Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
Jason Katie, Let's see if this works: Adolf Hitler. Now all I have to do is wait a couple minutes and see if I can read it when I get the email from the list. By the way, Dhajoglo, that's AH. -John On May 25, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Jason Katie wrote: most mail scanners won't write out his name, or will blank it out as such H* but he was the despot of Germany in the late 1930's and committed suicide in the mid '40's after playing a very VERY large part in starting WW2 and losing. he was a racist and a fool, and caused a lot of trouble. almost as much trouble as america is causing today. this is why we equate the present american Commander in Thief to AH - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS Who is AH? I don't catch your reference? On Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:13 PM, Jason Katie wrote: wouldnt this be the 4th? i mean AH did finally fail, so the shrub would be the 4th. I always thought a good shirt would read: Secret Prisons, Cost: 1 Billion Dollars Illegally Kidnapping Foreign Citizens, Cost: 10 Billion Dollars Illegally Spying on Your Citizens, Cost: 20 Billion Transforming the US into the Third Reich: Priceless There are some things money can buy, for everything else there's Dick, Donald, and Dubya. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Energy Problem Solved! Here Comes theTurboencabulator!
So what happens when the left rear geodex valve explodes, scattering nanoparticles into the warp engines?? Scotty has to fix it. Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Don't need a Weatherman to know which way the windblows
They might have been the ones who blew a 6 foot diameter hole in the Univ of Washington's admin building entrance back in the late 60's. I saw the hole and it was above the school's computer in the basement. Lots of damage. They would disrupt classes too by stomping in, shout a 30 second speech and leaving. Also someone set fire to the ROTC building. Maybe it was them? They were trying desperately to wake us all up, but went a too far with the bombing and the fire. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Don't need a Weatherman to know which way the windblows They blew up a bunch of government buildings to try to stop the vietnam war. I think the only people they ever killed was two of their own when their lab in Philly blew up, but i'm not sure about that. Funny thing is that only one or two of them ever went to jail because they broke into the FBI offices and stole all of the records they had on them. http://www.upstatefilms.org/weather/ is the documentary that recently came out. Z On 5/25/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that but I can't remember them. Mike Redler wrote: Did somebody say Weathermen? The sixties and seventies were a fascinating time in our history whether you agreed with a particular ideology or not. If I had some cash to spend, I'd go to Pacifica radio and build an audio collection of interviews and speeches. Bobby Seale Huey Newton Abbie Hoffman Martin Luther King Jr. Malcolm X Mumia Leonard Peltier George Jackson etc., etc. Some of those who struggled then are still speaking out today - albeit from a prison cell. Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey! I wasn't born till '78, but I know what Kent state was, the weathermen, the moon shot, vietnam war, and alot of the stuff you are talking about. I didn't experience them, but isn't that why they teach history in school? Or do they? I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. Zeke [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: Native American Code of Ethics
Bright Stars! This came from the Kucinich4President yahoo group and I was moved to pass it on. I am embarrassed that I am not a better example of the integrity of thought and action that it embodies. Good still to read and be inspired and motivated by the thoughts. peace light, jeannie :: Native American Code of Ethics1. Rise with the sun to pray. Pray alone. Pray often. The Great Spirit will listen,ifyou only speak. 2. Be tolerant of those who are lost on their path. Ignorance, conceit, anger, jealousy and greed stem from a lost soul. Pray that they will find guidance.3. Search for yourself, by yourself. Do not allow others to make your path for you. It is your road, and yours alone. Others may walk it with you, but no one can walk it for you. 4. Treat the guests in your home with much consideration. Serve them the best food, give them the best bed and treat them with respect and honor. 5. Do not take what is not yours whether from a person, a community, the wilderness or from a culture. It was not earned nor given. It is not yours.6. Respect all things that are placed upon this earth - whether it be people or plant.7. Honor other people's thoughts, wishes and words. Never interrupt another or mock or rudely mimic them. Allow each person the right to personal _expression_. 8. Never speak of others in a bad way. The negative energy that you put out into the universe will multiply when it returns to you. 9. All persons make mistakes. And all mistakes can be forgiven. 10. Bad thoughts cause illness of the mind, body and spirit. Practice optimism. 11. Nature is not FOR us, it is a PART of us. They are part of your worldly family. 12. Children are the seeds of our future. Plant love in their hearts and water them with wisdom and life's lessons. When they are grown, give them space to grow. 13. Avoid hurting the hearts of others. The poison of your pain will return to you. 14. Be truthful at all times. Honesty is the test of one's will within this universe. 15. Keep yourself balanced. Your Mental self, Spiritual self, Emotional self, and Physical self - all need to be strong, pure and healthy. Work out the body to strengthen the mind. Grow rich in spirit to cure emotional ails. 16. Make conscious decisions as to who you will be and how you will react. Be responsible for your own actions.17. Respect the privacy and personal space of others. Do not touch the personal property of others - especially sacred and religious objects. This is forbidden. 18. Be true to yourself first. You cannot nurture and help others if you cannot nurture and help yourself first. 19. Respect others religious beliefs. Do not force your belief on others. 20. Share your good fortune with others. Participate in charity.Shared by Ray Lookingglass To learn more about the Algonkian family of tribes and their languages, please visit:http://www.native-languages.org/famalg.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Native American Code of Ethics
Here is something else "those savages" came up with: Constitution of the Iroquois Nation http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/IroCons.html "The representative democracy of the Iroquois was extensively studied and praised by Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, who proposed it as the basis for the United States Constitution. In a backhanded compliment at the Albany Congress in 1754, Franklin said he found it hard to believe that the 13 colonies could not agree to a political union when "Six Nations of ignorant savages" had formed one." From: Constitution Convention Commission Archives http://www.cherokee.org/home.aspx?section=CommissionsCommission=CCC Mike D. Mindock wrote: Bright Stars! This came from the Kucinich4President yahoo group and I was moved to pass it on. I am embarrassed that I am not a better example of the integrity of thought and action that it embodies. Good still to read and be inspired and motivated by the thoughts. peace light, jeannie :: Native American Code of Ethics 1. Rise with the sun to pray. Pray alone. Pray often. The Great Spirit will listen, if you only speak. 2. Be tolerant of those who are lost on their path. Ignorance, conceit, anger, jealousy and greed stem from a lost soul. Pray that they will find guidance. 3. Search for yourself, by yourself. Do not allow others to make your path for you. It is your road, and yours alone. Others may walk it with you, but no one can walk it for you. 4. Treat the guests in your home with much consideration. Serve them the best food, give them the best bed and treat them with respect and honor. 5. Do not take what is not yours whether from a person, a community, the wilderness or from a culture. It was not earned nor given. It is not yours. 6. Respect all things that are placed upon this earth - whether it be people or plant. 