I am looking
 into
  getting an older diesel car/van/truck that can be
 run
  off of Biodiesel.
 
  I currantly live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA and I
 am
  interested in meeting/talking to like minded
 people...
 
  Along those lines, have anyone looked at
 converting
  their home heating furnace/water heater to
 Biodiesel?
 
  I found this company
  http://www.irvingoilco.com/homeheat/product4.html
 that
  looks interesting.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Greg and April]

Not really.

See a previous post with the subject - Venezuela Oil Fields Back in State
Control, from Keith Addison:

In 2001, it passed a new law requiring oil production to be carried out by
companies majority-owned by the government.

Greg H.


- Original Message - 
From: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:04
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


Very true, but wouldn't they be signing a contract with Citgo and not
Venezuela.



Greg and April wrote:
 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
 foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


 Greg H.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


 http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

 by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

 As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
 fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
 benefit low-income people.
 Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
 opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
 the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
 deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
 Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
 shortfalls.

 In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
 Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
 officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
 diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
 President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
 on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

 But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
 CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
 to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

 According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
 the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
 discount offer.

 In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
 want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
 addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
 offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
 and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
 passengers paying cash.

 This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
 said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
 residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
 currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
 to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
 daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
 to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
 majority of the time.

 Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
 Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
 transportation.

 I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
 bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
 17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
 and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
 I already see no money at the end of the month.

 The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
 Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor
 programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three
 nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of
 heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will
 amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households
 slated to benefit from the plan.

 This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. -- 
 Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens
 Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million
 gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10
 million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the
 program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring
 the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine,
 Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

 However, in all of Illinois, only about 12,000 households use heating oil.

 So instead of fuel for heat, Citgo representatives offered the CTA a
 40-50 percent discount on diesel fuel for buses to benefit Chicagoans
 most in need of relief from soaring oil and gas prices this winter.

 We didn't know how else to reach enough people, said Consul Sanchez.

 

[Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

[Jacko55555]

Can vacuum be used alone to dewater oil at room temp?Or even at 
slightly elevated temp? 55 deg. C would be a good temp so
when it finished drying it could be sent directly to the processor. I would 
alsoneed a condenser to keep the evacuated water out of the vacuum 
pump.A friend of mine (in ACR) uses vacuum @30" water column to 
take the watercontent to 300 micron. What micron is acceptable other than 
the obvious 0micron?I am just looking at options vs costs. I seen a 
post the other day and itmade me sit back and think.As always 
appreciate your input.John Frey
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Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Greg and April]

As I mentioned in a earlier post, if all of Chicago's busses were run /
controlled by a nonprofit organization and the oil went to the organization,
it would not involve a local government and then the use of discount oil
could not be considered a bribe.

Greg H.

- Original Message - 
From: AEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:26
Subject: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil




Hello,
The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through
citgo,
the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S.   It is not a
situation
 of  making treaties with foreign nations,  so it should not be considered
as such
You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel
costs do you?.
 Even after the record profits that they have raked in
last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain
offered the same deal, it would
most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to
accept oil from an alleged
oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence
of Citgo but they
regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as
well. Might be something
U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS.

OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their
own reasons
mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter
or obtain
discount transport.

regards
tallex



  ---Original Message---
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil




  Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17

  IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties
with
  foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


  Greg H.




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  - Original Message -
  From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
  Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


  http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

  Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

  by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

  As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
  fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
  benefit low-income people.
  Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
  opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
  the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
  deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
  Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
  shortfalls.

  In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
  Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
  officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
  diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
  President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
  on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

  But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
  CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
  to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

  According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
  the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
  discount offer.

  In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
  want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
  addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
  offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
  and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
  passengers paying cash.

  This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
  said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
  residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
  currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
  to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
  daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
  to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
  majority of the time.

  Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
  Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
  transportation.

  I only earn $560 a 

Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

[bedros]

Well Jed I definitely think 
it would be worth doing if I had some new invention pop into my head! A lot 
cheaper than patenting too.

Ross

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Michael 
  RedlerSent: 05 January 2006 16:29To: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your 
  livees!!
  Although I've never done it, I heard of it being done by others. My 
  attitude is that redundancy is (in this situation) a good thing. Mail to 
  yourself and your attorney, notarize as much as possible, get as many 
  signatures as possible from those with skill in the art (who you also trust), 
  etc, etc.
  
