Re: [Biofuel] The Plan to Kick Greece Out of the Eurozone
Keith, You may want to check out http://solari.com. This was Catherine Austin Fitt's brain child. Where she discusses the concept of a Solari. Briefly, its a 100k coop that agrees to do business exclusively internally (where goods and services permit). It's what's called placed based economics. Where the goal of the coop is to keep as much $ in the community as possible. This includes going after Gummint contracts, etc. You can sell to anyone. However, your purchases have to be as close to home as possible. After Catherine was chased out of DC by FedGov.Inc (note domain suffix) for busting big Bush and Clinton supporters for Soprano's style HUD fraud. She returned to her family home in Happy Valley, TN. Her neighbors asked if she could help them. They had a lot of unemployment and city services were expensive. They first thing she recommended is to start there one sanitation co. This employed people internally and reduced the cost of garbage pickup to everyone in the community. The pipe dream of Globalization (thanks to Bubba and Newt) is like a direct economic short. Where the money is siphoned out of your place at the expense of child and prison labor. This model has a totally open accounting system. Where all members are encouraged to keep track of all transactions posted on a private solari server. The model is quite open to fit the needs of the members. It includes issuing A and B stock shares. Where A shares can only be sold to the solari members. B shares can be sold to anyone. This much akin to the Mondragon Society in Spain. If just 10% of us shifted our purchases away from the Tape Worm economic model (WalMart, MSM, McDonalds, etc), it would effect FedGov.Inc's profits by 30%. Because, they count their profits thrice like Enron. Couple that by the sustainable community business / coop model and we have an extremely effective Gandhi style boycott. Regards, JQ (First Solari Member) On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:55 +0200, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/22-2 Published on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 by Alternet The Rise of the New Economy Movement Activists, theorists, organizations and ordinary citizens are rebuilding the American political-economic system from the ground up by Gar Alperovitz Just beneath the surface of traditional media attention, something vital has been gathering force and is about to explode into public consciousness. The New Economy Movement is a far-ranging coming together of organizations, projects, activists, theorists and ordinary citizens committed to rebuilding the American political-economic system from the ground up. The broad goal is democratized ownership of the economy for the 99 percent in an ecologically sustainable and participatory community-building fashion. The name of the game is practical work in the here and now-and a hands-on process that is also informed by big picture theory and in-depth knowledge. Thousands of real world projects -- from solar-powered businesses to worker-owned cooperatives and state-owned banks -- are underway across the country. Many are self-consciously understood as attempts to develop working prototypes in state and local laboratories of democracy that may be applied at regional and national scale when the right political moment occurs. The movement includes young and old, Occupy people, student activists, and what one older participant describes as thousands of people in their 60s from the '60s rolling up their sleeves to apply some of the lessons of an earlier movement. Explosion of Energy A powerful trend of hands-on activity includes a range of economic models that change both ownership and ecological outcomes. Co-ops, for instance, are very much on target-especially those which emphasize participation and green concerns. The Evergreen Cooperatives in a desperately poor, predominantly black neighborhood of Cleveland, Ohio are a leading example. They include a worker-owned solar installation and weatherization co-op; a state-of-the-art, industrial-scale commercial laundry in a LEED-Gold certified building that uses-and therefore has to heat-only around a third of the water of other laundries; and a soon-to-open large scale hydroponic greenhouse capable of producing three million head of lettuce and 300,000 pounds of herbs a year. Hospitals and universities in the area have agreed to use the co-ops' services, and several cities-including Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Washington, DC and Amarillo, Texas are now exploring similar efforts. Other models fit into what author Marjorie Kelly calls the generative economy--efforts that inherently nurture the community and respect the natural environment. Organic Valley is a cooperative dairy producer in based in Wisconsin with more than $700 million in revenue and nearly 1,700 farmer-owners. Upstream 21 Corporation is a socially responsible holding
Re: [Biofuel] Radiation being emitted from Fukushima is 70 million becquerels per hour - It is increasing - Up 12 million from last month .