7. Honor other people's thoughts, wishes and words. Never interrupt another or mock or rudely mimic them. Allow each person the right to personal _expression_. 8. Never speak of others in a bad way. The negative energy that you put out into the universe will multiply when it returns to you. 9. All persons make mistakes. And all mistakes can be forgiven. 10. Bad thoughts cause illness of the mind, body and spirit. Practice optimism. 11. Nature is not FOR us, it is a PART of us. They are part of your worldly family. 12. Children are the seeds of our future. Plant love in their hearts and water them with wisdom and life's lessons. When they are grown, give them space to grow. 13. Avoid hurting the hearts of others. The poison of your pain will return to you. 14. Be truthful at all times. Honesty is the test of one's will within this universe. 15. Keep yourself balanced. Your Mental self, Spiritual self, Emotional self, and Physical self - all need to be strong, pure and healthy. Work out the body to strengthen the mind. Grow rich in spirit to cure emotional ails. 16. Make conscious decisions as to who you will be and how you will react. Be responsible for your own actions. 17. Respect the privacy and personal space of others. Do not touch the personal property of others - especially sacred and religious objects. This is forbidden. 18. Be true to yourself first. You cannot nurture and help others if you cannot nurture and help yourself first. 19. Respect others religious beliefs. Do not force your belief on others. 20. Share your good fortune with others. Participate in charity. Shared by Ray Lookingglass To learn more about the Algonkian family of tribes and their languages, please visit: http://www.native-languages.org/famalg.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Meanwhile, in the land of the free:
First Lady Laura Bush flew from Washington to New York and instead of flying Air Force One, she took the Delta Shuttle. The first lady said she did this because unlike Air Force One, commercial airlines are cheaper, they waste less gas, and she doesn't get stuck sitting next to a dumb guy. --Conan O'Brien Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert arrived in Washington to meet with President Bush. He's talking with President Bush about the Israeli-Palestinian border and believe me, if there's anyone you want border advice from, it's President Bush. --Jay Leno I guess Vicente Fox wanted to get here before we tighten the immigration laws. ... Even though President Fox has only been in the United States two days, today the INS said they have no way to find him. --Jay Leno The Mexican government has been accused of encouraging its citizens to illegally immigrate to the United States. They say they're not. I'm not so sure. Someone sent me a picture of this sign in Mexico [on screen: Salma Hayek. 90 miles]. --Jay Leno As many as 26 and a half million veterans reported at risk for identity theft after someone stole a computer disk containing their names, birth dates and social security numbers. Why aren't these files put somewhere where no one can find them, like the same place where we keep President Bush’s National Guard records? --Jay Leno As you may have heard, Louisiana Congressman William Jefferson was caught on tape taking a $100,000 bribe and then the FBI found $90,000 in cash in his freezer. Jefferson said he didn't do anything wrong. He said he just fell in with the wrong crowd. You know, other congressmen. --Jay Leno Today the FBI searched Ted Kennedy’s freezer -- found 90,000 frozen daiquiris. --Jay Leno Hillary Clinton called for Americans to save gas by returning to the 55 mile per hour speed limit. ... I'm not going to believe she's serious about saving gas until I see her and Bill actually drive somewhere together in the same car. --Jay Leno The Federal Trade Commission said today they did not find any signs, no signs that the oil industry illegally manipulated gas prices. They also found no signs of steroid use in baseball, there was no gang activity in Los Angeles and Kenny Rogers had no plastic surgery whatsoever. --Jay Leno Let's see what's new with New Jersey Governor Jim 'Keep On Truckin' McGreevy. ... Former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevy has written a book where he said he used to cruise highway rest stops looking to have anonymous sex with gay truckers. ... At what point do you stop having anonymous sex at truck stops and say to yourself I'm tired of this, I'd rather be governor? --Jay Leno McGreevy said he came out of the closet when he realized where this sort of lifestyle would lead -- marriage to Liza Minelli. --Jay Leno A New Jersey company has developed an inhaler they say increases sex drive in women. They say it stimulates the brain to make you want to have sex with your partner. It's an inhaler. You know what the means? One day on the campaign trail, Hillary may be able to claim she never inhaled either. --Jay Leno Down in Washington, D.C. earlier today, it was so hot. It was so hot in Washington that one congressman actually got into the freezer with his bribe money. --David Letterman The president of Mexico has arrived in the U.S., thanks to some nifty fence climbing. ... I thought this was encouraging. He offered to take President Bush's job for $3 an hour cash. --David Letterman You know about this former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevy? He's got a new gay memoir. ... I believe it's called the 'Versace Code.' --David Letterman Osama Bin Laden ... sent over another one of those videotapes -- chilling, chilling. In the videotape, he boasts that we will never find him or Jimmy Hoffa --David Letterman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Late Night in US
Whoa...fun with Latin. Mike Jason Katie wrote: yes, to put it fairly bluntly, hes got the gourd in the gutter. - Original Message - From: Johnathan Corgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Late Night in US Mike Redler wrote: This person clearly has a case of Encephalomalacia with extreme back strain and trauma to the lower GI tract (further explanation upon request). This must be closely related to recto-cranial inversion syndrome. -Johnathan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows
Blowing up building to stop violence is like f*cking for chastity. Mike Fighting for Peace Weaver Zeke Yewdall wrote: They blew up a bunch of government buildings to try to stop the vietnam war. I think the only people they ever killed was two of their own when their lab in Philly blew up, but i'm not sure about that. Funny thing is that only one or two of them ever went to jail because they broke into the FBI offices and stole all of the records they had on them. http://www.upstatefilms.org/weather/ is the documentary that recently came out. Z On 5/25/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that but I can't remember them. Mike Redler wrote: Did somebody say Weathermen? The sixties and seventies were a fascinating time in our history whether you agreed with a particular ideology or not. If I had some cash to spend, I'd go to Pacifica radio and build an audio collection of interviews and speeches. Bobby Seale Huey Newton Abbie Hoffman Martin Luther King Jr. Malcolm X Mumia Leonard Peltier George Jackson etc., etc. Some of those who struggled then are still speaking out today - albeit from a prison cell. Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey! I wasn't born till '78, but I know what Kent state was, the weathermen, the moon shot, vietnam war, and alot of the stuff you are talking about. I didn't experience them, but isn't that why they teach history in school? Or do they? I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. Zeke [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
I've driven one - nice but pokey. How many miles? I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder? If it's been sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent. If it has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder NA diesel is going to be slooowww. Good luck! Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey everyone I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a 2.2 liter NA diesel engine. I was just wondering if any of you (Keith?) have experience with this. It'll be run on B100 of course (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in there). It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first one. No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.