  If I have an idea that I think has potential, I write a disclosure and 
  get three witnesses to sign it.
  
  ...my $.02
  
  Mikebedros [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Hi 
Jed,The method you just described seems plausible but have you have 
anyexperience of or known anybody to have actually done 
it?Ross-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Behalf Of DHAWA PESCAS, LDASent: 01 January 2006 14:59To: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your 
livees!!Hi guysAn easy way to prove the date of your 
idea is to put together several setsof plans of your invention, seal 
them well and register mail three or foursets to yourself and a couple 
to your lawyer, obviously with instructions tohim not to open his 
envelopes until needed. That way you have a sealedenvelope with a date 
stamp on it. If at any time you do need to prove it wasyour idea, you 
can open the envelope in 
court.RegardsJed
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Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Greg and April]

It is one thing to distribute heating oil at a discount through local
non-profit charities, it is another to give a local government, a discount
on fuel that is used on a for profit program.

An agreement between a foreign government owned company and a local
government is an agreement between 2 governments, the company is just a
front for one of the governments.

It could be argued in court that the foreign government was trying to
influence the local populace or politicians, and the below cost fuel was a
bribe, since the fuel could be used to make a profit.That is why
treaties between local US governments and foreign nations are illegal.

If Chicago gave up all of it's busses to a private non-profit organization,
not connected with any government, there should be no legal problems, with
the non-profit organization accepting the fuel, and using it to run the
busses - using the bus fairs to pay for the fuel and running and maintance
of the busses.


Greg H.


- Original Message - 
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:13
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil



This is a delivery agreement with a US company
Citgo owned by Venezuela and a US city, regarding
deliveries of discounted energy. I fail to see what might be illegal.

Hakan


At 16:17 05/01/2006, you wrote:
IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


Greg H.


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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
benefit low-income people.
Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
shortfalls.

In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
discount offer.

In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
passengers paying cash.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
majority of the time.

Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
transportation.

I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
I already see no money at the end of the month.

The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor
programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three
nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of
heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will
amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households
slated to benefit from the plan.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. --
Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar 

[Biofuel] Biodiesel story from Madison, Wisconsin

[Sean Michael Dargan]

Greetings to my brothers and sisters in the noble
biodiesel movement!

I thought you might like to see this story that our
local news did on me and my obsession with BD.  You
might get a kick out of it... I'm kind of a dork.

Here's the link.  Click on the video story link at
the top of the page.  

http://www.wkowtv.com/index.php/news/story/p/pkid/22991#videowindow

Keep the faith, etc.

Sean Michael Dargan
Singer/Songwriter/Bagpiper/Rockstar
Madison, Wisconsin USA
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Re: [Biofuel] Oooops! to much acid

[Keith Addison]

Hello Mick

Hi Guys.
 I was hoping this day would never come.
 
 I’ve been making Bio from WVO for over 12 months now with great success
 using the standard Base catalyst method.
 
 I run it in my 1992 80 series Toyota Land Cruiser with about 340,000 Km on
 the clock and she purrs like a Kitten.
 
 I find the web site an excellent wealth of knowledge and a great place to
 learn the different theories and ideas from other like minded soles.
 Up until now reading and re reading this info has been of great assistance
 to me when in doubt/trouble, however this time I’ve ended up with 180
 liters of Bio with a PH of  5.8. after stuffing up the calculations with
 the acid quench in the wash water.
 
 I now find myself with a self induced problem with this latest batch and I
 would like to ask the mailing list for advice so I can go on my annual
 camping trip and not have to pay $1.30/Litre at the pump here in Sydney.

I have done a tritation of the washed bio and it gave me a 0.075 tritation
as per the 'Better tritation method. I'm concerned that I have converted
some of the Bio back to FFA's.

If the pH is below 7 then you'll get a positive titration reading, 
but I don't see the point of titrating it. If you have converted 
biodiesel back to FFA it sure won't be much. The low-ish pH reading 
is much more likely to be due to residues of the acid you used in the 
wash quench. It can take quite a lot of qwashing to get it out. Keep 
on washing it until the pH returns to something near neutral (or the 
same as your wash water).

My questions are:-
 A. Is this enough catalist to neutralize the acid?
 B. If so how much Methanol should I use for the reaction?
 C. Is this the best method to bring this batch back to PH 7?

You're planning to neutralise the excess acid you used in the wash 
quench by re-processing the biodiesel? Overkill, just wash it some 
more, maybe quite a lot more. If that doesn't work then we can think 
again.

