Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Dear Elad; Greetings from Istanbul. Beside personally following up the alternative energy for past, professionally we have been doing automation of the bio diesel plants. I can try to give you some ideas on what we are doing here. Do you know what type of oil you will be using? Or better what is available over there for you to use? What type of equipment you have? And do you have the land available? If you can send me some information I can discuss with the process guys and come back with some ideas which may be usefull. Regards Burak -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine Does anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or (better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he can follow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are many projects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hear about them. Best Keith Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200 From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bio-Diesel in Palestine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Journey to Forever, my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Together with a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned the construction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (starting from around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in. The village has been the center and the symbol of the joint Palestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of the separation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation and we felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level we need to start positive constructive work. The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly, community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. We wish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficient Your site is the most comprehensive and accesible information source on the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of any other initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in between backyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I could contact to learn from and maybe even visit. many thanks indeed, elad orian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Hello Burak Dear Elad; Greetings from Istanbul. Beside personally following up the alternative energy for past, professionally we have been doing automation of the bio diesel plants. I can try to give you some ideas on what we are doing here. Do you know what type of oil you will be using? Or better what is available over there for you to use? What type of equipment you have? And do you have the land available? If you can send me some information I can discuss with the process guys and come back with some ideas which may be usefull. Regards Burak Please try to keep it onlist, or cc the list. Thankyou. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine Does anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or (better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he can follow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are many projects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hear about them. Best Keith Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200 From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bio-Diesel in Palestine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Journey to Forever, my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Together with a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned the construction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (starting from around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in. The village has been the center and the symbol of the joint Palestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of the separation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation and we felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level we need to start positive constructive work. The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly, community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. We wish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficient Your site is the most comprehensive and accesible information source on the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of any other initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in between backyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I could contact to learn from and maybe even visit. many thanks indeed, elad orian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in Palestine
Hello Elad, Perhaps you have access to third press solvent extracted olive oil. It is probably used for other purposes but it may be available for Biodiesel. Are you planning to use ethanol or methanol as your processing alcohol? Tom Irwin From: Burak_l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:55:39 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in PalestineDear Elad;Greetings from Istanbul. Beside personally following up the alternativeenergy for past, professionally we have been doing automation of the biodiesel plants.I can try to give you some ideas on what we are doing here.Do you know what type of oil you will be using? Or better what is availableover there for you to use? What type of equipment you have?And do you have the land available?If you can send me some information I can discuss with the process guys andcome back with some ideas which may be usefull.RegardsBurak-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith AddisonSent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:16 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Bio-Diesel in PalestineDoes anyone have any good advice for Elad Orian? Respond direct or(better) discuss onlist - I gave him the list archives link so he canfollow any onlist discussions (or join). I think there are manyprojects similar to what he envisages, and it would be good to hearabout them.BestKeithDate: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:11 +0200From: Elad Orian [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Bio-Diesel in PalestineTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Dear Journey to Forever,my name is Elad Orian and I am an Israeli peace activist. Togetherwith a Palestinian partner from the west bank we have envisioned theconstruction of a medium sized Bio-Diesel production plant (startingfrom around 1000 liters a day) at the Palestinian village of Bil'in.The village has been the center and the symbol of the jointPalestinian-Israeli struggle against the construction of theseparation barrier that Israel is building and land confiscation andwe felt that in order to take the cooperation to the next level weneed to start positive constructive work.The Bio-Diesel option came naturally as an environmentally friendly,community supporting and economically sustainable enterprise. Wewish to build a production system with the following characteristics: 1. environmentali sound 2. locally built 3. long lasting 4. growing capacity 5. efficientYour site is the most comprehensive and accesible information sourceon the web and I was hoping to hear from you whether you know of anyother initiatives with similar characteristics (i.e. in betweenbackyard producers and full scale corporate factories) I couldcontact to learn from and maybe even visit.many thanks indeed,elad orian___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic water treatment
