date:20070509

Hello to All,

 It is my impression that a thicker than paper thin middle layer in the 
wash test may not indicate an incomplete reaction, but rather excess soap 
production. This may be due to high FFA content in the WVO oil, water in the 
oil, water in the caustic, or in the methanol. It may even be due to too much 
caustic.
 For these reasons, and others, beginner's should start with small (1L) 
test batches using virgin oil, the highest quality chemicals,  balances that 
allow accurate measurements.

 Much of the soap settles out with the glycerin, as does most of the 
caustic and excess methanol. Even after 12 or 24 hours of settling some of the 
soap, caustic and excess methanol is still in the biodiesel fraction. That's 
why we wash it. The amount that remains is related to the amount produced in 
the reaction.

 Using virgin oil eliminates not only the need to titrate, but also soap 
formed due to FFAs in the oil. Initial test batches with anything other than 
the paper thin middle layer (wash test) are unacceptable because it indicates 
either an incomplete reaction or excess soap. Given virgin oil, accurate 
measurements, and quality chemicals excess soap should not form.

 After success with small (1L) test batches using virgin oil, one may begin 
using WVO and eventually scale up to larger batches. This not only increases 
the volume of a potential disaster (Emulsions), but also increases the number 
of variables that must be considered when a problem arises.

 How do you know what is causing the problem?
 Become familiar with the methanol test (Quality Testing) described at JTF. 
If there was an incomplete reaction and various glycerides remain in the 
biodiesel, they will remain undissolved in the methanol   a residue at 
the bottom; reprocessing is in order. If the entire sample of BD dissolves in 
the methanol, but the wash test resulted in a thicker than paper thin middle 
layer, the problem is soap formation. If using virgin oil, (or low titrating 
WVO) and too much soap forms, consider the presence of water or improper 
measurement/calculations.

Ex:
 During methanol recovery (from glycerin mix) one must consider water 
contamination in the distillate. Using the recovered methanol may result in a 
complete reaction with little soap (good methanol), complete reaction with more 
soap than expected (some water contamination), or incomplete reaction with a 
lot of soap (serious water contamination). 
 The more serious problems are invariably associated with last liters of 
methanol that were distilled. I have had a similar experience using the last 
gallons of methanol from a barrel. As the barrel empties, water in the air 
condenses   more water in final gallons. 

 The wash test and the methanol quality tests are both valuable. 

 Towards the end of each reaction, I shut off the pump and draw off a 
sample of the mix, and then turn the pump back on. I let the mix settle for 
about 10 minutes and then do a solubility-in-methanol test on some of the BD 
fraction. If it passes, I pump the mix into my settling tank. If I'm making 
fuel for my car, and the BD fails the test, I'd add a bit more methoxide and 
continue processing. If I'm making fuel for my oil-fired boiler (larger 
batches; only 16% methanol vol/vol) a small residue of unreacted oil is 
acceptable. Testing this way saves the expense of time and resources involved 
in reprocessing.

 Prior to washing a batch I always do a wash test. If the batch passed the 
methanol test, but there is a thicker than paper thin middle layer I may let 
it settle longer, or put a few extra ml. of phosphoric acid in the first wash 
water.
Having passed the methanol test, I wouldn't consider reprocessing.

 Tom

 
- Original Message - 
  From: Matt Wilson 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:44 PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles


  Hi all,

  Reading Shawn's post today was interesting because I was going to post myself 
about a re-processing question.  

  I started making bio with 1 and 2 liter batches as per the instructions on 
Journey to Forever (thanks again for the great site!), and had moderate 
success, just like Shawn.  I would have a small emulsion layer, perhaps 
1/4-1/2 in the first wash.  Talking to some local biodieselistas here in New 
Mexico, they said go ahead and wash it, and if by the third wash it separates 
quickly and cleanly, it's probably alright. Well, I got curious and tried to 
reprocess a batch anyway as per the directions of JtF:

  If you have an emulsion any thicker than the normal paper thin interface 
layer between oil and water, the batch should be retreated. Retreat as with 
fresh oil, with the standard 3.5 g of lye per litre of oil but using only 100 
ml methanol per litre of oil.

  My batch separated out a bit more glycerin, but when when I went to wash it,

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The Ecologist)

2007-05-09 Thread Joe Street


Hi Dawie;

Yes the resonance is what I was getting at.  With a light wheel and a 
stiff spring it is possible to raise the resonant frequency high enough 
that normal disturbances encountered in driving do not come fast enough 
to cause resonance problems.  With low resonance points however there 
can be serious problems even when the input distirbance happens at a 
much higher rate.  Overtones can excite wicked sub harmonic resonances 
in mechanical structures.  One time I was driving a van over a washboard 
dirt road surface and I must have been driving at just the right speed 
so that the washboard bumps came at just the right intervals to be a 
harmonic of the fundamental resonance point of the front suspension.  So 
what happenend was that in a very short time the front suspension began 
pumping up and down ( This is on a flat road) at increasing amplitude 
until it was quite violent and I wonder if the wheels were coming off 
the ground!!  The suspension was driven to its stops in both directions 
for sure. Yeahhang on for your life.  A change of speed prevented it 
from repeating but it could be reproduced over the same stretch of road 
by driving at the right speed. Scary. Never happened since tho.


