[Biofuel] The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil

[Keith Addison]

Contact: Megan Quinn

937-767-2161

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

New Documentary Film on Cuba

The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil

YELLOW SPRINGS, Ohio - May 2006 . . . The just released film, The 
Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil, documents Cuba's 
emergency transition to local organic agriculture, renewable energy, 
and large-scale mass transit. The transition occurred following the 
Soviet collapse in 1990, when their massive subsidies of imported oil 
and food to Cuba were halted.

In this documentary, ordinary Cubans talk about the immediate 
hardships they faced. Their GDP dropped by more than one third, 
transportation nearly stopped and food became scarce - the average 
Cuban lost 20 pounds during the first years of this economic crisis.

The film visits urban gardens and organic farms, explains the 
relationship between food and fossil fuels, and shows how a society 
can change from an industrialized, global focus to a local, 
community-based one. It is a rare view into this island culture, 
using firsthand reporting that focuses on what Cubans learned about 
adapting to living with less.

Cuba's experience provides a living model for how the rest of the 
world can respond to the coming world oil production peak and 
irreversible decline some oil experts say will occur this decade. 
"Everyone who is concerned about Peak Oil needs to see this film," 
said Richard Heinberg, author of The Party's Over and Powerdown. "It 
is a story not just of individual achievement, but of the collective 
mobilization of an entire society to meet an enormous challenge."

The documentary is drawing rave reviews with such comments as,

"The most uplifting portrayal of a success story coming out of 
chaos," and "A must see for survival in the next energy age beyond 
oil." Viewer Joshua Lockyer, of Atlanta said, "If we want to know how 
we as a nation are going to survive the peak oil crisis we need to 
have models...This film begins to show us how."

The Community Solution, Executive Producer of the film, is a 
non-profit organization in Yellow Springs, Ohio dedicated to seeking 
viable, low-energy options to the coming peak oil crisis. It hosts 
the annual "U.S. Conference on Peak Oil and Community Solutions," and 
offers other programs to increase public awareness about peak oil.

Producers Faith Morgan, Pat Murphy, and Megan Quinn traveled to Cuba 
in 2004 to capture Cubans' story on film. Greg Greene, videographer 
and writer/director of the documentary The End of Suburbia, and 
photographer John Morgan, traveled with them as additional crew in 
Cuba. Eric Johnson was editor and Tom Blessing IV, associate producer.

The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil runs for 53 
minutes and is available on DVD or VHS for $20 plus shipping and 
handling. To order, visit, visit 
http://www.communitysolution.org/cuba or call 937-767-2161.


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[Biofuel] Fwd: Scientists Fear Retaliation for Voicing Safety Concerns

[Keith Addison]

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:30:17 EDT
>
>LOTS OF LINKS TO RELATED MATERIALS HERE
>http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/interference/fda-scientist 
>-survey.html
>---
>FDA Scientists Pressured to Exclude, Alter Findings; Scientists Fear 
>Retaliation for Voicing Safety Concerns
>Public Health and Safety Will Suffer without Leadership from FDA and Congress
>UCS, July 20, 2006
>http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/fda-scientists-pressured.html
>
>WASHINGTON, DC - The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) today 
>released survey results that demonstrate pervasive and dangerous 
>political influence of science at the Food and Drug Administration 
>(FDA). Of the 997 FDA scientists who responded to the survey, nearly 
>one-fifth (18.4 percent) said that they "have been asked, for 
>non-scientific reasons, to inappropriately exclude or alter 
>technical information or their conclusions in a FDA scientific 
>document." This is the third survey UCS has conducted to examine 
>inappropriate interference with science at federal agencies.   
>
>"Science must be the driving force for decisions made at the FDA. 
>These disturbing survey results make it clear that inappropriate 
>interference is putting people in harm's way," said Dr. Francesca 
>Grifo, Senior Scientist and Director of UCS's Scientific Integrity 
>Program. "FDA leaders should act now to improve transparency and 
>accountability and renew respect for independent science at the 
>agency."
>
>The UCS survey, which was co-sponsored by Public Employees for 
>Environmental Responsibility, was sent to 5,918 FDA scientists. 
>Forty percent of respondents fear retaliation for voicing safety 
>concerns in public. This fear, scientists say, combines with other 
>pressures to compromise the agency's ability to protect public 
>health and safety. More than a third of the respondents did not feel 
>they could express safety concerns even inside the agency.
>
>"This is more than just a bureaucratic problem within the agency," 
>said Kim Witczak, WoodyMatters.com, who lost her husband due to side 
>effects of a dangerous anti-depressant.
>
>"It has real human impacts which can be devastating. My husband paid 
>the ultimate price for FDA's lack of accountability."
>
>The survey also revealed other compelling points of concern:
>
>61 percent of the respondents knew of cases where "Department of 
>Health and Human Services or FDA political appointees have 
>inappropriately injected themselves into FDA determinations or 
>actions."
>
>Only 47 percent think the "FDA routinely provides complete and 
>accurate information to the public."
>81 percent agreed that the "public would be better served if the 
>independence and authority of FDA post-market safety systems were 
>strengthened."
>70 percent disagree with the statement that FDA has sufficient 
>resources to perform effectively its mission of "protecting public 
>health’Ķand helping to get accurate science-based information they 
>need to use medicines and foods to improve their health."
>"The FDA regulates products vital to the well-being of all 
>Americans, including food, drugs, vaccines, and medical devices," 
>said Dr. Grifo. "To fully protect public health and safety, the FDA 
>must have the best available independent scientific data."
>
>To address the concerns raised by FDA scientists, UCS recommends:
>
>’Äì  Accountability: FDA leadership must face consequences if they 
>side with commercial or political interests and not with the 
>American people.
>
>’Äì  Transparency: Scientific research and reviews should be open so 
>any undue manipulation is immediately apparent.
>
>’Äì  Protection: Safeguards must be put in place for all government 
>scientists who speak out.
>
>"What we see at the FDA, while dramatic and frightening, is all too 
>common at many federal agencies," said Dr. Grifo. "All federal 
>scientists need protections so they can speak out when their science 
>is manipulated, and all federal agencies need fully functioning 
>independent advisory committees. FDA leadership must understand and 
>support independent science and it is up to Congress to hold them 
>accountable."
>---
>Scientists at FDA tell of outside pressures
>By Justin Blum
>Bloomberg News, Fri, Jul. 21
>http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/health/15086911.htm
>
>Scientists at the Food and Drug Administration say they feel 
>pressure to alter their work for nonscientific reasons and to 
>provide misleading information, according to a survey released 
>yesterday.
>
>The FDA employees raised the concerns in an anonymous written survey 
>conducted by the Union of Concerned Scientists. The Cambridge, 
>Mass.-based nonprofit group seeks to draw attention to what it sees 
>as misuse of science and technology.
>
>"There are big problems at the FDA, particularly regarding 
>independent science," Francesca Grifo, director of the group's 
>Scientific Integrity Program, said in a telephone interview.
>
>The surve

Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

[Keith Addison]

>And/or 100,000 gallons of oil per acre when growing algae.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>\

Um, where exactly are these acres of algae each producing 100,000 
gallons of oil? Anywhere here on Planet Earth in August 2006?

:-)

Keith


>Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
> > 1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using pyrolytic distillation.
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
> >
> > > Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But
> > it would
> > > be an extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and
> > ethanol
> > > would require putting three times the productive farm land in
> > >Iowa toward
> > > nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we
> > currently import.
> > > Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem. Trouble is, that
> > much farm
> > > land is not readily available. There's also >the little nit of
> > figuring
> > > out what we eat while every scrap of land is busy working for
> > our gas
> > > tanks.
> > > Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals
> > in regular
> > > cars -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we
> > can
> > > shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates
> > >ethanol from
> > > sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of
> > ethanol in their
> > > fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been adding small
> > flex-fuel
> > > vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to >E100. Zap is
> > bringing at
> > > least one of these vehicles to US consumers next year.
> >
> > im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt anyone
> > believe in using something OTHER than corn and soy? they are NOT
> > the best
> > feedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a better supply, not
> > a higher
> > yield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was a high density stock
> > the land
> > requirement would be porportionally lower.
> >
> > for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the USA:
> > -oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48
> > gallons of soy oil.
> > -THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate the need for more
> > than 3 acres of soy.
> > which means those other 2 acres of new empty field could be
> > used for food or- OH NO! TREES!
> >
> > for gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good,
> > but more
> > climate friendly) in the USA:
> > -ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per acre compared to 214 gallons
> > of corn ethanol
> > -THEREFORE one acre of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for
> > 1.9 acres of corn.
> > you see where im going with this?
> >
> > by selective breeding of some of the more tropical varieties of
> > high density
> > stock, we can slowly push the growing regions further north,
> > increasing the
> > supply density, and lowering the acreage needed to supply the same
> > amount.
> > WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR FUEL! i might be raving like an
> > idiot, but
> > noone can seem to understand that corn and soy are not the only
> > crops in the
> > world.
> >
> > Jason
> > ICQ#: 154998177
> > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Biofuel] Coal

[JJJN]

I have never understood why when they know that putting it in the air is 
bad they would start to try and mess up the aquifers too. They will 
spend tons of money on a poor solution they can label "green" instead of 
just surrendering to a long term solution.

