Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!

[Thomas Kelly]

Charles,
 I think that if you drop back to 80 L you are still making a goodly bit 
of fuel. You still may have to tweak the process  ... increase time and or 
temp. Get it right there and then go up in 5 or 10L increments, testing each 
batch, and again, tweaking, if necessary.
 I went from small test batches and slowly increased volume up to 20 - 
25 L batches. I then jumped up to 130L batches.
When I discovered that the biodiesel wasn't as good as I thought, I 
dropped back to 76L (20 gal)batches. After increasing processing time and 
then increasing temp to 140F (60C) , I finally began to consistently make BD 
that passed the methanol solubility test and did not drop out additional 
glycerine when I reprocessed 1L of finished product.
 The limitation on my system seems to be about 91L (24 gal) and is 
probably the volume limit of my pump, a 1 Clearwater pump.
 I still quality test each batch, not just to be sure of the fuel, but 
as a maintenance test for the processor and the materials being used. Is my 
recovered methanol pure enough? (If I use the first 4 gal I recover, the BD 
passes the quality test. When I use the first 6 gallons, little buggers show 
up in the methanol sol. test).
 Slow and methodical pays off.
 Best of luck.
 Let me know how it goes,
Tom

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From: Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!


 Hi Tom

 Thanks for the reply

 I see your point- I scaled up from 40l (with a different processor)
 to 150l and I should have gone slower. I was just so keen to get
 going! My newly built pump and processor will handle 150l- but where
 do you think I should start? Should I scale right back to 50l and
 work up slowly or could I start at around 80l?

 Charles

 On 16/06/2006, at 12:44 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:

 Charles,
  Originally you wrote:
 I have just scaled up to a 150l processor . 
 I have done as suggested on JtF and scaled up slowly, learning as
 I go.
 Unfortunately, my first couple of big
 batches (using creamy canola oil) have not gone so well

  At what point did you start having problems?
  In other words how did you progress? (25L?  50L?  etc.)
 leading up to
 150L.
  I would suggest that you learn and then perform quality tests
 described
 at JTF (in addition to the wash test) as you scale up. Checking
 to see if
 the BD is soluble in methanol (JTF: Quality Testing) is as easy as
 performing the wash test. Pass or fail, use the methanol from the
 test in
 your next batch.
   Using quality tests on my BD as I scaled up allowed me to
 tweak the
 process (volume of WVO, temp, time).
 The limit for my processor seems to be about 91L.

  Following misinformation from another group, I scaled up to 130L
 batches, only to find out, after learning about quality testing at
 JTF, that
 I was NOT making quality fuel.
 My batches passed the wash test, but failed upon reprocessing
 (1L), and
 also failed the methanol solubility test.
  This poor quality fuel (incomplete reactions) had been poured
 into my
 into my heating oil tank  --- roughly 30% BD : 70% petro. While I
 was away
 the burner failed to start. Fuel had leaked out onto the floor. The
 service tech told my wife that the nozzle had some crap on it  
 sputtering fuel that dribbled out onto the floor. The electrodes
 also had
 some coking.
  I suspect that poor quality fuel can be burned in a boiler,
 but may
 need preheating and pump pressure  increased. I had to replace the
 nozzle
 twice more as well as clean the electrodes, while adding only
 quality BD to
 the tank. After using good BD I had no problems w. a 30% blend, w/o
 any
 modifications to the burner.
  I now use 100% biodiesel to heat my house and to heat water.
 At about
 50 - 60% BD I had some start-up problems, corrected by increasing pump
 pressure, nozzle change, and decreasing air flow.

  I've never tried to reprocess a BD-petro blend.

   Best of luck,
  Tom


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 Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!


 Hi again

 Unfortunately no-one has answered my last post- have I found an
 insurmountable problem?!

 Going back a few steps and trying to figure out what's going on, I've
 done some more 1l batches on the original WVO I used in my process,
 using 9.5g of 90% KOH I got three layers- lovely bio for the top 1/2
 (which passed the wash test and burnt fine), then some original oil
 unreacted, then some glycerine. Using 10.8g KOH I got very dark bio
 on top, which passes the wash test but doesn't burn, then glycerine
 at the bottom (looks like the right amount), but no oil un-reacted! I
 have trawled the archives but I can't 

Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Mike Redler]

I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the 
urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land 
and would welcome a crop that climbs.

...just a thought.