This is the Radiation Network. It's a private network of radiation detectors.. This is the link to Japan.. http://www.radiationnetwork.com/Japan.htm Please note these detectors are privately owned and are operating at the owner's discretion. I've seen as many as six stations operating at once. If any unit exceeds 100 CPM the station will go RED. The closest to Fukushima is ~ 68 mi due North. It's station name is Miyagi.. Levels here have dropped of late. But, for that area, readings are still fluctuating into the high to mid 20 CPM (max) marks. This is an indoor unit. My best estimate is a CPM max should not exceed ~ 15- 17 CPM. During Mar - Aug, this station had an AVG of ~20 CPM with a MAX of ~37- 43 CPM. Not good. From what I can see, levels are down but still fluctuating. Of course that depends on where you are and how the wind / rain blows.. I'm in AZ (North Valley Phx) I've seen four instances of my pre Fukushima AVG of 20 CPM, going into the 21 CPM AVG range. My MAX was 41 CPM on a 21 CPM AVG high.. (window mount detector) Please note, due to all the dessicated granite in the Desert SW there is a higher ambient CPM level. Regards, JQ CC_13 Radiation Network On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 11:23 +1300, Bob Molloy wrote: http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2012/01/tepco-has-just-announced-r adiation.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120124/27799eed/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Too Big to Jail
Keith, At this time there are four AG's NY, DE, CA and NV that have decided not to go along the remaining State AG's and FedGov.Inc and give the Pin Striped Bandits a Get Out of Jail Free card and a ten cent on the dollar fine. Tomorrow is National Move your Money Day. Where everyone that has an account in the TARP banks will move their accounts to a local CU or small bank. If just ten percent of the TARP depositors would do this it will equal a 30% hit. Because the TOO BIG TO FAILs use Enron accounting and count their profits thrice. Catherine Austin Fitts did a tremendous interview on Max Keiser. She was the Asst Sec of HUD during Bush I and calls herself a recovering Republican. She has promulgated the Vote with Your Money movement for a decade as well as advocating Place Based economics, there by halting the direct economic short of Globalization. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=0vBpByXuECE My ENFORCEMENT ( a word never used in the MSM) dream team would be William K. Black, Eliot Spitzer and Eric Schneiderman AGNY, armed with RICO and Asset Forfeiture. All of these men actively pursued the Pin Striped Bandits for numerous crimes. Not all the the Sheriffs on Wall St. were asleep. Wow, imagine returning moneys and property to the victims? And serious jail time. Black actually jailed mortgage brokers in the 90's for slicing and dicing mortgages for CDO's and SIV's. So, there is a legal precedent. Regards, JQ On Sat, 2011-11-05 at 13:46 +0200, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/too-big-jail/1320414516 Too Big to Jail Wednesday 2 November 2011 by: Robert Scheer, Truthdig | Op-Ed Can we all agree that a $1 billion swindle represents a lot of money, and the fact that Citigroup agreed last week to pay a $285 million fine to settle SEC charges for misleading investors demonstrates a damning admission of culpability? So why has Robert Rubin, the onetime treasury secretary who went on to become Citigroup chairman during the time of the corporation's financial shenanigans, never been held accountable for this and other deep damage done to the U.S. economy on his watch? Rubin's tenure atop the world of high finance began when he was co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, before he became Bill Clinton's treasury secretary and pushed through the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act, an action that legalized the formation of Citigroup and other too big to fail banking conglomerates. Rubin's destructive impact on the economy in enabling these giant corporate banks to run amok was far greater than that of swindler Bernard Madoff, who sits in prison under a 150-year sentence while Rubin sits on the Harvard Board of Overseers, as chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and as a leader of the Brookings Institution's Hamilton Project. Rubin was rewarded for his efforts on behalf of Citigroup with a top job as chairman of the bank's executive committee and at least $126 million in compensation. That was compensation for steering the bank to the point of a bankruptcy avoided only by a $45 billion taxpayer bailout and a further guarantee of $300 billion of the bank's toxic assets. Those toxic assets and other collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps were exempted from government regulation by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which Rubin helped design while he was treasury secretary and which was turned into law when Rubin protégé Lawrence Summers took over that Cabinet post. In arguing that the derivatives market in housing mortgages and other debt obligations required no government oversight, Summers told Congress, First, the parties to these kinds of contracts are largely sophisticated financial institutions that would appear to be eminently capable of protecting themselves from fraud and counterparty insolvencies. ... Second, given the nature of the underlying assets-namely supplies of financial exchange and other financial instruments-there would seem to be little scope for market manipulation. ... Oops. One wonders if Summers, who went on to be president of Harvard after playing such a disastrous role in the federal government, ever asked his mentor Rubin what went wrong. After all, it was Rubin who was a honcho at the sophisticated financial institution of Citigroup when, as the Securities and Exchange Commission filing against the bank explains, Citigroup structured and marketed a $1 billion toxic asset to investors without disclosing that it was simultaneously betting against that asset. Back in January of 2008, knowing full well of the chicanery of his own bank and others with which he was quite familiar, Rubin nonetheless told an audience at Cooper Union in New York that the turmoil in the markets was all part of a cycle of periodic excess leading to periodic disruption. CNNMoney, reporting on his talk, noted that Rubin
Re: [Biofuel] Has BP Really Cleaned Up the Gulf Oil Spill?