Joe

Dawie Coetzee wrote:

Contrary to popular belief the main problem with unsprung mass is not 
inertia-induced loss of grip over bumps. There are two other 
disadvantages. Firstly, the resonant frequency of the suspension is 
determined by the spring rates and sprung mass. Stiff springs carrying 
a light mass make for a high resonant frequency and therefore a harsh 
ride. The more unsprung mass one can convert to sprung mass, the lower 
the resonant frequency at any given spring rate, or the stiffer the 
springs one can use at any given resonant frequency. Secondly, weight 
transfer during lateral acceleration is the sum of weight transfers 
due to resistance of roll, centrifugal force applied at the roll 
centre, and centrifugal force applied at the cg of the unsprung mass. 
The less unsprung mass, the less centrifugal force acting on it, the 
less the weight transfer that is not susceptible to tuning by changing 
roll stiffness and/or roll centre positions.
 
-Dawie


- Original Message 
From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 6:40:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my Tank? (The 
Ecologist)


Problem with wheel motors is the mass.  It makes for poor handling 
because when the wheel encounters bumps or a sudden drop in road 
height it takes too long for the spring to push it back in contact 
with the pavement.  The suspension can only have so much preload with 
a given chassis weight.  Better to have a heavier chassis and very 
light weight suspension.  As always the rule is reduce moving mass. 
Doesn't matter if you are talking about pistons, valves or supension 
components, increasing the mass of the moving part is not a good 
idea.  The advantages of wheel motors are pretty sweet though, but 
overall I wonder how the vehicle would handle.


Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Interesting idea.  I only remember the CV transmissions from the 
subaru justy's, which had somewhat limited lifespan.


The idea of hub motors is apparently not new -- porsche was doing it 
in the 30's, and the hybrid military humvee-like-vehical prototype 
had them too.  google hub motor porshe, or hub motor humvee, for some 
interesting stuff -- unfortuneatly I couldn't find anything very 
technical on what the power to weight ratio was for them.


On 5/4/07, *Jason Katie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


what about the new(ish) continuous drive transmission toyota is
using? i'm not entirely sure five big magnet and/or coil sets
would be any less weight than a single front drive transmission.
there would have to be some colossal energy density to get small
enough motors tough enough move a car and yet fit inside the
wheel, (although it does make for some interesting controlled
braking possibilities, especially for cross country races).
 
on a side note:

is there any way to use CO2 pulled from the air for a
materials carbon supply?

- Original Message -
*From:* Zeke Yewdall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 9:49 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels Report: How Green is my
Tank? (The Ecologist)

2500 lbs seems a bit heavy.  My old pickup truck only weighs
in at 2,600 lbs, empty.   With fiberglass and carbon fiber,
it should be possible to make one that's closer to 1,500lbs
or less including engine, everything.   Wonder if it might be
less weight to do a series electric drive system and get rid
of the transmission entirely.  A high frequency high
efficiency generator

Re: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles

2007-05-09 Thread Joe Street


Hi Tom;

Excellent synopsis on 'how to do it right'.  Although this is the same 
information that is there on the journey to forever website and probably 
a hundred times over here on the forum, I wish there was a way to bold 
it in the archives or something.  The message should show up in red in 
my mailbox.


Thanks for taking the time to put it so succinctly.

Joe

Thomas Kelly wrote:


Hello to All,
 
 It is my impression that a thicker than paper thin middle layer 
in the wash test may not indicate an incomplete reaction, but rather 
excess soap production. This may be due to high FFA content in the WVO 
oil, water in the oil, water in the caustic, or in the methanol. It 
may even be due to too much caustic.
 For these reasons, and others, beginner's should start with small 
(1L) test batches using virgin oil, the highest quality chemicals,  
balances that allow accurate measurements.
 
 Much of the soap settles out with the glycerin, as does most of 
the caustic and excess methanol. Even after 12 or 24 hours of settling 
some of the soap, caustic and excess methanol is still in the 
biodiesel fraction. That's why we wash it. The amount that remains is 
related to the amount produced in the reaction.
 
 Using virgin oil eliminates not only the need to titrate, but 
also soap formed due to FFAs in the oil. Initial test batches with 
anything other than the paper thin middle layer (wash test) are 
unacceptable because it indicates either an incomplete reaction or 
excess soap. Given virgin oil, accurate measurements, and quality 
chemicals excess soap should not form.
 
 After success with small (1L) test batches using virgin oil, one 
may begin using WVO and eventually scale up to larger batches. This 
not only increases the volume of a potential disaster (Emulsions), but 
also increases the number of variables that must be considered when a 
problem arises.
 