Greg, My experience is totally different and disagree with your concepts of no real proofs. There are thousands of cars, cooling towers and boilers running with magnets with very good results. Better fosil fuel yield no fouling are the reported results. Of course if someone wants to pasteurize or sterilize water is unlikely to do it with magnets. Magnets do not make miracles but say that there is a waste of time to use them is too much. - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic water treatment Mike, You have made a statement that really stands out as to how unreliable the science of magnetism really is. Ozone is now a proven technology for many things, including purification of water, while 30 years ago it was in the realm of junk science. Yet, after 30 years, magnets are still in the realm of junk science ( sounds good - maybe even possible, but no real proof ). One would think that thirty years would be plenty of time to establish the how and why it works and be accepted by the mainstream science community. Yet, magnets are still have not been proven by scientific trials. You mention trials by putting them on fuel pipelines, and watching the differences in the amount of wax build up, but, there is no proof in that. The amount of wax in fuel varies with the time of the year, and the particular fuel flowing through the pipeline.The same pipeline will handle ( in order of decreasing wax content ) heating oil ( Diesel #4 ), vehicle diesel in the summer( Diesel #2 ), vehicle Diesel in the winter ( Diesel #1 or a blend of #1 and #2 depending on how cold the area get's, that the fuel is going to ) and possibly kerosene depending on the area. A build up of wax that occurred when heating oil is being pumped through the pipeline, will dissolve when diesel #1 or kerosene is being pumped through the pipeline. Wax buildup is also more likely to occur during the late winter / early spring, time frame after a long period of cold temps have cooled down the soil that the pipeline runs through - granted, at the depth the pipeline is, the temperature difference would only amount to a few degrees, but, even a few degrees, can make a difference, with a increase or decrease in wax build up with the different fuels. Without controlling the variables, other that using or not using magnets, it is not a verifiable test, nor is it scientific by any means. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 18:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment SNIP These same magnets are sold for magnetic water conditioning. So is ozone, which has moved from the realm of sudo science in the USA 30 years ago, to a point now where it is used instead of chlorine in nearly 50% of US drinking water supply systems. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permanent Energy Crisis
Hey, your giving the plot away. Who in the heck drives a 50 mpg vehicle let alone considers alternative transportation. Conservation, thats the ticket. Good one, some actually do. Bring them on as the plot thickens. Sounds like things could get a little out of hand with all this grief over fossil energy and uranium enrichment let alone a economic downturn. Goodness gracious what will our leaders do blow more smoke up our smokestacks. It seems rather foolish considering the renewable energy sources that could help in the meantime. I hope little George I have spoken and his political affiliates will give it some serious thought and follow through rather than mere election year rhetoric. Maybe someone can come up with some special pick me up Yokum berry tonic. Perhaps they can embolden conservation measures rather then unenthusiastic lip service. Oh, oh, a little of that's been done and I imagine a little more of the same as they spin along the campaign trail. I hope things get better from the buckaroo and his entourage but I figure its going to be the same old regurgitated chatter from his base. Stay the course come hell or high water after the elections are over. No surprise for most. It seems were all involved and Keith you're doing a great job keeping us aware of so many things. In fact there are many I enjoy learning from on this list. Thank you. http://www.alternet.org/story/32077/ Permanent Energy Crisis By Michael Klare, Tomdispatch.com. Posted February 13, 2006. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Who Needs More Coal?
I liked a quote in a recent piece by Lovins: I used to work for Edwin Land, the father of Polaroid photography. Land said that invention was the sudden cessation of stupidity. He also said that people who seem to have had a new idea often have just stopped having an old idea. I keep saying it's not an open mind you need so much as an empty one, and open eyes. That article's here: http://www.discover.com/issues/feb-06/features/energizer/ The Energizer Amory Lovins has a vision: The U.S. economy keeps going and going and going-without any oil By Cal Fussman Photography by Ben Stechschulte DISCOVER Vol. 27 No. 02 | February 2006 | Environment --- http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/02/10/who_needs_more_coal.php Who Needs More Coal? Amory B. Lovins February 10, 2006 Amory B. Lovins is chief executive officer of Rocky Mountain Institute and is a consultant experimental physicist educated at Harvard and Oxford. This piece appeared in ORION magazine and is reprinted with permission . Coal-fired power plants generate half of U.S. electricity. Yet mountaintop removal, smokestack pollution, and global warming aren't inevitable; they're artifacts of using electricity in ways that waste money. Most of the electricity used today, whether in the U.S. or in even more coal-intensive countries like China, can be saved by using it far more efficiently. Fifteen years ago, the utility industry's Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) and a team of researchers at Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), the resource efficiency center I cofounded, came to essentially the same conclusion. In a joint Scientific American article, EPRI found that it would be cheaper to save 39 to 59 percent of all the electricity used in the United States than pay to run coal-fired (or nuclear) power plants and deliver that same power to customers; RMI concluded the number was at least 75 percent. Either way (the differences are largely methodological), running coal-fired power plants, let alone building more, is uneconomic when compared to other widely available, but officially disfavored, ways to do the same tasks. Recent drops of 2 percent per year in the electricity that's used to make a dollar of U.S. gross domestic product barely scratch the surface of what's possible-and electricity-saving techniques are getting better and cheaper faster than we're using resources up. These dramatic savings come not from privation or discomfort, but from smarter technologies that wring more work from each kilowatt-hour. They deliver the same comfort, light, hot showers, cold beer, and other services with the same or better quality and reliability but use less energy and less money. For example, my refrigerator keeps a power plant from burning enough coal to fill the refrigerator every year, because it uses 92 percent less electricity than most-and newer technologies could raise that to at least 97 percent. The refrigerator costs more up front because it's made by a small firm, but in mass production it would probably cost less than a normal unit. Saving electricity is extremely lucrative, but the United States has long been slow to do it. Why? For starters, electricity is the most heavily subsidized form of energy, is often used in devices chosen by a different person than the bill-payer (for example, a landlord and a tenant, respectively), and is usually priced at the average of cheap old supplies and costly new ones, hiding the true cost of using more. But some states have striven to overcome these obstacles. California's policies have held per-capita use of electricity flat for about thirty years even as per-capita income rose by two-thirds. New England has lately followed suit; Vermont is reducing household electricity use. Yet most states use ever more electricity: all but Oregon and California reward distribution utilities for selling you more and penalize them for cutting your bill. If that sounds as dumb as a possum... well, it is. State utility regulators nationwide unanimously agreed in 1989 to fix this perverse incentive, and about nine states did, but then restructuring derailed reform. Some other states are reconsidering, but it's not on the federal agenda. The fix is easy. First, state utility commissions must decouple utilities' profits from how much energy they sell, escrowing profits from years when energy sales are unexpectedly large, returning them in years when sales fall short of projections. Second, regulators must let utilities keep part of any savings as extra profit. Thus in 1992, rather than make costly investments in new energy production, Pacific Gas and Electric Company invested more than $170 million to help customers save energy. Eighty-nine percent of the nearly $400 million saved went to customers in the form of lower bills; the remaining 11 percent was returned by regulators to utility shareholders as higher dividends, rewarding both parties. How