TEPCO is running the show at Fukushima. BP ran the show during their disaster too. What happened to the Gummints? BP told EPA where to go when EPA told them to stop using Corexit. And TEPCO is being as transparent as BP was. Please note Ralph Nader's prophecies of doom at the hands of a global monopolies has come to pass. I'm here in Phx waiting for my Geiger counter kit to arrive. For I'm a former New Orleanian and we are going to have to save ourselves. Catherine Austin Fitts said The Federal Government no longer exists. There is just a group of corporations that tell Congress where to allocate resources. JQ Cave Creek, AZ First Solari Member. On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 14:36 +0200, Keith Addison wrote: Has BP Really Cleaned Up the Gulf Oil Spill? Officially, marine life is returning to normal in the Gulf of Mexico, but dead animals are still washing up on beaches - and one scientist believes the damage runs much deeper Published on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 by The Guardian/UK by Suzanne Goldenberg http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/04/13 Protesters Target BP Annual Meeting Published on Thursday, April 14, 2011 by The Guardian/UK by Tim Webb and Karen McVeigh http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/04/14-4 One Year After Gulf Oil Disaster, Significant Dangers Remain Unaddressed New Report Outlines 10 Much-needed Reforms to Protect People, Environment From Offshore Drilling April 14, 2011 CONTACT: Center for Biological Diversity Miyoko Sakashita, (415) 632-5308 http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/04/14-6 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110416/dc53ace5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar thermal industry set to boom
Let me chime in that the price of silver is going to be tough on solar PV production. It was $18 / oz in Aug and it's ~$31 for a 12 mos. high. There is ~ 2/3 oz of silver in flat plate PV. I am a big fan of solar thermal. I use to work for a large SW util Solar Test facility. I have (5) functioning 25kW Stirling Engines in my back yard. Solar thermal can be hybridized via another heat source. Let's say landfill, water treatment and or cow manure methane. You can then get 24 x 7 production, the Holy Grail of alternatives and use the sun as an alt fuel extender.. Plus, you don't have the heat performance degradation issues you have with PV in desert climes. Regards, JQ On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 03:14 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.grist. org/article/2011-01-04-solar-thermal-industry-set-to-boom Solar thermal industry set to boom by Todd Woody 4 JAN 2011 The rapidly growing photovoltaic industry has spawned thousands of jobs for people who design, make, and install rooftop solar arrays for homes and businesses. But the smaller solar thermal business is also set to boom in the United States, according to a new government report [PDF]. Solar thermal products come in all sizes -- from rooftop panels that absorb the sun's rays to heat swimming pools and provide hot water for homes to huge mirror arrays that heat liquids to create steam to drive electricity-generating turbines at solar power plants. Employment in the solar thermal collector industry jumped 22 percent in 2009 from the previous year, said the report from the U.S. Energy Information Administration. The number of solar thermal companies increased by 19 percent. It's still a small industry, with revenues in 2009 reaching $96.7 million, a 19 percent spike from the previous year. At the same time, total shipments of solar thermal products fell nearly 19 percent. That's because swimming pool products accounted for 73 percent of the industry in '09. But that's poised to change, as developers are set to break ground on several large-scale solar thermal power plants in the desert Southwest this year. Those projects will deploy tens of thousands of mirrors, solar troughs, and other components. California alone in recent months has licensed solar thermal plants that would generate more than 4,000 megawatts of electricity -- that will heat a whole lotta swimming pools. German solar manufacturer Schott, for example, has built a solar thermal component factory in Arizona to supply projects in the Southwest, and other manufacturing facilities are planned for the region. The seeds of the coming boom can be found in the report's 2009 numbers. While Big Solar accounted for only about eight percent of the industry's shipments that year, it brought in a quarter of the revenue, a 435 percent spike from the previous year. Although 57 percent of solar thermal imports -- China was the No. 1 supplier -- were for the pool industry, components for solar thermal farms are likely to be manufactured domestically given their bulk. In other words, the hot jobs will be found here. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110105/1a1cc654/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar thermal industry set to boom