Jim, Let's review: You said: "A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you stop? Ban all forms of trade?" I don't think it's unusual for anyone to think that you're writing in the context of "all forms of trade" and about a corporation as "only a form of business" followed by a list of other forms of business (including the baker, I'd imagine). But, let's not focus too much on that because it gets better. As your rambling on about corruption, you're completely missing the point. It's legal to pay an employee minimum wage (below the poverty line), lobby for anti-union legislation and take away pension benefits when a company goes into dire straits due to mismanagement. So, by definition, it doesn't require corporate corruption to exploit workers - just a clear understanding of the law. Earlier in this thread, I wrote: "The only thing that can fight the devastating effects of corporate greed is public consensus and a movement built from that consensus." and "We have become such a patriarchal society that we just hope that the "character" of our leader is to our liking - and that's nauseating." Then, you wrote: "...it would require an increadibly fair wise and just King or some other form of goernment that could regulate without corruption LOL" A King (as in a "patriarchal society")? It makes me curious to know what's happening in YOUR mind. Mike JJJN wrote: Mike, Mike Redler wrote: Jim, Your statement puts all forms of business into one category (i.e. IBM with the village baker) and redirects the discussion toward all forms of trade. This is a direction that I won't be led into. No it does not, that happens in your mind, but it does put COKE energy and Enron in the same boat along with many of these BIG forms of Government. Corruption and greed are not unique to Corporations only thats what I am saying. (that includes the Baker) The point I made directly addresses the wealth and power accumulated as human labor becomes a commodity and corporate executives become the beneficiary of that commodity. The less labor costs, the more profit is made. More importantly, when money and power reach the highest levels of government and do so as a representative of businesses who profit from cheap labor, what's left to protect working families? But this is a function of free enterprize and to eliminate it would require an increadibly fair wise and just King or some other form of goernment that could regulate without corruption LOL As I said before, corporate executives who are paid hundreds of times more than the salary of their employees, are living proof of the imbalance which big business imposes on a government (supposedly) created to protect all of it's citizens. Thats right. I am not blind I know who really runs US and the UK and all the other countrys that exist on this globe. So whats the answer? Is there one? Jim Mike JJJN wrote: Mike, A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you stop? Ban all forms of trade? I don't like the greed and abuse either, but I am practical enough to understand that not every Corporation is run by an evil twin to Enron. I also understand what you are saying that there need to be much stiffer reforms in place to legislate ethics to those that are running many of them. But some how I just don't have the faith that people will wake up, and if they do I think it will be to late. Jim Michael Redler wrote: Jim wrote: "I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a profit when it means prosperity for all." *Divided World: Rich Live Longer, Poor Die Younger* http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-01.htm Those who want wealth, will have it. Since there is no individual who's work represents hundreds of times the value of his/her employees, you arrive at two simple conclusions - that corporations are a means of building wealth off the backs of others and that those who own those corporations are obsessed with building empires and monuments to themselves, off the backs of others. The size of a corporation is a measure of the ambition to build that empire and monument. The only thing that can fight the devastating effects of corporate greed is public consensus and a movement built from that consensus. The sooner that greed effects public policy and makes enough people suffer, the sooner the public will wake up to what's going on around them and react to it. Mike */JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I really don't mind
Re: [Biofuel] MIKesol pretreatment and washing
Well ya that's me on Ebay too silly. But I thought people were more scientific here so I could charge more for it. It's a little trick I learned from Revlon. Cheers Joe Mike Weaver wrote: Dear Mr. Smartypants Street: Ebay is selling THE EXACT SAME Orthagonal magnets for 399.00! So your little scheme won't work. We're on to you. Joe Street wrote: Outrage is not allowed. BTW kitty litter is EXPENSIVE. Orthagonal magnets are permanent and work better anyways. A one time up front investment of 1000 dollars or 4 easy payments of 599.99 and you can make all the fuel you will ever need from ditch swill. Forget about veggie oil. Those days are over. Taking orders nowand if you call now you get a free magnetic water softener. Limited time offer. Call now. J Mike Weaver wrote: Well, I for one am completely outraged about every single post in the last two years. Besides, if you people haven't figured out you can wash biodisel with kitty litter and skip the water all together, well, it's not as if I didn't warn you. I will be taking out a patent on this and selling it on Ebay so the list and JtF will soon be irrelevant. Mike soon to be a large faceless corporation Weaver Keith Addison wrote: Chris Bennett was certainly angry. He posted his last message and I just got the notice that he unsubscribed shortly afterwards, before I posted my reply, below. That's ridiculous. Oh well. Best of luck to him. Best Keith Hello Chris Keith Addison wrote: You seem rather cross, Chris. Not at all, lol, :-) If you insist. Try reading it again (like you had to read what I'd said again - but I think you should read that again too). Very common to back off and use an lol as a cover when people overreact. There's a wide disconnect between what I said and your angry response to it, and now you're trying to stretch what I said to cover the gap. Lots of confusion as a result, and my original post that you're interpreting every which way rather than reading the damn' thing has gone missing in action, so I'll put it back, here it is: Something to add might be whether Magnesol really does give the same results. If it's time-saving that's the aim there are ways round that without becoming more dependent on anyone. I don't accept it gives better-quality results unless maybe you're starting with a poorly completed product, in which case the magnesol is just masking the problem (like mist-washing). You can easily get within the standard specs with well-made homebrew biodiesel plus a few hours spent stir-washing it. If you GC'd the result and compared it with a sample of the same batch of homebrew dry-washed with Magnesol, what would it show? Has anybody seen such results? Okay? I just get the impression :-) It's wasn't a very impressionistic piece of writing. that it was you opinion that using anything other than water for cleaning biodiesel was a big 'no no'. The way your response came across read to me like that. I apologise if I misread you. Apology accepted, but you still are misreading it. If you still see it as a dismissal rather than a question then I'd have to ask why you dislike the question so much. Biofuels makes the best sense when production is localised and therefore necessarily adapted to local conditions (even the US military thinks that these days). That means the Appropriate Technology approach, and *that* means K.I.S.S., on the one hand, and optimal use of