Re: [Biofuel] negative ions
Dear Kirk,
I have no theory buy I can tell you that water does not ionize due to impact.
For some more information on this topic check out www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html
The title pretty much says it all.
Best Regards
Philip
Philip Gwinnell
Hainan Bioenergy
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:21:32 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL
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The normal Ion count in fresh country air is 2,000 to 4,000 negative Ions per
cubic centimeter (about the size of a sugar cube). At Yosemite Falls, you'll
experience over 100,000 negative Ions per cubic centimeter. On the other hand,
the level is far below 100 per cubic centimeter on the Los Angeles freeways
during rush hour.
http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/negativeions.html
Today all burn cases at Northeastern are immediately put in a windowless, ion
conditioned room. In ten minutes, usually, the pain has gone. Patients are left
in the room for 30 minutes. The treatment is repeated three times every 24
hours. In 85 percents of the cases no pain-deadening narcotics are needed. Says
Northeastern's Dr. Robert McGowan, Negative ions make burns dry out faster,
heal faster and with less scarring. They also reduce the need for
skin-grafting. They make the patient more optimistic. He sleeps better.
Encouraged by this success in burn therapy, Dr. Kornblueh, Dr. J. R. Minehart,
Northeastern's chief surgeon, and his associate Dr. T. A. David boldly tried
negative ions in relief of deep, postoperative pain. During an eight month test
period they exposed 138 patients to negative ions on the first and second days
after surgery. Dr. Kornblueh has just announced the results at a London
congress of bioclimatologists. In 79 cases 57 percent of the total negative
ions eliminated or drastically reduced pain. At first, says Dr. Minehart, I
thought it was voodoo. Now I'm convinced that it's real and revolutionary.
http://amasci.com/emotor/kelvin.html
this page tells how to build a water drop high voltage generator. I get the
impression the charge on waterfall droplets results because the environment is
charged. The droplet charge is influenced by that. If the sky is positive and
the earth negative the droplets would be influenced to be negative. Repulsion
from the earth and attraction from the sky.
Whats your theory? The fact they are charged is empirical evidence.
Philip Gwinnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't follow either. If water (or any molecule for that matter) started
deconstructing on impact we'd be in deep shit. Maybe these people know the
secret of cold fusion too - perhaps can it be carried out with an umbrella.
Philip GwinnellHainan Bioenergy
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:07:19 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] negative ions Ok
could you explain again how the pulverization of water results in
ionization (of a molecule?) I don't follow. Joe Kirk McLoren wrote:
December 30, 1990 NEGION.ASC
This
article is from raum zeit (Space Time), Vol. 1, No. 5, 1989/90, page
85. Subscriptions are available for $59.00 per year in the continental
United States. raum zeit Telephone : 714-240-3775 P.O. Box
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Chrystyne Jackson 92672 U.S.A.
Why are Negative Ions So Healthy? Lenard (1915) found that when water
is atomized (e.g. on impact of a water droplet), negative and positive
charges are SEPARATED. Molecules which are torn from the surface of the
water bear a NEGATIVE charge (small negative ions) whereas large drops or
the entire mass of water are POSITIVE.
