Re: [Biofuel] Window on Iran
Well, most of Germany and a large part of France was similarly hypnotised. Theologian Reinhold Neiber noted (paraphrased) that crowds also bring with them a lurking evil: if you’re not careful, you run the risk of mob mentality that will enable you and me to do things that we would never even dream of doing on our own.. In “1984”, George Orwell warned us against groupthink. I am not sure the the situation is so dire, but the elements are present, and have been called out by many in the the media, academia and philosophy arena: THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION THE GOOD FIGHT: LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, AND THE WAR ON TERROR “It is by no means flawless, but it helps along a necessary discussion about what liberals are obliged to say and do about American foreign policy, for we are so obligated, and I doubt there are more than a few handfuls in the United States of America who disagree, although there are some so deranged by George W. Bush as to refuse to agree for fear that if they agree with him that the U.S lies north of Mexico, say, they’re selling out. Here are just a few observations,” More: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8IbFd_lqD8oJ:www.brookings.edu/comm/events/20060607.pdf+life+of+Reinhold+Neiberhl=engl=usct=clnkcd=3lr=lang_en iberals are obliged to say and do about American foreign policy, for we are so obligated, and I doubt there are more than a few handfuls in the United States of America who disagree, although there are some so deranged by George W. Bush as to refuse to agree for fear that if they agree with him that the U.S lies north of Mexico, say, they’re selling out Kirk McLoren wrote: most of the population is hypnotized - I am not sure how you would deprogram them The author closed with : And so, we have George Bush and the Fourth Reich calculating how much they can get away with by looking at the history of the reactions of the American people to cheating. There aren’t any because the system is adaptive to psychopathy. In other words, Americans support Bush and his agenda because most of them are effectively like him. But that is not because they are all born that way. It is because psychopathy is required to survive in the competitive, capitalist U.S. Society. As a society gets larger and more competitive, individuals become more anonymous and more Machiavellian. Social stratification and segregation leads to feelings of inferiority, pessimism and depression among the have-nots, promoting the use of “cheating strategies” in life that then make the environment more adaptive for psychopathy in general because those who are suffering will respond positively to any sign of change, even if they don’t realize that the change is being proposed by those who will actually make their lives worse. Psychopathic behavior among non-genetic psychopaths could be viewed as a functional method of obtaining desirable resources, increasing an individual’s status in a local group, and even a means of providing stimulation that socially and financially successful people find in acceptable physical and intellectual challenges. In America, a great many households are affected by the fact that work, divorce, or both, have removed one or both parents from interaction with their children for much of the day. This is a consequence of Capitalistic economics. When the parents are absent, or even when one is present but not in possession of sufficient knowledge or information, children are left to the mercies of their peers, a culture shaped by the media. Armed with joysticks and TV remotes, children are guided from South Park and Jerry Springer to Mortal Kombat on Nintendo. Normal kids become desensitized to violence. More-susceptible kids - children with a genetic inheritance of psychopathy - are pushed toward a dangerous mental precipice. Meanwhile, the government is regularly passing laws, on the demand of parents and the psychological community, designed to avoid imposing consequences on junior’s violent behavior. As for media violence, few researchers continue to try to dispute that bloodshed on TV and in the movies has an effect on the kids who witness it. Added to the mix now are video games structured around models of hunting and killing. Engaged by graphics, children learn to associate spurts of “blood” with the primal gratification of scoring a “win”. Again, economics - capitalism disguised as “democracy” - controls the reality. The fact is, it is almost a mechanical system that operates based on the psychological nature of human beings, most of whom like to live in denial or need to live in denial to please their parents, their peers, their religious leaders, and their political leaders. All they want to do is have some relaxation to enjoy the “American Dream.” After all, “if ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise”. This is most especially true when we consider the survival instinct of
Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