locally available, renewable resources on the other, such as water - whether it's scarce or not is a local condition and doesn't change the principle. So, yes, there will be resistance to relying on anything extra that doesn't meet those criteria, especially if top-quality fuel production is a simple matter without it. If you're not aware of this background then that's your problem. Finding it introduced when you're not expecting it may not be a pleasant surprise, but concluding that it means we don't do biofuels discussions here and you might as well go somewhere else with your nose in the air is kind of preposterous. But it's up to you of course, feel free. I reached no such conclusion. I expressed a valid doubt and asked for some evidence. The burden of proof is not on me nor on the consumer when the makers of a commercial product make claims for it, it's on them. I don't accept it gives better-quality results unless maybe you're starting with a poorly completed product, in which case the magnesol is just masking the problem (like mist-washing). I read this as you opinion Not so. If I'd said it doesn't give better-quality results, that would be an opinion. But I said I didn't accept it and asked for test results that would tell one
Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.
The Philosopher King Mike Redler wrote: Jim, Let's review: You said: A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you stop? Ban all forms of trade? I don't think it's unusual for anyone to think that you're writing in the context of all forms of trade and about a corporation as only a form of business followed by a list of other forms of business (including the baker, I'd imagine). But, let's not focus too much on that because it gets better. As your rambling on about corruption, you're completely missing the point. It's legal to pay an employee minimum wage (below the poverty line), lobby for anti-union legislation and take away pension benefits when a company goes into dire straits due to mismanagement. So, by definition, it doesn't require corporate corruption to exploit workers - just a clear understanding of the law. Earlier in this thread, I wrote: The only thing that can fight the devastating effects of corporate greed is public consensus and a movement built from that consensus. and We have become such a patriarchal society that we just hope that the character of our leader is to our liking - and that's nauseating. Then, you wrote: ...it would require an increadibly fair wise and just King or some other form of goernment that could regulate without corruption LOL A King (as in a patriarchal society)? It makes me curious to know what's happening in YOUR mind. Mike JJJN wrote: Mike, Mike Redler wrote: Jim, Your statement puts all forms of business into one category (i.e. IBM with the village baker) and redirects the discussion toward all forms of trade. This is a direction that I won't be led into. No it does not, that happens in your mind, but it does put COKE energy and Enron in the same boat along with many of these BIG forms of Government. Corruption and greed are not unique to Corporations only thats what I am saying. (that includes the Baker) The point I made directly addresses the wealth and power accumulated as human labor becomes a commodity and corporate executives become the beneficiary of that commodity. The less labor costs, the more profit is made. More importantly, when money and power reach the highest levels of government and do so as a representative of businesses who profit from cheap labor, what's left to protect working families? But this is a function of free enterprize and to eliminate it would require an increadibly fair wise and just King or some other form of goernment that could regulate without corruption LOL As I said before, corporate executives who are paid hundreds of times more than the salary of their employees, are living proof of the imbalance which big business imposes on a government (supposedly) created to protect all of it's citizens. Thats right. I am not blind I know who really runs US and the UK and all the other countrys that exist on this globe. So whats the answer? Is there one? Jim Mike JJJN wrote: Mike, A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you stop? Ban all forms of trade? I don't like the greed and abuse either, but I am practical enough to understand that not every Corporation is run by an evil twin to Enron. I also understand what you are saying that there need to be much stiffer reforms in place to legislate ethics to those that are running many of them. But some how I just don't have the faith that people will wake up, and if they do I think it will be to late. Jim Michael Redler wrote: Jim wrote: I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a profit when it means prosperity for all. *Divided World: Rich Live Longer, Poor Die Younger* http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-01.htm Those who want wealth, will have it. Since there is no individual who's work represents hundreds of times the value of his/her employees, you arrive at two simple conclusions - that corporations are a means of building wealth off the backs of others and that those who own those corporations are obsessed with building empires and monuments to themselves, off the backs of others. The size of a corporation is a measure of the ambition to build that empire and monument. The only thing that can fight the devastating effects of corporate greed is public consensus and a movement built from that consensus. The sooner that greed effects public policy and makes enough people suffer, the sooner the public will wake up to what's going on around them and react to it. Mike */JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I really don't mind
[Biofuel] Initiative in Pa, USA
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[Biofuel] biodiesel polymerization
Hydroquinone has long been used as a polymerization inhibitor in chemicals containing unsaturation. An example is vinyl acetate where 10 ppm seems to prevent it. Has anyone tried it in biodiesel? Its fairly cheap and used mainly in photography. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Many Facets of the White House's Propaganda Machine
I wonder if Rupert Murdoch has shares in this company. -Mike U.S. video game angers Chavez allies By Reuters Game simulates military invasion of an oil-rich South American nation, according to company scheduled to release it. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6077243.html?tag=sas.email ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
Hello. That pickup model Hi-Lux with the 2.2 L NA, IDI engine, with the long bed, rear wheel drive, was the first pickup I drove for many years. It has a long living engine in a light body, its consumption is around 8 liters/100 Km in road, and in city traffic 10 liters/100 Km. its top speed was around 125 Km/h. Its acceleration was like a family car when empty but it was really disappointing at its full capacity of 1 Ton. We used that vehicle on asphalt, muddy, country roads or at the farm off road. The engine lasted around 400,000 Km before rebuilding, later after another 400,000 Km on it my, father sold it. That diesel engine was offered as well as an option for the Cressida Car of the '80s and then came the Hi-Lux and the Cressida with the 2.4 L NA engine with a wider and heavier body and consumption went up. There is a not so widespread Hi-Lux pickup long bed 4-wheel drive model, with the same engine from the same period of time, it is heavier and its consumption is around 9,5 liters/100 Km in road. One of them my father in law used and it was very good for off-road purposes, he called it the small tractor the suspension is very rigid. Many Hi-Lux pickups of that model were sold here, the problem I had was its gear box stick that became too loose, around each 200,000 Km of use, we have to replace some plastics brushing working as bearings that collapsed. The are some of them in working condition around but please check first its chassis or frame specially in the middle section, many here have to be welded there because of corrosion, overload and bad roads. Best Regards. Juan From: Zeke Yewdall [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05/25/2006 22:00 For:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:[Biofuel] Old toyota diesel Hey everyone I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a 2.2 liter NA diesel engine. I was just wondering if any of you (Keith?) have experience with this. It'll be run on B100 of course (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in there). It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first one. No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