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Re: [Biofuel] Meanwhile - Biodiesel start-up hauls in $214 million
Hi Dawie Keith - I'm afraid I wasn't paying attention when I first encountered the allegation about catalytic converters, General Motors, Johnson-Matthey, and some then not very valuable shares in platinum mines. I think it was in the late lamented motorcycle magazine AWoL. I was half hoping you could supply some detail ... The list archives might be able to, if not directly then you could pick up some leads to follow further. I've long understood the inappropriateness of using the term free market to describe corporate capitalism. But it's been so successful, journalists spout it with the jerk of a knee, Joe Bloggs has a high opinion of it. You'd think it means free of fascism rather than free of regulation. The advantage is that it gives us a level playing field which the big guys get to tip their way without the machine yelling Tilt. >From a previous message: > Whatever could be wrong with free trade? Sounds so equitable and democratic. But the winds of free trade favour the ships with the biggest sails, and sink the rest. The magic of the marketplace and the Invisible Hand don't bring the greatest benefit to the greatest number - on the contrary, in an unregulated marketplace, goods will inevitably be driven towards those with excess funds (the wealthy) and away from those with no means (the poor and needy). As we can see, worldwide. The other side of the same coin: In a message dated 6/23/05 2:09:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mass poverty and hunger are the collateral damage of neoliberal wealth creation (read wealth extraction, poverty creation) >> more like an essential ingredient in the process. anywhere you find people impoverished and marginalized in their own land, if they aren't kept on the brink of survival then they'll start thinking about how to kick out the thieves and parasites. ... It also requires a large reserve pool of readily exploitable factory fodder, or just any kind of fodder, people who'll do virtually anything at any price to get some food for their kids and are all too aware of the hundreds or thousands waiting to take their place - they know they're the lucky ones. Now what was all that again about border industries? Rings bells eh Dawie? The suits spout about the benefits of being untrammelled, and doubtless most of them believe it. What really benefits them is a rather draconian regulatory environment with which they have an exclusive ability to comply. Yes. Surely there is the odd suit that understands that? Many I think. But they're operating within the context of the primacy of the bottom line, in fact required by law to give priority to the bottom line. But in human terms that's the behaviour of a psychopath. Yet the corporations - the thing itself, whatever it is, not the people who work for it - have more human rights than humans do. Corporations have different personalities, some are more benign than others, and maybe they tend to attract more of the odd suits as a result. Maybe there's scope for evolution in that, and maybe some of the suits also think so, especially right now, when a lot of people are waking up to a lot of things they can't ignore any longer. We get emails from high-placed executives in transnational corporations. They tell us of their families and their children, of their dreams, sometimes of projects they do in their spare time (gardening! - very subversive!), but the reason they write is that they want to make a difference. Unless we speculate that the corporate organizational structure is sufficiently complex to manifest a form of rudimentary and ruthless intelligence that does understand that - the sort of sly stupidity one associates with monsters in mythology. I'm sure there's that too. Not necessarily stupid. I'm alliterating today. Oh, now I'm assonating! :-) But the ability to play chess is not that uncommon. If lots of people can think a few moves ahead, why not corporate strategists? I think any strategist can think a few moves ahead. But we all have our blindspots, and the corporate worldview has many, many of them peculiar to corporations. And if lots of people can second-guess other people thinking a few moves ahead ... There are lots of signs of that happening in this context. The Internet turns out to be the great leveller of unlevel playing fields. We all know which are the monster corporations, the top corporate criminals year after year, no use trying to evolve or reform or rehabilitate them, they're the problem and they have to go, and so does their entire neo-liberal playing field. The idea that that will necessarily destroy the whole structure of world or Western or American civilisation and life-as-we-know-it with it doesn't hold a lot of water. Nobody needs the corporate criminals. Economics and sanity are not incompatible. Time for sane economics, methinks. Hey, I've got a suit. I even wore it once. Required for a job I was commissioned for. Very high-quality suit,
Re: [Biofuel] Truth or Propaganda?