Mike


Jason Katie wrote:
 i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over 
 a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;)

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 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans


   
 Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can 
 help.

 Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine 
 in
 long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for
 transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so
 picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take
 for your Castor beans to sprout all up?

 My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and 
 stuck
 them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are
 starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be
 done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow
 quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth.

 Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action 
 or
 small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings.

 All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots
 ready for planting out.

 Doug

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[Biofuel] Arctic sea level falling

[Kirk McLoren]

BBC News' report that "[1]Arctic sealevel has been falling by a little over 2mm a year — a movement that setsthe region against the global trend of rising waters. ... It is wellknown that the world's oceans do not share a uniform height; but even so,the scientists are somewhat puzzled by their results."Discuss this story at: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/06/15/1328230Links: 0. mailto:MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.f303.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "us.f303.mail.yahoo.com" claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5076322.stm 
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[Biofuel] T Bill rates

[Kirk McLoren]

I have read some good arguments they will hit double digit fairly soon.  Kirk  T-Bill Rates  FY2002FY2003FY2004FY2005FY2006  Jul. 20013.58%Jul. 20021.71%Jul. 20030.90%Jul. 20041.34%Jul. 20053.27%  Aug. 20013.44%Aug. 20021.64%Aug. 20030.96%Aug. 20041.49%Aug. 20053.50%  Sept. 20012.80%Sept. 20021.65%Sept.
 20030.95%Sept. 20041.67%Sep. 20053.48%  Oct. 20012.19%Oct. 20021.60%Oct. 20030.93%Oct. 20041.78%Oct. 20053.76%  Nov. 20011.90%Nov. 20021.25%Nov. 20030.94%Nov. 20042.10%  Nov. 20053.96%  Dec. 2001   
 1.72%Dec. 20021.20%Dec. 20030.90%Dec. 20042.22%  Dec. 20053.97%  Jan. 20021.68%Jan. 20031.18%Jan. 20040.89%Jan. 20052.36%  Jan. 2006 
   4.31%  Feb. 20021.75%Feb. 20031.18%Feb. 20040.93%Feb. 20052.58%  Feb. 20064.54%  Mar. 20021.81%Mar. 20031.14%Mar. 20040.95%Mar. 20052.79%  Mar. 20064.62%  Apr. 20021.74%Apr. 20031.14%Apr. 20040.95%Apr. 20052.82%  Apr. 20064.71%  May 20021.75%May 20031.08%May 20041.03%May 20052.88%  May. 20064.82%  Jun. 20021.72%Jun. 20030.93%Jun. 20041.26%Jun. 20053.02%FY2002average:  2.17%  FY2003average:  1.31%  FY2004average:  0.97%   FY2005average:   2.25%   FY2006average:  x.xx%  
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Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries

[Terry Dyck]

HI Kirk,

Do you not think that a hybrid SUV is a conflict considering that many small 
cars such as a Toyota Echo get better gas milage than a hybrid SUV?  What 
might be better would be a Smart Car size vehicle with a diesel plug in 
Electric Hybrid.

Terry Dyck


From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT)

I suspect with the projected prices and profits that they will not need new 
refineries. When fuel hits $5 as I suspect it will most of us wont take 
motor vacations etc. Carpooling will be back in vogue and SUVs will be 
hybrids.

   Kirk

Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   This is one of those times I smell a rat, but can't find/prove it. In
regards to environmental requirements, in the industry previously
claimed the costs where too high and the consumer wouldn't pay the
price. Here we are now: No refineries where not built and the consumer
is paying unprecedented prices that result in higher profits for the
industry. Chances are the industry will be allowed to build new
refineries that don't meet the stricter environmental require, pocketing
the savings. The cynic in me has to feel that in no way, even with
relaxed environmental regulations, will the industry build capacity to
significantly increase supply. Oh well...
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA

Keith Addison wrote:
  http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/06/06/no_new_refineries.php
 
  No New Refineries
 
  Frank O'Donnell

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[Biofuel] Keeping Iraq's Oil in the Ground

[Keith Addison]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061406J.shtml
Greg Palast |
Keeping Iraq's Oil in the Ground
By Greg Palast
AlterNet

Wednesday 14 June 2006

World oil production today stands at more than twice the 
15-billion a-year maximum projected by Shell Oil in 1956 - and 
reserves are climbing at a faster clip yet. That leaves the question, 
Why this war?