some serious historian correct me if i'm 'way off -- but i think AH's use of The Reich was a sop to German nationalism, or empires (ironic, since he was not of German extraction himself, until he so decreed). This is not meant as a slur on today's Germany [ we USA'ans have NO business casting stones, anyway -- suffering in shameful acquiescence under the yoke of the shrub/chainey/rummy PNAC cabal AND our own horrific history]. The comparison to AH's methodology is Very accurate -- deeply disturbing. Regards Allen (E. Allen C.) --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wouldnt this be the 4th? i mean AH did finally fail, so the shrub would be the 4th. - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS I always thought a good shirt would read: Secret Prisons, Cost: 1 Billion Dollars Illegally Kidnapping Foreign Citizens, Cost: 10 Billion Dollars Illegally Spying on Your Citizens, Cost: 20 Billion Transforming the US into the Third Reich: Priceless There are some things money can buy, for everything else there's Dick, Donald, and Dubya. On Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:06 AM, Joe Street wrote: Actually I know this is a bit of a joke but I bought some t-shirts lately. One is a hoody with a silhouette of the shrub and a swastika on his forehead and the caption 'WAR CRIMINAL' another has a pic of the shrub and the caption INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST as well as the Dick is a killer t-shirt I mentioned before. I work in an educational institution so I have to be serious about the impression I make on young minds. I wear these shirts as often as possible. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
Adolph Hitler -- at the risk of making it onto the NSA's master database -- but then, i've used PNAC cabal in the same sentence, too. Aarrgh! :-)~ E. Allen C. --- DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is AH? I don't catch your reference? On Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:13 PM, Jason Katie wrote: wouldnt this be the 4th? i mean AH did finally fail, so the shrub would be the 4th. I always thought a good shirt would read: Secret Prisons, Cost: 1 Billion Dollars Illegally Kidnapping Foreign Citizens, Cost: 10 Billion Dollars Illegally Spying on Your Citizens, Cost: 20 Billion Transforming the US into the Third Reich: Priceless There are some things money can buy, for everything else there's Dick, Donald, and Dubya. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel polymerization
Any hazardous combustion byproducts? harlan hamlow wrote: Hydroquinone has long been used as a polymerization inhibitor in chemicals containing unsaturation. An example is vinyl acetate where 10 ppm seems to prevent it. Has anyone tried it in biodiesel? Its fairly cheap and used mainly in photography. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel polymerization
Doesn't look great Possible carcinogen and known allergensee MSDS http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/HY/hydroquinone.html J Joe Street wrote: Any hazardous combustion byproducts? harlan hamlow wrote: Hydroquinone has long been used as a polymerization inhibitor in chemicals containing unsaturation. An example is vinyl acetate where 10 ppm seems to prevent it. Has anyone tried it in biodiesel? Its fairly cheap and used mainly in photography. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k shown on the odometer may be original. Or maybe 188k. But I think that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn out. The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though. I think I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test, and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them out, and see if that helps. On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've driven one - nice but pokey. How many miles? I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder? If it's been sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent. If it has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder NA diesel is going to be slooowww. Good luck! Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey everyone I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a 2.2 liter NA diesel engine. I was just wondering if any of you (Keith?) have experience with this. It'll be run on B100 of course (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in there). It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first one. No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel polymerization
co2 and water --- Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any hazardous combustion byproducts? harlan hamlow wrote: Hydroquinone has long been used as a polymerization inhibitor in chemicals containing unsaturation. An example is vinyl acetate where 10 ppm seems to prevent it. Has anyone tried it in biodiesel? Its fairly cheap and used mainly in photography. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How much water is used to produce ethanol? Please
I googled ethanol faq, visited this group's archives along with JtF webpage. In the event the answer to may question was there I evidently scrolling by it. ethanol is hoped to be the savior of the family farm here in Western Kansas. Recently a letter to the editor made some claims of how much water was needed/used to produce one gallon of ethanol. Due to that I', looking for evidence of how much water is really used. Facilities to produce ethanol have been built, are being built, the construction of more being planned for. Water is an issue here so how much water could we expect to use in the processing of grain into ethanol? I don't know if it makes a difference,some plants where built with using Milo (grain sorghum). Milo being selected because it does well when dry land farmed. Thanks... -- Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Police Brutality in Ohio
I wonder what you may have not learnt that you were supposed to learn. Keith I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. A very high probability factor to that thought process... Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey! I wasn't born till '78, but I know what Kent state was, the weathermen, the moon shot, vietnam war, and alot of the stuff you are talking about. I didn't experience them, but isn't that why they teach history in school? Or do they? I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. Zeke On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith asked below: If you say Kent State in the US now, does it still carry that connotation? That's all it means to me and I'm sure a great many others, but does it still mean anything in the US, or is it just the name of a college now? Keith, The younger generations under say about 45 years now were to young or not born yet to remember it and it is rarely if ever discussed now. Most of them have never heard of Kent State. I actually still have an authentic Kent State T-Shirt, but unfortunately it is about 6 sizes to small for me now. My older brother was teaching Physics at Ohio State Univ back in those days and sent me one here in Houston when I was barely a teenager (8th-9th grade?) anxiously waiting for my turn in the meat grinder when I turned 18. How quickly we forget. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Police Brutality in Ohio