 How do you know what is causing the problem?
 Become familiar with the methanol test (Quality Testing) 
described at JTF.
If there was an incomplete reaction and various glycerides remain in 
the biodiesel, they will remain undissolved in the methanol   a 
residue at the bottom; reprocessing is in order. If the entire sample 
of BD dissolves in the methanol, but the wash test resulted in a 
thicker than paper thin middle layer, the problem is soap formation. 
If using virgin oil, (or low titrating WVO) and too much soap forms, 
consider the presence of water or improper measurement/calculations.
 
Ex:
 During methanol recovery (from glycerin mix) one must 
consider water contamination in the distillate. Using the recovered 
methanol may result in a complete reaction with little soap (good 
methanol), complete reaction with more soap than expected (some water 
contamination), or incomplete reaction with a lot of soap (serious 
water contamination). 
 The more serious problems are invariably associated with last 
liters of methanol that were distilled. I have had a 
similar experience using the last gallons of methanol from a barrel. 
As the barrel empties, water in the air condenses   more water in 
final gallons.
 
 The wash test and the methanol quality tests are both valuable. 
 
 Towards the end of each reaction, I shut off the pump and draw 
off a sample of the mix, and then turn the pump back on. I let the mix 
settle for about 10 minutes and then do a solubility-in-methanol test 
on some of the BD fraction. If it passes, I pump the mix into my 
settling tank. If I'm making fuel for my car, and the BD fails the 
test, I'd add a bit more methoxide and continue processing. If I'm 
making fuel for my oil-fired boiler (larger batches; only 16% methanol 
vol/vol) a small residue of unreacted oil is acceptable. Testing this 
way saves the expense of time and resources involved in reprocessing.
 
 Prior to washing a batch I always do a wash test. If the batch 
passed the methanol test, but there is a thicker than paper thin 
middle layer I may let it settle longer, or put a few extra ml. of 
phosphoric acid in the first wash water.

Having passed the methanol test, I wouldn't consider reprocessing.
 
 Tom
 

- Original Message -


*From:* Matt Wilson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:44 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles

Hi all,

Reading Shawn's post today was interesting because I was going to
post myself about a re-processing question. 


I started making bio with 1 and 2 liter batches as per the
instructions on Journey to Forever (thanks again for the great
site!), and had moderate success, just like Shawn.  I would have a
small emulsion layer, perhaps 1/4-1/2 in the first wash.  Talking
to some local biodieselistas here in New Mexico, they said go
ahead and wash it, and

[Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

free market?
Kirk

Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices May 8 11:26
PM US/Eastern
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MERRILL, Wis. (AP) - A service station that offered discounted gas to
senior citizens and people supporting youth sports has been ordered by the
state to raise its prices. Center City BP owner Raj Bhandari has been offering
senior citizens a 2 cent per gallon price break and discount cards that let
sports boosters pay 3 cents less per gallon. But the state Department of
Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection says those deals are too good: They
violate Wisconsin's Unfair Sales Act, which requires stations to sell gas for
about 9.2 percent more than the wholesale price.
Bhandari said he received a letter from the state auditor in late April
saying the state would sue him if he did not raise his prices. The state could
penalize him for each discounted gallon he sold, with the fine determined by a
judge.
Bhandari, who bought the station in May 2006, said he worries customers will
think he stopped the discounts because he wants to make more money. About 10
percent of his customers had used the discount cards.
Dale Van Camp of Merrill said he bought a $50 card to support the local youth
hockey program. It would have saved him about $100 per year on gas, he said.
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread MK DuPree

Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for.  Consequently, laws 
are made to be broken.  Bhandari needs to show the copy of his letter from the 
Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, make a big stink out of this.  Get folks to 
beat their state reps over the head.  Could be a great marketing tool for 
Bhandari, help him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
stations.  This guy has been presented a gift horse.  Wonder if he's smart 
enough to cash in.  Mike DuPree
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kirk McLoren 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

  free market?
  Kirk

  Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices  

  May 8 11:26 PM US/Eastern

  View larger image

  MERRILL, Wis. (AP) - A service station that offered discounted gas to 
senior citizens and people supporting youth sports has been ordered by the 
state to raise its prices. Center City BP owner Raj Bhandari has been offering 
senior citizens a 2 cent per gallon price break and discount cards that let 
sports boosters pay 3 cents less per gallon. 
  But the state Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer 
Protection says those deals are too good: They violate Wisconsin's Unfair Sales 
Act, which requires stations to sell gas for about 9.2 percent more than the 
wholesale price. 
  Bhandari said he received a letter from the state auditor in late 
April saying the state would sue him if he did not raise his prices. The state 
could penalize him for each discounted gallon he sold, with the fine determined 
by a judge. 
  Bhandari, who bought the station in May 2006, said he worries 
customers will think he stopped the discounts because he wants to make more 
money. About 10 percent of his customers had used the discount cards. 
  Dale Van Camp of Merrill said he bought a $50 card to support the 
local youth hockey program. It would have saved him about $100 per year on gas, 
he said. 
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http://www.wausaudailyherald.com  

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Re: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles

Hi Joe,

 Thank you for the kind words  .  your timing couldn't have been better.