Joe, Stirlings aren't ready for prime time. They are still having seal and ring issues. However, I hope to have an update on some new units that may have that problem solved. The magic 10,000 hrs MTBF (diesel) rating is the goal. BTW that was with land fill gas not solar. That is another can of worms. Getting all 1000 C plus in the right place is not a trivial procedure. Typically, a Stirling working fluid is ~ 850 C. Things tend to melt and catch fire if you're not spot on. You can turn insulation material into glass with this kind of heat. Overall, a trough plant is the most bang for the buck. The older units are 40 + years now and are pretty bullet proof. Heat transfer / storage technologies from the nuke power side may hold promise for serious thermal storage at 1000 F temps. But, that too is not in production yet. In 2005 all PV mfg's cut the thickness of their cells in half. I have a friend that has older mono crystalline panels. They are twice as heavy as today's panels. However, none of these thinner celled panels have made it 25 years. PV panels are amazingly bullet proof. Weak panels appear under high stress conditions. So, if these thinner cell PV panels are going to have problems, they'll show up in the Desert SW first. There are a few promising small solar thermal units that are being tested (Stirlings / Turbines). I wouldn't touch any of them until they've run for five years with descent MTBF. Plus, with any alt energy system, demand a serious end to end guarantee. Also, solar thermal units are not fire and forget like PV. You would have to be a competent electro / mechanical type to own one. But, if you can do a valve job a car and wire a 220 VAC outlet, working on solar thermal would not be a stretch. But, the absolute best small alt eng solution is hydro. Small hydro rocks. Find a stream with some flow and you are set. On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:19 -0500, Joe Street wrote: There is a good and bad side to everything. I work in an alternative energy research facility. I use 250 kwh energy to turn 20 kg of polycrystaline silicon into a meter long monocrystal. The energy input to manufacturing solar panels is disgusting. This doesn't even count the energy used to purify the silicon before it can be grown into a monocrystal or the environmental impact of that process. The rest of the process is horribly wasteful of the precious purified silicon. However, at the end you have a product with essentially a 25 year guaranteed lifetime, most likely much more than that. What is the service life of a sterling engine? A wind or steam turbine? I think the key point here is that the way forward is to consider a multipicity of techniques. People I know who are doing this already on a small scale have a little solar PV, al little solar thermal (direct heating ) a small wind turbine, maybe a heat pump, maybe a woodstove, an outdoor garden, an indoor garden, etc etc. The sun doesn't always shine nor does the wind blow. Something needs to keep working when other things break down and are being maintained/fixed. People who did live sustainably where I do, in the past, did not rely solely on the buffalo, or the caribou, or fishing, or foraging, but relied on using what was available in its time of abundance. Probably we will have to follow a modernized version of this philosophy in order to survive. Joe James Quaid wrote: Let me chime in that the price of silver is going to be tough on solar PV production. It was $18 / oz in Aug and it's ~$31 for a 12 mos. high. There is ~ 2/3 oz of silver in flat plate PV. I am a big fan of solar thermal. I use to work for a large SW util Solar Test facility. I have (5) functioning 25kW Stirling Engines in my back yard. Solar thermal can be hybridized via another heat source. Let's say landfill, water treatment and or cow manure methane. You can then get 24 x 7 production, the Holy Grail of alternatives and use the sun as an alt fuel extender.. Plus, you don't have the heat performance degradation issues you have with PV in desert climes. Regards, JQ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110105/d6f61a78/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz
Re: [Biofuel] Solar thermal industry set to boom
Joe, The point I was trying to make is that solar thermal has it's challenges. If you're not familiar, Stirling Engines were used from 1817 until the advent of cheap gasoline. They were large and not very efficient. But, they were very sustainable. There was the ST-5 http://www.stirling-tech.com/stirling/stirling.htm. This to my knowledge, it has never been mass produced. It started out in the States and was off-shored to India. Where it sits in a state of Limbo. This is the kind of technology that needs to be resurrected for farm, ranch, village power. If anyone knows of something in this range. Please let me know. There is a real need for a third world sustainable solar thermal / external combustion gen-sets that are in the 3 - 25 kW range. I'm a big fan of smaller and decentralized power production. The seduction of utility scale anything comes with huge $ costs for construction / operations and maintenance. If two guys in a pick up can't fix it then it's not going to be third world ready. Don't get me wrong, I applaud any and all sustainable alt energy power production. But, in the