Well, I hear that public high schools involve alot of drug use, sex, hazing, peer pressure to be cool, etc... I missed out on all that till college. On 5/26/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what you may have not learnt that you were supposed to learn. Keith I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. A very high probability factor to that thought process... Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey! I wasn't born till '78, but I know what Kent state was, the weathermen, the moon shot, vietnam war, and alot of the stuff you are talking about. I didn't experience them, but isn't that why they teach history in school? Or do they? I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. Zeke On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith asked below: If you say Kent State in the US now, does it still carry that connotation? That's all it means to me and I'm sure a great many others, but does it still mean anything in the US, or is it just the name of a college now? Keith, The younger generations under say about 45 years now were to young or not born yet to remember it and it is rarely if ever discussed now. Most of them have never heard of Kent State. I actually still have an authentic Kent State T-Shirt, but unfortunately it is about 6 sizes to small for me now. My older brother was teaching Physics at Ohio State Univ back in those days and sent me one here in Houston when I was barely a teenager (8th-9th grade?) anxiously waiting for my turn in the meat grinder when I turned 18. How quickly we forget. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
looks like it worked on this end. no editing or anything. - Original Message - From: John Beale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS Jason Katie, Let's see if this works: Adolf Hitler. Now all I have to do is wait a couple minutes and see if I can read it when I get the email from the list. By the way, Dhajoglo, that's AH. -John On May 25, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Jason Katie wrote: most mail scanners won't write out his name, or will blank it out as such H* but he was the despot of Germany in the late 1930's and committed suicide in the mid '40's after playing a very VERY large part in starting WW2 and losing. he was a racist and a fool, and caused a lot of trouble. almost as much trouble as america is causing today. this is why we equate the present american Commander in Thief to AH - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS Who is AH? I don't catch your reference? On Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:13 PM, Jason Katie wrote: wouldnt this be the 4th? i mean AH did finally fail, so the shrub would be the 4th. I always thought a good shirt would read: Secret Prisons, Cost: 1 Billion Dollars Illegally Kidnapping Foreign Citizens, Cost: 10 Billion Dollars Illegally Spying on Your Citizens, Cost: 20 Billion Transforming the US into the Third Reich: Priceless There are some things money can buy, for everything else there's Dick, Donald, and Dubya. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 5/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Police Brutality in Ohio
drug use, sex, Yeah, now you're making me all nostalgic... Zeke Yewdall wrote: Well, I hear that public high schools involve alot of drug use, sex, hazing, peer pressure to be cool, etc... I missed out on all that till college. On 5/26/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what you may have not learnt that you were supposed to learn. Keith I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. A very high probability factor to that thought process... Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey! I wasn't born till '78, but I know what Kent state was, the weathermen, the moon shot, vietnam war, and alot of the stuff you are talking about. I didn't experience them, but isn't that why they teach history in school? Or do they? I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. Zeke On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith asked below: If you say Kent State in the US now, does it still carry that connotation? That's all it means to me and I'm sure a great many others, but does it still mean anything in the US, or is it just the name of a college now? Keith, The younger generations under say about 45 years now were to young or not born yet to remember it and it is rarely if ever discussed now. Most of them have never heard of Kent State. I actually still have an authentic Kent State T-Shirt, but unfortunately it is about 6 sizes to small for me now. My older brother was teaching Physics at Ohio State Univ back in those days and sent me one here in Houston when I was barely a teenager (8th-9th grade?) anxiously waiting for my turn in the meat grinder when I turned 18. How quickly we forget. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
Nah, It's not really worth all that trouble. Why don't you send it out here and I'll take it off your hands. Heck, I'll even pay the drive away company! I bet it's not a bent rod. The compression test will reveal more info... Good luck, Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k shown on the odometer may be original. Or maybe 188k. But I think that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn out. The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though. I think I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test, and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them out, and see if that helps. On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've driven one - nice but pokey. How many miles? I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder? If it's been sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent. If it has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder NA diesel is going to be slooowww. Good luck! Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey everyone I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a 2.2 liter NA diesel engine. I was just wondering if any of you (Keith?) have experience with this. It'll be run on B100 of course (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in there). It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first one. No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery
Jason Katie, I finally got around to reading the article. You're right, vacuum is the best way to regenerate the beads. Maybe a combination of vacuum and heat will work. I have a concern. The 3A molecular sieve has openings 3 angstroms in diameter. This allows water 2.8 angstroms to enter, but not ethanol 4.4 angstroms. I suspect that methanol is larger than water, but have not been able to find its diameter. It would be a real shame if the methanol molecules can also pass through the pores. Tom - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery that will work, absolutely, but i have a paper (http://www.ethanol.org/documents/Ethanol101.7.pdf) that describes passing hot alcohol vapors over 3A sieve under a slight pressure to achieve the same results. im not sure if it is any more or less efficient or simple, but it also works. and this paper also describes how and why the zeolite loses its viability after a time. if you bake it the heat breaks down the crystals. (better to use vacuum as well as heat =lower temps) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery i was researching alcohol production about a year ago, and many of the pages i visited (including JTF) suggested that wet alcohol