[Biofuel] America's masterplan is to force GM food on the world
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1708257,00.html Comment America's masterplan is to force GM food on the world The reason the US took Europe to the WTO court was to prise open lucrative markets elsewhere John Vidal Monday February 13, 2006 The Guardian Just a few years ago, World Trade Organisation officials used to act hurt when described by social activists as irresponsible, secretive bureaucrats who trampled over national sovereignty and placed free trade over the environment or human rights. But that was when the global-trade policeman ruled on disputes that had little bearing on Europeans. The WTO court's latest ruling will greatly increase the number of people who believe the organisation needs radical reform, if not burial. This week three judges emerged after years of secret deliberation to rule that Europe had imposed a de facto ban on GM food imports between 1999 and 2003, violating WTO rules. The court also ruled that Austria, France, Germany, Greece, Italy and Luxembourg had no legal grounds to impose their own unilateral import bans. Europe guilty! shouted the US press. This is glorious news for the Bush administration, said one blogger. Actually, the judges said much more, but in true WTO style no one has been allowed to know what. A few bureaucrats in the US, EU, Argentina and Canada have reportedly seen the full 1,045-page report, and an edited summary of some of its conclusions has been leaked. But no one, it seems, will take responsibility for the ruling, which may force the EU to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to compensate some of the world's most heavily subsidised farmers, and could change the laws of at least six countries that have imposed GM bans. In fact the US has mostly won a lot of new enemies. Rather than going away, as the biotech companies and Washington fervently hoped, the opposition to GM foods seems to have been growing since 2004 when the case was brought to the WTO. Europe, its member states and its consumers all rejected the ruling last week, making the WTO look even more out of touch and incompetent to rule on issues about the environment, health and consumer choice. The European commission, which has been trying to force GM crops into Europe over the heads of its member states, says the ruling is irrelevant because its laws have already been changed. Meanwhile, individual countries who dislike being told what to eat or grow by the EC as much as the WTO say they will resist any attempts to make them accept GM. In the past few days Hungary has declared that it is in its economic interests to remain GM-free, and Greece and Austria have affirmed their total opposition to the crops. Italy has called the WTO ruling unbalanced and Poland's prime minister has pledged to keep the country GM-free. Local government is even more opposed: more than 3,500 elected councils in 170 regions of Europe have declared themselves GM-free. There is little the WTO, the EC or the US can do in face of this coalition of the unwilling. If the US again tries to impose its GM products on Europe - as it did in the 90s, sparking the whole debacle - the attempt will backfire. Europe's biotech industry may now try to force the EC to use the WTO judgment to get the six countries with import bans to repeal anti-GM laws, but it will meet an even broader, more determined movement. In fact, Washington and the US companies are not that bothered by Europe's predictable reaction. Europe has all but dropped off the world's GM map. The companies and the supermarkets know there is little or no demand for GM crops, and that Europe's subsidised farmers are reluctant to alienate the public further by growing them. It is now clear that the real reason the US took Europe to the WTO court was was to make it easier for its companies to prise open regulatory doors in China, India, south-east Asia, Latin America and Africa, where most US exports now go. This is where millions of tonnes of US food aid heads, and where US GM companies are desperate to have access, buying up seed companies and schmoozing presidents and prime ministers. More than two-thirds of exported US corn now goes to Asia and Africa, where once it went to Europe. As the Monsanto man said this week about the WTO ruling: Our feeling is that it's important for countries other than the EU to have science-based regulatory frameworks. Like the tobacco industry, GM companies are now focusing almost exclusively on developing countries. But here the industry is meeting stiff opposition from powerful unions and farming groups. Brazil has caved in, but Bolivia may shortly become the first Latin American country to fully reject GM. Some Indian states are deeply opposed, and there have been major demonstrations in the Philippines, Korea, Indonesia and elsewhere. India's largest farmers' organisation this week said the result of the WTO verdict would be that the US would
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
Hi Mike and All, I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for lead. Tom Irwin From: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report ReleaseThe mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been reduced 99.9% from what it was a few yearsago (I researched this a few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the rightsupplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the actual vial being used!! Ifound that out while dealing with the local County Health Clinic dispensing the Vaccinesrecently.Of course that begs the next question of what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keepthe vaccine and flu shots sterile and presumably safe!Mike McGinnessMargo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the things we humans have come up with so far. I still think the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. Young Living has some very interesting information in some of their latest studies. - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior comments: I almost forgot the really big, big BIG issue. All silver colored dental fillings are currently still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50% raw mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, We are probably the single largest unregulated source of mercury emissions in the environment! Thanks to the FDA! Mike McGinness Michael Redler wrote: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:26:10 -0500 Subject: [renewable-energy] Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release Fellow enviros, For almost two years, we've been gathering hair samples from Greenpeace supporters across the country. On February 8, we released the results of our nationwide mercury study, http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/mercury-report and the results are alarming. Over *one in five* women of childbearing age tested above the limit the Environmental Protection Agency set as safe. The even more chilling news is that earlier this year in his State of the Union speechhttp://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to Congress, President Bush called for more energy investment in dirty fossil fuels, including coal, the largest source of mercury pollution in the country. Tell Congress that America doesn't need more coal and mercuryhttp://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to be spewed into our environment, our waterways and our bodies. A healthy, sustainable energy futures begins with increased investments in clean, renewable energy, not dirty fossil fuels. Best, Nick Greenpeace www.greenpeaceusa.org[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] == THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY LIST. -- . Please feel free to send your input to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Join the list by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. To view previous messages from the list, subscribe to a daily digest of the list, or stop receiving the list by e-mail (and read it on the Web), go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/list/renewable-energy . . This e-mail discussion list is managed by the American Wind Energy Association: http://www.awea.org -- Association: http://www.awea.org -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Heavy metals in biodiesel via bioremediation?