utility arena, large complex systems, tracking, etc., can be a huge additional maintenance cost. This is where alternative energy solutions get bad reputations. Roof tops PV installations proved they were more cost effective than large hydraulically driven single axis util systems. I would love to get my hands on a power tower in the 25 / 55 kW range. I have friends working on such projects large and small. Will let you know if they are successful. Warm Regards, JQ On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:45 -0500, Joe Street wrote: Hi James When I pull a silicon crystal the melt is sitting at ~1450 deg C so I have some feel for the problems you are hinting at without ever having touched a stirling engine. The point I was going for was that diversity is key. One of my friends who is off grid has no problem producing more energy (in different forms) at different times than he needs, but what is really needed is a good all purpose storage system so that the production peaks and valleys can be leveled out versus usage peaks and valleys. One also needs to consider the options for usage. For example there are more options for the usage and storage of energy in an electrical form than thermal although I cannot ignore that nature found the most parsimony in the humble carbon bond. Electricity when used wisely offers high efficiency as well but in terms of solar conversion thermal is king. It will be a long time indeed before we hit a quantum efficiency in PV anywhere near 60% I think although nanomaterials look promising. One of the most interesting storage systems I have come across is the vanadium redox cell which has a virtually infinite shelf life with its zero self discharge characteristic. High current capability in both charge and discharge as well made it look very attractive for any non mobile usage scenario. A great BIG battery. I haven't heard much from VRB power systems lately so I assume there is a catch somewhere with that technology but it sure sounded promising when I studied it. Link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium_redox_battery If you have any reality to share on it I'd appreciate hearing. Things have also gone very quiet with solarmission and the solar updraft tower, I don't know if you are aware of that one here's a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower Both of these ideas address the load leveling issue although with the updraft tower I think it came as a pleasant surprise to its designers! Joe James Quaid wrote: Joe, Stirlings aren't ready for prime time. They are still having seal and ring issues. However, I hope to have an update on some new units that may have that problem solved. The magic 10,000 hrs MTBF (diesel) rating is the goal. BTW that was with land fill gas not solar. That is another can of worms. Getting all 1000 C plus in the right place is not a trivial procedure. Typically, a Stirling working fluid is ~ 850 C. Things tend to melt and catch fire if you're not spot on. You can turn insulation material into glass with this kind of heat. Overall, a trough plant is the most bang for the buck. The older units are 40 + years now and are pretty bullet proof. Heat transfer / storage technologies from the nuke power side may hold promise for serious thermal storage at 1000 F temps. But, that too is not in production yet. In 2005 all PV mfg's cut the thickness of their cells in half. I have a friend that has older mono crystalline panels. They are twice as heavy as today's panels. However, none of these thinner celled panels have made it 25 years. PV panels are amazingly bullet proof. Weak panels appear under high stress conditions. So, if these thinner cell PV panels are going to have
Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed
Has anyone ever used Moringa seed oil for biodiesel? Please see link for reference: http://www.treesforlife.org/our-work/our-initiatives/moringa We have found Moringa tolerates the desert heat well, grows very quickly, will flower in desert climes and handles saline water. Main problem is deer and rodents love it. It has to be grown in a cage if you have any wildlife in your area or it will disappear. The leaves also have a remarkable flavor. I am cultivating a small patch of jatropha (3 years). It grows well. But, it will not flower due to the dry desert heat. I plan to use it for it's medicinal value. Thanks, JQ Aridzona, US -Original Message- From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:14:20 +0100 Hello all. The Cuphea oil is similar to coconut oil with an iodine value of approx 17. This confirms its high content of saturated fatty acids, should as biodiesel create a nice cetane number. The catch could be the biodiesel final boiling point which should turn out scientifically lower that 350oC. Good or bad ? It would be nice to judge that from a report on the properties of Cuphea oil biodiesel. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuphea Oil seed Hi Tony It should be okay for biodiesel, it's been raising quite a lot of enthusiasm in the industry in the US, but maybe that just means it's better than soy. It's supposed to be similar to palm oil and coconut oil (high caprylic and lauric acid content), yet the cloud point is low, -9 to -10 deg C. I didn't find an Iodine Value for it though. HTH - best Keith Hello List, Has anyone used cuphea for bio-fuel? If yes, what were the results? Any additional information is appreciated. Thanks Tony Marzolino 3624 Wilson Creek Rd, Berkshire, NY 13736 http://www.marzfarm.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Causes of fuel injection pump failures