bob allen wrote:

>a big part of the "clean coal" scheme is archival subterranean 
>sequestration of CO2. I suspect Illinois looks better for the storage 
>of CO2- but I really doubt that such storage can  be achieved, let 
>alone proven to work for many centuries.
>
>
>Kirk McLoren wrote:
>  
>
>>Mudd said the Illinois sites in Mattoon and Tuscola both gained high 
>>scores on geological and power plant siting criteria. He singled out the 
>>Tuscola site as having ready access to three major railroads.
>>--
>>Thats so they can ship the coal. But Wyoming which is a major supplier 
>>of coal and wouldnt need to ship it didnt rate as high. LOL As for power 
>>lines to the east they already exist as well.
>>They think we have STUPID stenciled on our foreheads.
>> 
>>Kirk
>>
>>*/JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>>New Power Plant
>>
>>http://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/articles/2006/07/25/news/news01.txt
>>
>>
>>"The high-tech plant is intended to be a research tool for coal plants
>>that produce electricity and hydrogen while sequestering carbon dioxide
>>in underground geologic formations."
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Re: [Biofuel] A Primeval Tide of Toxins

[AltEnergyNetwork]

Very scary article and very sad indeed. Just another example of the many ways
we are destroying the planet,
regards
tallex

>  ---Original Message---
>  From: D. Mindock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: [Biofuel] A Primeval Tide of Toxins
>  Sent: 31 Jul '06 23:42
>  
>  
>  Altered Oceans
>     The Rise of Slime
>  A Primeval Tide of Toxins
>  
>  Runoff from modern life is feeding an explosion of primitive organisms.
>  This 'rise of slime,' as one scientist calls it, is killing larger species
>  and sickening people.
>  By Kenneth R. Weiss, Times Staff Writer
>  July 30, 2006
>  
>  
>  The fireweed began each spring as tufts of hairy growth and spread across
>  the seafloor fast enough to cover a football field in an hour.
>  
>  When fishermen touched it, their skin broke out in searing welts. Their lips
>  blistered and peeled. Their eyes burned and swelled shut. Water that
>  splashed from their nets spread the inflammation to their legs and torsos.
>  
>  "It comes up like little boils," said Randolph Van Dyk, a fisherman whose
>  powerful legs are pocked with scars. "At nighttime, you can feel them
>  burning. I tried everything to get rid of them. Nothing worked."
>  
>  Continued at:
>  http://www.latimes.com/news/local/oceans/la-me-ocean30jul30,0,952130.story
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Mike Redler]

Simon mentioned shutting down the engine at stop lights because in
Europe, it's commonplace. I travel to Switzerland every year and over
there (where rules mean everything - whether written or implied)
everybody does it. The benefit of a hybrid does not make itself known
on the highway where the power required  by the vehicle and delivered
by the engine are pretty much matched. It's the inconsistent demands
for power in traffic and side roads which cause the engine to continue
burning fuel when there is no demand and where an electric motor is
best suited.

Everyone here knows that the thing making hybrids so promising is the
combination of technologies which compliment each other and make the
best use of (fuel/energy) resources. (IMO) car companies are just
beginning to understand the potential of this simple concept. My proof
is the production
of relatively low mileage hybrids which (apparently) don't seem to have
effective regenerative
braking - enhancing the performance of the vehicle by allowing supply
and demand to literally become both positive and negative numbers.

Another benefit being missed is the option to supply electrical energy
from a source of your choosing (i.e. your home electrical outlet).
There will be a day (IMO) when home owners expand on the automotive
hybrid philosophy by applying it to their homes to which cars will have
the ability to become an integral part. The rebels out there (and on
this list) are already laying the foundation with solar, wind, modified
hybrid cars, and improvised off-grid systems. 

- Redler

robert and benita rabello wrote:

  Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES wrote:

  
  
I beg to differ. There is nothing to stop you switching the engine off when standing still. We have signs requesting you to do so at some level crossings as well.
 


  
  
You're right, and I concede that point.  However, I've never seen 
anyone do this at a stop light.  The vast majority of people remain 
content to let their engines idle.  In addition, the diesel and 
non-hybrid gas engines must burn fuel (and hence, pollute the air) when 
moving.  At city speeds, my hybrid can run on its batteries alone.


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[Biofuel] {Disarmed} Electric Cars!!!

[Luis Eduardo Puerto]

Electric cars  Not so shocking  Jul 27th 2006 | SANTA MONICAFrom The Economist print edition  High-tech entrepreneurs unveil a sporty electric car  ASK people if they would buy a new electric car and most will respond blankly. After all, electric cars have not been seen in large numbers for nearly a century, and the golf carts and milk floats that represent electrified transport today are hardly the sort of vehicle to win many people over.  And don't terminate it the first time you drive it  Tesla Motors aims to alter that perception. The venture, based in California and financed by Elon Musk, the founder of PayPal, and Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the co-founders of Google, has unveiled a
 two-seat sports car. It will cost $89,000, and Tesla aims to sell a couple of thousand of them before introducing a cheaper, four-seat version.  The car's design alone is likely to turn old-fashioned notions of electric vehicles on their head. Beyond that, Tesla makes three audacious claims. The first is that the vehicle accelerates from nought to 100km (60 miles) per hour in just four seconds. That is faster than a Ferrari. The second is that it can travel 400km on an overnight charge from an ordinary 240 volt socket. The third is that it is more environmentally friendly than a petrol-driven equivalent.  There is no doubting its breathtaking quickness. And the range of 400km is a heroic accomplishment, made possible by the use of advanced lithium-ion batteries and lightweight carbon-fibre bodywork. Dr Musk, the firm's chairman, concedes that racing Ferraris all the time would reduce the range somewhat, but points out that, using the American
 government's methodology, the car's fuel efficiency is the equivalent of 52.5km per litre of petrol (135 miles per American gallon). The average new American car gets less than 12km per litre.      auto_orange_DoFSCommand(command, args, 1);  The grand claims of greenery might sound a bit fishy, given that most electricity is made
 from fossil fuels, but several studies have shown that electric vehicles which draw their power from a grid that is itself half coal-fired (as America's is) produce less in the way of greenhouse gases than an average petrol-driven car.   Tesla, though, aims to be even greener than that, according to Dr Musk. The firm plans to offer optional solar-photoelectric systems, to be set up as a car port at home, that will be able to power the cars for 80km a day without having to draw on the grid. Given that the average driver travels less than this, the idea promises, as Dr Musk puts it, to “make our cars energy positive”—for those with Santa Monica's reliable sunshine, at least.  There was one gripe, though. Some of the petrolheads at Tesla's launch party complained that the silence of the electric motor was too alien. They missed the grunt and growl of an internal-combustion engine. A Tesla engineer nearby came back with an idea: “We'll program the
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Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

[Appal Energy]

And/or 100,000 gallons of oil per acre when growing algae.

Todd Swearingen
\

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> 1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using pyrolytic distillation.
>  
> Kirk
>
> */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
>
> WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
>
> > Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But
> it would
> > be an extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and
> ethanol
> > would require putting three times the productive farm land in
> >Iowa toward
> > nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we
> currently import.
> > Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem. Trouble is, that
> much farm
> > land is not readily available. There's also >the little nit of
> figuring
> > out what we eat while every scrap of land is busy working for
> our gas
> > tanks.
> > Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals
> in regular
> > cars -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we
> can
> > shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates
> >ethanol from
> > sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of
> ethanol in their
> > fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been adding small
> flex-fuel
> > vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to >E100. Zap is
> bringing at
> > least one of these vehicles to US consumers next year.
>
> im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt anyone
> believe in using something OTHER than corn and soy? they are NOT
> the best
> feedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a better supply, not
> a higher
> yield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was a high density stock
> the land
> requirement would be porportionally lower.
>
> for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the USA:
> -oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48
> gallons of soy oil.
> -THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate the need for more
> than 3 acres of soy.
> which means those other 2 acres of new empty field could be
> used for food or- OH NO! TREES!
>
> for gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good,
> but more
> climate friendly) in the USA:
> -ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per acre compared to 214 gallons
> of corn ethanol
> -THEREFORE one acre of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for
> 1.9 acres of corn.
> you see where im going with this?
>
> by selective breeding of some of the more tropical varieties of
> high density
> stock, we can slowly push the growing regions further north,
> increasing the
> supply density, and lowering the acreage needed to supply the same
> amount.
> WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR FUEL! i might be raving like an
> idiot, but
> noone can seem to understand that corn and soy are not the only
> crops in the
> world.
>
> Jason
> ICQ#: 154998177
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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[Biofuel] A Primeval Tide of Toxins

[D. Mindock]

Altered Oceans
   The Rise of Slime
A Primeval Tide of Toxins

 Runoff from modern life is feeding an explosion of primitive organisms. 
This 'rise of slime,' as one scientist calls it, is killing larger species 
and sickening people.
By Kenneth R. Weiss, Times Staff Writer
July 30, 2006


The fireweed began each spring as tufts of hairy growth and spread across 
the seafloor fast enough to cover a football field in an hour.