Hi Zeke and All, This may be a moot point since most people will not be growing oil seeds or grazing animals on heavy metal contaminated land. Heavy metals tend to be respiratory poisons. By this I mean cellular respiration. At high enough concentrations, lead, mercury, zinc and cadmium interfere with a cell's ability to make energy. Of course their effect is much broader than that but this alone is enough to kill a cell, a tissue, an organ etc. These heavy metals take the place of or interfere with sodium, potassium, iron or magnesium within the cell. When they do so things like proteins bend or distort and become non-functional. Think of a heavy metal like lead interferingwith iron in a hemoglobin molecule or magnesium in a chlorophyll molecule. In one case oxygen doesn't transfer in the other sunlight is no longer useful to make plant energy. Bioaccumlation can occur but since we're talking about plants it is limited. Lands that are severely contaminated with heavy metals tend to be bare and lifeless.Lower levels of contamination are tolerated depending on the amount of organic material in the soil. The humic acids, due to their complex stuctures, bind metals and sequester them. That's why swamps with lots of organic matter tend to have high concentrations of metals as metal sulfides. In plants I would think that heavy metals would attach to proteins first, then vitamines, then conplex benzene ring compounds, then triple and double bonded fats, greases and oils. So something like linseed oil with lots of double bonds might have some contamination with heavy metals while single bondedmaterials would have less. I don't think this is a big issue unless you are reclaiming aSuperfund site with oilseeds and then use the oilseeds for biodiesel. It's a good question though. I don't currently have an AA analyzer but I know someone with an ion chromatograph.Perhaps I can pursuade them to run some of my canola but it may gunk up their system Tom Irwin From: Zeke Yewdall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:10:09 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Heavy metals in biodiesel via bioremediation?Reading a bit about the leaded gasoline and lead and mercurycontamination from various sources in other threads this morning leadto me thinking about heavy metal emissions from biodiesel. Theoretically, we know exactly what's in there (just veggie oil,transformed with methanol and lye, right?). But having read a bitabout bioremediation as well, I wondered if anyone has ever tested howmuch heavy metals could be accumulated in the oil of rapeseed andmustardseed crops grown for biodiesel on contaminated soil, andre-emitted into the air? I can't remember the source now, but Iremember a site in china where they grew mustard plants oncontaminated ground, burned the plants, and found that the ashescounted as high grade silver ore... In bioremediation, exactly whatparts of the plants accumulate the most heavy metals -- if they'relike animals, the fats (oil feedstock for biodiesel) would hold alotof them right?Just some musings on my part now, but I'd be interested if anyone hasstudies which address this.Zeke___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic watertreatment
Until you take the human influence ( conscious or subconscious ) and other variables from the results, there is no way to do any conclusive scientific test.Without any conclusive scientific testing, there is no proof. Just because there are cars on the road that use magnets, and they appear to work, is no teat or proof that they work.The owners could very easily be subconscious be easier on the throttle, which in turn make it appear that the magnets are indeed working.One can just as easily say that Mutually Assured Destruction worked, so it is a good thing to have nuclear weapons. NOT. Just because something appears to work, does not mean that it actualy does, unless conclusive scientific testing - that eliminates any other possible variables as the actual reason for the improvement, proves it does. *** Sorry Keith, but, it's time for the pro-magnet crowd to put up verifiable testing or cut the yacking about something that is not proven to work - we may as well be talking about Zero point energy, cold fusion, or perpetual motion machines *** Greg H. - Original Message - From: Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:28 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic watertreatment Greg, My experience is totally different and disagree with your concepts of no real proofs. There are thousands of cars, cooling towers and boilers running with magnets with very good results. Better fosil fuel yield no fouling are the reported results. Of course if someone wants to pasteurize or sterilize water is unlikely to do it with magnets. Magnets do not make miracles but say that there is a waste of time to use them is too much. - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic water treatment Mike, You have made a statement that really stands out as to how unreliable the science of magnetism really is. Ozone is now a proven technology for many things, including purification of water, while 30 years ago it was in the realm of junk science. Yet, after 30 years, magnets are still in the realm of junk science ( sounds good - maybe even possible, but no real proof ). One would think that thirty years would be plenty of time to establish the how and why it works and be accepted by the mainstream science community. Yet, magnets are still have not been proven by scientific trials. You mention trials by putting them on fuel pipelines, and watching the differences in the amount of wax build up, but, there is no proof in that. The amount of wax in fuel varies with the time of the year, and the particular fuel flowing through the pipeline.The same pipeline will handle ( in order of decreasing wax content ) heating oil ( Diesel #4 ), vehicle diesel in the summer( Diesel #2 ), vehicle Diesel in the winter ( Diesel #1 or a blend of #1 and #2 depending on how cold the area get's, that the fuel is going to ) and possibly kerosene depending on the area. A build up of wax that occurred when heating oil is being pumped through the pipeline, will dissolve when diesel #1 or kerosene is being pumped through the pipeline. Wax buildup is also more likely to occur during the late winter / early spring, time frame after a long period of cold temps have cooled down the soil that the pipeline runs through - granted, at the depth the pipeline is, the temperature difference would only amount to a few degrees, but, even a few degrees, can make a difference, with a increase or decrease in wax build up with the different fuels. Without controlling the variables, other that using or not using magnets, it is not a verifiable test, nor is it scientific by any means. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 18:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment SNIP These same magnets are sold for magnetic water conditioning. So is ozone, which has moved from the realm of sudo science in the USA 30 years ago, to a point now where it is used instead of chlorine in nearly 50% of US drinking water supply systems. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos.