But it would add a huge degree of efficiency, If the funds were there I'd enhance the battery back and include capacitors. My noodling was with an old Isuzu Trooper - lots of room up top for panels, and a lot of sre room to tinker. Here's one person's expiriment: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/solar-powered_t.php Kirk McLoren wrote: The photovoltaics are non essential. In fact it is arguable that non concentrating cells are not a viable renewable enrgy source. The diesel on the other hand is the obvious answer and it is odd the hybrids are gasoline. The battery bank would be better replaced with supercap technology such as Skeltons (in prototype phase) but in the meantime we will have to muddle through. Kirk */Ron Peacetree [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Back on the actual subject listed as the topic of this thread... A little digging has convinced me that a diesel-electric hybrid w/ photovoltaic cells on the the hood/roof/trunk could easily be the basis for vehicles that could completely replace the traditional gasoline/diesel based ground/water vehicles currently in use at acceptable levels of performance, economy, etc. (Air travel vehicles operate under more stringent constraints that I'm not sure this diesel/electric w/ PV assist power supply idea could satisfy.) A rotary diesel motor could supply as much as 2HP / liter; perhaps more if optimized for constant rpm. The battery problem should be solved by using fuel cells since they provide far more energy per unit weight. Until fuel cells are available, there are many new ideas for increasing even the efficiency of the standard: the lead-acid battery (spin off company from Case or John Deer that gets ~2x the power/weight out of lead acid batteries IIRC?) that could fill in. For applications not as economically constrained, the exotics like Li-ion are of course an option. However, fuel cells seem to best any battery technology I've heard of. PV cells of as high as 42% efficiency are now reality; and I'm told by people in the that business that mass production would _significantly_ reduce their costs. This is a recipe for, say, a car, that fits all the constraints a normal consumer would have... ...and gets 100-200mpg while doing it. With these kind of fuel efficiencies and a little common sense as to what crops to use as the basis for biodiesel (ultimately I would think that a crop bred/engineered to be specialized for bio-diesel production would be the best solution...), the amount of farmland required for growing the crops needed to produce the biodiesel needs of a country would be _far_ less than any of the current estimates. Doing this would not only be green and conserve our petro-diesel resources for uses that so far they are the only unique source for, such as certain plastics and medical products, It might also help Us avert the continuing escalation of violence in the Middle East that seems to be at the moment the most likely cause of WWIII. Where do I sign? And how do We get our leaders to pursue what seems to be an eminently logical course of action for anyone who loves their children and their planet? Ron Peacetree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/%20 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] GeoExchange, on the cheap
Mike, When I installed an air conditioner a few weeks ago, I noticed that it didn't drip, and from outside I could hear a bubbling-popping sound. My father-in-law told me that a lot of the new air conditioners use the water they condense to cool themeselves. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] GeoExchange, on the cheap ...I just put a plug on the exit hole of the tray of my window style ac unit and the fan starts to splash and spray water on the condenser. Brilliant! I like it. -Redler Juan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. I did have the same idea by observing big air conditioner units that uses a spray of water on a cooling tower for evaporation of the hot water and recycle the fresh water for cooling the hot side heat exchanger or condenser. In my home air conditioner, I just put a plug on the exit hole of the tray of my window style ac unit and the fan starts to splash and spray water on the condenser. Humidity here during summer time seldom drops from 50% and it usually is around 70% if it is not raining. I send the condensed water from the evaporator to be used in hot condenser, the spray was produced by the ac fan usually this happened after ? hour of working time of the ac unit. If you need more water from start and if your house has running water with enough pressure it is just as simple as put a perforated hose on top of the condenser and adjust the water flow as to almost all the water is evaporated. Just let the water coming out the ac unit to be not more than a few drops per minute. It is better not to waste a lot of running water. It is much efficient to use Water Evaporation. If my memory does not fool me (here I do not have the water humidity psychometric chart) the evaporation of water needs about 520 Kilocalories/Kg of heat to evaporated 1 Kg of water, this means as cooling effect. Consider that the heat capacity of only 1 Kilocalorie for each Kg of water in the change of 1 degree Celsius. Best Regards. Juan Paraguay ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