 The instructions were just as clear and readable when I started making BD. 
I can't imagine how I screwed up so much and so often. With patient help from 
list members even I met with success. It's hard to tell what phrase or bit of 
advise clears the fog for a given biodiesel newbie. I remember scaling up and 
then dealing with 100L of glop when Keith advised me to use the directions as a 
guide. Blasphemy!!! Follow directions to the letter I thought. That idea freed 
me. I had learned the process doing small test batches, graduated to WVO and 
was now beginning to scale up. I learned how to break emulsions, now it was 
time to learn how to avoid them. Tweak the temp, decrease the volume a bit, 
increase processing times. What a wonderful feeling of freedom.  My mistakes 
had taught me a lot.
 Do you remember wondering if you'd ever make BD that passed the methanol 
test? Tweaking based on an understanding of the process was the key.
 I only hope that my little synopsis helps someone who doesn't already 
know everything in it.

 Hey, good news. Just got a good price on barrels of methanol. 
 See that, a few kind words can turn someone's day around.

   Best to You,
 Tom

- Original Message - 
  From: Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles


  Hi Tom;

  Excellent synopsis on 'how to do it right'.  Although this is the same 
information that is there on the journey to forever website and probably a 
hundred times over here on the forum, I wish there was a way to bold it in the 
archives or something.  The message should show up in red in my mailbox.

  Thanks for taking the time to put it so succinctly.

  Joe

  Thomas Kelly wrote:

Hello to All,

 It is my impression that a thicker than paper thin middle layer in 
the wash test may not indicate an incomplete reaction, but rather excess soap 
production. This may be due to high FFA content in the WVO oil, water in the 
oil, water in the caustic, or in the methanol. It may even be due to too much 
caustic.
 For these reasons, and others, beginner's should start with small (1L) 
test batches using virgin oil, the highest quality chemicals,  balances that 
allow accurate measurements.

 Much of the soap settles out with the glycerin, as does most of the 
caustic and excess methanol. Even after 12 or 24 hours of settling some of the 
soap, caustic and excess methanol is still in the biodiesel fraction. That's 
why we wash it. The amount that remains is related to the amount produced in 
the reaction.

 Using virgin oil eliminates not only the need to titrate, but also 
soap formed due to FFAs in the oil. Initial test batches with anything other 
than the paper thin middle layer (wash test) are unacceptable because it 
indicates either an incomplete reaction or excess soap. Given virgin oil, 
accurate measurements, and quality chemicals excess soap should not form.

 After success with small (1L) test batches using virgin oil, one may 
begin using WVO and eventually scale up to larger batches. This not only 
increases the volume of a potential disaster (Emulsions), but also increases 
the number of variables that must be considered when a problem arises.

 How do you know what is causing the problem?
 Become familiar with the methanol test (Quality Testing) described at 
JTF. 
If there was an incomplete reaction and various glycerides remain in the 
biodiesel, they will remain undissolved in the methanol   a residue at 
the bottom; reprocessing is in order. If the entire sample of BD dissolves in 
the methanol, but the wash test resulted in a thicker than paper thin middle 
layer, the problem is soap formation. If using virgin oil, (or low titrating 
WVO) and too much soap forms, consider the presence of water or improper 
measurement/calculations.

Ex:
 During methanol recovery (from glycerin mix) one must consider water 
contamination in the distillate. Using the recovered methanol may result in a 
complete reaction with little soap (good methanol), complete reaction with more 
soap than expected (some water contamination), or incomplete reaction with a 
lot of soap (serious water contamination). 
 The more serious problems are invariably associated with last liters 
of methanol that were distilled. I have had a similar experience using the last 
gallons of methanol from a barrel. As the barrel empties, water in the air 
condenses   more water in final gallons. 

 The wash test and the methanol quality tests are both valuable. 

 Towards the end of each reaction, I shut off the pump and draw off a 
sample of the mix, and then turn the pump back on. I let the

[Biofuel] Put some Coco in your Car

2007-05-09 Thread Bruno M.



This news article is about Bougainville, an Island of Papua New
Guinea,
where all fuels has to be imported by ship.
So fuel is expensive, that makes coconut oil as SVO or BD quicker
economical feasible.
Grts
Bruno M.
FYI:
~~
Coconut oil powers island's cars 
By Phil Mercer BBC News, Sydney 
People on the island of Bougainville in Papua New Guinea have found
their 
own solution to high energy prices - the humble coconut. 
They are developing mini-refineries that produce a coconut oil that
can replace diesel. 
 From police officers to priests, the locals are powering up their
vehicles and generators with coco-fuel. 
Inquiries for the coconut power have come in from overseas, including
Iran and Europe. 
For years, the people of Bougainville have been dependent on expensive
fuel imported onto the island. 
Shortages have often caused many businesses in this part of Papua New
Guinea to grind to a halt. 
High energy costs have not helped either. 
Increasingly, locals are turning to a cheaper and far more sustainable
alternative to diesel. 
Coconut oil is being produced at a growing number of backyard refineries.