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic watertreatment
Greg and April wrote: Just because something appears to work, does not mean that it actualy does, unless conclusive scientific testing - that eliminates any other possible variables as the actual reason for the improvement, proves it does. *** Sorry Keith, but, it's time for the pro-magnet crowd to put up verifiable testing or cut the yacking about something that is not proven to work - we may as well be talking about Zero point energy, cold fusion, or perpetual motion machines *** I'm not sure why we need to have debates on this at all, or why it seems to be a matter of belief. Magnets polarize the fuel and increase fuel economy snake oil C'mon. This is simple. If you think that a company sells 10 million dollars of fuel enhancing magnets annually so there MUST be something there, GO BUY IT. Install it on your own vehicle. Tell us how it works. Document carefully how gas mileage changes and tell us about it. While one person doing this and reporting better mileage is a far cry from scientific evidence and a controlled study, it's a useful starting point. If 10 believers strap on magnets guaranteed to increase fuel economy 15% and 8 of them report a 5% savings or better I will personally buy these miracle boosters and put them on engines on a dyno. And if it should boost economy by an iota I will loudly tell everyone and will send a reward to the believers for enlightening me. At this point it falls into the category of things that could help but aren't worth trying. Dancing naked at midnight on a new moon might help my plants grow too, but I'm skeptical enough to figure it's not worth my time. If the believers aren't willing to pay 39.95 to increase their fuel economy 15% then I figure that a) they don't really believe or b) they aren't interested in saving fuel. I doubt many on this list fall in the second category. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners and magnetic water treatment
Hello Greg Until you take the human influence ( conscious or subconscious ) and other variables from the results, there is no way to do any conclusive scientific test.Without any conclusive scientific testing, there is no proof. Just because there are cars on the road that use magnets, and they appear to work, is no teat or proof that they work.The owners could very easily be subconscious be easier on the throttle, which in turn make it appear that the magnets are indeed working.One can just as easily say that Mutually Assured Destruction worked, so it is a good thing to have nuclear weapons. NOT. Just because something appears to work, does not mean that it actualy does, unless conclusive scientific testing - that eliminates any other possible variables as the actual reason for the improvement, proves it does. *** Sorry Keith, but, it's time for the pro-magnet crowd to put up verifiable testing or cut the yacking about something that is not proven to work - we may as well be talking about Zero point energy, cold fusion, or perpetual motion machines *** 'Fraid so. Or 200mpg carburettors, as Bob said. Same as before. But hope springs eternal. Maybe we could power an over-unity device on eternally springing hope. Oh, sorry, that IS how they're powered, isn't it. Anyway I agree, the pro-magnet crowd should put up verifiable testing or cut the yacking. All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Greg H. - Original Message - From: Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:28 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic watertreatment Greg, My experience is totally different and disagree with your concepts of no real proofs. There are thousands of cars, cooling towers and boilers running with magnets with very good results. Better fosil fuel yield no fouling are the reported results. Of course if someone wants to pasteurize or sterilize water is unlikely to do it with magnets. Magnets do not make miracles but say that there is a waste of time to use them is too much. - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic water treatment Mike, You have made a statement that really stands out as to how unreliable the science of magnetism really is. Ozone is now a proven technology for many things, including purification of water, while 30 years ago it was in the realm of junk science. Yet, after 30 years, magnets are still in the realm of junk science ( sounds good - maybe even possible, but no real proof ). One would think that thirty years would be plenty of time to establish the how and why it works and be accepted by the mainstream science community. Yet, magnets are still have not been proven by scientific trials. You mention trials by putting them on fuel pipelines, and watching the differences in the amount of wax build up, but, there is no proof in that. The amount of wax in fuel varies with the time of the year, and the particular fuel flowing through the pipeline.The same pipeline will handle ( in order of decreasing wax content ) heating oil ( Diesel #4 ), vehicle diesel in the summer( Diesel #2 ), vehicle Diesel in the winter ( Diesel #1 or a blend of #1 and #2 depending on how cold the area get's, that the fuel is going to ) and possibly kerosene depending on the area. A build up of wax that occurred when heating oil is being pumped through the pipeline, will dissolve when diesel #1 or kerosene is being pumped through the pipeline. Wax buildup is also more likely to occur during the late winter / early spring, time frame after a long period of cold temps have cooled down the soil that the pipeline runs through - granted, at the depth the pipeline is, the temperature difference would only amount to a few degrees, but, even a few degrees, can make a difference, with a increase or decrease in wax build up with the different fuels. Without controlling the variables, other that using or not using magnets, it is not a verifiable test, nor is it scientific by any means. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 18:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment SNIP These same magnets are sold for magnetic water conditioning. So is ozone, which has moved from the realm of sudo science in the USA 30 years ago, to a point now where it is used instead of chlorine in nearly 50% of US drinking water supply systems. ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Permanent Energy Crisis
Hi Hoagy Hey, your giving the plot away. :-) Michael Klare is inclined to do that. Some special pick me up Yokum berry tonic? LOL! Just re this: It seems were all involved and Keith you're doing a great job keeping us aware of so many things. Thankyou sir. In fact there are many I enjoy learning from on this list. Yes! I reckon I've learnt more about more here than anywhere else, from very many people. You've been posting good info for a long time Hoagy. I especially wanted to thank you for your recent post on methane, eg. So nice to have some facts. Take care, all best Keith Who in the heck drives a 50 mpg vehicle let alone considers alternative transportation. Conservation, thats the ticket. Good one, some actually do. Bring them on as the plot thickens. Sounds like things could get a little out of hand with all this grief over fossil energy and uranium enrichment let alone a economic downturn. Goodness gracious what will our leaders do blow more smoke up our smokestacks. It seems rather foolish considering the renewable energy sources that could help in the meantime. I hope little George I have spoken and his political affiliates will give it some serious thought and follow through rather than mere election year rhetoric. Maybe someone can come up with some special pick me up Yokum berry tonic. Perhaps they can embolden conservation measures rather then unenthusiastic lip service. Oh, oh, a little of that's been done and I imagine a little more of the same as they spin along the campaign trail. I hope things get better from the buckaroo and his entourage but I figure its going to be the same old regurgitated chatter from his base. Stay the course come hell or high water after the elections are over. No surprise for most. It seems were all involved and Keith you're doing a great job keeping us aware of so many things. In fact there are many I enjoy learning from on this list. Thank you. http://www.alternet.org/story/32077/ Permanent Energy Crisis By Michael Klare, Tomdispatch.com. Posted February 13, 2006. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditionersandmagnetic watertreatment