Hello Robert I didn't reply to this because I was a bit taken aback. Anyway I'll try. Lots of snips. Good for you with your attempt to complain to Feinstein, but why work in a vacuum? A lot of folks enjoyed those Oz videos about Stupid Americans but I thought they were very depressing! None of those folks could pinpoint Iran on a map, they thought Australia was Iran. But they wanted to nuke it anyway. If I was an Australian that would've worried me deeply! Ooops! Sorry! You detect no bias in that film? Of course! Had they asked ME those questions, I'd have been able to answer them without difficulty, and I'm an American, too! Yet it sends a funnier, and in some ways more sobering, message to only show the half-wits and characterize the rest of us as existing within the same intellectual framework. But you do. There are what, 40 million of them? 60 million maybe? Their manufactured consent is part of the national intellectual framework within which these actions become possible. You're not represented by the fundamentalist so-called Christian right either, but they're a disproportionate part of setting that framework too. No need to fool all of the people all of the time as long as you fool enough of them enough of the time. Those of us who oppose the stupidity going on in my country are routinely shouted down by those who are perpetrating it, as well as their devoted minions. The filmakers didn't show any people with contrasting capabilities, and that omission makes it look like the average American is a dolt. What sticks about it is that a similar level of ignorance is displayed by prospective senior diplomats answering questions at the Senate who can barely finger the country they're going to be ambassador to on the map. The name Chester Crocker rings a bell, eg, IIRC, but there've been many of them. Such fiascos get wide coverage in the world press (high aghast value, makes good copy), and so do the ensuing disasters. Anyway, that video crew knew what they were looking for and were confident they'd find it, as they did. Where else in the world can you go out on the street and be confident of finding folks with such a doltish world-view? Anywhere else where the per capita expenditure on education compares with the US? Anywhere else at all? Maybe that's the point. Sure, they could have found a bunch of really switched-on folks too, but you can find those anywhere. You're right that it's up to us Americans to agitate for change, but I'm sad to say that the driving force behind my government has very little concern for my view as a citizen. Yes, Robert, that's one of the things Americans are agitating to change. Other people have been calling the Global Village the Other Superpower for a few years now, but the Business Party mouthpiece thinks it's an authority deficit, the end of CAWKI, aarghh, we'll all be murdered in our beds. Well let's hope it is, CAWKI's past its use-by date anyway. You can shoot these guys on suspicion Robert, if it's deep suspicion use a refined roadside bomb, LOL! Me? Advocate violence? My fighting days are a dim and unpleasant memory! That's the bit that left me nonplussed. You seriously think I meant that literally? Maybe you were just feeling tender because you felt America was being got at. (Actually it was global corporatism that was being got at, but indeed Wall Street is not far from Washington.) Robert, we're talking about a war of words. Eg.: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17148.htm US ratchets up 'psy-ops' against Tehran 02/22/07 SaudiDebate -- Psychological warfare is fast emerging as the key component of the conflict between Iran and the United States. It is being used extensively by the latter to influence Iranian behavior in Iraq and secure a climbdown by the Islamic Republic in the intricate negotiations over the country's controversial nuclear program. He calls it a War of words, but he's only looking at a part of it, the Middle East bit, the target. Another part is the diplomatic (so to speak) offensive aimed at the UN, the EU etc, on the world stage outside the Middle East and outside the US. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17149.htm US Iran intelligence 'is incorrect' Vienna 02/22/07 Guardian -- -- Much of the intelligence on Iran's nuclear facilities provided to UN inspectors by US spy agencies has turned out to be unfounded, diplomatic sources in Vienna said today. And so on. The third part of the war, maybe the most important part, is the domestic offensive - the lying and cynical campaign of spin and disinfo to manufacture consent in the US for a killing war against Iran, which so many people have said is just a replay of the pre-Iraq spin and disinfo. Outside the US people have difficulty grasping the fact that you're actually doing the same thing all over again, it's beyond belief. But that's what's happening. When you shoot known
Re: [Biofuel] Truth or Propaganda?
Keith Addison wrote: Hello Robert I didn't reply to this because I was a bit taken aback. Anyway I'll try. Lots of snips. Good for you with your attempt to complain to Feinstein, but why work in a vacuum? It's a little isolating to live "over the line." My social network is primarily comprised of people who strenuously disagree with me. I've never been much of an activist, preferring to be left alone, and that reticence works against me in this realm. (Bias in the OZ films) Of course! Had they asked ME those questions, I'd have been able to answer them without difficulty, and I'm an American, too! Yet it sends a funnier, and in some ways more sobering, message to only show the half-wits and characterize the rest of us as existing within the same intellectual framework. But you do. There are what, 40 million of them? 60 million maybe? Their manufactured consent is part of the national intellectual framework within which these actions become possible. You're not represented by the fundamentalist so-called Christian right either, but they're a disproportionate part of setting that framework too. Yes, I hear your point. If I'm sensitive to this, it's only because I don't like being lumped into the same category with a bunch of dolts! No need to fool all of the people all of the time as long as you fool enough of them enough of the time. The lies are so pervasive, so compelling, and they're told with such