Mike Weaver wrote: But it would add a huge degree of efficiency, If the funds were there I'd enhance the battery back and include capacitors. My noodling was with an old Isuzu Trooper - lots of room up top for panels, and a lot of sre room to tinker. Here's one person's expiriment: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/solar-powered_t.php Yes, that's the vehicle I have seen around here. (Note to Zeke, Steve also has (or had) an Electrek.) I have a lot of respect for Steve, I have met him a couple of times. I do want to give him credit for actually doing something. But I still think the panels should be on a building roof, where positioning can be optimized, not on the car. Noel Perrin and others have reached the same conclusion regarding solar charging of electric cars and tractors. My boat is an exceptional case as the boat at the dock has much better solar exposure than the cottage roof, which is nestled into a forest of tall pines. Note in the article that the panels are only effective on his vehicle when the vehicle is operating. At least for my vehicles, that would be a small fraction of available daylight hours. There are some serious issues associated with potential over-charging, or determining how much to undercharge during operation to leave headroom in the batteries for potential solar charging, also allowing that clouds could roll in and negate the expected gain. All figures provided are based on modelling, and theoretical work. No actual results as yet (my experience as well when I last saw the vehicle at a local eco-show). I don't see anything that suggests the modeling allows for shaded time, impact on aero drag from the panels (present at all times, not just when panels are producing) or angle of incidence loss due to horizontal mounting of panels. Capacitors are high-efficiency, high power, and low energy per unit weight and volume. They make sense if mated with a high energy, low power energy source, such as most fuel cells (e.g., the Honda FCX), or certain battery technologies (e.g., 1970s era aluminum-air). Potentially also a good match to regenerative braking (let's not start that again). Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The triumph of crackpot realism
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/2/2006/1412 The triumph of crackpot realismby Alexander Cockburn July 27, 2006The frayed threads anchoring the American government to reality have finally snapped, just at the moment radiologists are reporting that Americans are getting too fat to be X-rayed or shoved into any existing MRI tube. The gamma rays can't get through the blubber, the same way actual conditions in the outside world bounce off the impenetrable dome of imbecility sheltering America's political leadership. Twenty-three years after one of America's stupidest presidents announced Star Wars, Reagan's dream has come true. Behind ramparts guarded by a coalition of liars extending from Rupert Murdoch to the New York Times, from Bill O'Reilly to PBS, America is totally shielded from truth. Here we have a secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, who gazes at the rubble of Lebanon, 300,000 refugees being strafed with Israel's cluster bombs, and squeaks happily that we are "witnessing the birth pangs of a new Middle East." Here we have a president, G. Bush, who urges Vladimir Putin to commence in Russia the same "institutional change" that is making Iraq a beacon of freedom and free _expression_. Not long after Bush extended this ludicrous invitation, the United Nations relayed from Iraq's Ministry of Health the country's real casualty rate, which was running at least 100 a day, now probably twice that number. Iraq's morgues reported receipts of 3,149 dead bodies in June; over 14,000 since the beginning of the year. Senior Iraqis in the government confide that break-up of Iraq into Sunni, Shia and Kurdish enclaves, each protected by its own militias, is now inevitable. Iraq as a viable country has been utterly destroyed, with even vaster carnage coming up over the horizon, and here's the numbskull president touting it as an advertisement for American nation-building at its best, and inviting its prime minister to Washington to proclaim Iraq's approaching renaissance, all in sync with the U.S. 2006 election campaigns. Here we have a Congress that reacts with outrage when America's picked man in Iraq, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, states the obvious, which is that Israel's attack is "dangerous" and that the world community is not doing enough to curb Israel's destruction of Lebanon. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi rushes out a statement, "Unless Mr. Maliki disavows his critical comments of Israel and condemns terrorism, it is inappropriate to honor him with a joint meeting of Congress," Another 20 Democrats said al-Maliki shouldn't be allowed to set foot in the place. Actually, I'm not so sure Congress is impervious to reality, particularly if reality spells out as a threat of withdrawal of support from the Israel lobby in the next electoral cycle. The place is about 98 percent bought and paid for by the lobby. How these transactions spell out on the ground was well described by Tom Hayden the other day on Counterpunch as he explained why he felt it necessary for his political future in Los Angeles to stand, Jane Fonda at his side, next to Israeli gunners shelling Beirut back in 1982. What we are now witnessing is the simultaneous collapse of two countries -- Iraq and Lebanon -- as sponsored or encouraged by America's ruling bipartisan coalition and its ideological counselors -- ranging from Christian nutballs like Jerry Falwell to secular nutballs like Christopher Hitchens. Wesley Clarke is now saying that back in late 2001, he