When fishermen touched it, their skin broke out in searing welts. Their lips 
blistered and peeled. Their eyes burned and swelled shut. Water that 
splashed from their nets spread the inflammation to their legs and torsos.

"It comes up like little boils," said Randolph Van Dyk, a fisherman whose 
powerful legs are pocked with scars. "At nighttime, you can feel them 
burning. I tried everything to get rid of them. Nothing worked."

Continued at: 
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/oceans/la-me-ocean30jul30,0,952130.story

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>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
>  Sent: 31 Jul '06 21:35
>  
>  what about making bricks out of it? add a hardener  and press it into
>  building materials.
>  
>  Jason
>  ICQ#:  154998177
>  MSN:  [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>  - Original Message -
>  
>  FROM:   [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirk   McLoren
>  
>  TO: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>  
>  SENT: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:18 PM
>  
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What   will you be driving?
>  
>  
>  C is infinitely easier to sequester than CO2. Is a solid at room
>  temperature and pressure.
>  
>  
>  Kirk
>  
>  _JASON& KATIE <[LINK: MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]>_ wrote:  speaking   of pyrolysis... what can we do
>  with the carbon left over in the
>  charcoal   instead of burning it? this is a solid carbon that otherwise
>  does
>  not   get into the atmosphere. can it be compacted or somehow removed from
>  the
>  short term carbon cycle? i know it sounds dumb, but if we can turn loose
>  
>  what took millions of years to put away naturally why cant we find some
>  way
>  to speed a reversal artificially? Mama pulled all that carbon out of   the
>  
>  cycle and buried it with solar power, cant we do anything to help   her do
>  it
>  again?
>  Jason
>  ICQ#: 154998177
>  MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Kirk   McLoren
>  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>  Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006   9:07 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be   driving?
>  
>  
>  1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using   pyrolytic
>  distillation.
>  
>  Kirk
>  
>  Jason& Katie   wrote:
>  
>  WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
>  
>  > Could we replace   all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But it
>  would
>  > be an   extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and
>  ethanol
>  >   would require putting three times the productive farm land in >Iowa
>  toward
>  > nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we   currently
>  import.
>  > Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem.   Trouble is, that much
>  farm
>  > land is not readily available. There's   also >the little nit of
>  figuring
>  > out what we eat while every   scrap of land is busy working for our gas
>  > tanks.
>  > Naturally,   if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals in
>  regular
>  > cars   -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we can
>  >   shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates >ethanol
>  from
>  > sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of   ethanol in
>  their
>  > fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been   adding small
>  flex-fuel
>  > vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to   >E100. Zap is bringing at
>  > least one of these vehicles to US   consumers next year.
>  
>  im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON   PEOPLE! doesnt anyone
>  believe in using something OTHER than corn and soy?   they are NOT the
>  best
>  feedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a   better supply, not a
>  higher
>  yield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was   a high density stock the
>  land
>  requirement would be porportionally   lower.
>  
>  for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the   USA:
>  -oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to   48
>  gallons of soy oil.
>  -THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate   the need for more
>  than 3 acres of soy.
>  which means those other 2 acres   of new empty field could be
>  used for food or- OH NO! TREES!
>  
>  for   gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good, but
>  more
>  climate friendly) in the USA:
>  -ethanol yield would be 412 gallons   per acre compared to 214 gallons
>  of corn ethanol
>  -THEREFORE one acre   of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for
>  1.9 acres of corn.
>  you see   where im going with this?
>  
>  by selective breeding of some of the more   tropical varieties of high
>  density
>  stock, we can slowly push the growing   regions further north, increasing
>  the
>  supply density, and lowering the   acreage needed to supply the same
>  amount.
>  WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR   FUEL! i might be raving like an idiot, 

Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[econogics]

robert and benita rabello wrote:
> Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES wrote:
>
>
>> I beg to differ. There is nothing to stop you switching the engine
>> off when standing still. We have signs requesting you to do so at
>> some level crossings as well.

I do this at certain traffic lights in both my (bio)diesel truck and my
wife's E-10 gasoline buggy.  I have to know the intersection, and when
the amber light in another direction is going to give me the 5-second
warning to restart.

Yes, starter motors are not designed to do this repeatedly at every
intersection.  Nor is the charging system on the typical ICE for the
starter battery.  However, given we are talking about a warm engine, the
load on the motor should not be excessive, nor the drain on the battery. 
However, it is a trade-off, as are so many things in life.  With synthetic
oil, BD-blend and two batteries under the hood, I don't think it's much of
an issue in the truck on a warm day with a warm engine.  The cost/benefit
ratio probably also depends on how long one expects to be sitting at the
intersection.  At the one where I do this most often, it can be up to 90
seconds before I get a left turn light - and occasionally longer if the
sensor / control system decide to skip a cycle for my lane.

In my electric vehicles, I do this at every intersection.

In my limited experience with hybrids, I cannot control whether the
engine shuts off while stopped at an intersection - it depends on what
the computer thinks about the state of the batteries, and if the air
conditioning is running.

> You're right, and I concede that point.  However, I've never seen
> anyone do this at a stop light.  The vast majority of people remain
> content to let their engines idle.  In addition, the diesel and
> non-hybrid gas engines must burn fuel (and hence, pollute the air)
> when moving.  At city speeds, my hybrid can run on its batteries
> alone.

Seeing as I'm responding to a message in this thread anyway, here are a
few related thoughts.

Diesel vs. diesel hybrids.  Look into the fuel economy achieved by the
PNGV prototypes.  Still impressive.

Hybrids vs. non-hybrid ICEs.  The fuel economy advantage of hybrids is
falling with more recent models as the automakers are focusing on getting
more performance (acceleration) from the integrated drive trains (both
providing power at the same time) than on fuel economy.

Actual fuel economy for hybrids is most closely related to the driving
mission profile, followed by driver behaviour.  The hybrid has no
advantage in highway driving, in fact a slight disadvantage due to
additional weight and fuel spent charging the battery.  In stop-and-go
driving (typical urban profile, where most vehicle driving is actually
done but where careful measurements of fuel economy are more complex and
less likely to be done), the earlier hybrids could shine.  The Gen-1 Prius
got higher fuel economy in the city than on the highway.  I had a lot of
trouble getting folks at the Renewable Energy Round-up in 2002 to accept
this.  They saw the sticker, and automatically assumed the higher number
was the highway figure.  I had to make them look again to see it was the
reverse.  Auto magazine writers are not likely to do a review based on
city driving - they want to get out on the open road and open it up - even
though this is not the way most of us drive most of the time.  Insight
drivers have friendly competitions to see who can squeeze the most
distance out of a volume of fuel, and they routinely exceed the EPA
ratings, city and highway, by learning how to drive for economy.  Of
course, the Insight and Prius actually provide instrumentation so the
driver can figure out their instantaneous fuel consumption - rare on a
conventional ICE.

Reason.org.  I think Kirk covered this point.

I have not yet read the Spinella study the article was based on (nor am I
in a hurry to do so), but I'm skeptical that a GM Hummer (say an H2 or H3)
is going to last 3 times as many miles as a Toyota or Honda hybrid.  Prius
vehicles have already done more than 100,000 miles.

"A THS-I (2000-2003) Prius had over 400,000km on it (~248,000 miles),
without incident and without the battery failing. In fact Toyota bought it
back from the owner to take it apart and analyze the engine components to
make it even better."
(http://digg.com/tech_news/Why_Your_Hummer_Consumes_Less_Energy_Than_a_Prius
Look for post by nogami dated 7/19/06)

I can't verify that statement, but that sounds like the Toyota I have come
to know.  The warranty on the Gen1 Prius is eight years, no mileage
restriction, no pro-rating.  My personal experience with GM products is
not nearly as encouraging (back in the shop today at 105,000 km with
multiple issues).

If you do primarily highway driving, find a vehicle with good highway fuel
economy and meets your needs and get that (be it a Suzuki Swift - Aveo in
Chevy colours, or a Toyota Echo or whatever).  Then try to keep your speed
down to 100 km/hr or less and your fuel

[Biofuel] power on tap - water powered car?

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< http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/07/28/1750967.htm >

Power on tap

(New Scientist Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) FORGET cars fuelled
 by alcohol and vegetable oil. Before long, you might be able to
 run your car with nothing more than water in its fuel tank. It
 would be the ultimate zero-emissions vehicle.

While water, plain old H2O, is not at first sight an obvious power
 source, it has a key virtue: it is an abundant source of hydrogen,
 the element widely touted as the green fuel of the future. If 
that hydrogen could be liberated on demand, it would overcome
 many of the obstacles that till now have prevented the dream
 of a hydrogen-powered car becoming reality. Producing hydrogen
 by conventional industrial means is expensive, inefficient and
 often polluting. Then there are the problems of storing and 
transporting hydrogen. The pressure tanks required to hold usable
 quantities of the fuel are heavy and cumbersome, which restricts
 the car's performance and range.

Tareq Abu-Hamed, now at the University of Minnesota, and colleagues
 at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel, have 
devised a scheme that gets round these problems. By reacting
 water with the element boron, their system produces hydrogen
 that can be burnt in an internal combustion engine or fed to
 a fuel cell to generate electricity. "The aim is to produce
 the hydrogen on-board at a rate matching the demand of the 
car engine," says Abu-Hamed. "We want to use the boron to save
 transporting and storing the hydrogen." The only by-product
 is boron oxide, which can be removed from the car, turned
 back into boron, and used again. What's more, Abu-Hamed 
envisages doing this in a solar-powered plant that is completely
 emission-free.