straight faces that even our journalists repeat them without challenge. Here's an interview conducted by Robert Siegel with the Israeli ambassador on NPR yesterday. I've inserted my comments in parentheses. *** Middle East Israeli Envoy Calls for Resolve on Iran, Hamas All Things Considered, February 22, 2007 Sallai Meridor recently arrived in Washington to serve as Israel's ambassador to the United States. His tenure begins at an important juncture: The Middle East peace process is in a multi-sided stalemate. And the region is adjusting to the news that Iran has defied the United Nations in enriching uranium. Asked if Israel a country that many believe already has nuclear weapons of its own would act unilaterally if Iran persists with its development plans, Meridor takes a different tack. "I think it's critical that the Iranians know that they should not be allowed to have [a] nuclear weapon," the ambassador says, "and that all options are on the table." If Iran succeeds in developing a nuclear weapon, Meridor says, "it would be a mortal threat to the world, and the world should get their act together to stop it now." (insert: Where's the evidence that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon??? And even if they were, why would that be a mortal threat to the world?) Robert Siegel talks with Meridor. A transcript of the interview follows: ROBERT SIEGEL: The Middle East peace process, which has long been in a state of suspended animation, is now in a kind of multisided stalemate. The quartet, which is made up of the U.S., the European Union, the U.N. and Russia, reminded the Palestinians last night that their government must renounce violence, recognize Israel, and accept previous agreements and obligations. The Palestinian Islamist group, Hamas, which won the last parliamentary election, does not meet those requirements. (insert: See, that last statement is accepted as a given. Hamas is bad. There is no inclusion of the cease-fire, and NOTHING is mentioned from the perspective of the Palestinians. The "world" is portrayed as unified against Hamas, but that's not what I'm hearing in this forum!) A Palestinian government of national unity that includes Hamas that was brokered by Saudi Arabia and the President Mahmoud Abbas says is the best they can possibly do does not yet satisfy the quartet's terms. And that is just the barrier to getting back to serious negotiations. The issues that Israel and the Palestinians would actually negotiate are no easier today than they were a few years ago. Joining us to talk about those and other issues is Sallai Meridor, who recently arrived in Washington to serve as Israeli's ambassador to the United States. Welcome to the program. AMBASSADOR SALLAI MERIDOR: Thank you. And thank you for having me. MR. SIEGEL: First off, is there any declaration or commitment that Hamas could say or make that would satisfy Israel that a Palestinian government, including Hamas, could be a partner for peace, or does Hamas being Hamas preclude that. AMB. MERIDOR: Well, Hamas is today a terrorist organization committed to the destruction of the state of Israel. What it would take for us to be able to move forward is to have a Palestinian government that recognizes the right of Israel to exist, that renounces terrorism and violence, and that is committed to adhering to previous
[Biofuel] Learning from Cuba's response to peak oil
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[Biofuel] The 'fuel of the future' has arrived your gas tank From farmer's field - Woodstock Sentinel Review - 2007.02.22
The 'fuel of the future' has arrived your gas tank From farmer's field to; Agriculture reporter Bruce Urquhart wades into the ethanol debate Illustration: 3 photos; 1. 2 photos courtesy by Metro Creative Graphics; GOLDEN; Farmers in Oxford County could benefit from the biofuel boom. Plants are being erected in Aylmer, and Tillsonburg.; 2. graphic by Bruce Urquhart When Henry Ford unveiled his mass-produced Model T in 1908, it was designed to run on a mixture of gasoline and ethanol, a blend that, at the time, he called the fuel of the future. While Ford likely thought this future a little more immediate, his prediction could prove true almost a century later. A surge of interest in the environment, coupled with mounting government attention to alternative fuels, has given ethanol and other biofuels a new legitimacy. Both the provincial and federal governments have committed millions of dollars to supporting a national policy on renewable fuels, making ethanol, biodiesel and their counterparts a solid plank of their environmental initiatives. The Harper government recently confirmed its intention to require 5 per cent average renewable content in Canadian gasoline and diesel fuel, such as ethanol and biodiesel, by 2010, providing $345 million for capital incentives and new research and development. With the Conservative government's commitment, ethanol production is expected to triple in the next three years, peaking at over 650 million litres by 2010. When the Harper government announces the federal budget on March 19, many economists are expecting even more incentives for biofuel production. Community co-ops (for ethanol) need development money, said Berry Murray, the CEO of the Canadian Sweet Potato Ethanol Alliance, which is building a $140-million plant in Tillsonburg. We need money for business plan development, feasibility studies and operating grants. There's a lot to do yet in Canada, but they are announcing a lot of programs. We're hoping they're getting the message (because) there's a tremendous potential for the agricultural community ... for localized energy production. The Canadian government's initiatives are