Best

Keith


 
 Thanks
 Mick Ellis


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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel story from Madison, Wisconsin

[David Marquis]

Sweet! Now if you lived a little closer, I would be
tempted to ask at see your setup being a noob and
all... :-)

Dave

--- Sean Michael Dargan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Greetings to my brothers and sisters in the noble
 biodiesel movement!
 
 I thought you might like to see this story that our
 local news did on me and my obsession with BD.  You
 might get a kick out of it... I'm kind of a dork.
 
 Here's the link.  Click on the video story link at
 the top of the page.  
 

http://www.wkowtv.com/index.php/news/story/p/pkid/22991#videowindow
 
 Keep the faith, etc.
 
 Sean Michael Dargan
 Singer/Songwriter/Bagpiper/Rockstar
 Madison, Wisconsin USA
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Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

[David Marquis]

Hi Doug,

I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in
Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I
did some searching on the internet for #2 grade
heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a
gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make
BD of less than that. Even if I had to buy WVO from
the local BD co-op (not a bad thing) at a 1.00 a
gallon, I think I would still be under the going rate
for #2 heating oil. 

500 gallons? That's a lot. I would have thought that
it would be a lot less... maybe I am not in the know.

For example, my wife and I have our house thermostat
set
 at a fairly low (at least according to our friends)
17 degrees C.
WOW! that is 62-63 F. I keep it at 66F or 19C.

What are your thoughts?

Dave

--- Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dave:
 
 I live in Hamilton, Ontario, which is on the
 western end of Lake Ontario
 and about the same latitude as Rome.  Last year,
 which was somewhat colder
 than normal, we used approximately 500US gallons of
 #2 Fuel Oil to heat our
 house at a cost of $1,400 CND.
 You should probably talk to a fuel oil
 distributor to get an idea of
 what the average usage in Minnesota will be.  I
 suspect that average usage
 in your area will be somewhat higher then it is
 here.  You live further
 north than I do and I suspect that you also have a
 more continental climate.
 But as I'm sure you are aware, there are a lot of
 things that can impact
 your fuel usage.  For example, my wife and I have
 our house thermostat set
 at a fairly low (at least according to our friends)
 17 degrees C.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

[Appal Energy]

Large difference between signing a treaty and signing a contract.

Until such time as some form of federal embargo is placed against 
Venezuela, the market remains open and there are no restrictions against 
such a transaction.

Todd Swearingen



Greg and April wrote:

Not really.

See a previous post with the subject - Venezuela Oil Fields Back in State
Control, from Keith Addison:

In 2001, it passed a new law requiring oil production to be carried out by
companies majority-owned by the government.

Greg H.


- Original Message - 
From: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:04
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


Very true, but wouldn't they be signing a contract with Citgo and not
Venezuela.



Greg and April wrote:
  

IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with
foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered.


Greg H.


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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56
Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil


http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710

Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil

by Jessica Pupovac (bio)

As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit
fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to
benefit low-income people.
Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an
opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in
the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting
deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum
Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget
shortfalls.

In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit
Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city
officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost
diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings
on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards.

But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the
CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according
to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation.

According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez,
the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the
discount offer.

In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not
want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be
addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela
offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month,
and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for
passengers paying cash.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me,
said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of
residents live below the federally recognized poverty level -
currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA
to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes
daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money
to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the
majority of the time.

Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a
Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public
transportation.

I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my
bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a
17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices
and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed.
I already see no money at the end of the month.

The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago. Over the
Thanksgiving holiday, the first of Venezuela's oil-for-the-poor
programs in the US was launched. Citgo struck a deal with three
nonprofit organizations in the Bronx to deliver 5 million gallons of
heating oil at 45 percent below the market price. The deal will
amount to a savings of $4 million for the 8,000 low-income households
slated to benefit from the plan.

This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me. -- 
Dorothy Chew Citgo has made a similar arrangement with Citizens
Energy Corp. in Boston for the sale and distribution of 12 million
gallons, saving low-income and elderly residents there a total of $10
million. The company's website says that it expects to expand the
program to other boroughs in New York City and that it is exploring
the possibility of offering discounted fuel to residents in Maine,
Rhode Island, Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

However, in all of Illinois, only about 12,000 households use heating oil.

So instead of fuel for heat, Citgo representatives offered the CTA a
40-50