Simple chemistryThe team calculates that a car would have to
 carry just 18 kilograms of boron and 45 litres of water to
 produce 5 kilograms of hydrogen, which has the same energy 
content as a 40-litre tank of conventional fuel. An Israeli
 company has begun designing a prototype engine that works
 in the same way, and the Japanese company Samsung has built
 a prototype scooter based on a similar idea.

The hydrogen-on-demand approach is based on some simple 
high-school chemistry. Elements like sodium and potassium
 are well known for their violent reactions with water, 
tearing hydrogen from its stable union with oxygen. Boron
 does the same, but at a more manageable pace. It requires
 no special containment, and atom for atom it's a light
 material. When all the boron is used up, the boron oxide
 that remains can be reprocessed and recycled.

Abu-Hamed and his team are not the first to investigate 
hydrogen-on-demand vehicles. The car giant DaimlerChrysler
 built a concept vehicle called Natrium (after the Latin
 word for sodium, from which the element's Na symbol is drawn),
 which used slightly more sophisticated chemistry to generate
 its hydrogen. Instead of pure water as the source of the gas,
 it used a solution of the hydrogen-heavy compound sodium 
borohydride. When passed over a precious-metal catalyst such
 as ruthenium, the compound reacts with water to liberate
hydrogen that can be fed to a fuel cell. It was enough to 
give the Natrium a top speed of 130 kilometres per hour and
 a respectable range of 500 kilometres, but DaimlerChrysler
 axed the project in 2003 because of difficulties in 
providing the necessary infrastructure to support the car
 in an efficient, environmentally friendly way.

Engineuity, an Israeli start-up company run by Amnon Yogev,
 a former Weizmann Institute scientist, is working on a 
similar strategy, but using the reaction between aluminium
 wire and water to generate hydrogen. In Engineuity's design,
 the tip of the metal wire is ignited and dipped into water
 to begin splitting the water molecules. The liberated hydrogen
 is piped into the engine alongside the resulting steam, where
 it is mixed with air and burnt. Engineuity is looking for 
investors to pay for a prototype, and claims it will be able
 to commercialise its idea "in a few years' time". The US 
company PowerBall Technologies envisages a hydrogen-on-demand
 engine containing plastic balls filled with sodium hydride
 powder that are split to dump the contents into water, where
 it reacts to produce hydrogen.

Abu-Hamed says the generation of hydrogen for his team's engine
 would be regulated by controlling the flow of water into a 
series of tanks containing powdered boron. To kick-start the
 reaction, the water has to be supplied as vapour heated to
 several hundred degrees, so the car will still require some
 start-up power, possibly from a battery. Once the engine is
 running, the heat generated by the highly exothermic oxidation
 reaction between boron and water could be used to warm the 
incoming water, Abu-Hamed says. Alternatively, small amounts
 of hydrogen could be diverted from the engine and stored for
 use as the start-up fuel. Water produced when the hydrogen 
is b

Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

[Jason& Katie]

what about making bricks out of it? add a hardener 
and press it into building materials.
JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirk 
  McLoren 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What 
  will you be driving?
  
  C is infinitely easier to sequester than CO2. Is a solid at room 
  temperature and pressure.
   
  KirkJason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  speaking 
of pyrolysis... what can we do with the carbon left over in the charcoal 
instead of burning it? this is a solid carbon that otherwise does not 
get into the atmosphere. can it be compacted or somehow removed from the 
short term carbon cycle? i know it sounds dumb, but if we can turn loose 
what took millions of years to put away naturally why cant we find some 
way to speed a reversal artificially? Mama pulled all that carbon out of 
the cycle and buried it with solar power, cant we do anything to help 
her do it again?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: Kirk 
McLorenTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 
9:07 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be 
driving?1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using 
pyrolytic distillation.KirkJason& Katie 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:WHAT!?!?!?!?!?> Could we replace 
all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But it would> be an 
extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and ethanol> 
would require putting three times the productive farm land in >Iowa 
toward> nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we 
currently import.> Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem. 
Trouble is, that much farm> land is not readily available. There's 
also >the little nit of figuring> out what we eat while every 
scrap of land is busy working for our gas> tanks.> Naturally, 
if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals in regular> cars 
-- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we can> 
shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates >ethanol 
from> sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of 
ethanol in their> fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been 
adding small flex-fuel> vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to 
>E100. Zap is bringing at> least one of these vehicles to US 
consumers next year.im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON 
PEOPLE! doesnt anyonebelieve in using something OTHER than corn and soy? 
they are NOT the bestfeedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a 
better supply, not a higheryield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was 
a high density stock the landrequirement would be porportionally 
lower.for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the 
USA:-oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 
48gallons of soy oil.-THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate 
the need for morethan 3 acres of soy.which means those other 2 acres 
of new empty field could beused for food or- OH NO! TREES!for 
gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good, but 
moreclimate friendly) in the USA:-ethanol yield would be 412 gallons 
per acre compared to 214 gallonsof corn ethanol-THEREFORE one acre 
of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for1.9 acres of corn.you see 
where im going with this?by selective breeding of some of the more 
tropical varieties of high densitystock, we can slowly push the growing 
regions further north, increasing thesupply density, and lowering the 
acreage needed to supply the same amount.WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR 
FUEL! i might be raving like an idiot, butnoone can seem to understand 
that corn and soy are not the only crops in 
theworld.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: 
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Kirk McLoren]

yes comparing hybrid to non hybrid is not much of a comparison - they are too different and the hybrid would really shine in stop and go. If they are comparing mpg then the prime movers need to be the same technology. Again the hybrid should shine in the city. On open road you are relying on the engine mostly. But most of us dont make long highway runs. We go to the shops and school - generally a 7 mile radius.     KirkMike Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hi Kirk,I think I may have misunderstood. If I did and you are saying that comparing hybrids and non-hybrids, irrespective of the fuel they burn, I agreesorry if I missed your point.-RedlerKirk McLoren wrote:   Comparing a gasoline hybrid with a diesel is apples and oranges. How about comparing a diesel hybrid with a diesel.     KirkJJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You folks are all WRONG,This is simply an application of the same economic principals that the current administration is applying to the American Economy -I just used the same formulas they did on the American economy to the Hummer and the Hybrid and the Hummer wins hands down - see it's just like the Pres said the deficit is going down.Whats the matter? What is it you don't get?And if you haven't figured out how it works I have some tax cuts for the rich to sell you. (won't cost you a dime)I won't be around to reply back for awhile I am going to trade in
 my Honda for a Hummer with a Go Green bumper sticker. NOTLaterJim___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ 
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Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

[Kirk McLoren]

C is infinitely easier to sequester than CO2. Is a solid at room temperature and pressure.     KirkJason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  speaking of pyrolysis... what can we do with the carbon left over in the charcoal instead of burning it? this is a solid carbon that otherwise does not get into the atmosphere. can it be compacted or somehow removed from the short term carbon cycle? i know it sounds dumb, but if we can turn loose what took millions of years to put away naturally why cant we find some way to speed a reversal artificially? Mama pulled all that carbon out of the cycle and buried it with solar power, cant we do anything to help her do it again?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: Kirk McLorenTo:
 biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:07 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using pyrolytic distillation.KirkJason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:WHAT!?!?!?!?!?> Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But it would> be an extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and ethanol> would require putting three times the productive farm land in >Iowa toward> nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we currently import.> Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem. Trouble is, that much farm> land is not readily available. There's also >the little nit of figuring> out what we eat while every scrap of land is busy working for our gas> tanks.> Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals in regular> cars
 -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we can> shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates >ethanol from> sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of ethanol in their> fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been adding small flex-fuel> vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to >E100. Zap is bringing at> least one of these vehicles to US consumers next year.im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt anyonebelieve in using something OTHER than corn and soy? they are NOT the bestfeedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a better supply, not a higheryield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was a high density stock the landrequirement would be porportionally lower.for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the USA:-oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48gallons of soy oil.-THEREFORE one
 acre of castor would eliminate the need for morethan 3 acres of soy.which means those other 2 acres of new empty field could beused for food or- OH NO! TREES!for gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good, but moreclimate friendly) in the USA:-ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per acre compared to 214 gallonsof corn ethanol-THEREFORE one acre of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for1.9 acres of corn.you see where im going with this?by selective breeding of some of the more tropical varieties of high densitystock, we can slowly push the growing regions further north, increasing thesupply density, and lowering the acreage needed to supply the same amount.WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR FUEL! i might be raving like an idiot, butnoone can seem to understand that corn and soy are not the only crops in theworld.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN:
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Re: [Biofuel] Castor Beans

[Keith Addison]

David Penfold wrote:

> >
> >Castor still has the Ricin problem. can any one let me know how to destroy
> >this by product in the mash?
> >
>
>
>Apparently the oil is safe, however "The pomace, or cake remaining after the
>oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for
>fertilizer."
>
>See http://www.castoroil.in/ for all you need to know about castor oil.