Matthias Horn, a German migrant and an engineer, operates one such
refinery. 
They sometimes refer to me as the Mad German because how can you do
that to your car... filling
it with some coconut juice that you normally fry your fish in, he
said. 
The coconut tree is a beautiful tree. Doesn't it sound good if you
really run your car
on something which falls off a tree and that's the good thing about it.

You run your car and it smells nice and it's environmentally friendly and
that's the main thing. 
Mr Horn said his work had attracted interest from Iran. 
Refineries like his also produce oils for cooking and cosmetics as well
as soap. 
Coconut power is not new in Bougainville. 
The island endured years of civil unrest in which thousands of people
were killed in a fight for independence in the 1990s. Dwindling supplies
of diesel forced islanders to look for alternatives and the coconut was
chosen. 
In peacetime, new technology is propelling this sweet-smelling industry
to greater heights. 
Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/6634221.stm
Published: 2007/05/08 09:43:39 GMT
© BBC MMVII
===





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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread Keith Addison

Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!

Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)

Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
Belgium 6.80
France 6.71
Germany 7.09
Italy 6.68
Netherlands 7.77
UK 7.07
US 3.18

Another source:

pence/litre
Austria 75
Belguim 95
Czech Rep 71.5
Denmark 92.2
Eire 74.5
Finland 89.4
France 85.2
Germany 90
Greece 65.7
Netherlands 100.3
Hungary 83.5
Italy 87.2
Luxembourg 76.5
Norway 94.8
Poland 79.5
Portugal 85.8
Spain 66.4
Sweden 82.1
Switzerland 72.1
United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
USA 37.5

Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other 
industrialised countries.

Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.

Best

Keith



Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for. 
Consequently, laws are made to be broken.  Bhandari needs to show 
the copy of his letter from the Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, 
make a big stink out of this.  Get folks to beat their state reps 
over the head.  Could be a great marketing tool for Bhandari, help 
him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
stations.  This guy has been presented a gift horse.  Wonder if he's 
smart enough to cash in.  Mike DuPree

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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren
To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

free market?
Kirk



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omsenior citizens and people supporting youth sports has been 
ordered by the state to raise its prices. Center City BP owner Raj 
Bhandari has been offering senior citizens a 2 cent per gallon price 
break and discount cards that let sports boosters pay 3 cents less 
per gallon.
But the 
http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22state+Department+of+Agriculture%22 
sid=breitbart.comstate Department of Agriculture, Trade and 
http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Consumer+Protection%22sid=breitba 
rt.comConsumer Protection says those deals are too good: They 
violate Wisconsin's Unfair Sales Act, which requires stations to 
sell gas for about 9.2 percent more than the wholesale price.
Bhandari said he received a letter from the state auditor in 
http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22late+April%22sid=breitbart.comla 
te April saying the state would sue him if he did not raise his 
prices. The state could penalize him for each discounted gallon he 
sold, with the fine determined by a judge.
Bhandari, who bought the station in May 2006, said he worries 
customers will think he stopped the discounts because he wants to 
make more money. About 10 percent of his customers had used the 
discount cards.
Dale Van Camp of Merrill said he bought a $50 card to support the 
local youth hockey program. It would have saved him about $100 per 
year on gas, he said.
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Re: [Biofuel] Jathropa oil Fatty Acid Distribution

2007-05-09 Thread Christopher Jacqueline Tan

Good day to all:

Does anyone have data on the fatty acid distribution of Jathropa oil? I
can't seem to find it on the net. Thanks.

Best regards,
Chris



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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

I'm surprised at you, Keith.  You're not very sympathetic.


  SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


  by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled 
http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm about their attitudes toward the 
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea. 
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make 
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing 
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan 
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass, 
take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of 
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve, 
and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the 
war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months 
old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I don't 
know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better, 
I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking 
about peak oil wasn't crazy.

For those who don't know, peak oil 
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html is the theory that the 
world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of 
it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would 
be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly 
expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be 
mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and 
death.

I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory, 
and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that

The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder 
how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will they 
still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a year? 
One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't want to 
talk about peak oil.



Keith Addison wrote:

Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!

Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)

Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
Belgium 6.80
France 6.71
Germany 7.09
Italy 6.68
Netherlands 7.77
UK 7.07
US 3.18

Another source:

pence/litre
Austria 75
Belguim 95
Czech Rep 71.5
Denmark 92.2
Eire 74.5
Finland 89.4
France 85.2
Germany 90
Greece 65.7
Netherlands 100.3
Hungary 83.5
Italy 87.2
Luxembourg 76.5
Norway 94.8
Poland 79.5
Portugal 85.8
Spain 66.4
Sweden 82.1
Switzerland 72.1
United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
USA 37.5

Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other 
industrialised countries.

Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.