vapors from a distillery's boiler could be passed over 3A sieve instead of normal column packing material (marbles, SS wool, ceramic rings, etc) to produce 99.5% 0r higher grade alcohol. That's not right. From the boiler it has to go through the distillation column first, and after that the distillate goes through 3A sieve. Best Keith since methanol is similar in composition to ethanol, i would wager that applies to both scenarios. use an inverted soda bottle or some similarly shaped vessel full of 3A and inject the alcohol vapors into the wide end while collecting fresh dry methanol from the narrow end. you could set up multiple cannisters for this so you always have a ready sieve while others are being re- baked. - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Thomas Kelly To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: [Biofuel] 3A molecular Sieve and Methanol recovery Hello to all, 3A molecular sieve is on its way. As I understand it, selectively absorbs water from a water-alcohol solution thereby drying the alcohol . sounds too good to be true. In my previous attempt at recovering methanol from the crude glycerine split from the glycerine cocktail, a combination of greed and stupidity on my part resulted in methanol w. water in it. (Water in Recovered Methanol? 4/28/06). I've tweaked the condenser. I've tied the cooling of methanol vapors ( much hot water) to my wash tank. Will use the hot water generated by the cooling of methanol to washing a batch of BD. I will keep close eye on temp. and be patient. Do not allow the temp to rise above 160F until distillation stops at this temp. Distillate produced in 150 - 160F range was mostly methanol. Temp increase seemed to slow down at 150F. I take this to mean a phase change is occurring (added heat is converting liquid Methanol to gaseous Methanol). Above 160F temp seemed to rise more quickly. I take this to mean that much of the methanol is gone. My plan is to have 4 containers, each with 5 lbs (~ 2.24 Kg) of 3A molecular sieve. Allow 2 gallons of distillate to flow into each container. Occasionally swirl the contents of the containers over the next 24 hrs. I'll strain out the 3A molecular sieve and re-weigh. If it works, I should be able to dry the methanol and from the changes in mass of the molecular sieve, get a sense of the actual volume of methanol I can reasonably hope to recover from a given volume of crude glycerine. I also hope to get a sense of the temp cut-off point. As I understand it, 3A molecular Sieve will absorb about 25% of its weight in water. If, for example the molecular sieve in container 1 (1st 2 gal distillate) increases by 5%, the next by 8%, the next by 15%, and the last by 25%, and additional Mol. Sieve continues to gain mass, I would think that 6 or 7 gallons of methanol is a reasonable expectation for the volume of co-product I'm distilling. Suggestions ... including Stop, you have it all wrong! would be appreciated. It's tues. Friday looks like a good day to brew; Saturday, to wash/distill. There's time for suggestions. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
I paid for it today, and will have it towed to a friends house next week, so I can do the compression test... On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah, It's not really worth all that trouble. Why don't you send it out here and I'll take it off your hands. Heck, I'll even pay the drive away company! I bet it's not a bent rod. The compression test will reveal more info... Good luck, Mike Zeke Yewdall wrote: Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k shown on the odometer may be original. Or maybe 188k. But I think that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn out. The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though. I think I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test, and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them out, and see if that helps. On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've driven one - nice but pokey. How many miles? I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder? If it's been sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent. If it has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder NA diesel is going to be slooowww. Good luck! Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey everyone I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a 2.2 liter NA diesel engine. I was just wondering if any of you (Keith?) have experience with this. It'll be run on B100 of course (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in there). It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first one. No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
I was not aware that censoring email systems were so common. Sad really. I suppose they are mostly corporate email systems. anyway, thanks for the clarification. I thought you were mentioning someone in the present administration. -dave On Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:23 PM, Jason Katie wrote: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:23:55 -0500 From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS most mail scanners won't write out his name, or will blank it out as such H* but he was the despot of Germany in the late 1930's and committed suicide in the mid '40's after playing a very VERY large part in starting WW2 and losing. he was a racist and a fool, and caused a lot of trouble. almost as much trouble as america is causing today. this is why we equate the present american Commander in Thief to AH - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS Who is AH? I don't catch your reference? On Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:13 PM, Jason Katie wrote: wouldnt this be the 4th? i mean AH did finally fail, so the shrub would be the 4th. I always thought a good shirt would read: Secret Prisons, Cost: 1 Billion Dollars Illegally Kidnapping Foreign Citizens, Cost: 10 Billion Dollars Illegally Spying on Your Citizens, Cost: 20 Billion Transforming the US into the Third Reich: Priceless There are some things money can buy, for everything else there's Dick, Donald, and Dubya. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How much water is used to produce ethanol? Please
Doug, This really depends on how the ethanol is produced. For instance, if you are doing the old fashion method of mashing then you will have greater water consupmtion versus a direct enzyme conversion (adding alpha/beta amalyse directly). Additionally, water can be recovered from the solids after distillation has occured. Also, there may be water requirements for the condenser. This water is in a closed system but may be important to you. Generally, when fermeting your water/sugar mixture will yield a water/alcohol mixture. This can range as high as 20% ethanol (though, I have never hit more then 15% personally). So, best case, you are using roughly 4/5ths water for 1/5th alcohol. Of course that does not take into consideration any loss due to boiling/mashing/converting. While that doesn't answer the specific question it may give you some info for further research. I would suggest contacting an ethanol producer in your area. They may be able to help you out. -dave KC0PBZ On Friday, May 26, 2006 2:44 PM, Doug Younker wrote: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:44:40 -0500 From: Doug Younker To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] How much water is used to produce ethanol? Please I googled ethanol faq, visited this group's archives along with JtF webpage. In the event the answer to may question was there I evidently scrolling by it. ethanol is hoped to be the savior of the family farm here in Western Kansas. Recently a letter to the editor made some claims of how much water was needed/used to produce one gallon of ethanol. Due to that I', looking for evidence of how much water is really used. Facilities to produce ethanol have been built, are being built, the construction of more being planned for. Water is an issue here so how much water could we expect to use in the processing of grain into ethanol? I don't know if it makes a difference,some plants where built with using Milo (grain sorghum). Milo being selected because it does well when dry land farmed. Thanks... -- Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Magnetic Bacteria Discovery in Energy Made By Student