Did Dick Cheney send us in to seize the last dwindling supplies? 
Unlikely. Our world's petroleum reserves have doubled in just 
twenty-five years - and it is in Shell's and the rest of the 
industry's interest that this doubling doesn't happen again. The 
neo-cons were hell-bent on raising Iraq's oil production. Big Oil's 
interest was in suppressing production, that is, keeping Iraq to its 
OPEC quota or less. This raises the question, did the petroleum 
industry, which had a direct, if hidden, hand, in promoting invasion, 
cheerlead for a takeover of Iraq to prevent overproduction?

It wouldn't be the first time. If oil is what we're looking for, 
there are, indeed, extra helpings in Iraq. On paper, Iraq, at 112 
billion proven barrels, has the second largest reserves in OPEC after 
Saudi Arabia. That does not make Saudi Arabia happy. Even more 
important is that Iraq has fewer than three thousand operating 
wells... compared to one million in Texas.

That makes the Saudis even unhappier. It would take a decade or 
more, but start drilling in Iraq and its reserves will about double, 
bringing it within gallons of Saudi Arabia's own gargantuan pool. 
Should Iraq drill on that scale, the total, when combined with the 
Saudis', will drown the oil market. That wouldn't make the Texans too 
happy either. So Fadhil Chalabi's plan for Iraq to pump 12 million 
barrels a day, a million more than Saudi Arabia, is not, to use Bob 
Ebel's (Center fro Strategic and International Studies) terminology, 
ridiculous from a raw resource view, it is ridiculous politically. 
It would never be permitted. An international industry policy of 
suppressing Iraqi oil production has been in place since 1927. We 
need again to visit that imp called history.

It began with a character known as Mr. 5%- Calouste Gulbenkian 
- who, in 1925, slicked King Faisal, neophyte ruler of the country 
recently created by Churchill, into giving Gulbenkian's Iraq 
Petroleum Company (IPC) exclusive rights to all of Iraq's oil. 
Gulbenkian flipped 95% of his concession to a combine of western oil 
giants: Anglo-Persian, Royal Dutch Shell, CFP of France, and the 
Standard Oil trust companies (now ExxonMobil and its sisters.) The 
remaining slice Calouste kept for himself - hence, Mr. 5%.

The oil majors had a better use for Iraq's oil than drilling it - 
not drilling it. The oil bigs had bought Iraq's concession to seal it 
up and keep it off the market. To please his buyers' wishes, Mr. 5% 
spread out a big map of the Middle East on the floor of a hotel room 
in Belgium and drew a thick red line around the gulf oil fields, 
centered on Iraq. All the oil company executives, gathered in the 
hotel room, signed their name on the red line - vowing not to drill, 
except as a group, within the red-lined zone. No one, therefore, had 
an incentive to cheat and take red-lined oil. All of Iraq's oil, 
sequestered by all, was locked in, and all signers would enjoy a lift 
in worldwide prices. Anglo-Persian Company, now British Petroleum 
(BP), would pump almost all its oil, reasonably, from Persia (Iran). 
Later, the Standard Oil combine, renamed the Arabian-American Oil 
Company (Aramco), would limit almost all its drilling to Saudi 
Arabia. Anglo-Persian (BP) had begun pulling oil from Kirkuk, Iraq, 
in 1927 and, in accordance with the Red-Line Agreement, shared its 
Kirkuk and Basra fields with its IPC group - and drilled no more.

The following was written three decades ago:

Although its original concession of March 14, 1925, cove- red all of 
Iraq, the Iraq Petroleum Co., under the owner- ship of BP (23.75%), 
Shell (23.75%), CFP [of France] (23.75%), Exxon (11.85%), Mobil 
(11.85%), and [Calouste] Gulbenkian (5.0%), limited its production to 
fields constituting only one-half of 1 percent of the country's total 
area. During the Great Depression, the world was awash with oil and 
greater output from Iraq would simply have driven the price down to 
even lower levels.

Plus ça change...