In the interest of science and calming this debate, I am making this offer, as I think facts would be useful. If someone is prepared to buy a set of the magnets and ship them to me, I will install them on my wife's vehicle to test them. The test will begin after our roads are snow-free to attempt to minimize the temperature / additional road drag / snow tires variables from the test. The test will begin with one month (minimum) of logging mileage and fuel consumption, and comparing this to published data on fuel consumption ratings. Her use of the vehicle is fairly repeatable (primarily commuting and running errands, mostly urban driving). With baseline data in hand, I will install the magnets and proceed with an additional month (minimum) of testing under similar conditions, recording fuel consumption. Finally, I will remove the magnets, and conduct an additional month (minimum) of testing, again recording the results. I will ship the magnets at this time to the person that supplied them, so they are not out of pocket. My wife will know that testing is going on, but will not know when the magnets are installed and not installed, in the hopes of providing a degree of blindness in the test. I will publish the results here (and elsewhere), including the brand of magnets used. This offer is open to commercial suppliers of such magnets. Offer limited to the first supplier that causes said magnets to arrive at my residence. This vehicle typically uses regular gasoline mixed with 7 to 10% ethanol (controlled by the supplier). If desired by the supplier of the magnets, we will use gasoline without ethanol for the duration of the testing. Disclosure: I am a skeptic, but try to keep an open mind. Darryl McMahon David Miller wrote: Greg and April wrote: Just because something appears to work, does not mean that it actualy does, unless conclusive scientific testing - that eliminates any other possible variables as the actual reason for the improvement, proves it does. *** Sorry Keith, but, it's time for the pro-magnet crowd to put up verifiable testing or cut the yacking about something that is not proven to work - we may as well be talking about Zero point energy, cold fusion, or perpetual motion machines *** I'm not sure why we need to have debates on this at all, or why it seems to be a matter of belief. Magnets polarize the fuel and increase fuel economy snake oil C'mon. This is simple. If you think that a company sells 10 million dollars of fuel enhancing magnets annually so there MUST be something there, GO BUY IT. Install it on your own vehicle. Tell us how it works. Document carefully how gas mileage changes and tell us about it. While one person doing this and reporting better mileage is a far cry from scientific evidence and a controlled study, it's a useful starting point. If 10 believers strap on magnets guaranteed to increase fuel economy 15% and 8 of them report a 5% savings or better I will personally buy these miracle boosters and put them on engines on a dyno. And if it should boost economy by an iota I will loudly tell everyone and will send a reward to the believers for enlightening me. At this point it falls into the category of things that could help but aren't worth trying. Dancing naked at midnight on a new moon might help my plants grow too, but I'm skeptical enough to figure it's not worth my time. If the believers aren't willing to pay 39.95 to increase their fuel economy 15% then I figure that a) they don't really believe or b) they aren't interested in saving fuel. I doubt many on this list fall in the second category. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
One remedy for heavy metals does not a babe-magnet make. :-)Mike Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike and All,I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for lead.Tom IrwinFrom: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report ReleaseThe mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been reduced 99.9% from what it was a few yearsago (I researched this a few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the rightsupplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the actual vial being used!! Ifound that out while dealing with the local County Health Clinic dispensing the Vaccinesrecently.Of course that begs the next question of what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keepthe vaccine and flu shots sterile and presumably safe!Mike McGinnessMargo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the things we humans have come up with so far. I still think the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. Young Living has some very interesting information in some of their latest studies. - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior comments: I almost forgot the really big, big BIG issue. All silver colored dental fillings are currently still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50% raw mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, We are probably the single largest unregulated source of mercury emissions in the environment! Thanks to the FDA! Mike McGinness ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Dear David, Environment protection agency has been digging in a very serious way since 1972 and they have a complete report on all the work already made. Check this link. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The general conclussion is they do not recomend a particular device. But if you carefully study the reports you will find the most interisting conclussions in diesel and gas engines. In all the reports there is a mileage increase and exaust emission improvement. However based on the study of a particular case, there is not possible to recomend nothing in a general way. Why? because there are too many engines in the road, different in size, weight, number of bangers, and so on. Lets say this : if you have a few million 1,6 liter engines made by 15 manufacturers, and get a reduction with the device of 10% in the consumption on two of the manufacturers, there is not possible to recomend it for all because the statistics. For a general conclussion the device must be tested in a significant number of manufacturers. So, EPA do not recommend because statistical significance. By the way, they never found a device which a worst performance than without the device. Big improvement or small improvement, but not the opossite. And that means statistically something. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners I'd like to see some real scientific information. Not web sites run by people selling magnets, real research. Like Bob Allen said, a peer reviewed journal would be nice. Where other scientists review claims and articles, and often times perform their own research to confirm results. Have *you* applied this and seen *any* increase in milage while changing *nothing* else? I don't mean to sound harsh, but the willingness of people to believe miracles of magnets seems overwhelming. They cure cancer, defeat gravity, energize fuel, reduce pollution, and make rainy days turn sunny. Not really, but there seem to be no end of people willing to pay good money believing such nonsense. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Visita http://www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet. Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Zealand resourcing