visited the Pentagon and was told the planned hit list included Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan as part of a five-year campaign plan. Two down, five to go. The attack on Lebanon was planned in detail at least a year ago. Israel picked the supposed provocation of the Hezbollah capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12, but almost any excuse would have sufficed. In 1982, Israel lied flatly, and said it was responding to shells lobbed over the border, even though there'd been none for over a year. With Bush, Rice, the policy-makers and intellectual courtiers surrounding them, crackpot realism is the prevailing mode. "Crackpot realism" was the concept defined by the great Texan sociologist, C. Wright Mills in 1958, when he published "The Causes of World War Three," also the year that Dwight Eisenhower sent the Marines into Lebanon to bolster local U.S. factotum Lebanese President Camille Chamoun. "In crackpot realism," Mills wrote, "a high-flying moral rhetoric is joined with an opportunist crawling among a great scatter of unfocused fears and demands. ...The expectation of war solves many problems of the crackpot realists; ... instead of the unknown fear, the anxiety without end, some men of the higher circles prefer the simplification of known catastrophe. . They know of no solutions to the paradoxes of the Middle East and Europe, the Far East and Africa except the landing of
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
From what I have seen on the net and read the fuel sould be washed 3 time to get a clean product. Some or most of you out there making biodiesel every day might say that this is over kil. I don't know as I'm just getting started. My first wash will be mist only to remove the bulk of unwanted products from the reaction. 2nd wash mist and mild aireation, 3rd wash, mist and strong aireation. I think that this might work to help cut down on any emulsions in the wash and help move the fuel in the tank around a bit on the last wash as well. Just my thoughs on it. Steve - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Thank for the info. Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor. I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get a better feel for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, dry tank with two poly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation. Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005 truck. If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big. Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit. Post them where? The list doesn't accept attachments (as you were advised when you joined). If you want to post pictures you can discuss it with me offlist and if suitable I can post them at the Journey to Forever website and give you a link to use. Thanks Again, Steve Why do you want to use sprays and air-bubblers Steve, to help prevent emulsions? Best Keith Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the jury is still out. Although they don't say not to use it they don't say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000 miles in bio only. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barton Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Political battle brewing as November nears
Raw Story acquires 91-page Republican playbook for 'homestretch' campaigning A massive, 91-page memo to Senate Republicans outlining strategies for "homestretch" campaigning during the August recess, has been acquired by RAW STORY. The document, signed by Senators Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), reveals plans to focus Republican Senatorial campaigns on three themes. Next week, Republicans will tout efforts to "secure America's prosperity" through a variety of programs. Plans for small business health insurance pooling, spending reductions, increased domestic oil drilling, and "permanent death tax reform" are all to be pushed at the state level. Mid-month, Republicans are expected to shift gears, focusing voter's attention instead on a variety of values-based initiatives. "Democrats oppose preserving a clear definition of marriage, are blocking child custody protections, and have obstructed the confirmation of fair judges," the document reads. "Republicans are committed to protecting these traditional values by fostering a culture of life, protecting children, banning internet gambling and upholding the rule of law." Stem cell bills, though vetoed by President Bush are also to be championed by Republicans, even as they promote a law preventing "fetus farming," a practice lawmakers believe could one day result from stem cell research. Strangely, a section touting various types of stem cell funding set to be promoted by Republicans is followed by another section, headlined, "Setting The Record Straight: President Bush's Stem Cell Policy Is Working." Also included in the Republican values push will be the Child Custody Protection Act, which would make "it a federal crime to circumvent state parental involvement laws by taking a minor across state lines for an abortion." Republicans then plan to spend the month's remaining two weeks promoting the party's efforts in regard to homeland security. Approval of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' plan for new, court-martial-like trials for terror detainees seems to be a priority, as are funding for the US-Mexico border fence, employee background checks for port security workers and improvement of the national emergency alert system. The section seems more concerned, however, with defending the Republican record on security, promoting positive statements by the Iraqi Prime Minister, and combating Democratic criticism. For instance, terror suspect surveillance is listed as a priority, and "liberal newspaper" reports about NSA wiretap programs are criticised, but future programs are not listed among other proposed laws. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Raw_Story_acquires_91page_Republican_playbook_0804.html === [Democrats will fight back with 371-page report by Rep. John Conyers.]] John Conyers compiles list of Bush war crimes "Muckraker's Justin Rood spoke with Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the ranking Dem on the committee, about the report [above] and its purpose.""We said, 'look, we'll do it ourselves'" compile a document that lists every instance of alleged wrongdoing by the Bush administration's handling of intelligence, the war in Iraq, and retaliation against those who tried to speak out about it. "Every sentence, every allegation, every accusation that we have in this 371-page report has a citation or a reference to it of where we got it," Conyers explained, with a hint of pride at his staff's work. "We're not trying to play Department of Justice or prosecutor. We're trying to put on the record before too much other history blurs this," Conyers told me. " making sure that what we see as at least a couple dozen violations of federal statute do not go unnoticed. . . . We're trying to make sure that we have the fullest record of this, so that this won't be the work of industrious historians ten years from now." The Constitution in Crisis; The Downing Street Minutes and Deception,Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War,and Illegal Domestic Surveillance http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/iraqrept2.html[pdf documents] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Hi Theo...I'm sure others will have more specific information to help you, but I'd like todirect at least some of your attention along political lines with these questions: 1)Are there any monied interests that might be trying to do same as you and want you out of the way? 2) Who hired the inspector and pays the inspector's salary? 3) Is there help to be had from the Inspector's employer?4)Have you contacted local and state representation about what you want to do and how they can help you? I'm sure the questions could become even more plentiful and specific along these lines, but perhaps this is at least a start in a direction that might open up some other ways of thinking about how to deal with developing this project. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Theo Chadzichristos To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
The article statesThe 300 VDC output of the solar subsystem is attached to the switched side of the original Prius battery, so the PV battery cannot recharge the NiMH while the ignition is off. The PV system can inject a maximum of up to 2 amps continuously into the battery while the ignition is on. [...] The decision not to charge the hybrid when the car is off was a pragmatic choice, given the financial and time constraints of his project. Among other issues, there would need to be a thorough analysis to determined the optimal PV-NiMH energy flow/charge relationship. ---The article is conjecture. It has NOT been demonstrated as per the confession above. Solar cells are sensitive to orientation. They are also sensitive to occlusion, ie dirt or bird droppings or whatever. At least an inclined array is somewhat self cleaning and develops full power. Note the article said a maximum of 2A ([EMAIL PROTECTED] =600 watts) Again the photo and description says 270watts of pv.Quite a trick to get 600 watts out of 270.I wouldnt use this article as an example of anything but innacuracy. I still assert the cells would be far better off at the garage roof or somewhere where oriented.And the dollars spent probably better invested in a biofuel setup.Kirk Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it would add a huge degree of efficiency,If the funds were there I'd enhance the battery back and include capacitors. My noodling was with an old Isuzu Trooper - lots of room up top for panels, and a lot of sre room to tinker.Here's one person's expiriment: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/solar-powered_t.phpKirk McLoren wrote: The photovoltaics are non essential. In fact it is arguable that non concentrating cells are not a viable renewable enrgy source. The diesel on the other hand is the obvious answer and it is odd the hybrids are gasoline. The battery bank would be better replaced with supercap technology such as Skeltons (in prototype phase) but in the meantime we will have to muddle through. Kirk */Ron Peacetree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Back on the actual subject listed as the topic of this thread... A little digging has convinced me that a diesel-electric hybrid w/ photovoltaic cells on the the hood/roof/trunk could easily be the basis for vehicles that could completely replace the traditional gasoline/diesel based ground/water vehicles currently in use at acceptable levels of