There's been a lot of previous discussion on castor oil, including 
the www.castoroil.in link, and in fact the list archives will tell 
you more about castor oil than that link will. Here is the most 
recent summing up:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg64046.html
Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil
22 Jun 2006

Please do not disregard previous discussions or you effectively 
lobotomise the list. You're required to use the list resources.

Thankyou.

Keith Addison
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Re: [Biofuel] RFID Controversy

[Kirk McLoren]

Just how far this can be depends on the type of the reader, but in the extreme case some readers have a maximum power output of 4 W, enabling signals to be received from tens of kilometres away.[citation needed]  --  This is misleading. This "reader" is basically a repeater and if instead was connected to the telco the data could be received anywhere within telephone range - ie planet wide. It makes the tag look far more effective than it is. As for
 "printed" cicuits passivation (protection from environment) is still an issue and the designers biggest headache, power, is as unsolved as ever. The largest new use I am aware of is tracking carcasses. Japan has insisted on it because of mad cow fears. The chip has to withstand planting in the animal and so far reports from feedlot operators are that it is often unreliable and adds at least $10 to each animal for the tag. It is unlikely they will be recovered and returned from Japan as well. Then there is the cost of the readers and the book keeping. Feedlot operators have to pass the cost along of course.     Kirk  "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Below is an excerpt from Wikipedia on RFID. New RFIDs are much cheaper, flexible, and printed via polymers. They can be read at considerable distances.  Peace, D. Mindock    Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) ControversyHow would you like it if, for instance, one day you realized your underwear was reporting on your whereabouts? — California State Senator Debra Bowen, at a 2003 hearing [15]  The use of RFID technology has engendered considerable controversy and even product boycotts by consumer privacy advocates such as Katherine Albrecht and Liz McIntyre of CASPIAN who refer to RFID tags as "spychips". The four main privacy concerns regarding RFID are:The purchaser of an item will not necessarily be aware of the presence of the tag or be able to remove it;  The tag can be read at a distance without the knowledge of the individual;  If a tagged item is paid for by credit card or in conjunction with use of a loyalty card,
 then it would be possible to tie the unique ID of that item to the identity of the purchaser; and  The EPCglobal system of tags create, or are proposed to create, globally unique serial numbers for all products, even though this creates privacy problems and is completely unnecessary for most applications.  Most concerns revolve around the fact that RFID tags affixed to products remain functional even after the products have been purchased and taken home, and thus can be used for surveillance and other nefarious purposes unrelated to their supply chain inventory functions. Such unattended RFID tags also pose environmental risks [16]. Although RFID tags are only officially intended for short-distance use, they can be interrogated from greater distances by anyone with a high-gain antenna, potentially allowing the contents of a house to be scanned at a distance, something distinctly Orwellian in nature. Even short range scanning is a concern if all the items detected are logged in a database every time a person passes a reader, or if it is done for nefarious reasons (e.g., a mugger using a
 hand-held scanner to obtain an instant assessment of the wealth of potential victims). With permanent RFID serial numbers, an item leaks unexpected information about a person even after disposal; for example, items that are resold or given away can enable mapping of a person's social network.  Another privacy issue is due to RFID's support for a singulation (anti-collision) protocol. This is the means by which a reader enumerates all the tags responding to it without them mutually interfering. The structure
 of the most common version of this protocol is such that all but the last bit of each tag's serial number can be deduced by passively eavesdropping on just the reader's part of the protocol. Because of this, whenever RFID tags are near to readers, the distance at which a tag's signal can be eavesdropped is irrelevant; what counts is the distance at which the much more powerful reader can be received. Just how far this can be depends on the type of the reader, but in the extreme case some readers have a maximum power output of 4 W, enabling signals to be received from tens of kilometres away.[citation needed]  Technical note: the anti-collision scheme of ISO 15693 will render this rather implausible. To eavesdrop on the reader part of the protocol - and gather the 63 least significant bits of a uid - would require the reader to send a mask value of 63 bits. This can only happen when the reader detects a collision up to the 63rd bit. In other words: One can eavesdrop on the transmitted mask-value of the reader, but for
 the reader to transmit a 63 bit mask-value requires two tags with identical least significant 63 bits. The probability of this happening must be near zero. I.e. the eavesdropper needs two virtually identical tags to be read at the same tim

Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

[bob allen]

the toxin is a protein which can be denatured, that is made non-toxic 
by a number of means.  Simply heating it long enough will do.  I am 
sure there are references as to how to denature ricin.


lres1 wrote:
> Castor still has the Ricin problem. can any one let me know how to 
> destroy this by product in the mash?
>  
> I need to process for oil enough seeds to supply 200 liters/day of 
> castor oil. The Ricin in two seeds are enough to kill a person depending 
> on the type of ingestion in 2 to 7 days. There is no antibiotic or 
> antidote to Ricin and thus is classed as ingredients for WMD.
>  
> Jatropha is okay and is good for ground stabilization and many other 
> uses but it has toxins. So far on this list I have not found any place 
> site or information on where to buy Mexican non-toxic Jatropha seeds, I 
> am beginning to think that they are a myth after 6 months searching. 78 
> + varieties of Jatropha and no one can supply non-toxic variety seeds?
>  
> Old rice is realizing us close to 30 liters of wet Ethanol per 24 kilos 
> of broken and destroyed grain.
> Doug
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kirk McLoren 
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2006 9:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
> 
> 1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using pyrolytic
> distillation.
>  
> Kirk
> 
> */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >/* wrote:
> 
> 
> WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
> 
>  > Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe.
> But it would
>  > be an extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel
> and ethanol
>  > would require putting three times the productive farm land in
>  >Iowa toward
>  > nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we
> currently import.
>  > Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem. Trouble is,
> that much farm
>  > land is not readily available. There's also >the little nit
> of figuring
>  > out what we eat while every scrap of land is busy working for
> our gas
>  > tanks.
>  > Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for
> goals in regular
>  > cars -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles --
> we can
>  > shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates
>  >ethanol from
>  > sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of
> ethanol in their
>  > fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been adding
> small flex-fuel
>  > vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to >E100. Zap is
> bringing at
>  > least one of these vehicles to US consumers next year.
> 
> im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt
> anyone
> believe in using something OTHER than corn and soy? they are NOT
> the best
> feedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a better supply,
> not a higher
> yield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was a high density
> stock the land
> requirement would be porportionally lower.
> 
> for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the USA:
> -oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48
> gallons of soy oil.
> -THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate the need for more
> than 3 acres of soy.
> which means those other 2 acres of new empty field could be
> used for food or- OH NO! TREES!
> 
> for gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very
> good, but more
> climate friendly) in the USA:
> -ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per acre compared to 214
> gallons
> of corn ethanol
> -THEREFORE one acre of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for
> 1.9 acres of corn.
> you see where im going with this?
> 
> by selective breeding of some of the more tropical varieties of
> high density
> stock, we can slowly push the growing regions further north,
> increasing the
> supply density, and lowering the acreage needed to supply the
> same amount.
> WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR FUEL! i might be raving like an
> idiot, but
> noone can seem to understand that corn and soy are not the only
> crops in the
> world.
> 
> Jason
> ICQ#: 154998177
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Mike Redler]

Hi Kirk,

I think I may have misunderstood. If I did and you are saying that
comparing hybrids and non-hybrids, irrespective of the fuel they burn,
I agree.

...sorry if I missed your point.

-Redler



Kirk McLoren wrote:

  
  Comparing a gasoline hybrid with a diesel is apples and oranges.
How about comparing a diesel hybrid with a diesel.
   
  Kirk
  
  JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  You folks are all WRONG,

This is simply an application of the same economic principals that the 
current administration is applying to the American Economy -
I just used the same formulas they did on the American economy to the 
Hummer and the Hybrid and the Hummer wins hands down - see it's just 
like the Pres said the deficit is going down.

Whats the matter? What is it you don't get?