Hi Anyone out there from New Zealand who can tell me where to get competitively priced Methanol and potassium hydroxide? -- -- This email was sent using Telecom SchoolZone. www.schoolzone.net.nz This email has been scanned for viruses by Telecom SchoolZone, but is not guaranteed to be virus-free. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. Just remember that to be effective garlic has to be eaten fresh and raw, garlic capsules don't work. Chris Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BBC: Fueling the Future
Good Day One and All: FYI: The BBC is broadcasting a special series called 'Fueling the Future.' Yesterday's debate was on exaggerated oil supplies versus alternative energy. This morning's focus was on the biodiesel in Brazil -- how biodiesel from castor oil is giving farmers new crops and giving life to areas slashed and burned. It is very informative. I listen via Real Player/streaming live audio. The link is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1349_energy/index.shtml I believe the BBC normally archives special programming in case you are not able to listen while aired. Enjoy! It's brilliant. I hope many people/benefit! Ana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
Andres Secco wrote: Dear David, Environment protection agency has been digging in a very serious way since 1972 and they have a complete report on all the work already made. Check this link. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The general conclussion is they do not recomend a particular device. But if you carefully study the reports you will find the most interisting conclussions in diesel and gas engines. I looked at a couple. I'll look at more if you have something of particular interest. The first consisted of wrapping a loop of the fuel line around the radiator hose to warm the fuel. I can see where that might improve fuel economy under some circumstances, and present big problems like vapor lock in others. Nothing with magnets, which is the subject at hand, jumped out at me. I'm not about to look at them all to see which, if any, actually use magnets. If you want to make a case for magnets increasing fuel economy please select a particular product and provide quotes where the EPA agreed with the manufacturer. I looked at the Fuel Maximiser at some length. The mfg supplied a large quantity of buzzwords about ions, and a number of testimonials. They also supplied data from a number of points without quantifying it in any way. They claimed economy improvements of 2% to 26%. The EPA begins their analysis on page 14, points out how the theory is utter nonsense and the device had no effect on either mileage or emissions in their tests. In all the reports there is a mileage increase and exaust emission improvement. However based on the study of a particular case, there is not possible to recomend nothing in a general way. Why? because there are too many engines in the road, different in size, weight, number of bangers, and so on. Please point to any of the devices where the EPA agrees with the company that it actually increases MPG or decreases emissions. Since we're on the topic of magnets, it would be nice if one of them used magnets. ALL the devices CLAIM to increase efficiency. This is an exercise on the EPA's part to determine which are scams. Like the Fuel Maximiser, for example. Lets say this : if you have a few million 1,6 liter engines made by 15 manufacturers, and get a reduction with the device of 10% in the consumption on two of the manufacturers, there is not possible to recomend it for all because the statistics. For a general conclussion the device must be tested C'mon. Do you really believe this? Don't you suppose that if strapping a couple of magnets the fuel line of a 97 Toyota Corolla 1.6 liter improved economy by 10 percent, like from 35 to 38.5 MPG that Toyota would be all over it? Do you have any idea how much money Toyota spends on fuel efficiency? On pollution controls? And they're not clever enough to figure out how magnets polarize the fuel? Or the oil companies have paid them off? They - and other automotive manufactures - may not do a lot of things we like. They build cars that are too big and too powerful and waste lots of fuel because of the size of the vehicles. But they're not so stupid as to ignore something easy like this. in a significant number of manufacturers. So, EPA do not recommend because statistical significance. By the way, they never found a device which a worst performance than without the device. Of course. But then I don't think that reversing the polarity of the magnets will inversely polarize the fuel and cut mileage either. Big improvement or small improvement, but not the opossite. And that means statistically something. Please, show us where the EPA confirmed a significant increase. I'll wait. You'll excuse me if I don't find the manufacturers claims credible, I hope. --- David - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners I'd like to see some real scientific information. Not web sites run by people selling magnets, real research. Like Bob Allen said, a peer reviewed journal would be nice. Where other scientists review claims and articles, and often times perform their own research to confirm results. Have *you* applied this and seen *any* increase in milage while changing *nothing* else? I don't mean to sound harsh, but the willingness of people to believe miracles of magnets seems overwhelming. They cure cancer, defeat gravity, energize fuel, reduce pollution, and make rainy days turn sunny. Not really, but there seem to be no end of people willing to pay good money believing such nonsense. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