performance, economy, etc. (Air travel vehicles operate under more stringent constraints that I'm not sure this "diesel/electric w/ PV assist" power supply idea could satisfy.) A rotary diesel motor could supply as much as 2HP / liter; perhaps more if optimized for constant rpm. The battery problem should be solved by using fuel cells since they provide far more energy per unit weight. Until fuel cells are available, there are many new ideas for increasing even the efficiency of the "standard": the lead-acid battery (spin off company from Case or John Deer that gets ~2x the power/weight out of lead acid batteries IIRC?) that could fill in. For applications not as economically constrained, the "exotics" like Li-ion are of course an option. However, fuel cells seem to best any battery technology I've heard of. PV cells of as high as 42% efficiency are now reality; and I'm told by people in the that business that mass production would _significantly_ reduce their costs. This is a recipe for, say, a car, that fits all the constraints a normal consumer would have... ...and gets 100-200mpg while doing it. With these kind of fuel efficiencies and a little common sense as to what crops to use as the basis for biodiesel (ultimately I would think that a crop bred/engineered to be specialized for bio-diesel production would be the best solution...), the amount of farmland required for growing the crops needed to produce the biodiesel needs of a country would be _far_ less than any of the current estimates. Doing this would not only be "green" and conserve our petro-diesel resources for uses that so far they are the only unique source for, such as certain plastics and medical products, It might also help Us avert the continuing escalation of violence in the Middle East that seems to be at the moment the most likely cause of WWIII. Where do I sign? And how do We get "our leaders" to pursue what seems to be an eminently logical course of action for anyone who loves their children and their planet? Ron Peacetree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
start w/ www.municode.com Theo Chadzichristos wrote: Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] worth reading -an insight into politics and corporations - 4% of population is psychopathic
While I haven't read the books, I would be inclined to suspect that the population is not divided into a small minority who are 100% sociopathic plus a majority who are not at all sociopathic, but that there is something like a continuum with the pure sociopaths at one end. I suspect further that there might be several factors involved, perhaps * slow social learning; Eysenck's extraversion * poor perception of other peoples' feelings * indifference to other peoples' feelings Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Kirk McLoren wrote: http://cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all. If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. [...] Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Window on Iran
H. J. Eysenck reported in his book The Psychology of Politics (London: Routledge Kegan Paul, about 1954-1956) that he had found British Nazis to be generally overtly aggressive, and British Communists to be covertly aggressive. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski_2.htm [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Steve, Regarding misting and mild aeration to help cut down on any emulsions in the wash. Emulsions are telling you that something is wrong in the process leading up to the wash. Ex Water in the WVO or the methanol, faulty titration, mistakes in measurements or math. Maybe the process itself needs tweaking: decrease volume of WVO or raise temp a few degrees; processing time by 15 - 30 min . Minimize soap and unreacted mono- diglycerides and stir wash w/o emulsions. Stir washing saves time and does not promote fuel oxidation as aeration does. I ran a 76L batch yesterday morning. Let it sit in a settling tank for 24 hrs. Did my first stir wash at about noon today, my second at 3PM and just did my 3rd stir wash at 6 PM. I'll let it sit overnight and I expect to dry it tomorrow. Deal with the emulsions you are getting, but work to improve the process so that your BD can stand up to stir washing w/o fear of emulsion. Also learn to perform the quality tests described at JTF. Best of luck to you, Tom - Original Message - From: Steve Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars From what I have seen on the net and read the fuel sould be washed 3 time to get a clean product. Some or most of you out there making biodiesel every day might say that this is over kil. I don't know as I'm just getting started. My first wash will be mist only to remove the bulk of unwanted products from the reaction. 2nd wash mist and mild aireation, 3rd wash, mist and strong aireation. I think that this might work to help cut down on any emulsions in the wash and help move the fuel in the tank around a bit on the last wash as well. Just my thoughs on it. Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] worth reading -an insight into politics and corporations - 4% of population is psychopathic