actually surpassed by ongoing efforts south of the border. In his Jan. 23 State of the Union address, U.S. President George W. Bush outlined an ambitious plan to reduce his nation's dependence on foreign oil by requiring the production of roughly 134 trillion litres a year of renewable and alternative fuels by 2017, a fivefold increase of the target set by the American Congress in its 2005 Energy Policy Act. Ethanol is an example of what I'm talking about, Bush said in a 2006 exchange. And ethanol is good for drivers. Ethanol is homegrown. Ethanol will replace gasoline consumption. With corn-distilled ethanol currently the most popular and readily available biofuel, and the North American demand set to eclipse supply, these government initiatives will have a profound impact on the continent's agricultural sector. While Canadian growers have struggled with low corn prices in recent years, the keen interest in ethanol, together with the existing infrastructure for the corn-distilled fuel, should augur a parallel increase in the commodity's value. But corn isn't the only crop that could be impacted by the government's ethanol intoxication. Because ethanol can be derived from the starch or sugar in a number of ordinary crops, including wheat, straw and sweet potatoes, the true impact of the biofuel escalation on North American growers is impossible to quantify. For rural Ontario, including Oxford County, this keen interest could mean hundreds of jobs and, according to the Canadian Renewable Fuels Association, a market for at least an additional 50-million bushels of corn every year. With the new ethanol plants slated for Tillsonburg and Aylmer, Oxford County farmers seem well situated to benefit from this biofuel boom. For the Tillsonburg plant, the alliance is actually viewing ethanol production as a complement to crop production, using the fuel to underwrite its foray into the sweet potato market. By using sweet potato waste as one of its feedstocks, the alliance hopes to offer the actual crop at a price competitive with the expensive imports from the southern U.S. If we have a facility that can take the waste for a value-added return, we can help price the sweet potatoes competitively, Murray said. We can use the waste revenues to make sure that's a competitive model ... and help facilitate the growth of the sweet potato industry. If we can help grow that industry, there is a potential of high earnings for local farmers. While the future seems bright for the growers and processors involved with the burgeoning ethanol industry, this particular fuel does have its detractors. Some critics doubt the broader environmental benefits of ethanol while others disparage its economic viability. There are also those who fear the growing demand for corn and similar biological materials could
[Biofuel] Chrétien takes heat over Kyoto - Globe Mail - 2007.02.23
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070223.LIBSKYOTO23/TPStory/ Chrétien takes heat over Kyoto Former PM was not ready to meet targets when Canada signed on, adviser says BILL CURRY With a report from Bloomberg OTTAWA -- Former prime minister Jean Chrétien committed Canada to the Kyoto Protocol fully expecting to fall short of the targets, the man who served as his trusted policy adviser says. Eddie Goldenberg made the surprising comments in a London, Ont., speech yesterday as the House of Commons is deadlocked over whether it is too late for Canada to meet its 2012 emission-reduction targets. The remarks also come as an Alberta oil official revealed what he said is the Conservative government's plan for reducing emissions from the oil industry. Rather than absolute reductions, Suncor Energy spokesman John Rogers said, companies may be required to reduce the amount of annual carbon emissions by 2 per cent for each barrel of oil produced. Failing to do so would trigger a penalty of 25 cents a barrel, he said, citing conversations with federal officials. Earlier this week, a report from environmentalists at the Pembina Institute said the oil sands could comply with Kyoto's targets by adding between 58 cents and $1.18 (U.S.) to the production cost of each barrel of oil. Environment Minister John Baird said final decisions have not been made as to the government's climate-change regulations for industry, which he has promised to release before the end of March. He said Mr. Goldenberg's remarks confirm the Conservatives' criticism of the previous government. We always knew that the Liberals had no plan, they took no action and had little intention of doing so, he said. According to speaking notes provided to The Globe, Mr. Goldenberg told the Canadian Club yesterday that the Liberal government was not ready to take the difficult measures necessary to comply with Kyoto. I am not sure that Canadian public opinion -- which was overwhelmingly in favour of ratifying Kyoto in the abstract -- was then immediately ready for some of the concrete implementation measures that governments would have to take to address the issue of climate change, Mr. Goldenberg said. Nor was the government itself even ready at the time with what had to be done. The Kyoto targets were extremely ambitious and it was very possible that short-term deadlines would at the end of the day have to be extended. Mr. Goldenberg said the simple act of signing the protocol was beneficial in the long run because it galvanized public opinion in favour of action on climate change. Canada signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997 and committed to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions to 6 per cent below 1990 levels in 2008 to 2012. Emissions are now more than 30 per cent above that target. Liberal environment critic David McGuinty said he was personally involved in crafting plans to help Ottawa meet Kyoto's targets as head of the National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy, a federal advisory body. I'm very surprised to hear this from Mr. Goldenberg, he said. The Liberal MP noted that Mr. Goldenberg is now an Ottawa lobbyist for clients such as TransCanada Pipelines, which supports a MacKenzie Valley pipeline to transport oil from Alaska to Alberta. Mr. McGuinty said he was simply stating that Mr. Goldbenberg should explain why he is now making these comments. Darryl's comment: OK, now that we know who to blame for the record, could we now move on to trying to improve the situation? -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] UK Consumers' revolt: Power to the people