OK, I took the bait. I went to the link you provided, and elected to start from the bottom and pick the first magnet device listed ... and the winner is: Super-Mag Fuel Extender. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The summary in the abstract states (and it pains me to re-type this): The EPA evaluation of the device using three vehicles showed neither fuel economy nor exhaust emissions were affected by the installation of the Super-Mag device. In addition, any differences between baseline test results and results from tests with the device installed were within the range of normal test variability. Therefore, I submit that your statement: In all the reports there is a mileage increase and exaust (sic) emission improvement. is incorrect. If you look at the detailed results for the 1976 Malibu (page 6 of the EPA report within the larger PDF document), please note that the fuel economy *fell* with the magnets installed (by 2% to 2.8%), and all emissions measured *increased* (by up to 8.7% for NOx). However, the EPA allowed that these negative results were within the range of normal variability. There is certainly nothing approaching a 10% (your figure) improvement documented anywhere in this report. If you are submitting evidence that magnets work to increase vehicle fuel economy or reduce emissions, this case does not support that contention. As for statistical significance from these results, yes, there is. This is significant proof of the null hypothesis, which in this case would be that there would be no significant effect. Given the alleged theory of operation, the opposite is not that performance would be worse, it is that the magnets would have no effect. (If the magnets could induce significantly worse performance, that would be worthy of investigation - perhaps re-orienting the magnets would lead to improved performance.) Perhaps the advocates would like to present results from an impartial third party that suggest some degree of scientific rigour and show that there are significant and repeatable beneficial results (presumably the expected outcome from using the device per the vendor). If the theory of operation is correct, also please explain why the results cannot be replicated in a specific vehicle. My previous offer stands, but perhaps not for much longer. My tolerance for this kind of misinformation and using my time to illuminate it is very limited. Darryl McMahon Andres Secco wrote: Dear David, Environment protection agency has been digging in a very serious way since 1972 and they have a complete report on all the work already made. Check this link. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm The general conclussion is they do not recomend a particular device. But if you carefully study the reports you will find the most interisting conclussions in diesel and gas engines. In all the reports there is a mileage increase and exaust emission improvement. However based on the study of a particular case, there is not possible to recomend nothing in a general way. Why? because there are too many engines in the road, different in size, weight, number of bangers, and so on. Lets say this : if you have a few million 1,6 liter engines made by 15 manufacturers, and get a reduction with the device of 10% in the consumption on two of the manufacturers, there is not possible to recomend it for all because the statistics. For a general conclussion the device must be tested in a significant number of manufacturers. So, EPA do not recommend because statistical significance. By the way, they never found a device which a worst performance than without the device. Big improvement or small improvement, but not the opossite. And that means statistically something. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners I'd like to see some real scientific information. Not web sites run by people selling magnets, real research. Like Bob Allen said, a peer reviewed journal would be nice. Where other scientists review claims and articles, and often times perform their own research to confirm results. Have *you* applied this and seen *any* increase in milage while changing *nothing* else? I don't mean to sound harsh, but the willingness of people to believe miracles of magnets seems overwhelming. They cure cancer, defeat gravity, energize fuel, reduce pollution, and make rainy days turn sunny. Not really, but there seem to be no end of people willing to pay good money believing such nonsense. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the
Re: [Biofuel] Magnets
For the magnet enthusiast this might get your engine revving. Model T Magnetic Engine 04/06/97 http://www.keelynet.com/energy/ford.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
I am so sorry to say that nothing you can eat will stop the heavy metals contamination if they are in your food or water. The reason why heavy metals content is limited in water and/or food to 20 ppm (parts per million)is the fact that Mercury or Lead (also others) accumulate in the organism and precipitate in the body tissues promoting cancer growth. In fact it is VERY dangerousto believe that are defended by such foods. - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release Hi Mike and All, I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for lead. Tom Irwin From: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report ReleaseThe mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been reduced 99.9% from what it was a few yearsago (I researched this a few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the rightsupplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the actual vial being used!! Ifound that out while dealing with the local County Health Clinic dispensing the Vaccinesrecently.Of course that begs the next question of what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keepthe vaccine and flu shots sterile and presumably safe!Mike McGinnessMargo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the things we humans have come up with so far. I still think the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. Young Living has some very interesting information in some of their latest studies. - Original Message - From: "Mike McGinness" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior comments: I almost forgot the really big, big BIG issue. All silver colored dental fillings are currently still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50% raw mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, We are probably the single largest unregulated source of mercury emissions in the environment! Thanks to the FDA! Mike McGinness Michael Redler wrote: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:26:10 -0500 Subject: [renewable-energy] Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release Fellow enviros, For almost two years, we've been gathering hair samples from Greenpeace supporters across the country. On February 8, we released the results of our nationwide mercury study, http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/mercury-report and the results are alarming. Over *one in five* women of childbearing age tested above the limit the Environmental Protection Agency set as safe. The even more chilling news is that earlier this year in his State of the Union speechhttp://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to Congress, President Bush called for more energy investment in dirty fossil fuels, including coal, the largest source of mercury pollution in the country. Tell Congress that America doesn't need more coal and mercuryhttp://members.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=80ref_source=listsmercury to be spewed into our environment, our waterways and our bodies. A healthy, sustainable energy futures begins with increased investments in clean, renewable energy, not dirty fossil fuels. Best, Nick Greenpeace www.greenpeaceusa.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] == THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY LIST. -- . Please feel free to send your input to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Join the list by sending a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. To view previous messages from the list, subscribe to a daily digest of the list, or stop receiving the list by e-mail (and read it on the Web), go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/list/renewable-energy . . This e-mail discussion list is managed by the American Wind Energy