Of course there is a distribution but there is demarcation. A criteria is set and 4% +- some deviation qualify as full blown nutters. We arent injection molded thermoplastic caricatures. There is a living dynamic. But the author builds a good case that there is a 4% you wouldnt leave alone with your children. Nor should you leave them in office. Or on a board of directors etc etc. poor perception and slow learning were in the next 16%. They are the people that exhibit psychopathic behavior if their boss is a psychopath. On their own they are somewhat inhibited. The 4%are worse. Much worse. These 4% are destroying civilization while the "sheep" look for the good in man. The sheep better deal with the wolves. It isnt getting better on its own. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF Read the classic, and the article. Then decide if the author is chicken little and the sky is falling.Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I haven't read the books, I would be inclined to suspect thatthe population is not divided into a small minority who are 100% sociopathic plus a majority who are not at all sociopathic, but that there is something like a continuum with the "pure" sociopaths at one end.I suspect further that there might be several factors involved, perhaps* slow social learning; Eysenck's "extraversion"* poor perception of other peoples' feelings* indifference to other peoples' feelingsDoug WoodardSt. Catharines, Ontario, CanadaOn Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Kirk McLoren wrote: http://cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all. If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. [...] Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population[snip]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Theo, I am also in the region you mentioned, here is a link that should help http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/ http://www.biodiesel.org/ the handling and use sections on the .org site should give you lots of help. There is also an excise tax form there that you may want to note the due date and fill out if you have not already. I believe that the local bio producers / retailers listed there would be more than happy to give some verbal help too. Gary From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theo Chadzichristos Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FFA Recovery
I have tried to seperate the FFA and Glycerine in the way as Todd Swearingen has described It. I only get two layers instead of three, can anyone explan this? When I want to recycle the FFA in the first step of my Two Stage Acid Base proces do I have to add extra Methanol? With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Re: Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Hello,I met a man the other night who said he knows a fuel dealer in Champagne, IL who says that biodiesel ruins the fuel system in new vehicles and consequently will not recommend its use. I was under the impression that most new vehicles use biodiesel-resistant Viton components. Is it just manufacturer dependent? Does anyone know if the US auto manufacturers use Viton? Is Viton even completely resistant to biodiesel? Lots of questions, but thanks. Will On 8/2/06, Andres Secco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve, I have been testing biodiesel in newer Hyundai and Kia diesel vehicles and have some findings. First of all the base RPM increases up to 1500 RPM. After a week using B50 (50% biodiesel) the normal range comes back. I guess is because the computermodifies the air or fuel intake, but it happens. Over 3500 RPM the torque or power of the engine seems to decrease, since the engine reacts slowly than when use petroleoum diesel, but after one week this changes to the old behaviour. I have no noticed any change in the milleage per gallon. I have noted a subtancial reduction in opacity and the whole emission gas pack, which is very strict in my country. The only problem is the natural rubber in the fuel pump and piping of the engine which is deteriorated with biodiesel, but takes a time to happen and with a 20% blend takes months, but happens. I have heard that newer vehicles comes equipped with Viton rubber and resistant to Biodiesel but I am not sure which ones were changed because the technical depts. of the dealers do not give much info. Actually none of them have answered my e-mails. Regards - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Visita www.tutopia.com y comienza a navegar más rápido en Internet.Tutopia es Internet para todos. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Mr Chadzichristos Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! 1000 gallons a day is a commercial operation, no? We're not here to provide free consultancy services for commercial operations. Of course we're not against commercial operations either, but the focus here is small-scale, local community level or individual projects, using an Appropriate Technology approach and Open-Source development, with the emphasis on sharing and collaboration. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think your 1000-gallon-a-day operation fits that description, in which case you should either do your own homework or hire a consultant. Thankyou. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?
Correction. The bio-diesel engines in question do not get ~2 HP per =liter=, They get ~2 HP per =pound= or ~1-2 HP per 10cc. I am. of course, hoping that a constant rpm bio-diesel engine can be designed that does even better than this. :-) Ron ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