When the British Foreign Office fretted that locking up oil would 
stoke local nationalist anger, BP-IPC agreed privately to pretend to 
drill lots of wells, but make them absurdly shallow and place them 
where, wrote a company manager, there was no danger of striking 
oil. This systematic suppression of Iraq's production, begun in 
1927, has never ceased. In the early 1960s, Iraq's frustration with 
the British-led oil consortium's failure to pump pushed the nation to 
cancel the BP-Shell-Exxon concession and seize the oil fields. 
Britain was ready to strangle Baghdad, but a 

Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries

[Kirk McLoren]

The consumers are voting with their money and SUV seems to get a lot of votes. So helping an SUV consume less is perhaps not a perfect solution but one the market supports.KirkTerry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  HI Kirk,Do you not think that a hybrid SUV is a conflict considering that many small cars such as a Toyota Echo get better gas milage than a hybrid SUV? What might be better would be a Smart Car size vehicle with a diesel plug in Electric Hybrid.Terry DyckFrom: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] No New RefineriesDate: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT)I suspect with the projected prices and profits that
 they will not need new refineries. When fuel hits $5 as I suspect it will most of us wont take motor vacations etc. Carpooling will be back in vogue and SUVs will be hybrids. KirkDoug Younker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: This is one of those times I smell a rat, but can't find/prove it. Inregards to environmental requirements, in the industry previouslyclaimed the costs where too high and the consumer wouldn't pay theprice. Here we are now: No refineries where not built and the consumeris paying unprecedented prices that result in higher profits for theindustry. Chances are the industry will be allowed to build newrefineries that don't meet the stricter environmental require, pocketingthe savings. The cynic in me has to feel that in no way, even withrelaxed environmental regulations, will the industry build capacity tosignificantly increase
 supply. Oh well...Doug, N0LKKKansas USAKeith Addison wrote:  http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/06/06/no_new_refineries.php   No New Refineries   Frank O'Donnell___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
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Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Juan Boveda]

Hello Mike Redler.
That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a 
weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a 
half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it 
can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are 
planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor 
and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.
Best Regards.

Juan Boveda
Paraguay


-original-
From:   Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   3/30/ 2006 5:38
For:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from 
Castor

Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel
brewing using small-scale plants?  I am told that castor oil dissolves
in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process.  I'm
also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze
even below -20 deg C.  Any pointers to more specific info along these 
lines?

I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start
with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do
with as much existing wisdom as  we can get our hands on, especially
because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal
consumption.  Many thanks in advance for any help.

Chandan

Hi Chandan

I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some
information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before,
I think other list members may have direct experience of it.

List archives:
http://snipurl.com/oeit
Search results for 'castor'

The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was
that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put
people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says:
Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of
detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be
fed to livestock.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html
Ricinus communis

The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's
also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a
much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude
indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems
to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding
reputation of being an excellent motor oil.

This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally:

http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html
Castor Oil as Biofuel  Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil
as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel

Others:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html
Castorbeans

http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis
Ricinus communis

http://snipurl.com/oeiu
The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel
order from IOC
Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC
Mumbai , Aug 3

http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml
Energy in a Castor Bean
The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for
creating biodiesel, say Brazilian experts.

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html
First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the
biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off.
 From Oils  Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue

Hope this helps.

Best

Keith





From:   Mike Redler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   6/16/2006 10:59
For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the
urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land
and would welcome a crop that climbs.

...just a thought.

Mike


Jason Katie wrote:
 i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just 
over
 a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;)

 Jason
 ICQ#:  154998177
 MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me)

 - Original Message -
 From: lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans



 Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can
 help.

 Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had 
mine
 in
 long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for
 transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so
 picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it 
take
 for your Castor beans to sprout all up?

 My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and
 stuck
 them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings 
are
 starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be
 done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the 

Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Mike Weaver]

It is used in the states as decorative plant

Juan Boveda wrote:

Hello Mike Redler.
That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a 
weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a 
half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it 
can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are 
planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor 
and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.
Best Regards.

Juan Boveda
Paraguay


-original-
From:  Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:  3/30/ 2006 5:38
For:   Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:   Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from 
Castor

  

Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel
brewing using small-scale plants?  I am told that castor oil dissolves
in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process.  I'm
also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze
even below -20 deg C.  Any pointers to more specific info along these 


lines?
  

I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start
with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do
with as much existing wisdom as  we can get our hands on, especially
because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal
consumption.  Many thanks in advance for any help.

Chandan



Hi Chandan

I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some
information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before,
I think other list members may have direct experience of it.

List archives:
http://snipurl.com/oeit
Search results for 'castor'

The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was
that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put
people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says:
Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of
detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be
fed to livestock.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html
Ricinus communis

The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's
also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a
much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude
indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems
to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding
reputation of being an excellent motor oil.