Best

Keith



  

Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for. 
Consequently, laws are made to be broken.  Bhandari needs to show 
the copy of his letter from the Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, 
make a big stink out of this.  Get folks to beat their state reps 
over the head.  Could be a great marketing tool for Bhandari, help 
him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
stations.  This guy has been presented a gift horse.  Wonder if he's 
smart enough to cash in.  Mike DuPree

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren
To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

free market?
Kirk



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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread robert and benita rabello

Keith Addison wrote:

Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!
  


Indeed!  I just filled my tank yesterday and paid $1.29 per liter.  
I've heard other customers moaning about the prices, but I just shrug 
and said: It's still cheaper than water and milk!

I'd complain even less if the station owners and employees had a 
profit sharing agreement.  Spreading the wealth would be a good thing!

Now, if only I could figure out how to make methanol from all that 
waste wood laying around . . .

robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread robert and benita rabello

Mike Weaver wrote:

William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that
  


This sounds like most of the people in my family . . .

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could be that 
out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my neighborhood too.
  I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 year old 
and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
  Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to bed 
hungry.
  Disgusting toads.
   
  Kirk

Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.


SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled 
about their attitudes toward the 
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea. 
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make 
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing 
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan 
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass, 
take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of 
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve, 
and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the 
war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months 
old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I don't 
know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better, 
I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking 
about peak oil wasn't crazy.

For those who don't know, peak oil 
is the theory that the 
world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of 
it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would 
be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly 
expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be 
mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and 
death.

I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory, 
and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that

The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder 
how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will they 
still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a year? 
One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't want to 
talk about peak oil.



Keith Addison wrote:

Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!

Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)

Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
Belgium 6.80
France 6.71
Germany 7.09
Italy 6.68
Netherlands 7.77
UK 7.07
US 3.18

Another source:

pence/litre
Austria 75
Belguim 95
Czech Rep 71.5
Denmark 92.2
Eire 74.5
Finland 89.4
France 85.2
Germany 90
Greece 65.7
Netherlands 100.3
Hungary 83.5
Italy 87.2
Luxembourg 76.5
Norway 94.8
Poland 79.5
Portugal 85.8
Spain 66.4
Sweden 82.1
Switzerland 72.1
United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
USA 37.5

Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other 
industrialised countries.

Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.

Best

Keith



 

Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for. 
Consequently, laws are made to be broken. Bhandari needs to show 
the copy of his letter from the Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, 
make a big stink out of this. Get folks to beat their state reps 
over the head. Could be a great marketing tool for Bhandari, help 
him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
stations. This guy has been presented a gift horse. Wonder if he's 
smart enough to cash in. Mike DuPree

- Original Message -
From: Kirk McLoren
To: biofuel
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

free market?
Kirk



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[Biofuel] Unsplit Glycerin Washwater on Compost

Hello All,
 I use KOH as my caustic. I add a small amount of phosphoric acid (~1ml per 
L of WVO that was reacted)  in my first wash.
 Last year I experimented composting glycerin. Some of my compost piles got 
glycerine split from the cocktail while others got unsplit glycerin. For both I 
diluted the glycerine with well water. I sprinkled a roughly 50% glycerin : 50% 
water mix on the leaf layer of compost piles as I built them (layers of rotted 
manure, grass clippings, and dry leaves + a bit of agricultural limestone). I 
repeated the sprinkling when it came time to turn them.
 The split glycerine may have had an edge in temp and quickness to warm, 
but both produced temps 10 -15 degrees F hotter than similar piles in which I 
only sprinkled water. 
 This year I have added water from the 1st and 2nd washes to unsplit 
glycerine instead of diluting it with well water. I used a pump to spray the 
mix onto the leaf layer. Results:
  24 hrs: had heated up
  48 hrs: too hot to keep my hand in
  72 hrs: temps of 68C and 69C and 70C (deep within the pile) ~155 -160F
 It is my impression that diluted glycerine (split or unsplit) not only 
composts well, but actually accelerates the process by enhancing microbial 
metabolism and probably population growth. 
   Tom

P.S.  Last year I made more compost than ever before. My garden was the best 
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

Oh, cripes, not you too!  Another Cassandra.

Just filling my Escalade costs 100.00.  I've had to cut back on my 
driving, which affects my lifestyle.
I'm really PO'ed at the government.  They never think of us little guys; 
I mean what am I supposed to do?
I have another 3 years payments on a car I can't afford to drive.

I had to borrow against my house to afford this car and now my ARM is 
adjusting too.  I hope
it doesn't come down to gas or a roof over my head.  I will not take the 
bus like my stupid loud-mouth
know it all brother in law who bought a junky looking used VW TDI and 
won't shut up about his mileage.
This is America, not some smart-car-infested Eurpean city full of skinny 
smokers blabbing about running on Biodiesel.

And besides, the local governments gas taxes are just wasted the money 
is spent on stupid things like schools and senior services.

Cheap gas forever!

-'Merika



Kirk McLoren wrote:

 The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could 
 be that out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my 
 neighborhood too.
 I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 year 
 old and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
 Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to 
 bed hungry.
 Disgusting toads.
  
