[Biofuel] Fwd: [Flagstaff-Freecycle] OFFER: Used cooking oil for biodiesel
Anybody in the flagstaff/N. Arizona area? dbarnese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: dbarnese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:20:40 - Subject: [Flagstaff-Freecycle] OFFER: Used cooking oil for biodiesel Anybody out there making biodiesel? I have about fifteen gallons of used vegetable oil that I need to get rid of. I can't stand the thought of taking it to the dump. Let me know if you can use it. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos ==PLEASE REMEMBER = ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ QUICK GUIDE TO SUBJECT LINE FORMAT â KEYWORD, ITEM, LOCATION OFFER: item plus general location TAKEN: item. (TAKEN plus ppu [Pending Pickup] is acceptable.) WANTED: item RECEIVED: item Please don't use NEEDED, PENDING, FREE, PROMISED, PRAISE, etc! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Contact the group moderators: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+ Freecycle and the Freecycle logo are trademarks of The Freecycle Network in the United States and/or other countries. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 26 New Members 1 New Photos Visit Your Group Home Improvement on Yahoo! Groups Find tips tricks for doing it yourself. Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Best of Y! Groups Check out the best of what Yahoo! Groups has to offer. . __,_._,___ Walker Sedona, Az In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 Ad Astra - ISBN: 978-1847285188 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080312/1677b27f/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Neil Goatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug In the tank there is a filter that gets blocked easily Take it out and fuel problems will be where you can get to them The other is undo the bolt on top of the fuel filter pump the lift pump And see if you can get fuel then The worst case is put an electric fuel pump onto the lift pump and see if fuel is coming from the tank Hope this helps Neil One word of warning - those in-tank filters are there for a reason. I've had a car that I bought second hand have problems because someone previously decided that the in-tank filter was redundant and removed it. This was a VW, but the principle is the same. That filter is to keep big debris out of the lines. If you get a blockage somewhere in the middle of a steel fuel line under the car it's going to be MUCH harder to find and fix. This is experience talking. I did NOT have fun fighting that for a few months. It was hard to track down. It would partially block the fuel, but once it sat for 10 minutes it would then run again. Hard to find when it's working. Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] doubling the fuel economy of the Ford Escape
Sorry about the delay. Life kinda got busy and got away from me for a bit. I like the idea of a bike with a little booster IC engine. (fractional hp) Just enough to help so that it's easier to go up hills, and make long rides a little easier. An electric motor / battery can do that, too! The nice thing about the electric motor / battery that can't be done with internal combustion is that an electric motor CAN be set up for regeneration on long downhill runs. Yes, and once they manage to get further in ultracapacitor design I'll be interested. Heck, I'm interested now with a battery pack for around town commuting. I was envisioning something for medium-long distance as a replacement for a small 4 seater car. But if we just had safe bike paths here in the area I'd use them all the time. Instead it's a lot of big trucks on little country roads with hardly any shoulder. You take your life in your hands riding on there. Not something I would do very often by myself, but especially not with my son or wife. This is a problem ANYWHERE in the Northwest. I thought it was more of a problem all over the country. Not good planning, IMO. My diesel passes every test that our local DEQ offers. Without a problem. (Not including being plugged into the car computer since it doesn't have one.) In fact they told me that only ONE diesel ever failed and it was because it was too smoky. It sounds like all they're measuring is opacity. I think you're misunderstanding me because I'm not communicating properly. Your machine (and my truck, for that matter) could not pass the emissions and safety standards mandated for NEW cars and trucks. My Ranger still makes it through emissions testing without much trouble--which is remarkable given how much I've modified it--but wouldn't come close to meeting the requirements of a truck off the showroom floor. They measure HC, COx, and dilution, whatever that is. (I just had one checked a month ago and still have the paperwork.) The opacity is only checked if it's really smoky, I guess. It passes the allowed amounts by such a large margin that I'd expect it to pass most of the more stringent requirements. I know that in the past 5(?) years it's gotten way stricter with NOx, maybe, that I might not pass. But is there an onboard sensor that can check for that? Is that all an oxygen sensor is? Because the newer cars all they do is plug into the computer. I don't think the newer VW diesels have a sensor in the exhaust - at least I've never had to change one. So while my car might not pass, I don't think the margin would be much, or at all insurmountable. Gas engines are a different story. The Geo Metro I have no idea. As far as safety - I think it's safer than many of the large vehicles out there. No, it doesn't have air bags, but I find that more of a feature, not a defect. We ALWAYS buckle our seat belts. The crash standards are tougher now. My Camry has SEVEN air bags, and most of the modern mid-sized vehicles are similarly equipped. Yes, but air bags are a passive restraint. They're there for those who don't bother wearing seatbelts, and can cause more damage than the accident to those already wearing the seatbelts. (Note that I said 'can' not 'always do.' There are times when they help even people who are buckled in properly.) That is for the