[Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called experts point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the experts. A cursory look at the United States finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion only in interest payments alone. Then, there are the future obligations such as Medicare, Social Security and government pensions. These obligations amount to $54 trillion. This huge problem worried the former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. He told congress: As a nation, we may have already made promises to coming generations of retirees that we will be unable to fulfil. One would think that this amount of debt would worry the president and the congress ... but apparently it does not. The United States Congress recently (March 2006) voted to increase the Federal debt limit to $9 trillion. Any other nation in similar circumstances would have had to approach IMF for help. The IMF would then have forced that nation to cut spending and devalue its currency ... but US does not need to do this. The US can just print some more dollars. But how long can this continue before the world loose faith in the greenback, sending it crashing to unimaginable levels. The Asian Lender The Asian countries such as Japan, China and others that hold most of the US debts have been happy to indulge the American deficit spending. This has been a two-way Street, America has kept its market open to their products and they have financed the Americans spending. The value of US dollar so far has been kept artificially high by Japan, China and oil-exporting countries. These countries by buying US debts have has kept interests rates relatively low in the United States and allowed Americans to keep spending even as their debts mount. But there is only so much risk these lenders (Asian and oil-exporting countries) are willing to take. Any serious devaluation of the US$ will considerably reduce the value of their national reserves (mostly kept in dollars) and the value of their debt holdings (certificates, bonds, etc.). At the same time, the devaluation will affect their exports to the US. A weaker dollar makes their products more expensive in US, thereby reducing their export earnings. Most Asian countries keep up to 70% of their reserves in dollars. China with the reserves of over $800 billion has already begun to slowly reduce its dependency on dollars by converting part of its reserves to other currencies. If other Asian countries -- with their vast dollar holdings -- follow suit, then it will be disastrous for the value of dollar. Nobody is interested in holding a weakening currency. Petro-Dollar Another threat against the dollar comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela. Iran recently registered an Oil Bourse to compete with Bourses in New York and London. The threat comes from the currency in which the oil is to be sold in Euro. Iranians are going to make the Euro the standard currency for oil transactions. Some sympathetic countries such as Venezuela and others may join in. If the Iranians succeed in this, the pressure on dollar will be catastrophic. Nearly every country has to hold a certain amount of dollars in reserve for oil purchases. If the dollar continues to weaken in value, and there is the possibility of purchasing oil in Euro, then these countries would unload their dollars for safer currencies such as Euro. What will then happen to the value of dollar? Iraq and Iran As though there is not enough pressure on the dollar, the US government keeps spending money in an un-winnable war in Iraq and is considering starting another one in Iran. The total cost of Iraq war, including the future payment to the disabled soldiers, replacement of equipment, etc., is estimated be between $1-2 trillion. Any attack on Iran will substantially increase this
[Biofuel] HHO for welding running your car
Another water powered car, this oneby Denny Klein in Florida. 100 miles on 4 oz of water, he says. He is developing a Hummer for the Pentagon that'll run on either water or gasoline, according to the newscast on Faux 26 TV. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HF__Qlhtnwssearch=water%20power ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] HHO for welding running your car
This so much like a fella here in oz that was fusing metal to rock with hydrogen technology back in the late 70's early 80's"D. Mindock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another water powered car, this oneby Denny Klein in Florida. 100 miles on 4 oz of water, he says. He is developing a Hummer for the Pentagon that'll run on either water or gasoline, according to the newscast on Faux 26 TV. http://youtube.com/watch?v=HF__Qlhtnwssearch=water%20power___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ On Yahoo!7 Answers: Real people ask and answer questions on any topic. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 147 MPG Diesel
Hello All - Does anyone know if these will be available in the US and if yes, when? Thanks, Tony MarzolinoAppal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/malaysian_compa.htmlMalaysian Company Takes 26% Stake in German Maker of 157 MPGDiesel CarMalaysias Kosmo Motor Company has taken a 26% stake in Loremo AG,the developers of the Loremo LS, a 1.5 l/100km (157 mpg US) dieselpassenger car. (Earlier post.)___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called “experts” point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the “experts. A cursory look at the United States’ finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States’ public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion only in interest payments alone. Then, there are the future obligations such as Medicare, Social Security and government pensions. These obligations amount to $54 trillion. This huge problem worried the former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. He told congress: “As a nation, we may have already made promises to coming generations of retirees that we will be unable to fulfil.” One would think that this amount of debt would worry the president and the congress ... but apparently it does not. The United States’ Congress recently (March 2006) voted to increase the Federal debt limit to $9 trillion. Any other nation in similar circumstances would have had to approach IMF for help. The IMF would then have forced that nation to cut spending and devalue its currency ... but US does not need to do this. The US can just print some more dollars. But how long can this continue before the world loose faith in the greenback, sending it crashing to unimaginable levels. The Asian Lender The Asian countries such as Japan, China and others that hold most of the US debts have been happy to indulge the American deficit spending. This has been a two-way Street, America has kept its market open to their products and they have financed the Americans’ spending. The value of US dollar so far has been kept artificially high by Japan, China and oil-exporting countries. These countries by buying US debts have has kept interests rates relatively low in the United States and allowed Americans to keep spending even as their debts mount. But there is only so much risk these lenders (Asian and oil-exporting countries) are willing to take. Any serious devaluation of the US$ will considerably reduce the value of their national reserves (mostly kept in dollars) and the value of their debt holdings (certificates, bonds, etc.). At the same time, the devaluation will affect their exports to the US. A weaker dollar makes their products more expensive in US, thereby reducing their export earnings. Most Asian countries keep up to 70% of their reserves in dollars. China with the reserves of over $800 billion has already begun to slowly reduce its dependency on dollars by converting part of its reserves to other currencies. If other Asian countries -- with their vast dollar holdings -- follow suit, then it will be disastrous for the value of dollar. Nobody is interested in holding a weakening currency. Petro-Dollar Another threat against the dollar comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela. Iran recently registered an Oil Bourse to compete with Bourses in New York and London. The threat comes from the currency in which the oil is to be sold in Euro. Iranians are going to make the Euro the standard currency for oil transactions. Some sympathetic countries such as Venezuela and others may join in. If the Iranians succeed in this, the pressure on dollar will be catastrophic. Nearly every country has to hold a certain amount of dollars in reserve for oil purchases. If the dollar continues to weaken in value, and there is the possibility of purchasing oil in Euro, then these countries would unload their dollars for safer currencies such as Euro. What will then happen to the value of dollar? Iraq and Iran As though there is not enough pressure on the dollar, the US government keeps spending money in an un-winnable war in Iraq and is considering starting another one in
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
It has already been done by reelecting Bush, now it is only to sit and wait for the results. Hakan At 15:29 30/05/2006, you wrote: Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called experts point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the experts. A cursory look at the United States' finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States' public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion only in interest payments alone. Then, there are the future obligations such as Medicare, Social Security and government pensions. These obligations amount to $54 trillion. This huge problem worried the former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. He told congress: As a nation, we may have already made promises to coming generations of retirees that we will be unable to fulfil. One would think that this amount of debt would worry the president and the congress ... but apparently it does not. The United States' Congress recently (March 2006) voted to increase the Federal debt limit to $9 trillion. Any other nation in similar circumstances would have had to approach IMF for help. The IMF would then have forced that nation to cut spending and devalue its currency ... but US does not need to do this. The US can just print some more dollars. But how long can this continue before the world loose faith in the greenback, sending it crashing to unimaginable levels. The Asian Lender The Asian countries such as Japan, China and others that hold most of the US debts have been happy to indulge the American deficit spending. This has been a two-way Street, America has kept its market open to their products and they have financed the Americans' spending. The value of US dollar so far has been kept artificially high by Japan, China and oil-exporting countries. These countries by buying US debts have has kept interests rates relatively low in