This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally:

http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html
Castor Oil as Biofuel  Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil
as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel

Others:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html
Castorbeans

http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis
Ricinus communis

http://snipurl.com/oeiu
The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel
order from IOC
Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC
Mumbai , Aug 3

http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml
Energy in a Castor Bean
The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for
creating biodiesel, say Brazilian experts.

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html
First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the
biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off.
 From Oils  Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue

Hope this helps.

Best

Keith





From:  Mike Redler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:  6/16/2006 10:59
For:   biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:   Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the
urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land
and would welcome a crop that climbs.

...just a thought.

Mike


Jason Katie wrote:
  

i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just 


over
  

a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;)

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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans





Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can
help.

Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had 
  

mine
  

in
long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for
transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so
picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it 
  

take
  

for your Castor beans to sprout all up?

My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and
stuck
them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings 
  

are
  

[Biofuel] [Fwd: Alberta is top source of CO2 - Calgary Herald - 2006.06.16]

[Darryl McMahon]

Alberta is top source of CO2
Province home to most of Canada's biggest greenhouse gas emitters

Renata D'Aliesio, with files from Emma Poole
Calgary Herald  

Friday, June 16, 2006

Nearly all of Canada's worst industrial emitters for greenhouse gases 
are in Alberta, new national figures reveal.

Alberta companies take up seven of the top 10 spots in an Environment 
Canada inventory of 324 facilities for 2004.

This is the first time the federal government has released the list -- 
and TransAlta Corp.'s Sundance power plant in Wabamun, 70 kilometres 
west of Edmonton, ranks as the biggest industrial greenhouse gas emitter 
in the country.

The plant, part of it built as long ago as 1970, is the largest 
coal-fired electrical generating facility in Western Canada, producing 
enough energy each year to supply two million homes.

Reducing emissions is no easy task. Our plan is a long-term one because 
it involves technology change, said Bob Page, TransAlta's 
vice-president of sustainable development.

You cannot retrofit a power plant for greenhouse gases.

Four other Alberta coal plants are included in the top 10, while two 
huge oilsands projects -- Syncrude's and Suncor's -- are ranked third 
and fourth after the Nanticoke coal plant in southwestern Ontario.

In all, Alberta industry leads the country in the amount of greenhouse 
gases spewed into the air. Coal and the petroleum industries are driving 
the surge.

There is a spotlight on Alberta to deal with climate change, said 
Matthew Bramley of the Alberta environmental think-tank Pembina Institute.

But this doesn't mean the cost of dealing with emissions has to be 
crippling, said the think-tank director.

Scientists have warned for some time that greenhouse gases are 
contributing to a more rapid than normal warming of the Earth.

The Alberta government is currently studying its vulnerability to 
climate change. Preliminary research shows Medicine Hat's semi-arid 
environment will stretch much farther north, nearly to Edmonton, by 2050.

Under an international agreement to tackle climate change, the federal 
government committed to cutting emissions to six per cent below 1990 
levels by 2012. So far, the country is nowhere near meeting that goal. 
Its emissions have actually risen 26.6 per cent.

To make way for more oil and gas development, particularly in the 
oilsands, Alberta has committed to reducing the intensity of its 
emissions, but not the total.

Environment Minister Guy Boutilier, though, has said the province will 
be the first jurisdiction in Canada to regulate greenhouse gases from 
large industrial emitters.

Some of his plans have rattled executives in the energy industry.

I know (Boutilier's) statements have upset the petroleum industry, 
Premier Ralph Klein said earlier this week before delivering a speech to 
the Global Petroleum Show in Calgary. The policy is that we try to 
achieve sustainable development. In other words, we try to promote 
economic growth (and) at the same time protect the environment.

Before January's federal election, federal environment officials had 
started drafting regulations for six greenhouse gases. The new 
Conservative government has not closed the door on these regulations, 
Ryan Sparrow, spokesman for federal Environment Minister Rona Ambrose, 
said Thursday. However, environmental groups fear the government will.

There is an unwillingness to acknowledge how big this issue is, 
Bramley said. A federal climate change plan that fails to regulate 
these emissions would have little or no credibility.

Ambrose plans to introduce a made-in-Canada climate change plan in the 
fall, said Sparrow, adding that Environment Canada decided to make its 
greenhouse gas inventory of industrial emitters public so that Canadians 
could judge for themselves how companies are faring.

It's quite historic to see the data, Bramley said. It's a fundamental 
question of accountability. The public has a right to know who is 
emitting what and in what quantity.