And if you haven't figured out how it works I have some tax cuts for
the 
rich to sell you. (won't cost you a dime)

I won't be around to reply back for awhile I am going to trade in my 
Honda for a Hummer with a Go Green bumper sticker. NOT

Later
Jim
  




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Re: [Biofuel] EV is not dead

[Thomas Kelly]

Joe,
 Check out the sites Darryl included at the bottom of his post. There is 
some very cool stuff including a link to "Build an EV". It has instructions, 
including costs, components, etc. for converting to an EV. Hondas are 
mentioned as being a popular choice
   www.evadc.org/build_choosing.html
(build_choosing)
 There are plenty of Honda Civics at the photo album
 www.austinev.org/evalbum/type/HOND/16

   Tom
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] EV is not dead


> Hey Darryl;
>
> I still have my '92 civic hatch sitting in my driveway.  Do you know of
> any instructions or anyone who has converted one to electric?
>
> Joe
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Tony Marzolino wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Guys - These are great, but once again..NO prices and NO
>>>availability?   Are there any REAL options available for US
>>>consumers?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Tony Marzolino
>>
>>
>> Make your own.
>>
>> Just back from a quick jaunt in the e-914 conversion.  Starting to track
>> some energy consumption stats.  Looks to be less than 0.2 kWh per km, or
>> better than 5 km/kWh.  Took my wife out for Dim Sum, first time I have
>> had her out with the targa top off.  Based on comments and facial
>> expressions, I think the bug-eyed little electric is winning her over.
>>
>> If you want sustainable transportation, it's still up to you.  Biofuels
>> are one route, human power another.  If you want to go electric, consider
>> where your electricity is coming from.  You can buy green power from most
>> U.S. utilities now.  If not, you can buy Green Tags (which is what I do).
>>
>> I believe you can buy a Tango today - George Clooney did.
>>
>> Second hand EVs come up for sale on occasion.  Here are some links to EV 
>> 4
>> sale sites:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evdl.htm#Sale
>>
>> If you want to start with something smaller, consider an electric bike:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evbikes.htm
>>
>> (By way of comparison, my e-bike appears to get about somewhere around 
>> 100
>> km/kWh).
>>
>> or electric moped:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evmopeds.htm
>>
>> or electric scooter:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evscoots.htm
>>
>> or even an electric skateboard:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evboards.htm
>>
>> Other options for starting small are boats:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evboats.htm
>>
>> or electric mowers or electric tractors:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evtools.htm
>>
>> or electric go-karts or yard-karts:
>> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evkarts.htm
>>
>> The resurgence of interest in "production" EVs today is predictable, it
>> rises and falls with gasoline prices.  We've been here before, with more
>> success in the 1970s (ComutaCars) and the 1990s (CARB ZEV mandate).  You
>> won't see them in North America until GM and Ford are both gone, and the
>> oil lobby no longer owns the White House.  Technology is not, and has not
>> been, the issue for a long time.
>>
>> If you want to support on-road EVs directly, including plug-in hybrid 
>> EVs,
>> today, join the Electric Auto Association.
>> http://www.eaaev.org/
>>
>> Darryl McMahon
>>
>>>doug swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And then there's Tesla
>>>Motors, with a convertible!
>>>
>>>http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
>>>
>>>doug swanson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe Street wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
Yy!

http://news.en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/article.aspx?cp-documentid=673300


Joe

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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Joe Street]

Yes and constant starting is not what your starter was designed for so 
you'll be replacing it a hell of a lot sooner. What is the energy budget 
of that scenario?  Gasoline engines run richer when starting also.

Joe

robert and benita rabello wrote:

> Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES wrote:
> 
> 
>>I beg to differ. There is nothing to stop you switching the engine off when 
>>standing still. We have signs requesting you to do so at some level crossings 
>>as well.
>> 
>>
> 
> 
> You're right, and I concede that point.  However, I've never seen 
> anyone do this at a stop light.  The vast majority of people remain 
> content to let their engines idle.  In addition, the diesel and 
> non-hybrid gas engines must burn fuel (and hence, pollute the air) when 
> moving.  At city speeds, my hybrid can run on its batteries alone.
> 
> 
> robert luis rabello
> "The Edge of Justice"
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[robert and benita rabello]

Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES wrote:

>I beg to differ. There is nothing to stop you switching the engine off when 
>standing still. We have signs requesting you to do so at some level crossings 
>as well.
>  
>

You're right, and I concede that point.  However, I've never seen 
anyone do this at a stop light.  The vast majority of people remain 
content to let their engines idle.  In addition, the diesel and 
non-hybrid gas engines must burn fuel (and hence, pollute the air) when 
moving.  At city speeds, my hybrid can run on its batteries alone.


robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Coal

[bob allen]

a big part of the "clean coal" scheme is archival subterranean 
sequestration of CO2. I suspect Illinois looks better for the storage 
of CO2- but I really doubt that such storage can  be achieved, let 
alone proven to work for many centuries.


Kirk McLoren wrote:
> Mudd said the Illinois sites in Mattoon and Tuscola both gained high 
> scores on geological and power plant siting criteria. He singled out the 
> Tuscola site as having ready access to three major railroads.
> --
> Thats so they can ship the coal. But Wyoming which is a major supplier 
> of coal and wouldnt need to ship it didnt rate as high. LOL As for power 
> lines to the east they already exist as well.
> They think we have STUPID stenciled on our foreheads.
>  
> Kirk
> 
> */JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> 
> New Power Plant
> 
> http://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/articles/2006/07/25/news/news01.txt
> 
> 
> "The high-tech plant is intended to be a research tool for coal plants
> that produce electricity and hydrogen while sequestering carbon dioxide
> in underground geologic formations."
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Re: [Biofuel] EV is not dead

[Joe Street]

Hey Darryl;

I still have my '92 civic hatch sitting in my driveway.  Do you know of 
any instructions or anyone who has converted one to electric?

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Tony Marzolino wrote:
> 
>>Hey Guys - These are great, but once again..NO prices and NO
>>availability?   Are there any REAL options available for US
>>consumers?
>>
>>Thanks, Tony Marzolino
> 
> 
> Make your own.
> 
> Just back from a quick jaunt in the e-914 conversion.  Starting to track
> some energy consumption stats.  Looks to be less than 0.2 kWh per km, or
> better than 5 km/kWh.  Took my wife out for Dim Sum, first time I have
> had her out with the targa top off.  Based on comments and facial
> expressions, I think the bug-eyed little electric is winning her over.
> 
> If you want sustainable transportation, it's still up to you.  Biofuels
> are one route, human power another.  If you want to go electric, consider
> where your electricity is coming from.  You can buy green power from most
> U.S. utilities now.  If not, you can buy Green Tags (which is what I do).
> 
> I believe you can buy a Tango today - George Clooney did.
> 
> Second hand EVs come up for sale on occasion.  Here are some links to EV 4
> sale sites:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evdl.htm#Sale
> 
> If you want to start with something smaller, consider an electric bike:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evbikes.htm
> 
> (By way of comparison, my e-bike appears to get about somewhere around 100
> km/kWh).
> 
> or electric moped:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evmopeds.htm
> 
> or electric scooter:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evscoots.htm
> 
> or even an electric skateboard:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evboards.htm
> 
> Other options for starting small are boats:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evboats.htm
> 
> or electric mowers or electric tractors:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evtools.htm
> 
> or electric go-karts or yard-karts:
> http://www.econogics.com/ev/evkarts.htm
> 
> The resurgence of interest in "production" EVs today is predictable, it
> rises and falls with gasoline prices.  We've been here before, with more
> success in the 1970s (ComutaCars) and the 1990s (CARB ZEV mandate).  You
> won't see them in North America until GM and Ford are both gone, and the
> oil lobby no longer owns the White House.  Technology is not, and has not
> been, the issue for a long time.
> 
> If you want to support on-road EVs directly, including plug-in hybrid EVs,
> today, join the Electric Auto Association.
> http://www.eaaev.org/
> 
> Darryl McMahon
> 
>>doug swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And then there's Tesla
>>Motors, with a convertible!
>>
>>http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
>>
>>doug swanson
>>
>>
>>
>>Joe Street wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yy!
>>>
>>>http://news.en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/article.aspx?cp-documentid=673300
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES]

 A diesel WILL outperform a gasoline hybrid in overall fuel economy.  But when 
we drive around town, there are times when we're using NO fuel at all, which 
means we're not putting anything into the air either.  We burn NO fuel while 
sitting at a light.   A diesel can't do that.  

I beg to differ. There is nothing to stop you switching the engine off when 
standing still. We have signs requesting you to do so at some level crossings 
as well.

Simon Fowler
MADUR ELECTRONICS
Voitgasse 4
A-1220 Vienna
Phone: + 43-1-2584502
Fax: + 43-1-2584502-22
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Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Michael Redler]

Kirk,     I respectfully disagree.     By definition, hybrids are about throwing the apples and oranges in the same basket.     (IMO), what makes one hybrid scheme better than another is the region it's being used and what type of fuel (or fuels) are most abundant and best suited for promoting sustainability.     - Redler  Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Comparing a gasoline hybrid with a diesel is apples and oranges. How about comparing a diesel hybrid with a diesel.     KirkJJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You
 folks are all WRONG,This is simply an application of the same economic principals that the current administration is applying to the American Economy -I just used the same formulas they did on the American economy to the Hummer and the Hybrid and the Hummer wins hands down - see it's just like the Pres said the deficit is going down.Whats the matter? What is it you don't get?And if you haven't figured out how it works I have some tax cuts for the rich to sell you. (won't cost you a dime)I won't be around to reply back for awhile I am going to trade in my Honda for a Hummer with a Go Green bumper sticker. NOTLaterJim[snip]___
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Re: [Biofuel] Castor Beans

[David Penfold]

>
>Castor still has the Ricin problem. can any one let me know how to destroy 
>this by product in the mash?
>


Apparently the oil is safe, however "The pomace, or cake remaining after the
oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for 
fertilizer."

See http://www.castoroil.in/ for all you need to know about castor oil.



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[Biofuel] Lebanon, Gaza & Iraq - might makes right

[MH]

Washington's Wars and Occupations: 
  Month in Review #15
  July 30, 2006 
  By Max Elbaum, War Times/Tiempo de Guerras

  LEBANON & GAZA: "NOTHING IS SAFE"  

  Israel's continuing military offensives in Lebanon and Gaza are producing a 
human catastrophe,
  and have immense political consequences. 