Erik, I had my 85 Jetta TDI injector pump rebuilt after it exhibited 20 - 30 min no start states. So, any fuel temp sensors should have been replaced.?? It now, starts and will run at idle. But, it bogs down whilst driving; as though there was a slight restriction in the fuel line. I'll check for the presence of a secondary fuel filter. Gentlemen, this has been very helpful. Thanks, JQ -Original Message- From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Causes of fuel injection pump failures Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:50:20 -0700 That sounds to me like it's starving for fuel. Whether the injection pump, or if it has a separate lift pump at fault or whether it would be a fuel filter, I don't know. There's also usually a small filter/sock in the fuel tank that often gets forgotten/neglected that can cause problems. I would suggest making SURE that the injection pump is getting good fuel before suspecting it, since it's such a spendy part. That problem also doesn't sound like an injection pump problem to me, but I don't claim expert status on them On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:16 AM, fox mulder[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for such a good information. I am saving this, as the text books would never tell you. The problem I am experiencing at the moment is that when i drive the jeep at speed for 15 o 20 min. the engine cuts off. Then after waiting for a 10 minutes it restarts. Then it cuts off in shorter time. Do you think replacing the injection pump would solve the problem? fox --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Roderick Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Roderick Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Causes of fuel injection pump failures To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, 29 July, 2009, 5:27 AM Hello , I am replying directly to Fox's injection pump failures, and from my experiences, First i would like to state that 99% of pump failures are from microscopic dirt both in bio-diesel and wvo. I am talking about dirt particles that pass through 1 and 2 micron filters. these tiny specs slowly increase the tolerances and gap within the gear pumps of common rail fuel systems and also polishes the pistons of inline mechanical pumps. The problem slowly creaps up on you after many hrs and miles, You may first notice hard starting only on warm engines, reason being the slow cranking speeds and low viscosity of hot fuel tend to bypass internally inside the pump creating a bypass situation. If the engine is switched over to pure petro diesel ( hot and thinner), the problem can even become worse for starting . Fuel becomes very thin and loses viscosity with heat. My suggestion is to centerfuge all home made fuel. This would give you the exact same cleanliness of petro diesel which has been also centrifuged. When I ran 75,000 litres of 1 micron filtered biodiesel through a 2006 common rail Cummins, I ended up with a slightly longer cranking time now after two years ( only noticable when the engine is hot), My fuel sample that i thought was perfect from washing and filtering showed up trace residual dirt after spinning it in a test centrefuge!! Definitly food for thought ehh? . Rod Roth Cranbrook BC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090728/80686b2c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] effect of biodiesel on injection pump
Fox, Interesting info. I had a similar problem using a combination of diesel and WVO in an 85 VW TDI Jetta. Where I would start it on diesel and switch to WVO after the engine was up to temp. It died at a red light one day and I had to have it towed. However an hour later it started right up. It was also hard to start if you had turned it off and the engine was warm. A 15 - 30 min wait and it would start. What temp sensor are you referring to?? Thanks. JQ -Original Message- From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] effect of biodiesel on injection pump Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:07:17 + (GMT) Dear All, I used 100% biodiesel in VW passat and jeep cherokee limited for the last few years. Prior to jeep I used it in passat. after three years, I found that the car would cut off and would not start. after waiting for 10 to 15 minutes it would start and go for a few miles, then it would cut off again. I paid a lot of money to have it diagnosed. They found that the injection pump and the temperature sensor need replacing. After using th biosiesel in jeep for two years, I am encountering exactly the same problem. Has anyone else experienced the same situation as me? If so, would you advise me as to what you have learnt. fox ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??