This from a friend, and I though sufficiently encouraging that it is worth passing along. Darryl Original Message http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2296848.ece Consumers' revolt: Power to the people Consumer militancy erupts as individuals join forces on the internet to fight back against the state and big business Published: 23 February 2007 Banks A mass revolt has left the high street banks facing thousands of claims from customers seeking to claw back some of the £4.75bn levied annually on charges for overdrafts and bounced cheques. More than one million forms demanding refunds have been downloaded from a number of consumer websites. The banks are settling out of court, often paying £1,000 a time. Utilities While average gas and electricity bills approached £1,000 last year, a record 4 million householders have dumped their supplier after an internet-led consumer campaign. British Gas admitted yesterday it lost 1.1m customers in just 12 months, and two weeks ago slashed gas bills by 17 per cent and electricity bills by 11 per cent. Other big suppliers, Powergen and npower, are expected to follow suit. Road pricing Plans for road pricing have faced massive public opposition spearheaded by an internet campaign. In just three months 1.8 million people have signed an online petition, linked to a new section of the Downing Street website, launched by a disgruntled motorist from Telford. Supermarkets From Devon to Inverness, planning applications for superstores are being thwarted by residents' campaigns orchestrated on the internet. Tesco scrapped a superstore plan in Darlington last year following opposition and this week residents sank a Tesco plan for a £130m retail development in Tolworth, Surrey. Friends of the Earth is co-ordinating the protests across the country. Air travel Green travellers are boycotting air travel because of climate change. Campaigners have staged sit-ins at airports while hundreds of people have signed up to an online pledge set up by a veteran environmental campaigner. An estimated 3 per cent of people have stopped flying to help the environment, while 10 per cent are cutting back onflights. Packaging A campaign launched by The Independent urging supermarkets to reduce excessive packaging has prompted a remarkable response. Supermarkets have had to defend their practices after thousands of readers emailed examples of environmentally damaging packaging. The campaign gained widespread public support - a day of action is planned later this year - and has been backed in an early day motion in the House of Commons. Football tickets Football fans fed up with paying £50 a time to watch games have joined forces online to put pressure on clubs to slash prices. Manchester City fans led a boycott of the club's match at Wigan in protest at the cost of tickets. Chelsea have announced a freeze on most ticket prices next year and Bolton promised a 10 per cent cut. Post Offices Government proposals to axe 2,500 post offices has prompted an organised revolt from pensioners and consumer groups across Britain. The Federation of Subpostmasters and a number of other organisations have launched online petitions opposing the plan, and a rally was staged in London on Tuesday to increase the pressure on the Government to save the post offices from closure. -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (now in print and eBook) http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Meanwhile - Biodiesel start-up hauls in $214 million
i have a novel buried under my bed somewhere. it is one of those cyber-apocalypse, computers destroy the world type things written just before 2000. it didnt really state anything useful, or even really that entertaining (thus it is buried under the bed) except there was one passage where the main characters were playing with acronyms and they came to the conclusion that gods (in the corporate case, demons) DO in fact exist, but only as a collections of minds- similar to a computer network- that create a large, intangible, intelligent, background program (deity). also described in the form of the previously mentioned computer themed acronym as a G.O.D. or group overmind daemon. Take away the minds and the overall conciousness begins to fade. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Meanwhile - Biodiesel start-up hauls in $214 million Unless we speculate that the corporate organizational structure is sufficiently complex to manifest a form of rudimentary and ruthless intelligence that does understand that - the sort of sly stupidity one associates with monsters in mythology. I'm sure there's that too. Not necessarily stupid. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 1:26 PM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FIU to Study Alternative Ethanol Technology
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Re: [Biofuel] Truth or Propaganda?
Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: Hello Robert I didn't reply to this because I was a bit taken aback. Anyway I'll try. Lots of snips. Good for you with your attempt to complain to Feinstein, but why work in a vacuum? It's a little isolating to live over the line. I know. It happened to me when I was 23 and a little blue-eyed boy in the eyes of my family and so on because of my stellar progress up the rungs of the journalism career ladder, but then I went and altogether blew it by chucking aside a great job on a national paper and joined a black paper instead. Then it all changed, they always knew there was something basically unsound about Keith... It was never discussed, an unmentionable. When I was with them (where I wasn't quite a pariah, immediate family and a few others) I had to pretend it just didn't exist, and, very considerately I'm sure they thought, so did they. Polite, you know. So the gap grew, as there was more and more I didn't and couldn't talk about. Though I was ever more deeply involved in them, it was not possible to discuss any of the huge issues challenging life in South Africa with anyone in my family or any of the people I grew up with. That never changed, even though South Africa did, bringing what you'd've thought would be vindication. But then, it just occurred to me that they'd probably have behaved exactly the same way if I'd turned out to be gay. Not the only such example, and not only with those people. Never did like ladders. Ever noticed how the higher you go the narrower the rungs get? Maybe with that bit of background you can understand why I think it's kind of useless to complain to senators and so on. Er, excuse me Mr Vorster... LOL! Not much different anywhere else, just a matter of degree. There was no such thing as a peace network, nor even a left wing, they were all in jail, in exile or dead, or living secret lives and very bothered about the spies among us. The so-called left wing was a right of centre party backed by Anglo American. All a little isolating, yes. My social network is primarily comprised of people who strenuously disagree with me. At least they still talk to you. I've never been much of an activist, preferring to be left alone, and that reticence works against me in this realm. So why do you confine yourself to that realm? In fact you don't, or you wouldn't be here. Here's a bit you snipped from the previous: The propaganda machine is SO well oiled and widespread it's becoming nearly impossible to find truth in news reporting . . . That's one reason I find this forum so valuable. Yes, me too! Do any of the peace networks have local branches in your area Robert? Are you put off? If so, why? Actually all the peace networks have local branches in your area, right there in the computer you're staring at right now. Just like this forum. Don't you think they might have been able to offer a more effective approach than just calling Senator Feinstein, perhaps one that coordinated with other efforts? Or maybe some specific information on how to get through to Feinstein or someone like her instead of getting a brush-off? These groups do have such resources within their sphere of interest, just as this one does within our sphere. (Bias in the OZ films) Of course! Had they asked ME those questions, I'd have been able to answer them without difficulty, and I'm an American, too! Yet it sends a funnier, and in some ways more sobering, message to only show the half-wits and characterize the rest of us as existing within the same intellectual framework. But you do. There are what, 40 million of them? 60 million maybe? Their manufactured consent is part of the national intellectual framework within which these actions become possible. You're not represented by the fundamentalist so-called Christian right either, but they're a disproportionate part of setting that framework too. Yes, I hear your point. If I'm sensitive to this, it's only because I don't like being lumped into the same category with a bunch of dolts! We're all in the same lifeboat. No need to fool all of the people all of the time as long as you fool enough of them enough of the time. The lies are so pervasive, How did it get to be that way, do you think it just suddenly happened? so compelling, and they're told with such straight faces that even our journalists repeat them without challenge. Not even other journalists, primarily other journalists. Here's an interview conducted by Robert Siegel with the Israeli ambassador on NPR yesterday. I've inserted my comments in parentheses. I've snipped it, but yes, quite! The usual story. But not the only story around. snip Now I believe that NPR represents the pinnacle of journalism in the United States, The pinnacle of journalism. Where would one look for the pinnacle of journalism these days? In the mainstream media? Actually you do find examples of
[Biofuel] Pasteurised raw milk?
Seems your organic raw milk might be pasteurised anyway. http://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/?id=34 Pasteurization :-( Francis Pottenger, where are you when we need you? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pasteurised raw milk?
If the system has touched it it is denatured and toxic. Meat is worse. It is injected with so much solution that pan frying a burger results in boiled meat. Also I dont feel well the next day. Our homegrown beef does not do this and isnt toxic. You can feel and taste the difference. Kirk Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems your organic raw milk might be pasteurised anyway. http://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/?id=34 Pasteurization :-( Francis Pottenger, where are you when we need you? Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