hello all, this is an interesting read...http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70882-0.html?tw=rss.index___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
I would like to see more about the type of conversion work doug is doing ray From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 04:48:46 +0900 It's not easy to help Doug, no reply, no pictures. I'll try cc'ing this to him direct as well. This is good information Doug offered, in this thread and the American diesels thread, quite a few people said so. Who thinks it should all be available in the Biodiesel section of the Journey to Forever website? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hello Doug snip Have pictures of bellhousing being made here but not sure where to put it or send. Doug Will you check this message please? http://snipurl.com/qq84 [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Impressive information you're providing. There's a folder at JtF reserved for photographs and so on for the use of the list. It's not actually part of the JtF website, it's just for us here at the list. Members can send me stuff the list wants to see and I'll put it there and post a link. Send me the pictures direct and I'll upload them and do that. I'm not against having this resource at JtF, and thanks for offering. I have to consider it though, also how to handle it, and just where to put it. Organising it would be quite a lot of work, and there's a queue. But don't be discouraged, let's see how it goes and we'll see what we can do. Quite a lot of people have been writing to Journey to Forever asking about diesel conversions, nearly all of them Americans. Quite a lot also want to know if biofuel (turns out to be biodiesel) will work in their gasoline motor. Some of them just get impatient when you tell them it won't. Why not? What do you expect me to do then? So it might be popular, but that's not the only criterion; it's not our focus, but we don't really make rules about it. People here like what you're doing, that's always a good recommendation. Please keep going. Send me the pictures. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
A bent rod in a diesel will definitely be a problem as far as firing on that cyl. goes... no compression (low) = no fire in that hole... - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k shown on the odometer may be original. Or maybe 188k. But I think that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn out. The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though. I think I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test, and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them out, and see if that helps. On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've driven one - nice but pokey. How many miles? I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder? If it's been sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent. If it has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder NA diesel is going to be slooowww. Good luck! Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey everyone I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a 2.2 liter NA diesel engine. I was just wondering if any of you (Keith?) have experience with this. It'll be run on B100 of course (and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in there). It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first one. No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
Hi Dave I was not aware that censoring email systems were so common. Sad really. I suppose they are mostly corporate email systems. anyway, thanks for the clarification. I thought you were mentioning someone in the present administration. -dave AH probably isn't being mentioned very often without its referring to someone in the present administration or to the whole administration. There's also another meaning for AH that's been used here and elsewhere, but it probably applies as well. Best Keith On Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:23 PM, Jason Katie wrote: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:23:55 -0500 From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS most mail scanners won't write out his name, or will blank it out as such H* but he was the despot of Germany in the late 1930's and committed suicide in the mid '40's after playing a very VERY large part in starting WW2 and losing. he was a racist and a fool, and caused a lot of trouble. almost as much trouble as america is causing today. this is why we equate the present american Commander in Thief to AH - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS Who is AH? I don't catch your reference? On Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:13 PM, Jason Katie wrote: wouldnt this be the 4th? i mean AH did finally fail, so the shrub would be the 4th. I always thought a good shirt would read: Secret Prisons, Cost: 1 Billion Dollars Illegally Kidnapping Foreign Citizens, Cost: 10 Billion Dollars Illegally Spying on Your Citizens, Cost: 20 Billion Transforming the US into the Third Reich: Priceless There are some things money can buy, for everything else there's Dick, Donald, and Dubya. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Police Brutality in Ohio
Well, I hear that public high schools involve alot of drug use, sex, hazing, peer pressure to be cool, etc... I missed out on all that till college. Sex 'n' drugs 'n' rock'n'roll, LOL! Right, school has it's uses. What about this, though, from Mike McGinnissm below: brother was teaching Physics at Ohio State Univ back in those days and sent me one here in Houston when I was barely a teenager (8th-9th grade?) anxiously waiting for my turn in the meat grinder when I turned 18. ... sent me one being a genuine Kent State t-shirt, but is the meat grinder military service or have I got it wrong? Best Keith On 5/26/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what you may have not learnt that you were supposed to learn. Keith I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. A very high probability factor to that thought process... Zeke Yewdall wrote: Hey! I wasn't born till '78, but I know what Kent state was, the weathermen, the moon shot, vietnam war, and alot of the stuff you are talking about. I didn't experience them, but isn't that why they teach history in school? Or do they? I never attended public school, so I may have inadvertently learned something I wasn't supposed to. Zeke On 5/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith asked below: If you say Kent State in the US now, does it still carry that connotation? That's all it means to me and I'm sure a great many others, but does it still mean anything in the US, or is it just the name of a college now? Keith, The younger generations under say about 45 years now were to young or not born yet to remember it and it is rarely if ever discussed now. Most of them have never heard of Kent State. I actually still have an authentic Kent State T-Shirt, but unfortunately it is about 6 sizes to small for me now. My older brother was teaching Physics at Ohio State Univ back in those days and sent me one here in Houston when I was barely a teenager (8th-9th grade?) anxiously waiting for my turn in the meat grinder when I turned 18. How quickly we forget. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