I'm off to investigate a an algae to oil operation in Phx. I work for a large SW US util that has produced biod from algae. And there appears to be an increasing number of algae to oil ventures springing up by the month. Here are a few.. http://www.algaeatwork.com/technology http://www.algaelink.com/distributors.htm http://www.originoil.com/originoil/originoil-home.html The big question is how efficient are the oil extraction methods.. Algae can also allegedly produce ethanol (75% oil / 25 % ethanol). And using the CO2 from biomass / biogas may have great promise for agricultural applications. What I find disturbing is that this alternative as well as most of the rest are antique. Examples are : * Jimmy Carter MIT algae oil 1979 * Stirling Engines Ford Phillips 1975 (modern high pressure / high temp incarnation) * Photovoltaics 1950's (HCPV is still under development; close but no cigar) * Geothermal 1920's one of Tesla's favorites * Wind * Solar Thermal AC..(ammonia / lithium bromide) 1974 There has not been a real break thru in alternatives in quite some time... Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: Hello James Doug, Here are a few links. I've driven an E250 van that ran on biodiesel made from algae oil.. Well that would be a first. It needs a little more detail please James, or a lot more detail. Considering that by all accounts there is no such thing as biodiesel from algae apart from a few lab samples and some pilot projects that never get any further, and zero production - but LOTS of hype! Please see the links in my reply to Doug. This process was revived by MIT and Jimmy Carter in 1979. In which John Benemann was one of the lead scientists, and he is completely sceptical. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70264.html And is the most bang for the alt energy buck anywhere.. http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/alg.html http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/12/arizona_public_.html Where is the production? Best Keith Regards, JQ doug wrote: Hi, I ran into a chap travelling around Australia extolling the virtues of running on SVO. He is to email me more details, but apparently there is a project in Australia involved with oil from Algae, aparently using CO2 feedstock from generation equipment. I googled to try to find more info, but only found foreign references from ~2005. Has anyone heard anything about this project? regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080427/1b28ff5b/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??
Doug, Here are a few links. I've driven an E250 van that ran on biodiesel made from algae oil.. This process was revived by MIT and Jimmy Carter in 1979. And is the most bang for the alt energy buck anywhere.. http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/alg.html http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/12/arizona_public_.html Regards, JQ doug wrote: Hi, I ran into a chap travelling around Australia extolling the virtues of running on SVO. He is to email me more details, but apparently there is a project in Australia involved with oil from Algae, aparently using CO2 feedstock from generation equipment. I googled to try to find more info, but only found foreign references from ~2005. Has anyone heard anything about this project? regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080426/bf12a845/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] license to carry used veg oil
The state and FedGov.Inc are making incredible sums due the current price of petrol via taxes. I'm not surprised that indirect fees and fines are now being imposed on the everyday biodiesel, SVO and WVO crowd. I'm sure more draconian measures are in the works. FedGov.Inc never saw a tax it did not like. How dare everyday citizens take the bull by the horns and declare their energy independence!! More bad news. I met a gent at the Clean Air Expo in Phx a few weeks ago. He was driving a Carl's Jr. WVO Cummings diesel. There were two other smaller franchises in his association that were planning to turn their WVO into biodiesel for sale at their gas station / restaurants locations in CA and AZ. My suggestion is to get contracts for your WVO supplies now. The days of free WVO are coming to an end. That's the main reason I am doing Jatropha cultivation experiments. Best of Luck, JQ Daymi Henegar wrote: Hello! I am from California. Have been making biodiesel for several months, and loving it. Only problem is that in order to obtain a license to carry used veggie oil (any amount), from restaurants, you have to spend $175 for the actual license (not bad); but in order to get the license you must show proof of insurance on a commercial vehicle with $1,000,000 minimum liability! This becomes pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get around this? Perhaps an AG license, since they are allowed to carry 100 gallons of diesel on the back of their trucks. It seems a bit ridiculous to me. Thanks We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Patented GMO jatropha