TransAlta and other operators of coal-burning plants are banking on 
clean coal technology to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions in the 
future.

TransAlta expects to have this technology online by 2024, Page said.

This is a permanent solution -- a virtual elimination of emissions, 
Page said. This would be a huge step forward.

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[Biofuel] [Fwd: US economist wades into carbon-tax debate at progressive policy conference - Canada Press - 2006.06.15]

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US economist wades into carbon-tax debate at progressive policy
conference

CP Wire
Thu 15 Jun 2006
Section: National general news
Byline: BY BRUCE CHEADLE

MONT-TREMBLANT, Que. (CP) _ There is simply
no credible way to attack climate change without
raising the cost of carbon emissions, a celebrated
American economist from the political left told a
public policy conference Thursday.
``Be sure that without a price on carbon, there is no
(large) scaled solution to this problem,'' Jeffrey Sachs
of Columbia University told the Liberal-dominated
Canada 2020 conference.
``That is the first requirement.''
Sachs, who circles the globe excoriating U.S. foreign
policy and advocating for a full-scale assault on
Third World poverty, was supposed to give a speech
on improving Canada's international impact.
But he began the session by throwing open the floor
microphones with an angry question as to whether
Canada is really abandoning the Kyoto protocol on
greenhouse gas emissions.
His caustic assessment of Prime Minister Stephen
Harper's decision to ``just blow off Kyoto because it's
mildly inconvenient'' was an easy sell for many of the
160 conference participants.
But talk of carbon taxes is highly uncomfortable for
Liberals these days after leadership candidate
Michael Ignatieff raised the prospect during a
leadership debate last weekend, only to be pilloried
by his fellow candidates and the Conservative
government.
Another leadership candidate, Gerard Kennedy, says
Canada should impose a tax on gas-guzzling SUVs
and cut the GST on hybrid vehicles to help meet its
Kyoto commitments. Kennedy said those measures
would be more effective than a carbon tax.
The two-day Canada 2020 conference, the first in
what organizers hope will become an annual
think-tank for progressive policy-makers, was billed
as an opportunity to think outside of electoral
constraints.
Few speakers waded in with the bleak vigour of
Sachs.
He alluded directly to Ignatieff's talk of carbon taxes
and stated categorically that: ``Without that price, we
are resigned to have an economic system that
prevents responsible environmental action.''
Sachs said the people who run utility companies
plead for such measures because they can't justify
clean technologies to shareholders under the current
economic model.
``You've got shareholders all over the world ready to
sue environmentally sound companies because they
do not face incentives to be environmentally sound.''
Anne McLellan, the former Liberal deputy prime
minister from Alberta, quickly distanced herself from
Sachs after the morning session.
The federal Liberal government, she said in an
interview, categorically ruled out imposing a tax on
carbon emissions.
``There are other ways to incentivize responsible
conduct on the part of the private sector,'' said
McLellan. ``Our approach was the carrot'' _ not the
stick.
Talk of carbon taxes inevitably raises the political
poison of the Liberal National Energy Program of the
1970s that knee-capped Alberta's oil and gas
industry.
But Sachs' prescription got an unjaundiced
assessment from a surprising source at the conference
Thursday.
``It's politically unpopular, but if you don't change
the price of a commodity, don't expect the usage
pattern to change at the consumer level,'' said Marvin
Romanow, the chief financial officer of Nexus Inc., a
Calgary-based oil and gas company with projects
from Yemen to the Gulf of Mexico.
There are many ways to tax carbon, said Romanow,
and the trick is to do it in a way that doesn't target a
single industry, producer or province.
``I think industry, at the end of the day, would have
very limited objections to stuff that's applied across
all sectors that produce carbon dioxide.''
Copyright (c) 2006 The Canadian Press

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[Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT!!!!

[Jason Katie]

i finally cracked to the point where i went to bed angry last night. M$ is 
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Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Addison Griffith]

I have been reading the posts concerning the casterbean and feel that I must give a little input on the subject as I have had some experience in growing the plant a few years ago. The plant grows into a stalk approximately 5-7' tall with a diameter of approximately 4', it will continue to produce seeds continuely for several months. The seeds grow from bunches withapproximately 6-8 seed pods per bunch, with each pod containing 3 seeds encased in a hard shell.  As someone else has already pointed out the seeds are very poisonous, even one seed ingested by a child or a small animal can make them very sick.  When you extract all of the oil from the seeds, what you have left is one of the most poisonous substances known to man, it is then called ricin, which is very illegal to possess in the US.I would highly suggest that the casterbean be researched very thoroughly before extracting the oil.Mike Redler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land and would welcome a crop that climbsjust a thought.MikeJason Katie wrote: i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over  a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message -  From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans  Good to hear of successes. Some questions and
 observations if you can  help. Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine  in long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take for your Castor beans to sprout all up? My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and  stuck them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth. Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action
  or small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings. All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots ready for planting out. Doug [snip] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ 
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Re: [Biofuel] DIE MICRO$OFT!!!!