the United States and allowed Americans to keep spending even as their debts mount. But there is only so much risk these lenders (Asian and oil-exporting countries) are willing to take. Any serious devaluation of the US$ will considerably reduce the value of their national reserves (mostly kept in dollars) and the value of their debt holdings (certificates, bonds, etc.). At the same time, the devaluation will affect their exports to the US. A weaker dollar makes their products more expensive in US, thereby reducing their export earnings. Most Asian countries keep up to 70% of their reserves in dollars. China with the reserves of over $800 billion has already begun to slowly reduce its dependency on dollars by converting part of its reserves to other currencies. If other Asian countries -- with their vast dollar holdings -- follow suit, then it will be disastrous for the value of dollar. Nobody is interested in holding a weakening currency. Petro-Dollar Another threat against the dollar comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela. Iran recently registered an Oil Bourse to compete with Bourses in New York and London. The threat comes from the currency in which the oil is to be sold in Euro. Iranians are going to make the Euro the standard currency for oil transactions. Some sympathetic countries such as Venezuela and others may join in. If the Iranians succeed in this, the pressure on dollar will be catastrophic. Nearly every country has to hold a certain amount of dollars in reserve for oil purchases. If the dollar continues to weaken in value, and there is the possibility of purchasing oil in Euro, then these countries would unload their dollars for safer currencies such as Euro. What will then happen to the value of dollar? Iraq
Re: [Biofuel] Initiative in Pa, USA
Appal Energy wrote: This is a rather warped interpretation of carbon neutral. Admirable, but far from accurate or honest. Hanger urged the group to join PennFuture in leading the way, announcing that the organization had just become the state’s first public interest organization to go carbon neutral, committed to balancing any PennFuture activity which contributes to global warming– driving, flying, heating, shipping – by purchasing clean energy offsets from Pennsylvania clean energy projects. Todd Swearingen Hey Todd; There's a lot of monkey business going on in the Pa governors office, however, as far as the US goes, I don't see ANYONE else doing much. Here's some more; http://www.depweb.state.pa.us/news/cwp/view.asp?a=3q=506894 Something is afoot. Chip Mefford wrote: http://www.depweb.state.pa.us/news/cwp/view.asp?a=3q=506726 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continueraising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average "Joe" should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote:http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called “experts” point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the “experts." A cursory look at the United States’ finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States’ public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion only in interest payments alone. Then, there are the future obligations such as Medicare, Social Security and government pensions. These obligations amount to $54 trillion. This huge problem worried the former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. He told congress: “As a nation, we may have already made promises to coming generations of retirees that we will be unable to fulfil.” One would think that this amount of debt would worry the president and the congress ... but apparently it does not. The United States’ Congress recently (March 2006) voted to increase the Federal debt limit to $9 trillion. Any other nation in similar circumstances would have had to approach IMF for help. The IMF would then have forced that nation to cut spending and devalue its currency ... but US does not need to do this. The US can just print some more dollars. But how long can this continue before the world loose faith in the greenback, sending it crashing to unimaginable levels. The Asian Lender The Asian countries such as Japan, China and others that hold most of the US debts have been happy to indulge the American deficit spending. This has been a two-way Street, America has kept its market open to their products and they have financed the Americans’ spending. The value of US dollar so far has been kept artificially high by Japan, China and oil-exporting countries. These countries by buying US debts have has kept interests rates relatively low in the United States and allowed Americans to keep spending even as their debts mount. But there is only so much risk these lenders (Asian and oil-exporting countries) are willing to take. Any serious devaluation of the US$ will considerably reduce the value of their national reserves (mostly kept in dollars) and the value of their debt holdings (certificates, bonds, etc.). At the same time, the devaluation will affect their exports to the US. A weaker dollar makes their products more expensive in US, thereby reducing their export earnings. Most Asian countries keep up to 70% of their reserves in dollars. China with the reserves of over $800 billion has already begun to slowly reduce its dependency on dollars by converting part of its reserves to other currencies. If other Asian countries -- with their vast dollar holdings -- follow suit, then it will be disastrous for the value of dollar. Nobody is interested in holding a weakening currency. Petro-Dollar Another threat against the dollar comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela. Iran recently registered an Oil Bourse to compete with Bourses in New York and London. The threat comes from the currency in
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez
On 5/29/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Zeke Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used ones that hippies buy and travel around in I've got one. It's been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500 miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil). We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the bus tank rusty maybe? Yeah, the tank was very rusty when we got it, and I think the veggie oil carries the rust to the filter. When I first switched my truck to biodiesel, it did the same thing -- the biodiesel carried the rust to the filter and clogged up. When I changed the filter it looked like it was filled with little red particles even. I also clogged up the filter on my VW after swithching from gas to biodiesel (with the accompanying engine switch). It was more like weird jelly than particles -- perhaps 15 years of accumulated gasoline deposits in the gas tank? But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school busses. Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it was running. A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and stench of diesel or gasoline fumes. New gasoline cars are probably cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to, biodiesel fumes are positively delightful. We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely notice it. What would you tell this person though? Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter that can avoid this smell? Maybe something is wrong, but it could be the actual biodiesel smell -- I took my VW to a mechanic to have a wheel bearing replaced, and he complained about the biodiesel dripping on the floor of his shop and making it smell like french fries. Personally, if I have to open the fuel system up for anything, I try to make sure it's full of B100, because I can't stand the stench of diesel fuel -- not just when working with it, but for days afterwards, because I can't wash it off my hands. One of my Aunts said diesel smell turns her on, because her husband was a diesel mechanic for many years... I have to admit that the smell of two cycle gas engine smoke brings back fond memories of firewood cutting in the fall growing up. Even though the actual odor is anything but pleasant. I've had a few enquiries like that. Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the exhaust stink? Does anybody else here think it stinks? Best Keith On 5/28/06, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can imagine it now. Bush authorizes invasion of Bolivia! Venezuelan president Chavez pledges energy loans to Bolivia http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148814738.news Maybe it's time for large scale biodiesel school bus conversions. Nation's School Buses Worst Polluting Vehicles http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148815659.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the possibility of future recuperation. US will not afford any more Iraq adventures and have to get out of the existing ones as soon as possible, to stop bleeding. It will lose its international standing and will not be trusted for a couple of generations. This will also put US at the same level as several South American countries. The damages to the national pride, will be far larger than the actual national economic damages. EU will be the worlds economic super power, followed by Russia and China. You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. You will also see a lot of price regulation on domestic produce. Hakan At 16:19 30/05/2006, you wrote: Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continue raising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average Joe should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called experts point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the experts. A cursory look at the United States' finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States' public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion only in interest payments alone. Then, there are the future obligations such as Medicare, Social Security and government pensions. These obligations amount to $54 trillion. This huge problem worried the former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. He told congress: As a nation, we may have already made promises to coming generations of retirees that we will be unable to fulfil. One would think that this amount of debt would worry the president and the congress ... but apparently it does not. The United States' Congress recently (March 2006) voted to increase the Federal debt limit to $9 trillion. Any other nation in similar circumstances would have had to approach IMF for help. The IMF would then have forced that nation to cut spending and devalue its currency ... but US does not need to do this. The US can just print some more dollars. But how long can this continue before the world loose faith in the
Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1