normal, frontal air bags. I don't know how the side air bags, or curtain air bags do compared to wearing a seat belt. An electric motor doesn't have the efficiency limitations of a heat engine. That alone is a huge step forward. Solve the fuel density issue, with respect to batteries, and the utilization efficiency jumps tremendously. I look forward to the day, but for now it's kinda hard to make an electric with very much range. Yes, I LOVE the idea of an electric motor, and the advantages with respect to sizing the motor/torque/transmission. But there are still hurdles before it can replace the IC for anything beyond short trips. However, it makes NO SENSE to use energy more efficiently just so we can increase consumption. All talk of huge efficiency gains beyond the context of conservation only feeds the ravenous beast of unlimited growth. That's a dragon that must needs be slain! Absolutely!! My lack of knowledge combined with knowing that there are discoveries yet to be made is what prompted my comment of it being a possibility. So, can we expect to one day stand on the surface of the sun? We have to accept that there are some limitations in life. Even God can't make a mountain so big he's incapable of moving it! Yes, there are limitations, but today's limitations are not necessarily true of tomorrow. Can we expect to stand on the sun? I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't write it off completely. (Gasoline is cheap) Ok, I see a little what you're talking about. But what I was
[Biofuel] Southern Baptist leaders urge climate change action
Southern Baptist leaders urge climate change action Influential Southern Baptist leaders are seeking to move the country's largest Protestant denomination - and one of its more conservative - beyond its skeptical stance on climate change to keep step with a growing 'green' awareness in the evangelical community. A call to action on the environment, released Monday by 46 pastors and institutional leaders, challenges Southern Baptists to be more proactive ... more aggressive and more informed, says Daniel Akin, president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C. http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_53.php Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pollution Is Called a Byproduct of a 'Clean' Fuel
Hi Olivier This is big business. There's a lot of money involved. Small is beautifuel, said Pagandai. Big is agrofuel, not beautifuel. I have a niggling feeling that 10 years from now, the environmentalists will be fighting the ethanol industry tooth and nail. Anything can be done badly, and I expect the ADM's of the world will be successful in turning a clean renewable resource into a dirty unsustainable one, said Steve Spence seven years ago (Biofuel list, 26 Jul 2001). Indeed - same goes for biodiesel. Maybe we should call it agrodiesel instead. Note that in the past the industrial guys have accused backyarders of sewering the by-product, based on sheer prejudice and no evidence. Best Keith http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/us/11biofuel.html?pagewanted=all March 11, 2008 Pollution Is Called a Byproduct of a 'Clean' Fuel By BRENDA GOODMAN MOUNDVILLE, Ala. - After residents of the Riverbend Farms subdivision noticed that an oily, fetid substance had begun fouling the Black Warrior River, which runs through their backyards, Mark Storey, a retired petroleum plant worker, hopped into his boat to follow it upstream to its source. It turned out to be an old chemical factory that had been converted into Alabama's first biodiesel plant, a refinery that intended to turn soybean oil into earth-friendly fuel. I'm all for the plant, Mr. Storey said. But I was really amazed that a plant like that would produce anything that could get into the river without taking the necessary precautions. But the oily sheen on the water returned again and again, and a laboratory analysis of a sample taken in March 2007 revealed that the ribbon of oil and grease being released by the plant - it resembled Italian salad dressing - was 450 times higher than permit levels typically allow, and that it had drifted at least two miles downstream. The spills, at the Alabama Biodiesel Corporation plant outside this city about 17 miles from Tuscaloosa, are similar to others that have come from biofuel plants in the Midwest. The discharges, which can be hazardous to birds and fish, have many people scratching their heads over the seeming incongruity of pollution from an industry that sells products with the promise of blue skies and clear streams. Ironic, isn't it? said Barbara Lynch, who supervises environmental compliance inspectors for the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. This is big business. There's a lot of money involved. Iowa leads the nation in biofuel production, with 42 ethanol and biodiesel refineries in production and 18 more plants under construction, according to the Renewable Fuels Association. In the summer of 2006, a Cargill biodiesel plant in Iowa Falls improperly disposed of 135,000 gallons of liquid oil and grease, which ran into a stream killing hundreds of fish. According to the National Biodiesel Board, a trade group, biodiesel is nontoxic, biodegradable and suitable for sensitive environments, but scientists say that position understates its potential environmental impact. They're really considered nontoxic, as you would expect, said Bruce P. Hollebone, a researcher with Environment Canada in Ottawa and one of the world's leading experts on the environmental impact of vegetable oil and glycerin spills. You can eat the stuff, after all, Mr. Hollebone said. But as with most organic materials, oil and glycerin deplete the oxygen content of water very quickly, and that will suffocate fish and other organisms. And for birds, a vegetable oil spill is just as deadly as a crude oil spill. Other states have also felt the impact. Leanne Tippett Mosby, a deputy division director of environmental quality for the Missouri Department of Natural Resources, said she was warned a year ago by colleagues in other states that biodiesel producers were dumping glycerin, the