 Kirk

 */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.


 SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


 by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

 Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
 about their attitudes toward the
 upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the
 idea.
 They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices,
 and make
 fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
 dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan
 Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

 I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their
 ass,
 take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of
 that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil
 reserve,
 and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the
 war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

 We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months
 old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I
 don't
 know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know
 better,
 I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking
 about peak oil wasn't crazy.

 For those who don't know, peak oil
 is the theory that the
 world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first
 half of
 it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half
 would
 be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly
 expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this
 could be
 mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine,
 pestilence and
 death.

 I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid
 theory,
 and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed.
 That's a
 bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get
 that
 idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals
 hate
 America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look
 for it.
 We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then,
 and
 it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so
 high, but
 I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After
 all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept
 responsibility for that

 The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder
 how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will
 they
 still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a
 year?
 One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't
 want to
 talk about peak oil.



 Keith Addison wrote:

 Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently
 $2.87 to
 $3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!
 
 Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)
 
 Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
 Belgium 6.80
 France 6.71
 Germany 7.09
 Italy 6.68
 Netherlands 7.77
 UK 7.07
 US 3.18
 
 Another source:
 
 pence/litre
 Austria 75
 Belguim 95
 Czech Rep 71.5
 Denmark 92.2
 Eire 74.5
 Finland 89.4
 France 85.2
 Germany 90
 Greece 65.7
 Netherlands 100.3
 Hungary 83.5
 Italy 87.2
 Luxembourg 76.5
 Norway 94.8

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

You're related to Rush Limberger?

robert and benita rabello wrote:

Mike Weaver wrote:

  

William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that
 




This sounds like most of the people in my family . . .

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The Edge of Justice
The Long Journey
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

How do you manage?
  I have reached the point in life where I dont suffer fools gladly.
  I am not out much though. Social gatherings with them was a PITA anyway.
   
  Kirk

robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mike Weaver wrote:

William bellowed. That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that
 


This sounds like most of the people in my family . . .

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[Biofuel] Gas prices - government hot air - making drivers fume

Tanks for nothing, D.C. bigs!

Gas prices - government hot air - making drivers fume

BY ADAM NICHOLS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, May 3rd 2007, 3:26 PM

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Sky-high gas prices have become a Memorial Day tradition, but this year
they're being pumped to the highest levels yet - and motorists have had
enough.

AAA is warning that New York's record high average of $3.35 a gallon -
charged following Hurricane Katrina - could be topped in time for
America's busiest traveling weekend.

And drivers don't see the spike ending on Memorial Day, according to a
survey.

It found 72% of motorists expect to be paying more than $3.50 a gallon
in the next few months, 83% suspect illegal price gouging - and the huge
majority want it stopped.

Americans are fed up with skyrocketing gasoline prices and they want
action, said Pam Solo, president of the Civil Society Institute, which
questioned more than 1,000 motorists.

These survey findings should send a real jolt through the corridors of
the White House and the halls of Congress, Solo said.

Researchers found drivers sick of dependence on Middle Eastern oil,
government reluctance to increase fuel efficiency requirements and oil
companies' empty promises about green energy.

And the more it hits them in the pocket, the madder drivers are getting.

We are told refineries have had problems with explosions, fires and
maintenance, and it's pushing up prices, said AAA's New York spokesman
Robert Sinclair.

But we haven't had any manmade or natural disasters. I certainly don't
think it can be as bad as the devastation Hurricane Katrina caused to
refineries, yet the prices are going higher, he said.

Motorists complained they were already planning to shorten Memorial Day
trips and are cutting back on spending to budget for higher costs at the
pump.

But Sinclair said drivers have to take some of the blame.

Of course oil companies have their hand in this, he said. But a large
part of this problem is that half the vehicles on the road are SUVs or
big minivans.

Americans, unfortunately, have a love affair with these big vehicles.
They push demand up, and that pushes up the price.

Mike Weaver wrote:

I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.

SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES

by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm about their attitudes toward the
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea.
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass,
take their gas. said Mr. Wellington, We have done the first part of
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve,
and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the
war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!

We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months
old, and loses that new feeling, added Mrs. Wellington but now I don't
know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better,
I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking
about peak oil wasn't crazy.

For those who don't know, peak oil
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html is the theory that the
world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of
it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would
be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly
expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be
mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and
death.

I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory,
and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. That's a
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it.
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but
I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept
responsibility for that

The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread Zeke Yewdall


On 5/9/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could be
that out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my
neighborhood too.
I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 year old
and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to bed
hungry.
Disgusting toads.