  First, the human cost, as of July 30:

  *at least 561 dead in Lebanon, the vast majority civilians - with 60 killed 
(including
  37 children) by Israeli air attacks on the village of Qana this morning. Over 
1,000
  wounded and 700,000-800,000 Lebanese made homeless. Lebanon's infrastructure
  - including power plants, bridges, roads, the Beirut airport, radio 
transmitters,
  pharmaceutical plants, and even a dairy farm - has been methodically 
destroyed. 

  *at least 150 dead and many more Palestinians wounded (mostly civilians) in 
Gaza.
  The power plant supplying the bulk of electricity to Gaza's 1.1 million 
inhabitants
  was one of the first targets destroyed by Israeli bombs and missiles.

  *at least 52 Israelis dead, 19 civilians and 33 soldiers; dozens wounded. 

  LONG-PLANNED IN TEL AVIV & WASHINGTON

  Israel's initial claims that it went into battle to rescue a soldier captured
  by Palestinians and then two captured by Hezbollah have proven false. 
Instead, as
  revealed in the San Francisco Chronicle (July 21), the invasion of Lebanon 
was long
  planned by Israel in consultation with Washington. Middle East expert Juan 
Cole summarizes:

  "More than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint
  presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to U.S. and other diplomats, 
journalists
  and think tanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing 
detail.
  The Israelis tend to launch their wars of choice in the summer, in part 
because 
  they know that European and American universities will be the primary nodes 
of popular
  opposition, and the universities are out in the summer. This war has nothing 
to 
  do with captured Israeli soldiers. It is a long-planned war to increase 
Israel's
  ascendancy over Hizbullah and its patrons." 

  Israeli peace activist Uri Avnery agrees, and adds: "The very same thing 
happened
  two weeks earlier in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and its partners captured a 
soldier, 
  which provided the excuse for a massive operation that had been prepared for 
a long
  time and whose aim is to destroy the Palestinian government."

  WAR CRIMES, COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT

  Targeting civilian populations and infrastructure is an integral part of 
Israel's
  war policy. Israeli Army Chief of Staff Dan Halutz announced this publicly, 
even
  if the U.S. media (alone in the world) remains in denial about the meaning of 
his
  words. "Nothing is safe," Halutz declared July 13, "as simple as 
  that." A few days later, he added for emphasis that Israel plans to "turn
  Lebanon's clock back 20 years."

  Israeli practice has matched Halutz' declaration. In Juan Cole's summary
  (July 26):  

  "They hit Tripoli's port, a Sunni area. They hit the port at Jounieh, the
  trendy Christian city near Beirut. They hit Beirut's port and its new shiny 
  airport. They hit the milk factory, the telecom towers, the roads, the 
bridges, 
  and some clinics and hospitals for good measure. They hit the fuel depots. It 
would
  be a total war on the Lebanese civilian population, setting 800,000 out of 
3.8 million
  out from their homes or the rubble of their former homes, forcing them to 
other 
  cities as homeless refugees, or abroad to Syria or Cyprus... Israel's policy
  toward Lebanon, of striking at so many civilian targets as to hold the entire 
civilian
  population hostage, is unspeakable."

  On July 30 Cole added: "Israeli war planes scored a direct hit on a building
  in Qana overnight where destitute farming folk, including old people, women 
and 
  children, had taken refuge in the basement from Israeli bombing raids The 
Israelis
  appear to be engaged in a concerted campaign of ethnic cleansing in the 
Shi'ite
  towns and villages of southern Lebanon, and are indiscriminately bombing all 
buildings
  in the area south of the Litani River the Israelis are engaged in 
collective
  punishment on a vast scale."

  Israeli generals themselves admit (New York Times July 27) using Cluster 
Bombs in
  their operations - munitions which disperse bomblets over a wide area, kill 
and 
  maim indiscriminately, and are universally condemned by human rights 
organizations.

  Regarding Israel's assault on Gaza, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human 
Rights
  declared that "the use of force by Israel during its military operations has
  resulted in an increasing number of deaths and other casualties amongst the 
Palestinian
  civilian population, and significant damage to civilian property and 
infrastructure."
  Another U.N. agency "believes that Gaza is on the brink of a public health 
  disaster." Israeli Jewish peace activist Gideon Levy wrote in

Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

[bob allen]

here is an article that says you can get 900 gallons of ethanol per 
acre from sorghum, with lower energy inputs than corn. I can't speak 
for the veracity of the the claim, I just googled "sorghum ethanol"

  http://www.itsgood4.us/ethanol.htm




Jason& Katie wrote:
> WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
> 
>> Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels?  Well... maybe.  But it would 
>> be an extraordinary effort.  A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and ethanol 
>> would require putting three times the productive farm land in >Iowa toward 
>> nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we currently import. 
>> Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem.  Trouble is, that much farm 
>> land is not readily available.  There's also >the little nit of figuring 
>> out what we eat while every scrap of land is busy working for our gas 
>> tanks.
>> Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals in regular 
>> cars -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we can 
>> shrink the requisite greenspace.  Brazil, which generates >ethanol from 
>> sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of ethanol in their 
>> fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been adding small flex-fuel 
>> vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to >E100.  Zap is bringing at 
>> least one of these vehicles to US consumers next year.
> 
> im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt anyone 
> believe in using something OTHER than corn and soy? they are NOT the best 
> feedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a better supply, not a higher 
> yield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was a high density stock the land 
> requirement would be porportionally lower.
> 
> for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the USA:
> -oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48 
> gallons of soy oil.
> -THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate the need for more 
> than 3 acres of soy.
> which means those other 2 acres of new empty field could be 
> used for food or- OH NO! TREES!
> 
> for gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good, but more 
> climate friendly) in the USA:
> -ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per acre compared to 214 gallons 
> of corn ethanol
> -THEREFORE one acre of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for 
> 1.9 acres of corn.
> you see where im going with this?
> 
> by selective breeding of some of the more tropical varieties of high density 
> stock, we can slowly push the growing regions further north, increasing the 
> supply density, and lowering the acreage needed to supply the same amount. 
> WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR FUEL! i might be raving like an idiot, but 
> noone can seem to understand that corn and soy are not the only crops in the 
> world.
> 
> Jason
> ICQ#:  154998177
> MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Biofuel] Has Orwell's 1984 come 22 years later?

[Andy Karpay]

The short answers to your two questions
are:

Yes – 1984 is here “22 years
later”

  And

A lot – (it will get a lot worse)

 

-Original Message-
From: Kirk McLoren
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:00
PM
To: biofuel
Subject: [Biofuel] Has Orwell's
1984 come 22 years later?

 

++
| Has Orwell's '1984' Come 22 Years
Later?  
|
|   from the his-words-are-still-precient
dept. 
|
|   posted by Cliff on Friday July 28, @23:55
(Privacy) 
|
|   http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/29/0223253
 |
++

[0]gabec asks: "This weekend my mother bought a grille lighter, 
something
like this [1]butane lighter. The self-scanner at Kroger's locked itself
up and paged a clerk, who had to enter our drivers license numbers into
her kiosk before we could continue. Last week my girlfriend bought four
peaches. An alert came up stating that peaches were a restricted item 
and
she had to identify herself before being able to purchase such a
decidedly high quantity of the dangerous fruit. [2]My video games spy 
on
me, reporting the applications I run, the websites I visit, the 
accounts
of the people I IM. My ISP [3]is being strong-armed into a two-year
archive of each action I take online under the guise of catching
pedophiles, [4]the companies I trust to free information are my 
enemies,
[5]the people looking out for me are being watched. As if that weren't
enough, [6]my own computer spies on me daily, [7]my bank has been
compromised, [8]my phone is tapped--has been for [9]years--and [10]my
phone company is A-OK with it. What's a guy that doesn't even consider
himself paranoid to think of the current state of affairs?" The sad 
state
of affairs is that Big Brother probably became a quiet part of our 
lives
a lot earlier. The big question now is: how much worse can it get?