[Michael Redler]

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Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Mike Redler]

Hi Juan,

I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string
bean.

...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer.

Anyway, I'll check Keith's links.

Thanks.

-Redler


Juan Boveda wrote:

  Hello Mike Redler.
That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a 
weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a 
half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it 
can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are 
planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor 
and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.
Best Regards.

Juan Boveda
Paraguay


-original-
From:	Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:	3/30/ 2006 5:38
For:	Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:	Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor

  
  
Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel
brewing using small-scale plants?  I am told that castor oil dissolves
in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process.  I'm
also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze
even below -20 deg C.  Any pointers to more specific info along these 

  
  lines?
  
  
I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start
with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do
with as much existing wisdom as  we can get our hands on, especially
because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal
consumption.  Many thanks in advance for any help.

Chandan

  
  
Hi Chandan

I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some
information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before,
I think other list members may have direct experience of it.

List archives:
http://snipurl.com/oeit
Search results for 'castor'

The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was
that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put
people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says:
"Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of
detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be
fed to livestock.MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.hort.purdue.edu" claiming to be "

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html
Ricinus communis

The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's
also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a
much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude
indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems
to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding
reputation of being an excellent motor oil.

This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally:

http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html
Castor Oil as Biofuel  Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil
as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel

Others:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html
Castorbeans

http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis
Ricinus communis

http://snipurl.com/oeiu
The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel
order from IOC
Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC
Mumbai , Aug 3

http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml
Energy in a Castor Bean
The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for
creating "biodiesel", say Brazilian experts.

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html
First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the
biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off.
 From Oils  Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue

Hope this helps.

Best

Keith
  

[snip]


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Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Jason Katie]

Ricin isnt a problem if you compost it immediately 
and keep your stocks down near zero. if youhave anegligible amount 
of the stuff on hand, keep accurate records of it, and keep it undertight 
security,noone can really say anything.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Griffith 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
  
  I have been reading the posts concerning the casterbean and feel that I 
  must give a little input on the subject as I have had some experience in 
  growing the plant a few years ago. The plant grows into a stalk approximately 
  5-7' tall with a diameter of approximately 4', it will continue to produce 
  seeds continuely for several months. The seeds grow from bunches 
  withapproximately 6-8 seed pods per bunch, with each pod containing 3 
  seeds encased in a hard shell.
  As someone else has already pointed out the seeds are very poisonous, 
  even one seed ingested by a child or a small animal can make them very 
  sick.
  When you extract all of the oil from the seeds, what you have left is one 
  of the most poisonous substances known to man, it is then called ricin, which 
  is very illegal to possess in the US.I would highly suggest that the 
  casterbean be researched very thoroughly before extracting the 
  oil.Mike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm 
wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the 
urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land 
and would welcome a crop that climbsjust a 
thought.MikeJason Katie wrote: i believe 
the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over  
a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled 
;) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: 
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Original Message -  From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 
PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans 
 Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if 
you can  help. Do the Castor seeds on 
the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine  
in long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities 
for transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time 
so picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How 
long did it take for your Castor beans to sprout all 
up? My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut 
some of the branches and  stuck them in compost and 
dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are starting 
to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be 
done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to 
grow quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new 
growth. Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from 
seeds and 17 days to see action  or small signs of 
growth from Jatropha clippings. All good to see up 
and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots ready for 
planting out. Doug 
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[Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil

[JJJN]

Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and 
molar, how much glycerin is in 1 liter of soybean oil? tallow? canola? 
Fish? (all virgin)Seems like spend time pondering questions like this of 
late.  Any one know?

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Re: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil

[Jason Katie]

arent  veggie oils like a cocktail of their own? no real specific answers, 
just an empirical average?

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Subject: [Biofuel] The amazing properties of Vegtible oil


 Is there a chemist amongst our ranks that can that can quantify % and
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