From the international perspective, I agree, it isn't quite on topic. Everywhere except the US, diesel vehicals are readily available, so essentially, this would only focus on the US market. And most of the US market for diesel vehicals has nothing to do with sustainability. A local guy was thinking about starting his own business doing diesel toyota pickups, but decided against it because his major clients would not be people who needed pickups but wanted to run biodiesel, but off-roaders who like diesels because of superior low rpm torque. He didn't want to end up catering to this crowd. The american diesel market is a bit bizarre. Anywhere else in the world, who would rescusitate a 25 year old, underpowered truck, or bother with a complicated engine transplant not intended by the design engineers. Some of the reponses to my question about getting a 1981 toyota hilux running again were interesting -- basically that it had been superseded by much better technology -- but here in the US, if we really want to run biodiesel in a truck, this is what we are reduced to. Of course, in the long run, cars in general cannot be sustainable, no matter what they are running on, but in the near term, biodiesel is a stop-gap measure to try to not do quite as much damage, I guess. On 5/29/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe Hi Keith; I'm sure if I was in that situation I would be thrilled to find the info and pics on a website but how many people will need it vs the cost of storage space on your site? I suppose that is why you are asking for a show of hands? I wasn't worried about the cost. It's good information, but that's not the only point. Actually there's very little about cars and engines at our site, and what is there isn't this kind of information. It would be a new direction, and I'm not sure we want to take it. Several people have said it's great biodiesel information, but the biodiesel bit is only coincidental. We quite often get asked about converting gasoline cars to diesel, but only by Americans, because diesels are rare in the US but they want to use biodiesel. Most of them are after avoiding the high US gasoline prices (which aren't high enough, IMHO). Diesels aren't rare anywhere else. Some halfwit sent me an abusive email offlist saying doug was offering you free of charge a great addition to the journey to forever biodiesel information but I'd ungrasosly spurned it and virtually told him to piss off. Having just asked Doug for the third time please to send it to me so I could upload it. Sigh. He's an American. But if you're not an American, what does it have to do with biodiesel? Doug's in Laos and I'm not sure why he does these conversions, but it's not clear that it's so that people can use biodiesel in these vehicles, I don't think that's the purpose. Juan says in his interesting post it should be in the biodiesel section at JtF, but he also doesn't say the purpose of the conversions there is to use biodiesel. Diesels use less fuel, but that's a different issue. Actually there's also very little at JtF about fuel saving, or about carbon saving and global warming. Of course we think it's important, but when you have a focused project and a focused website you don't just dump everything in there that you happen to think is important. Well we don't anyway. It's the same with this, and I'm not convinced. A major point is that nothing just gets dumped into our website, there's always a lot of work in it. It has to be tailored, especially if it comes from a mailing list, it's the wrong shape. Doug wrote a whole lot, a lot of it in response to questions, it'll take a lot of sorting out to make it accessible on a web page, quite a few hours' work. But there's already a queue of stuff waiting for upload. If anyone thinks it's not necessary, that I should stop making a fuss and just dump it all in, then they're welcome to see how well this works: Doug sent me a bunch of photographs with quite a lot of text explanation in an email. I'll upload the photographs (only the photographs) to a special folder for this at the JtF site (like I did with Jim's venturi pics) and post a message here with the links, the explanation, and links to the relevant threads in the list archives. That's 75 messages in all. Have fun finding the two or three or five paragraphs about your particular diesel conversion amongst it all. But that's all I can do quickly (tomorrow). If I organised the copy and put it in the JtF Biodiesel section, people would straight away start asking why this gas car isn't there nor that diesel engine, and then they'd want information on LPG conversions too, and on anything else that saved fuel (fuel or money), and that's just not what we're on about. I'm still not saying no, I'm open to persuasion, but those are my objections. It might all be missing the point anyway. Why can't we just do it onlist, like we
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Hi Hakan...thanks for this well thought out response.I'veread itcarefully and tried to use my imagination more, but I'm still not clear on how any of us in the USA might specifically prepare for this. It seemshaving the house paid off is a good thing, although I'm not sure how I might pay property taxes and insurance if I have no income. What types of services do you think will fail and survive? I suppose if there is any stuff in the house I want to sell on eBay, I need to get it done immediately. Of course, what good will it do to have worthless US Dollars? I'm wondering if I should be buying Euros and socking them away??? If there are other people or places you feel I should turn to for these answers, please advise. Thanks again. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the possibility of future recuperation. US will not afford any more Iraq adventures and have to get out of the existing ones as soon as possible, to stop bleeding. It will lose its international standing and will not be trusted for a couple of generations. This will also put US at the same level as several South American countries. The damages to the national pride, will be far larger than the actual national economic damages. EU will be the worlds economic super power, followed by Russia and China. You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. You will also see a lot of price regulation on domestic produce. Hakan At 16:19 30/05/2006, you wrote:Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :)I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continue raising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average "Joe" should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree- Original Message -From: "Joe Street" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:29 AMSubject: [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called "experts" point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the "experts." A cursory look at the United States' finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States' public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan Falk wrote: snip You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. (and from a follow up message) US will lose much of its financial wealth, import jobs are going to be lost. The average Joe will not go under in any way, but the wealthy 10% of the population, will be hurt a lot and many fortunes wiped out. Why US have been allowed to run so large debts and deficits, is because a lot of foreign fortunes will be wiped out also. The one who is the least effected, is the average American Joe, employed in local produce, distribution, export etc. You will see mushroom clouds above major cities long before this happens. When we go down, we will drag all the rest of you with us. The fundamental difference between the United States and other, earlier empires is that we have the capability to utterly destroy anyone we perceive as an enemy, and our current administration has already demonstrated that it has greater loyalties to the rich than to the rest of its citizens. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Mike, Why should you not have any income? Is your job very dependent on imports to US? Jobs for local produce, is the same or safer, export is safer than before. Imports would sell much less and a lot of jobs will be lost. It is many countries in the past, who have done 30 to 50% write down of their currencies. It is an adjustment to reflect the true value of the assets and businesses. I have experienced countries with 20 to 30% devaluation. The dollar in US is not worthless after a devaluation, you have to shift what you buy for it. You have to buy more US produced food, which is less effected by an devaluation. It is of course a major health risk, but you have no choice. Some national businesses will try to take advantage of the situation, but normally the government will introduce price control to stop this. To prepare? You can buy a low consuming foreign diesel car now, it is a win-win anyway you see it, with or without devaluation. It will be very cheap to buy an American car after devaluation, but the running cost will not be sustainable. US will lose much of its financial wealth, import jobs are going to be lost. The average Joe will not go under in any way, but the wealthy 10% of the population, will be hurt a lot and many fortunes wiped out. Why US have been allowed to run so large debts and deficits, is because a lot of foreign fortunes will be wiped out also. The one who is the least effected, is the average American Joe, employed in local produce, distribution, export etc. Hakan At 17:55 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hi Hakan...thanks for this well thought out response. I've read it carefully and tried to use my imagination more, but I'm still not clear on how any of us in the USA might specifically prepare for this. It seems having the house paid off is a good thing, although I'm not sure how I might pay property taxes and insurance if I have no income. What types of services do you think will fail and survive? I suppose if there is any stuff in the house I want to sell on eBay, I need to get it done immediately. Of course, what good will it do to have worthless US Dollars? I'm wondering if I should be buying Euros and socking them away??? If there are other people or places you feel I should turn to for these answers, please advise. Thanks again. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the possibility of future recuperation. US will not afford any more Iraq adventures and have to get out of the existing ones as soon as possible, to stop bleeding. It will lose its international standing and will not be trusted for a couple of generations. This will also put US at the same level as several South American countries. The damages to the national pride, will be far larger than the actual national economic damages. EU will be the worlds economic super power, followed by Russia and China. You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. You will also see a lot of price regulation on domestic produce. Hakan At 16:19 30/05/2006, you wrote: Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continue raising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average Joe should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Mike, About your house and mortgage. Your house will go up in value after a devaluation and your mortgage will go down in value. In this case you will win, some time after the devaluation, when things improve. It will improve, because that is the whole purpose of the devaluation anyway and property is a safer investment. Hakan At 17:55 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hi Hakan...thanks for this well thought out response. I've read it carefully and tried to use my imagination more, but I'm still not clear on how any of us in the USA might specifically prepare for this. It seems having the house paid off is a good thing, although I'm not sure how I might pay property taxes and insurance if I have no income. What types of services do you think will fail and survive? I suppose if there is any stuff in the house I want to sell on eBay, I need to get it done immediately. Of course, what good will it do to have worthless US Dollars? I'm wondering if I should be buying Euros and socking them away??? If there are other people or places you feel I should turn to for these answers, please advise. Thanks again. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the possibility of future recuperation. US will not afford any more Iraq adventures and have to get out of the existing ones as soon as possible, to stop bleeding. It will lose its international standing and will not be trusted for a couple of generations. This will also put US at the same level as several South American countries. The damages to the national pride, will be far larger than the actual national economic damages. EU will be the worlds economic super power, followed by Russia and China. You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. You will also see a lot of price regulation on domestic produce. Hakan At 16:19 30/05/2006, you wrote: Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continue raising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average Joe should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] amailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called experts point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan...thanks again for your reasoned response. Very helpful. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, Why should you not have any income? Is your job very dependent on imports to US? Jobs for local produce, is the same or safer, export is safer than before. Imports would sell much less and a lot of jobs will be lost. It is many countries in the past, who have done 30 to 50% write down of their currencies. It is an adjustment to reflect the true value of the assets and businesses. I have experienced countries with 20 to 30% devaluation. The dollar in US is not worthless after a devaluation, you have to shift what you buy for it. You have to buy more US produced food, which is less effected by an devaluation. It is of course a major health risk, but you have no choice. Some national businesses will try to take advantage of the situation, but normally the government will introduce price control to stop this. To prepare? You can buy a low consuming foreign diesel car now, it is a win-win anyway you see it, with or without devaluation. It will be very cheap to buy an American car after devaluation, but the running cost will not be sustainable. US will lose much of its financial wealth, import jobs are going to be lost. The average Joe will not go under in any way, but the wealthy 10% of the population, will be hurt a lot and many fortunes wiped out. Why US have been allowed to run so large debts and deficits, is because a lot of foreign fortunes will be wiped out also. The one who is the least effected, is the average American Joe, employed in local produce, distribution, export etc. Hakan At 17:55 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hi Hakan...thanks for this well thought out response. I've read it carefully and tried to use my imagination more, but I'm still not clear on how any of us in the USA might specifically prepare for this. It seems having the house paid off is a good thing, although I'm not sure how I might pay property taxes and insurance if I have no income. What types of services do you think will fail and survive? I suppose if there is any stuff in the house I want to sell on eBay, I need to get it done immediately. Of course, what good will it do to have worthless US Dollars? I'm wondering if I should be buying Euros and socking them away??? If there are other people or places you feel I should turn to for these answers, please advise. Thanks again. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the possibility of future recuperation. US will not afford any more Iraq adventures and have to get out of the existing ones as soon as possible, to stop bleeding. It will lose its international standing and will not be trusted for a couple of generations. This will also put US at the same level as several South American countries. The damages to the national pride, will be far larger than the actual national economic damages. EU will be the worlds economic super power, followed by Russia and China. You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. You will also see a lot of price regulation on domestic produce. Hakan At 16:19 30/05/2006, you wrote: Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continue raising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average Joe should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious.
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan...Our house is paid off, but of course we still have property taxes and insurance to pay. We're not "wealthy" by any stretch. We don't live close to the bone, yet, but definitely within our means. Many, many years ago we decided to get rid of our debt. I really appreciate your help along these lines.Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, About your house and mortgage. Your house will go up in value after a devaluation and your mortgage will go down in value. In this case you will win, some time after the devaluation, when things improve. It will improve, because that is the whole purpose of the devaluation anyway and property is a safer investment. Hakan At 17:55 30/05/2006, you wrote:Hi Hakan...thanks for this well thought out response. I've read it carefully and tried to use my imagination more, but I'm still not clear on how any of us in the USA might specifically prepare for this. It seems having the house paid off is a good thing, although I'm not sure how I might pay property taxes and insurance if I have no income. What types of services do you think will fail and survive? I suppose if there is any stuff in the house I want to sell on eBay, I need to get it done immediately. Of course, what good will it do to have worthless US Dollars? I'm wondering if I should be buying Euros and socking them away??? If there are other people or places you feel I should turn to for these answers, please advise. Thanks again. Mike DuPree- Original Message -From: "Hakan Falk" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:56 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the possibility of future recuperation. US will not afford any more Iraq adventures and have to get out of the existing ones as soon as possible, to stop bleeding. It will lose its international standing and will not be trusted for a couple of generations. This will also put US at the same level as several South American countries. The damages to the national pride, will be far larger than the actual national economic damages. EU will be the worlds economic super power, followed by Russia and China. You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. You will also see a lot of price regulation on domestic produce. Hakan At 16:19 30/05/2006, you wrote: Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continue raising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average "Joe" should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] amailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollarIs there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951 Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela...
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, About your house and mortgage. Your house will go up in value after a devaluation and your mortgage will go down in value. In this case you will win, some time after the devaluation, when things improve. It will improve, because that is the whole purpose of the devaluation anyway and property is a safer investment. Hakan I remember hyperinflation in Brasil during the 1970's. For the price of a refrigerator one week, you could buy a 6 pack of Guarana the next! Banks raised their interest rates to compensate, mortgage payments rose and people whose incomes couldn't keep pace founnd their ability to sustain a living continually eroded. The rich will ALWAYS protect themselves. It's the rest of us who will suffer. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
Robert, I do not really understand what you are saying. Who are the enemies? Who is responsible, if you have to do one or two devaluations, to adjust your economy? Who will be bombed and why, because I suppose that it is not US that is the target? Why would US start a WWIII over a such a simple issue as adjusting its economy. I have only outlined what happens in an economic adjustment, which is long overdue for US. Who are the rich that will lose and cause any such actions as bombings etc. It is not the oil and energy industries and it is not the property owners, both would gain. The other rich people, does not have the clout and influence, to start a meaningless bombing campaign. The devaluation will happen, because it is long overdue. I can not see how it can be avoided. The mistake is that it has been avoided too long and the final result is a major devaluation. Instead of two or three smaller ones, with time to adjust between them. The result of bad politicians that think more of themselves than the country. None wants to preside over a unpopular but necessary action. US is much less an empire today, than it was 20-40 years ago. It might still be seen as an evil empire in developing countries, where their corporations drain them on their natural resources. US is not an empire, because it have no colonies. Maybe it was a financial empire, but most of it is already lost and it is much more balance today. It is only South America that still have some reasons to be described as part of US financial empire. in the old sense. They are also running the largest risk of US military interventions, to secure US needs of energy and natural resources. Would however not happen at once and it would be a big mistake, since it is not winnable without local cooperation. US have de facto occupied South America for a long time now and we are seeing the start of the end of the puppet regimes that was the instrument. For sure, it will not work in middle east and the Iraq attempt will fail. Hakan At 18:57 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: snip You will see effects like the depression in the 30's and a lot of suicides, as it was then. (and from a follow up message) US will lose much of its financial wealth, import jobs are going to be lost. The average Joe will not go under in any way, but the wealthy 10% of the population, will be hurt a lot and many fortunes wiped out. Why US have been allowed to run so large debts and deficits, is because a lot of foreign fortunes will be wiped out also. The one who is the least effected, is the average American Joe, employed in local produce, distribution, export etc. You will see mushroom clouds above major cities long before this happens. When we go down, we will drag all the rest of you with us. The fundamental difference between the United States and other, earlier empires is that we have the capability to utterly destroy anyone we perceive as an enemy, and our current administration has already demonstrated that it has greater loyalties to the rich than to the rest of its citizens. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Robert, I do not think that it is comparable with Brazil. I think that the depression in the 30s is a more adequate comparison. This because US is a democracy, educated population and leaders who can handle it. It has been several devaluations in Europe the last 40 years and they were done at proper timing. The only country who had severe problems, was Italy. US will be a bit harder, because the postponements, but hopefully have the competence to do it right. Yes, the rich will try to protect themselves and that is one of the reasons to the current US problems. It is no external threats to the US dollar, it is internal mismanagement. Hakan At 19:14 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, About your house and mortgage. Your house will go up in value after a devaluation and your mortgage will go down in value. In this case you will win, some time after the devaluation, when things improve. It will improve, because that is the whole purpose of the devaluation anyway and property is a safer investment. Hakan I remember hyperinflation in Brasil during the 1970's. For the price of a refrigerator one week, you could buy a 6 pack of Guarana the next! Banks raised their interest rates to compensate, mortgage payments rose and people whose incomes couldn't keep pace founnd their ability to sustain a living continually eroded. The rich will ALWAYS protect themselves. It's the rest of us who will suffer. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu
with early 80s mercedes turbo diesel. I have a ford F150 4x4 standard bed pickup that I want to keep, and a Mercedes 300td that I don't necessarily want to keep. THe ford has the good ole dino-bone burning F300 straight-six engine, and that Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel *might* make a decent re-power alternative power plant. has anyone heard of anyone doing this? thanx in advance, -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, I do not really understand what you are saying. It's not your fault that I'm not communicating clearly! Who are the enemies? Anyone who attempts to exert control over the US economy, even if that control consists of protecting their investments in bonds, dollars and US assets. In essence everyone else is the enemy. We are, in effect, taxing foreigners by the gradual degradation of our currency in order to sustain our spending, and there are a LOT of people over here who are quite content to keep doing this. Who is responsible, if you have to do one or two devaluations, to adjust your economy? Mr. Nixon did this back in the 1970's, and by doing so initiated a round of inflation that benefitted property owners, as you've pointed out. Here is an excerpt from an online article that explains this. I've snipped it from the following page: http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/29686 However, devaluation, fast or slow, almost never produces the effect of moving economic activity from non-tradeable to tradeable goods. Instead, as with the Argentine devaluation, or the devaluation that occurred earlier in Bush's term, it moves the country towards more protectionism. As the value of a currency drops, consumers continue to spend, but transfer money from the local economy, to exporting – deficits continue to rise, and investment in the home country falls. Or the home country proceeds to halt exports of materials far down the value chain, and attempts to add value and engage in import substitution. In effect converting inefficient non-tradeable parts of the economy to inefficient trading. The result is a loss of the advantages to trade – as work that could be done more efficiently elsewhere is done inside the devaluing country. Since labor prices have dropped, this lower value add strategy works. This is what weak currencies really do – by lowering the relative cost of labor, they make lower value add strategies more effective. Afterall, it isn' t the efficient non-tradeable production that goes first, it is the marginal non-tradeable production that will be shifted first. This is why devaluation only works if combined with some form of economic restructuring to radically shift incentives. Generally at the root of all overvalued currencies was an incentive to engage in the protected economy – often through excessive budget outlays, but just as often through corrupt or collusive market practices. For example, a large and unproductive war for the benefit of a few industries. Such restructuring is painful, as people who have skills and capital lose out – just ask American high tech workers, or Argentinians of any walk of life. This is why while devaluation – which hurts mainly foreigners at first, is often a popular step in lieu of restructuring. The problem of course is that most nations import oil. For nations trying to reign in consumption, this is not a problem – making oil more expensive acts as a luxury tax. For those with enough energy to support themselves, or nearly so, it is a burden, but a manageable one. For a nation like the US, which neither wishes to change its driving habits, nor wants to even begin restructuring, it is unlikely that difficult decisions will be made. On the contrary, the most recent action of the US government was to continue the red queen's race of cutting taxes on the wealthy here, so that they can stay even with the oil exporters that can hold dollars to prop up the US currency. Clearly the belief in Washington is that Reaganomics can be run a few more cycles, and damn the long term consequences. This is why devaluing to avoid a recession usually doesn't work, because it is the recession, with its enforced rationing, that is generally the trigger for restructuring in an economy. People in pain are more willing to make decisions that are painful, since they have come to understand that they cannot defer the pain, nor make it fall on someone else instead. Devaluation isn't an evil in itself, however, by itself, it generally produces more evil than good. Of more use is the ability to unpeg a currency and float it when it is pegged in a manner that distorts the economy, but this too has its perils. Countries unpegged from gold in the 1930's successful, if they had an export market and an internal economy in good order. However, the floating of currencies in 1972-73 merely turned inflation into another round of stagflation. Once again, the ability to shift production is required. Thus the current drive for normalization of currencies - which is to say dollar devaluation - is unlikely to do more than drive up the price of gasoline, and shift effort out of marginal service production in the US, leading to slower job creation, since marginal service jobs represent the bulk of jobs created, while the real deadweight non-tradeables - large houses - and the real sponges of US import - gas and
Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu
Sounds like a great idea to me. I bet you'd loose some top end power on the highway, but gain some low end torque, and probably get 50% better mileage too. I've heard of someone doing this in a toyota pickup (wonder how they handled the weight of a 300TD in that?), and said it had much more power than the toyota diesel (2.4 liter turbo), and much quieter as well. You'd use the same transmission as in there now, or put the 4wd transfer case on the back of the 4speed auto from the Merc? Z On 5/30/06, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with early 80s mercedes turbo diesel. I have a ford F150 4x4 standard bed pickup that I want to keep, and a Mercedes 300td that I don't necessarily want to keep. THe ford has the good ole dino-bone burning F300 straight-six engine, and that Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel *might* make a decent re-power alternative power plant. has anyone heard of anyone doing this? thanx in advance, -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, I do not think that it is comparable with Brazil. We have social security and debt interest time bombs just waiting to go off over here. Most people involved in economics have told me that inflation is ALWAYS preferable to deflation, and we're only now beginning to see the impact of baby boomers retiring. There's a storm coming, for certain. I think that the depression in the 30s is a more adequate comparison. This because US is a democracy, educated population and leaders who can handle it. Where are these leaders, Hakan? We've got leadership telling us that we have to stay the course in Iraq in order to honor the dead who've sacrificed so much for democracy. You think we have rational leadership? I don't follow your reasoning. It has been several devaluations in Europe the last 40 years and they were done at proper timing. The only country who had severe problems, was Italy. US will be a bit harder, because the postponements, but hopefully have the competence to do it right. The words competence and US government should never be used in the same sentence! Yes, the rich will try to protect themselves and that is one of the reasons to the current US problems. It is no external threats to the US dollar, it is internal mismanagement. Blame is certainly better to give than receive. We have people protesting at funerals over here because they believe God is punishing us for our tolerance of homosexuality! We've got preachers beating their pulpits about the dangers of domestic terrorism. We've got people who are more interested in legislating morality than dealing with the fundamental problems of our economy. The kind of rational thinking to which you refer is more rare than gold in abundance. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu
Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sounds like a great idea to me. I bet you'd loose some top end power on the highway, but gain some low end torque, and probably get 50% better mileage too. I've heard of someone doing this in a toyota pickup (wonder how they handled the weight of a 300TD in that?), and said it had much more power than the toyota diesel (2.4 liter turbo), and much quieter as well. You'd use the same transmission as in there now, or put the 4wd transfer case on the back of the 4speed auto from the Merc? The mercedes automatic wasn't ever really a very good transmission, kinda soft, and this one is quite old. The ford manual is a granny gear 1st 4speed, so I'd rather keep it. This is/will remain a 'work truck'. I sure would like to keep the ford xmission. It seems, that the OM617 turbo diesel is just about the most ubiquitous engine of that type in the US. They are all over the place, and can be had for reasonably little money. I'm a little suprised there isn't more info about swapping this engine around. thanx again. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Calculating Spread Rate for Potassium Phosphate
Hello to all, I've been interested in separating the glycerine cocktail and utilizing the products. When KOH is used as caustic to make BD and Phosphoric Acid is used to split the cocktail, Potassium Phosphate precipitates out. I dilute it in water and add it, along with some of the separated glycerine (after methanol recoveryand raising pH w. ammonia) to my compost piles. I still have quite a bit of Potassium Phosphate. Knowing roughly how muchKOH I used to producea given volume ofcocktail and how muchH3PO4 I used to split the mix, it seems possible to calculate the mass of the potassium and the phosphorus in the precipitate.From a bag of lawn fertilizer I can calculate the mass of the potassium and the phosphorus in the bag . Suggestedcoverage is written on the bag (ex. 20,000 square feet). Can't I then approximate the coverage (in square feet) of the potassium hydroxide precipitate that I can spray on my lawn? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu
I've also heard of people putting perkins diesels in old ford trucks. I saw an F-100 for sale recently with a 4.5 liter perkins. Couldn't go over 40mph, but got 20mpg, and was probably great for towing. On 5/30/06, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sounds like a great idea to me. I bet you'd loose some top end power on the highway, but gain some low end torque, and probably get 50% better mileage too. I've heard of someone doing this in a toyota pickup (wonder how they handled the weight of a 300TD in that?), and said it had much more power than the toyota diesel (2.4 liter turbo), and much quieter as well. You'd use the same transmission as in there now, or put the 4wd transfer case on the back of the 4speed auto from the Merc? The mercedes automatic wasn't ever really a very good transmission, kinda soft, and this one is quite old. The ford manual is a granny gear 1st 4speed, so I'd rather keep it. This is/will remain a 'work truck'. I sure would like to keep the ford xmission. It seems, that the OM617 turbo diesel is just about the most ubiquitous engine of that type in the US. They are all over the place, and can be had for reasonably little money. I'm a little suprised there isn't more info about swapping this engine around. thanx again. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost
Hello to all, I diluted crude glycerine (2 water : 1 glycerine) split from the glycerine cocktail. I added some of the potassium phosphate that precipitates out and some ammonia to raise pH a bit. This was added to my compost as it was being built (see below). After 48 hrs the temp of the pile was 160F (71C). This is considerably higher than temps I normally achieve. Upon turning the pile the second time I divided the large pile into 2 smaller piles.To one I added the solution as I built it, to the other I added water, only. After approximately 36 hrs the pile with the solution added was 150F, the one with only water was 125 F. This , I think, corroborates what the earlier results suggest: The glycerine and minerals split from the cocktail can not only be composted safely, they seem to stimulate the process. I would like to be able to quantify any acceleration of decomposition due to the solution. For what it's worth Tom - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude Glycerin and Hot Compost Hi All, Composting glycerine might not only be an environmentally sound way to eliminate the coproduct, but it may actually speed up decomposition of the materials in the pile. I successfully split the glycerine coproduct using phosphoric acid (thanks Todd, Ken, and JTF). I have about twenty gallons (76L) of crude glycerine. How doI deal with it in an environmentally responsible way? Two days agoI built a compost pile adding glycerine as I built the pile. All the while I was thinking what a waste of energy. It would be better to add the glycerine to a ferment or to make biogas. In the end I had added almost 4 gallons of the stuff ... diluted in water... to a pile that was a bit more than 60cubic feet (5+ feet high X 7+ feet diameter). 48 hours later the temp of the pile was 160F (71C)!!!. This wasn't the center of the pile, but rather 12 inches in. Itook readings at 4 places. Keith might take issue with the geometry of my compost piles. They are, essentially flattened cones made of layers of grass clippings weeds, then leaves,then manure. I diluted the glycerine w. water and sprinkled it on the dry, leaf layer. I rarely take temp readings of compost piles, but I do stick my hand in after a day or two to make sure they are heating up. The times that I've made readings, the temps were typically in the 140F area. While saprophytic soil microbes do well at high temps, most soil pathogens are killed along with weed seeds and insect eggs at temps of 140F. Are there any negatives to achieving such high temps(160F or more)? It might be that adding glycerine is not such a waste of energy as I thought. Alcohols and sugars are readily metabolized by microbes. They could supply the energy, which, along with other materials in the heap would allow the bacteria and fungi to rapidly reach a quorum, a critical mass, and the metabolism of the mass generate the heat that in turn would speed up enzyme activity if it doesn't kill them. I would like to know if the addition of glycerine enhances the rate of decomposition in a compost pile. I had previously added some glycerine to a hot pile as it was being turned. It did not seem to have any harmful effect, but I didn't have anything concrete to compare it to (temp readings of other piles vs this one), and at the time did not suspect that it might actually be of benefit. For what it's worth, Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
Robert, Now we are starting to get somewhere and thank you for posting a good and fuller description of the problem. It is however not possible to sustain and the corrections will come in a controlled or uncontrolled fashion. The damage that the current inactivity and activities who worsen the problem. will be severe for US and the industrialized world. The situation will not go away, that is for sure and US cannot afford the current war in Iraq. For only economic reasons, US get lesser and the financial empire smaller and smaller. It is no one to bomb, because it is none who is trying to get in control. The reality is that US lost the control and have none to blame for it, therefore it is a lack of targets for bombing. It is no one who is trying to target US for economic control or destruction of its economy, other than US itself. US is at the moment put in self destruct mode and even if the rest of the world like to help, it is not accepted or possible. There are many problems with the US economy, one is the belief that they could export services to balance the lack of production. The markets for US services have failed to materialize. As pointed out, the cost of engaging in war, only worsen the situation. The second world war saved the US economy, because they aided and sold war materials to Europe. A third world war will be US against the world and would not have any economical benefits. Iraq is an internal shift of wealth in US, but an external cost for the US population. US will not be able to get the future profits from the Iraqi oil, which I said a long time ago and it is clearer now. The article you refer to, describe the situation much better than I do, but also fail to suggest any solution. Other than maybe a meaningful devaluation with the austerity measures that must go with it. Hakan At 20:58 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, I do not really understand what you are saying. It's not your fault that I'm not communicating clearly! Who are the enemies? Anyone who attempts to exert control over the US economy, even if that control consists of protecting their investments in bonds, dollars and US assets. In essence everyone else is the enemy. We are, in effect, taxing foreigners by the gradual degradation of our currency in order to sustain our spending, and there are a LOT of people over here who are quite content to keep doing this. Who is responsible, if you have to do one or two devaluations, to adjust your economy? Mr. Nixon did this back in the 1970's, and by doing so initiated a round of inflation that benefitted property owners, as you've pointed out. Here is an excerpt from an online article that explains this. I've snipped it from the following page: http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/29686 However, devaluation, fast or slow, almost never produces the effect of moving economic activity from non-tradeable to tradeable goods. Instead, as with the Argentine devaluation, or the devaluation that occurred earlier in Bush's term, it moves the country towards more protectionism. As the value of a currency drops, consumers continue to spend, but transfer money from the local economy, to exporting deficits continue to rise, and investment in the home country falls. Or the home country proceeds to halt exports of materials far down the value chain, and attempts to add value and engage in import substitution. In effect converting inefficient non-tradeable parts of the economy to inefficient trading. The result is a loss of the advantages to trade as work that could be done more efficiently elsewhere is done inside the devaluing country. Since labor prices have dropped, this lower value add strategy works. This is what weak currencies really do by lowering the relative cost of labor, they make lower value add strategies more effective. Afterall, it isn' t the efficient non-tradeable production that goes first, it is the marginal non-tradeable production that will be shifted first. This is why devaluation only works if combined with some form of economic restructuring to radically shift incentives. Generally at the root of all overvalued currencies was an incentive to engage in the protected economy often through excessive budget outlays, but just as often through corrupt or collusive market practices. For example, a large and unproductive war for the benefit of a few industries. Such restructuring is painful, as people who have skills and capital lose out just ask American high tech workers, or Argentinians of any walk of life. This is why while devaluation which hurts mainly foreigners at first, is often a popular step in lieu of restructuring. The problem of course is that most nations import oil. For nations trying to reign in consumption, this is not a problem making oil more expensive acts as a luxury tax. For those with enough energy to support themselves, or nearly so, it is a burden, but a manageable one. For a nation like the US, which
Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar
Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, Now we are starting to get somewhere and thank you for posting a good and fuller description of the problem. You're welcome! There are many problems with the US economy, one is the belief that they could export services to balance the lack of production. The markets for US services have failed to materialize. As pointed out, the cost of engaging in war, only worsen the situation. You are correct, but there is a belief over here that engaging in war is GOOD for the economy, and further, that we're strong enough to sustain ongoing warfare. I think the devaluation of labor expenses through currency degradation in the US serves the interests of large corporations who WANT cheap labor from desperate people in order to sustain profit margins. Witness the growing disparity between CEO salaries and wages for the average worker as an example of why powerful people are interested in maintaining the status-quo. The situation WILL get worse, but to what extent and what rate, no one can be certain. I'm convinced, however, that the policies we see in place now will be continued without respite until the whole thing collapses. Too many of us have a rather arrogant view that the world cannot exist without our market. We are large, and we seem wealthy, but much of that wealth is an illusion. In reality, fewer and fewer people are controlling more and more of the world's wealth. The article you refer to, describe the situation much better than I do, but also fail to suggest any solution. Other than maybe a meaningful devaluation with the austerity measures that must go with it. You were right about the situation in Iraq, and you're right that our current economic paradigm cannot be sustained. The solution to all of this involves the foundation principles guiding discussion on the biofuels list. We have to learn how to control our appetites for energy and develop patterns of resource use that are locally controlled and sustainable. It's not just we Americans who need to do this--though we are certainly among the most gluttonous energy users on the planet--but the entire economic structure upon which society has been built needs reconsideration. However, there are too many people who don't want to limit their appetites, and the ongoing devaluation of labor is perceived as good for business. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
well for anyone who lives in a town of less than 1500, the answer would be obvious, and probably already in use. ya gotta have a truck a gun and a veggie garden (im serious about the garden and truck - the gun is optional.) - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Joe Street asks, Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) I suggest: Implore your Federal representatives to continueraising the debt ceiling, to continue supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, to start another war in Iran, etc etc. Or better, don't waste your time. Instead, I ask you, Joe, and the List, how do you believe the average "Joe" should prepare for the inevitable demise of the US dollar??? I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm asking a real question, seeking a real answer. Might not like the answer, but I'd like to hear. Also, Keith, how will Japan be affected? Japan is one of the largest holders of US Debt. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: [Biofuel] threat to U.S. dollar Is there anything we at home can do to help speed this process? :) Joe AltEnergyNetwork wrote:http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=58951Threat against the US$ comes from countries such as Iran and Venezuela... Former Nordland University (Norway) associate professor, Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar writes: On Wednesday, May 17, the Dow Jones plunged 214 points to 11,206 -- its worst point drop since March 2003. The downward trend started a week ago and is a warning sign of troubles ahead. This sudden drop has come as a complete surprise to the unfortunate small investors and speculators. The so called “experts” point at the sudden threat of inflation as the main cause of the recent reversals in the markets. What is actually surprising is the surprise of the “experts." A cursory look at the United States’ finances will reveal the amount of pressure that its economy is under. When Bush became president in 2001, the United States’ public debt was 5.8 trillion dollars. Today the public debt stands at US$8.3 trillion. Of this over $2.2 trillion are held by foreigners. The United States has a GDP of $12.4 trillion ... this gives the US a Debt/GDP ratio of 66%, placing it in 35th place (out of 113) in the ranking of the Debtor Nations. The current account deficit of over 7% has long passed its danger levels of 4-5%. In 2005 the US government paid $325 billion only in interest payments alone. Then, there are the future obligations such as Medicare, Social Security and government pensions. These obligations amount to $54 trillion. This huge problem worried the former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan. He told congress: “As a nation, we may have already made promises to coming generations of retirees that we will be unable to fulfil.” One would think that this amount of debt would worry the president and the congress ... but apparently it does not. The United States’ Congress recently (March 2006) voted to increase the Federal debt limit to $9 trillion. Any other nation in similar circumstances would have had to approach IMF for help. The IMF would then have forced that nation to cut spending and devalue its currency ... but US does not need to do this. The US can just print some more dollars. But how long can this continue before the world loose faith in the greenback, sending it crashing to unimaginable levels. The Asian Lender The Asian countries such as Japan, China and others that hold most of the US debts have been happy to indulge the American deficit spending. This has been a two-way Street, America has kept its market open to their products and they have financed the Americans’ spending. The value of US dollar so far has been kept artificially high by Japan, China and oil-exporting countries. These countries by buying US debts have has kept interests rates relatively low in the United States and allowed Americans to keep spending even as their debts mount. But there is only so much risk these lenders (Asian and oil-exporting countries) are willing to take. Any serious devaluation of the US$ will considerably reduce the value of their national reserves (mostly kept in dollars) and the value of their debt holdings (certificates, bonds, etc.). At the same time, the devaluation will affect their exports to the US. A weaker dollar makes their products more expensive in US, thereby reducing their export earnings. Most Asian countries keep up to 70% of their reserves
[Biofuel] bio diesel burners
I am considering making a bio diesel burner to fit into a 50 gallon gas water heater that will act as my WVO drying / preheat tank. Has anybody done this? I wonder if a small version of the mother earth waste oil burner will work. I also thought i read somewhere on the JTF website or on the mailing list that somebody burned biodiesel thru a camp stove. Can anybody give me some input on this idea? r. allison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar
If the dollar devaluate, which means that many countries are prepared to take their losses and give up on US, then your produce will be in high demand/price situation. Until they give up, the imports will be very competitive and since many exporters to US are pegged to the US dollar or even use it as their currency, all your competition will not be eliminated. It might also take a while, since your government do not want you to be successful in this business. They will do almost anything to see you fail. LOL Observe that I have not delivered any doomsday predictions, on the contrary I have only described why the dollar continues to survive. Looking at the basics, it is no strength in the fundamentals for the dollar. It will however be very interesting with the new oil bourses, that will trade in Euro, this is a substantial threat. If US attack Iran, it will be the real reason, anything else will be bad excuses. Without the support of being the oil currency, the dollar might take a nose dive. We do not know, but it is interesting. Hakan At 00:41 31/05/2006, you wrote: so if i bought a big chunk of land and opened a grocery store supplied by that land, i should be fine... - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, Why should you not have any income? Is your job very dependent on imports to US? Jobs for local produce, is the same or safer, export is safer than before. Imports would sell much less and a lot of jobs will be lost. It is many countries in the past, who have done 30 to 50% write down of their currencies. It is an adjustment to reflect the true value of the assets and businesses. I have experienced countries with 20 to 30% devaluation. The dollar in US is not worthless after a devaluation, you have to shift what you buy for it. You have to buy more US produced food, which is less effected by an devaluation. It is of course a major health risk, but you have no choice. Some national businesses will try to take advantage of the situation, but normally the government will introduce price control to stop this. To prepare? You can buy a low consuming foreign diesel car now, it is a win-win anyway you see it, with or without devaluation. It will be very cheap to buy an American car after devaluation, but the running cost will not be sustainable. US will lose much of its financial wealth, import jobs are going to be lost. The average Joe will not go under in any way, but the wealthy 10% of the population, will be hurt a lot and many fortunes wiped out. Why US have been allowed to run so large debts and deficits, is because a lot of foreign fortunes will be wiped out also. The one who is the least effected, is the average American Joe, employed in local produce, distribution, export etc. Hakan At 17:55 30/05/2006, you wrote: Hi Hakan...thanks for this well thought out response. I've read it carefully and tried to use my imagination more, but I'm still not clear on how any of us in the USA might specifically prepare for this. It seems having the house paid off is a good thing, although I'm not sure how I might pay property taxes and insurance if I have no income. What types of services do you think will fail and survive? I suppose if there is any stuff in the house I want to sell on eBay, I need to get it done immediately. Of course, what good will it do to have worthless US Dollars? I'm wondering if I should be buying Euros and socking them away??? If there are other people or places you feel I should turn to for these answers, please advise. Thanks again. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAMPROB:51%] Re: threat to U.S. dollar Mike, It is not like US will implode, it can still largely maintain prices on domestic products. Imports will however effect price levels and domestic production that use large amounts of energy, will have to correct pricing. Since US is importing a lot of the energy use and also that the domestic energy production will follow the world markets, it is a much that will be effected. The US export will be effected positively and offset some of the negatives as a nation, but the average Joe will see this as negative and lowering of living standard. US will see a rush to buy US properties, companies and corporations by foreigners, which will be cheap and a way to use the large $ holdings. This will be a circus and US will try, within the limits, to stop this owner shifts. If they do nothing, it will be bad and if they do too much, it will be worse for the
Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=Number=715114page=0view=collapsedsb=1o=14fpart=1 http://oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?s=04f71ccb549b6e975bf5b54cb2d59ce2threadid=3524 http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/digests/FSJ-2250/fsj-2278.txt ___ Heisenberg may have slept here If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe. --Abraham Lincoln ___ - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sounds like a great idea to me. I bet you'd loose some top end power on the highway, but gain some low end torque, and probably get 50% better mileage too. I've heard of someone doing this in a toyota pickup (wonder how they handled the weight of a 300TD in that?), and said it had much more power than the toyota diesel (2.4 liter turbo), and much quieter as well. You'd use the same transmission as in there now, or put the 4wd transfer case on the back of the 4speed auto from the Merc? The mercedes automatic wasn't ever really a very good transmission, kinda soft, and this one is quite old. The ford manual is a granny gear 1st 4speed, so I'd rather keep it. This is/will remain a 'work truck'. I sure would like to keep the ford xmission. It seems, that the OM617 turbo diesel is just about the most ubiquitous engine of that type in the US. They are all over the place, and can be had for reasonably little money. I'm a little suprised there isn't more info about swapping this engine around. thanx again. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] bio diesel burners
I haven't had much luck with a BrightLyt stove on BD - though some people report it burns BD fine. I think Keith uses an old roarer which you used to see out in the backcountry. There is a stoves page on JtF. You could also look at www.woodgas.com - not BD but pretty cool. -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am considering making a bio diesel burner to fit into a 50 gallon gas water heater that will act as my WVO drying / preheat tank. Has anybody done this? I wonder if a small version of the mother earth waste oil burner will work. I also thought i read somewhere on the JTF website or on the mailing list that somebody burned biodiesel thru a camp stove. Can anybody give me some input on this idea? r. allison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] U.S. dollar
I don't see a wholesale collapse of the US economy. I do think the dollar will continue to slide until the country elects some Republicans or Democrats. I am not sure what to call the gang in power now; they are most certainly NOT Republicans. I'm also not sure how successful the Iranian oil bourse will be - so they'll get Euros. Big whoop. All major markets are still denominated in dollars. Maybe they can buy nuclear thechnology from France. Also, say what you want about the US but it is still by far the most dynamic economy in the world. China and India still have significant infrastructure, corruption, pollution and transparency issues to overcome. Don't get me wrong - the concerted effort to destroy our economic system perpetuated by the Bush Administration will (and has) have an effect. And whose to say China and the other Asian countries holding out debt won't decide to trim our sails a bit. A very small sell off would devastating. From Safehaven: The US Dollar has been the reserve currency of the world since the end of WW2 and the Bretton Woods Agreement (July 1944). Bretton Woods signalled the end of the British Pound as the worlds reserve currency. The Pound was the principal currency of the world for over 100 years from 1816 to 1933 and it was backed by gold. But at the outset of WW1 Britain and other European countries came off the gold standard because of the financial dislocations caused by the war. The US$ still backed by gold slowly began to replace the faltering British Pound but by 1933 the US joined them in coming off the gold standard due to the deteriorating deflationary conditions of the Great Depression. The period was also marked by the collapse in international trade and financial flows prior To WW2. With Britain and Europe in ruins after WW2 the way was clear for the US, who emerged unscathed by war to assume the role as the world's reserve currency and the king of the international financial markets. And backing the US Dollar was once again convertibility into gold. The Bretton Woods Agreement saw other key features such as fixed but adjustable exchange rates against the US Dollar and the birth of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank. **What will happen to the US as it is flat on its back engaged in Afganistan, Iraq and Iran? With Europe, China and India wait politely as we sort it out? I doubt it. I don't think China is playing for second place. But by the early 1970's growing structural imbalances amongst the world's leading economies led to increased currency speculation, the floating of the Pound Sterling followed by others, and deteriorating confidence in the US Dollar. The gold standard and Bretton Woods collapsed in 1971 and by 1973 the floating exchange rate system took hold. Since then we have been through a roller coaster ride for the US Dollar and numerous other currencies. The US Dollar after falling precipitously through the 1970's regained strength in the 1980's particularly following the election of the Reagan administration in 1980. That ended in 1985 with the Plaza Accord as the strong US Dollar was causing structural imbalances with the growing US twin deficits of budget and trade (sound familiar). In less then two years the US Dollar lost half its value. The 1990's was the decade of currency crises. The British Pound (1992), the Mexican Peso (1994), the Asian contagion (1997) followed by Asian Contagion II in 1998 along with the collapse of the Russian Ruble. This led to the collapse of the giant hedge fund Long Term Capital Management (LTCM) that required the Federal Reserve to bail the banks that were threatened with collapse. To a lesser degree we also had the Turkish Lira crisis and numerous currency and financial woes in Latin America especially Argentina. And least we forget, the Canadian Dollar also fell to new multi year lows although it was never described as a crisis in the same breath as any of the above. But the biggest threat to the world's financial system was the falling US Dollar. The US did return to small trade surpluses in the early 1990's but the weak dollar was causing other problems particularly with the Japanese Yen. In 1994 the world was mired in a global recession with Japan almost in an outright depression. The US bond market collapsed in response to the weak dollar. In order to spur the Japanese and US economies and prevent a potential financial collapse the US and Japan agreed to change places. From 1995-2000 the stated goal of the Clinton Administration was a strong dollar. During each and every currency crisis the Federal Reserve stepped in and either cut interest rates and/or provided massive doses of liquidity to the banking system in order to stem any crisis. We saw this in 1994 following the Mexican Peso crisis, again in 1997 and especially 1998 after LTCM and the Asian Contagion crisis. Then along came Y2K (1999) and
Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu
A MB from a 240D (I believe) will bolt right to a 3.0 litre 5 banger. Chip Mefford wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote: Sounds like a great idea to me. I bet you'd loose some top end power on the highway, but gain some low end torque, and probably get 50% better mileage too. I've heard of someone doing this in a toyota pickup (wonder how they handled the weight of a 300TD in that?), and said it had much more power than the toyota diesel (2.4 liter turbo), and much quieter as well. You'd use the same transmission as in there now, or put the 4wd transfer case on the back of the 4speed auto from the Merc? The mercedes automatic wasn't ever really a very good transmission, kinda soft, and this one is quite old. The ford manual is a granny gear 1st 4speed, so I'd rather keep it. This is/will remain a 'work truck'. I sure would like to keep the ford xmission. It seems, that the OM617 turbo diesel is just about the most ubiquitous engine of that type in the US. They are all over the place, and can be had for reasonably little money. I'm a little suprised there isn't more info about swapping this engine around. thanx again. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Castorbean supply
i have here in my grubby little mitt, twenty castor beans, ready to grow. i recieved them from a flower supplier who professes to grow everything organically in compost and topsoil. (www.dianesseeds.com) she deals mostly in flowers, but castor plants are considered decorative so while not exactly cost effective initially, 20 plants can easily offer up scores of seeds. does anyone see a problem with my logic pattern? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] more goofy questions
what other, more available acids can be used in place of phosphoric to clean glycerine for compost? i have been reading for three hours, and i cant find any experiments or documentation. am i not looking in the right places? has anyone tried using vinegar? this is really bothering me. any ideas? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