main byproduct of biodiesel production, contaminated with methanol, another waste product that is classified as hazardous. Glycerin, an alcohol that is normally nontoxic, can be sold for secondary uses, but it must be cleaned first, a process that is expensive and complicated. Expanded production of biodiesel has flooded the market with excess glycerin, making it less cost-effective to clean and sell. Ms. Tippett Mosby did not have to wait long to see the problem. In October, an anonymous caller reported that a tanker truck was dumping milky white goop into Belle Fountain Ditch, one of the many man-made channels that drain Missouri's Bootheel region. That substance turned out to be glycerin from a biodiesel plant. In January, a grand jury indicted a Missouri businessman in the discharge, which killed at least 25,000 fish and wiped out the population of fat pocketbook mussels, an endangered species. Back in Alabama, Nelson Brooke of Black Warrior Riverkeeper, a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting and restoring the Black Warrior River and its tributaries, received a report in
Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an 'ex' Peak Oil believer
Hi Chip Interesting read, thanks - no need to say Sorry! This is what J. F. Kenney has to say about Thomas Gold plagiarising the Russian work: http://www.gasresources.net/Plagiarism(Overview).htm The attempted plagiarism by T. Gold of the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins. Kenney is a geophysicist who worked with the Russian academies, and still does. I think Engdahl probably got most of his information on abiotic oil from Kenney's website. There's a lot of information there: http://www.gasresources.net/ I must say it's more convincing than the Peak Oil crowd's attempted debunkings, mainly these two, the ones they seem to refer to most often: http://globalpublicmedia.com/richard_heinberg_on_abiotic_oil Richard Heinberg on Abiotic Oil http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100404_abiotic_oil.shtml Abiotic Oil: Science or Politics? by Ugo Bardi Weak. They seem to skirt the main issues, and diminish the sheer scope of the Russian effort, with the low regard you object to, and so do I. Heinberg: The Russians (I must remind the reader that I am actually talking about a minority even with the community of Russian geologists)... Or this, at another Peak Oil site: Author and economist F. William Engdahl has just made a surprising turnabout on peak oil. He now supports the idea of the abiotic origin of petroleum. He seems to be very influenced by the thinking of some Russian scientists. The abiotic theory is not widely accepted, to put it mildly, and is discounted in peak oil discussions. For background, see Richard Heinberg on Abiotic Oil. http://www.energybulletin.net/34863.html Engdahl and peak oil | EnergyBulletin.net | Peak Oil News Clearinghouse Some Russian scientists. They all do that, diminish it, it's a cheap tactic - why do they find it necessary if they're so sure of their ground? By contrast, Kenney says: The government of the Soviet Union initiated a 'Manhattan Project' type program, which was given the highest priority to study every aspect of petroleum, to determine its origins and how petroleum reserves are generated, and to ascertain what might be the most effective strategies for petroleum exploration. -- An introduction to the modern petroleum science, and to the Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins. - J. F. KENNEY http://www.gasresources.net/Introduction.htm The modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins is not the work of any one single man, - nor of a few men. The modern theory was developed by hundreds of scientists in the (now former) U.S.S.R., including many of the finest geologists, geochemists, geophysicists, and thermodynamicists of that country. There have now been more than two generations of geologists, geophysicists, chemists, and other scientists in the U.S.S.R. who have worked upon and contributed to the development of the modern theory. ... There have been more than four thousand articles published in the Soviet scientific journals, and many books, dealing with the modern theory. ... The modern Russian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins is no longer an item of academic debate among persons in university faculties in the former Soviet Union. This body of knowledge is now approximately a half century old and has moved considerably beyond the stages of academic research and scientific testing. Today the modern theory is applied as a useful tool and the guiding perspective in petroleum exploration throughout the former Soviet Union. -- Considerations about recent predictions of impending shortages of petroleum evaluated from the perspective of modern petroleum science. - J. F. Kenney http://www.gasresources.net/energy_resources.htm Heinberg et al somehow forget to mention that Russia has become an oil giant in the meantime, using the theory they sneer at. Meanwhile, William Engdahl says this: I think the peak oil question is a scam that is covertly being financed by Big Oil . Simply that people say, Well what can we do, we're running out of oil, so $75 a barrel, $30 a barrel four years ago, That's fate, we have to learn to live with it. http://www.ecoshock.org/downloads/energy/ES_Engdahl_Biofuels.mp3 William Engdahl on Biofuel Scam (18 min, audio) Actually I don't like Engdahl much either - useful, but he needs careful checking. He falls for Pimentel's bent data on the evils of ethanol, for instance, blames biofuels (agrofuels) for rising food prices (quoting Lester Brown), says global warming is faked science and hype by political interests. Greg Palast's a better read: http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2295/No_Peaking_The_Hubbert_Humbug No Peaking: The Hubbert Humbug What if everything you thought you knew about Peak Oil was wrong? By Greg Palast http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2297/Why_Palast_Is_Wrong Why Palast Is Wrong And why the oil companies don't want you to know it By Greg Palast But Palast doesn't say there's plenty