This story continues at:
    http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/29/0223253

Discuss this story at:
    http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=06/07/29/0223253

Links:
    0. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    1. http://www.broilkingbbq.com/grillpro/products.asp?CID=16
    2. 
http://www.rootkit.com/blog.php?newsid=358
    3. 
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/02/1238237&tid=158
    4. 
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17180
    5. 
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/15/1922209&tid=158
    6. 
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060608002958907
    7. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062300167.html
    
8. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5399264
    9. 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abIV0cO64zJE&refer=#
   
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[Biofuel] Smoke gets in their eyes

[D. Mindock]

 There is no such thing as 
Clean Coal or Green Nuclear Energy. But government seems to want 
to
brainwash the masses with repetition of those 
phrases: clean coal, clean coal, green nuclear, green nuclear, ad infinitum. Are 
you ready to throwup yet?  Peace, D. 
Mindock
Smoke gets in their 
eyes
July 30, 
2005
The Australian Government has finally woken 
up to the looming dangers of greenhouse gases. But its strategy to fight back 
seems misplaced, writes Wendy Frew.
Against a backdrop of a mountain of coal waiting to 
be loaded in Newcastle Harbour, the bright orange overalls and white hard hats 
worn by a dozen Greenpeace activists made for a good photo 
opportunity.
Early on Wednesday, their Rainbow Warrior dropped 
anchor in the narrow channel leading to the terminals in the harbour, in a bid 
to close down the world's largest coal-exporting port. Some of the activists 
unfurled a banner demanding Australia "Quit Coal", while others chained 
themselves to a coal loader.
The stunt was part of a Greenpeace campaign against 
Australia's heavy reliance on coal for domestic energy and export 
dollars.
The greenhouse gases produced when coal is burnt are 
among the biggest contributors to the world's rising temperatures and changing 
rainfall patterns, known as climate change or global warming.
Greenpeace's brief blockade got plenty of media 
attention but failed to stop two large coal ships, bound for Japan and South 
Korea, leaving the port on time. What it did do was highlight how tightly 
Australia's economic and environmental future is bound to coal.
The anti-coal demonstration came on the same day it 
was revealed Australia had joined a US-led initiative to develop so-called 
"clean coal" technologies.
Australian and the US have both refused to ratify the 
Kyoto Protocol, an international agreement to cut greenhouse gas 
emissions.
Opposition parties and green groups say the new deal, 
which also involves China, India and South Korea, is just a cover for the 
Government's reluctance to cut greenhouse gas pollution while ignoring existing 
renewable energy markets.
In Australia's case, says the Greens senator Bob 
Brown, that reluctance stems from the Government's support for the coal 
industry, worth about $13.7 billion in annual exports. It is also a big employer 
and provides cheap power for other industries, such as steel. "The secret pact's 
five member countries include four of the world's biggest coal producers - 
China, US, India and Australia," Brown says. "This is all about taxpayers' money 
being diverted from developing clean, renewable technologies to try to make 
burning coal less dirty."
A report released by the Federal Government on 
Tuesday says it may already be too late to save some of the country's 
environmental landmarks, such as the Great Barrier Reef, from the build-up of 
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
It also says Australians face a greater risk of 
cyclones, flooding, bushfires and water shortages. Many farmers, already doing 
it tough thanks to widespread and prolonged drought, won't survive what are 
predicted to be permanently higher temperatures of between one and six degrees 
by 2070.
Governments and industry have fought for so long over 
the validity of climate-change science and its weather predictions that it is 
too late to undo some of the damage, the report says. "Much of the climate 
change likely to be observed over the next few decades will be driven by the 
action of greenhouse gases already accumulated in the atmosphere."
Carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels is 
the biggest factor in climate change, but methane from agriculture and landfill, 
nitrous oxide from vehicles, and hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulfur 
hexafluoride from other industrial processes are also a problem.
The Kyoto Protocol was designed to reduce these 
gases by at least 5 per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. Even if all the planned 
reductions were achieved, the amount that CO 2 emissions would be reduced 
would be tiny compared with the 60 to 80 per cent reductions scientists say are 
needed to prevent further damage.
But Kyoto was only ever expected to be a first 
step.
The statistics on Australia's contribution to climate 
change are chilling. We are the world's biggest greenhouse gas polluters per 
capita, mainly because of our reliance on coal for electricity, combined with 
large-scale land clearing.
It doesn't help that Australia's renewable energy 
industry has been given only minimal government support. And, in states such as 
NSW, people are taking to their cars like never before because of poor public 
transport, while government supports a greenhouse gas-polluting desalination 
plant as a way of dealing with the water shortage.
The Federal Government fought hard during the Kyoto 
negotiations, first to block any international agreement, then to receive 
special treatment. Although the administration has refused to ratify Kyoto, the 
Prime Minister,

[Biofuel] RFID Controversy

[D. Mindock]

 Below is an excerpt from Wikipedia on RFID. New RFIDs are much 
cheaper, flexible, and printed via polymers. They can be read at 
considerable distances.  Peace, D. Mindock
 Radio Frequency 
Identification (RFID) Controversy

  How would you like it if, for instance, 
  one day you realized your underwear was reporting on your whereabouts? 
  
  
— California State Senator Debra Bowen, at a 
2003 hearing [15]
The use of RFID technology has engendered 
considerable controversy and even product boycotts by consumer privacy advocates 
such as Katherine Albrecht and Liz McIntyre of CASPIAN who refer to RFID tags as 
"spychips". The four main 
privacy concerns regarding 
RFID are:

  The purchaser of an item will not necessarily be 
  aware of the presence of the tag or be able to remove it;
  The tag can be read at a distance without the 
  knowledge of the individual;
  If a tagged item is paid for by credit card or in 
  conjunction with use of a loyalty card, then it would be 
  possible to tie the unique ID of that item to the identity of the purchaser; 
  and
  The EPCglobal system of tags create, or are 
  proposed to create, globally unique serial numbers for all products, even 
  though this creates privacy problems and is completely unnecessary for most 
  applications.
Most concerns revolve around the fact that RFID tags 
affixed to products remain functional even after the products have been 
purchased and taken home, and thus can be used for surveillance and other nefarious 
purposes unrelated to their supply chain inventory functions. Such unattended 
RFID tags also pose environmental risks [16]. Although RFID tags 
are only officially intended for short-distance use, they can be interrogated 
from greater distances by anyone with a high-gain antenna, potentially allowing the 
contents of a house to be scanned at a distance, something distinctly Orwellian 
in nature. Even short range scanning is a concern if all the items detected are 
logged in a database every time a person passes a 
reader, or if it is done for nefarious reasons (e.g., a mugger using a hand-held scanner to 
obtain an instant assessment of the wealth of potential victims). With permanent 
RFID serial numbers, an item leaks unexpected information about a person even 
after disposal; for example, items that are resold or given away can enable 
mapping of a person's social network.
Another privacy issue is due to RFID's support for a 
singulation (anti-collision) protocol. This is the means by which a 
reader enumerates all the tags responding to it without them mutually 
interfering. The structure of the most common version of this protocol is such 
that all but the last bit of each tag's serial number can be 
deduced by passively eavesdropping on just the 
reader's part of the protocol. Because of this, whenever RFID tags are 
near to readers, the distance at which a tag's signal can be eavesdropped is 
irrelevant; what counts is the distance at which the much more powerful reader 
can be received. Just how far this can be depends on the type of the reader, but 
in the extreme case some readers have a maximum power output of 4 W, enabling signals to be 
received from tens of kilometres away.[citation needed]
Technical note: the anti-collision scheme of 
ISO 15693 will render this 
rather implausible. To eavesdrop on the reader part of the protocol - and gather 
the 63 least significant bits of a uid - would require the reader to send a mask 
value of 63 bits. This can only happen when the reader detects a collision up to 
the 63rd bit. In other words: One can eavesdrop on the transmitted mask-value of 
the reader, but for the reader to transmit a 63 bit mask-value requires two tags 
with identical least significant 63 bits. The probability of this happening must 
be near zero. I.e. the eavesdropper needs two virtually identical tags to be 
read at the same time by the reader in question.
The potential for privacy violations with RFID was 
demonstrated by its use in a pilot program by the Gillette Company, which conducted 
a "smart shelf" test at a Tesco in Cambridge, England. They automatically 
photographed shoppers 
taking RFID-tagged safety 
razors off the shelf, to see if the 
technology could be used to deter shoplifting. [17] This trial resulted in 
consumer boycott against Gillette. There was also a protest of Tesco. A 
boycott against Tesco for its 
involvement with item-level RFID tagging has been in effect since early 
2005.
In another incident, uncovered by the Chicago Sun-Times, shelves in a 
Wal-Mart in Broken 
Arrow, Oklahoma, were equipped with readers 
to track the Max 
Factor Lipfinity lipstick containers stacked on them. 
Webcam images of the 
shelves were viewed 750 miles (1200 km) away by Procter & Gamble researchers 
in Cincinnati, Ohio, who could tell when lipsticks 
were removed from the shelves and observe the shoppers in action.
In January 2004 privacy advocates from CASPIAN and the German pri

Re: [Biofuel] Have You Hugged Your Hummer Today?

[Tony Marzolino]

Hello Will,  Great idea.  In fact, I believe WV actually makes one, but it is not available in the US and gas mileage around 90.  Can anyone verify this?       Thanks,  Tony Marzolino Will Kelleher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Why not combine the best of both and create a diesel hybrid?  Better city AND highway mileage!  On 7/30/06, robert and benita rabello < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Andrew Lowe wrote: I can remember seeing an episode of the English show Top Gear,www.bbc.co.uk/topgear where the consumption of hybrids was mentioned. One of the  presenters said that he drove a hybrid from point A to point B and got about40-45 miles/gallon. He subsequently drove a similar sized diesel over the sameroute and got a consumption of about 50-55 miles/gallon.   n.b. Figures are frommemory and could be a bit rubbery but the jist of the comment was that currenttechnology diesels can, and do, get better consumption than hybrids.    A diesel WILL outperform a gasoline hybrid in overall fuel economy.  But when we drive around town, there are times when we're using NO fuel at
 all, which means we're not putting anything into the air either.  We burn NO fuel while sitting at a light.   A diesel can't do that.       A lot of this discussion is just picking nits, but I'd really like to see MORE hybrids and MORE diesels on the road.  It shouldn't be an "either / or" thing.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca  Ranger Supercharger Project Page  http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing
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