Kirk



H.  Scary people. I've seen the type though.  Our sales guy says I need
to get a new car because none of mine are presentable to clients.  By new,
he means something less than 8 or 10 years old. But I like my 17 year old VW
rabbit that runs on biodiesel or veggie oil.  I'd feel downright slimey
if any of my friends ever saw me driving a brand new SUV, sort of the same
way I'd feel if they saw me intentionally run over someones dog.  Though its
probably more like intentionally running over someones kid when you really
think about the global effects of SUV's
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

Going to be a lot of turmoil.
  Little or no public transportation and a lot of gas guzzlers are owned by the 
poor. EIther because thats all they could afford or with 8 kids need the room.
  Lots of them underpaid and employers think it is ok because they can get food 
stamps. After all we provide that with our taxes.
  I think I want to be in NZ as reality catches up with US. It is going to be 
shabby.
   
  Kirk

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!

Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)

Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
Belgium 6.80
France 6.71
Germany 7.09
Italy 6.68
Netherlands 7.77
UK 7.07
US 3.18

Another source:

pence/litre
Austria 75
Belguim 95
Czech Rep 71.5
Denmark 92.2
Eire 74.5
Finland 89.4
France 85.2
Germany 90
Greece 65.7
Netherlands 100.3
Hungary 83.5
Italy 87.2
Luxembourg 76.5
Norway 94.8
Poland 79.5
Portugal 85.8
Spain 66.4
Sweden 82.1
Switzerland 72.1
United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
USA 37.5

Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other 
industrialised countries.

Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.

Best

Keith



Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for. 
Consequently, laws are made to be broken. Bhandari needs to show 
the copy of his letter from the Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, 
make a big stink out of this. Get folks to beat their state reps 
over the head. Could be a great marketing tool for Bhandari, help 
him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
stations. This guy has been presented a gift horse. Wonder if he's 
smart enough to cash in. Mike DuPree

- Original Message -
From: Kirk McLoren
To: biofuel
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

free market?
Kirk



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 MERRILL, Wis. (AP) - A service station that offered discounted gas 
to 
omsenior citizens and people supporting youth sports has been 
ordered by the state to raise its prices. Center City BP owner Raj 
Bhandari has been offering senior citizens a 2 cent per gallon price 
break and discount cards that let sports boosters pay 3 cents less 
per gallon.
But the 
sid=breitbart.comstate Department of Agriculture, Trade and 
rt.comConsumer Protection says those deals are too good: They 
violate Wisconsin's Unfair Sales Act, which requires stations to 
sell gas for about 9.2 percent more than the wholesale price.
Bhandari said he received a letter from the state auditor in 
la 
te April saying the state would sue him if he did not raise his 
prices. The state could penalize him for each discounted gallon he 
sold, with the fine determined by a judge.
Bhandari, who bought the station in May 2006, said he worries 
customers will think he stopped the discounts because he wants to 
make more money. About 10 percent of his customers had used the 
discount cards.
Dale Van Camp of Merrill said he bought a $50 card to support the 
local youth hockey program. It would have saved him about $100 per 
year on gas, he said.
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Information from: Wausau Daily Herald, http://www.wausaudailyherald.com


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[Biofuel] Weed seeds and manure piles

Hello to All   
(But especailly anyone with dairy/cattle farming experience/knowledge)

 I'm surrounded by beautiful pastures with magnificent beef cattle grazing 
in them. When I first moved here more than 25 years ago it was a family-run 
dairy farm that surrounded me. Manure would be spread over fields that were to 
be planted in corn. I don't remember them spreading it on pasture land. Now it 
is all pasture land.
 I've been told that there are some weed seeds that not only survive 
animals' digestive tracts, but also survive composting in typical manure piles.
Spreading the manure on pastures contributes to pasture decline by spreading 
the problem species. 
 Following this logic, using manure as fertilizer leads to pasture decline 
and a more frequent cycle of spraying an herbicide (roundup?) and then 
re-seeding vs. hauling away the manure and applying commercial fertilizer.
 Pick your poison, so to speak.

 My interest is, first: Is this true (about the weed seeds surviving in 
manure piles)?   ..   manure contributing to pasture decline?

 Second: I've found that the unsplit glycerine diluted with wash water 
increases temps in my small compost piles. If the story of weed seed survival 
is true, would spraying the mix on the manure piles as they were being built 
raise their temps. enough to sanitize them of the problem weed seeds?

 To me rotted manure is gold for the garden. I hate to see it hauled away 
from a farm. 
   
   Commments would be appreciated
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

2007-05-09 Thread robert and benita rabello

Kirk McLoren wrote:

 How do you manage?
 I have reached the point in life where I dont suffer fools gladly.
 I am not out much though. Social gatherings with them was a PITA anyway.


I don't choose to whom I'm related.  We ascribe to the psychical 
distance theory of relationships among my family members.  In other 
words, the further apart we are, the better we get along!

   : - )

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
The Long Journey
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/


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Re: [Biofuel] Weed seeds and manure piles

2007-05-09 Thread Walker Bennett

A properly maintained and aerated compost pile will maintain a temperature of 
about 160F.  That's more than enough to kill weed seeds.
 


   
  Walker
  (Ben W. Gardner)
  Sedona, Az
  In The Beginning - ISBN:  1-4116-3848-4
Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 








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