It's from Central America. The Portuguese and Arabs spread it all over world by the end of the 16th century. It was prized for soap and perfume production. The Southern US is it's northern most range. It's used for de-desertfication and it is inter cropped with food crops. So, third world farmers, reclaim farmland, use it a nitrogen fertilizer, make biodiesel and use the fuel for electrification and water pumping. See http://www.d1plc.com/index.php for more details. I've no idea what the GMO version will do, pro or con. Regards, JQ Joe Street wrote: Since that plant is not native to this continent will I have to get a permit from anyone to import the seeds? What is the procedure with that? Joe James Quaid wrote: I'd like to give you a recommendation. But, the last batch of seeds I purchased aren't sprouting too well. This may be due to the ground temps being below 70F. Jat likes 75 - 80F soil temps. Contact me in 3 weeks and I'll give you a status report. Has anyone else sprouted Jat successfully in the US? I'm at it's most nothern range 33 deg N lat. Regards, JQ Mike Cappiello wrote: please tell me how you aquired the seeds. thanks, Mike cappiello --- James Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I'm doing a Jatropha cultivation experiment in AZ. It survived the 115F. But the 24F killed a 1/3 of my test planting. It is very sensitive to a hard freeze. And according to what I've read, standard breeds will produce 300 gal/ acre 600 gal/acre if it blooms twice. Jatropha originally from Central America. I'd be very interested to see what the GMO stuff does especially in cold climes. I'm having a heckuva time sprouting seedlings. The current batch of seeds I have is from Suriname. We will be doing an acre test planting on a farm with saline wells. Jatropha can allegedly handle salt pretty well. Here's what the Germans are doing with it: http://www.d1plc.com Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-biodiesel1707apr17,0,4223949.story? track=mostemailedlink 'Farming our fuel' Officials from a local company will tout the jatropha plant today in Tallahassee. We're doing things right here in Orlando that are going to change America. Rich Mckay | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted April 17, 2007 ABOUT BIODIESEL What is it? Biodiesel is a fuel made from rendered vegetable oils or animal fats refined through a chemical reaction with an alcohol. What can be used to make it? Soybean oil is used to make most of the biodiesel in the U.S. Restaurant grease or any vegetable oil such as corn, canola, cottonseed, mustard oil also can be used. Jatropha oil is widely used in India and Asia. Other companies are developing ways to make biodiesel out of algae, restaurant scraps and even animal carcasses. Why bother? Biodiesel is considered an alternative to petroleum diesel because it can be grown, rather than pumped from a well. It is also considered a neutral gas. It doesn't put back into the atmosphere anything it didn't absorb when it was part of the environment. Is it as powerful as diesel? It is considered to have the same power as petroleum diesel. What engines can use it? It can be mixed with petroleum diesel and used in unmodified diesel engines. Engines can be modified to run 100 percent on biodiesel. What does biodiesel smell like? That depends its source. Some say it smells like french fries. Biodiesel made from jatropha doesn't have a strong odor. SOURCE: Sentinel research America, meet your next tank of gas -- made from superpowered seeds. A couple of Orlando entrepreneurs say that a Malaysian variety newly approved for U.S. import could help solve America's energy woes and boost Central Florida's economy with a new cash crop. State Agriculture Commissioner Charles Bronson, along with executives from the Orlando-based Xenerga Inc., are scheduled to introduce a patented version of the jatropha plant today in Tallahassee. We're doing things right here in Orlando that are going to change America, said Dave Jarrett, a company spokesman. Just wait and see. The oil pressed from the jatropha nut can be used to make biodiesel, producing six to eight times the amount of energy extracted from soybeans -- the most common crop used for biodiesel in the U.S. Xenerga president Jason Sayers and his business partner Victor Clewes have the exclusive patent on the high-octane version of the plant with seeds that grow inside bunches of fat green pods the size of peach pits. It can produce 1,600 gallons
Re: [Biofuel] Patented GMO jatropha
I'd like to give you a recommendation. But, the last batch of seeds I purchased aren't sprouting too well. This may be due to the ground temps being below 70F. Jat likes 75 - 80F soil temps. Contact me in 3 weeks and I'll give you a status report. Has anyone else sprouted Jat successfully in the US? I'm at it's most nothern range 33 deg N lat. Regards, JQ Mike Cappiello wrote: please tell me how you aquired the seeds. thanks, Mike cappiello --- James Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I'm doing a Jatropha cultivation experiment in AZ. It survived the 115F. But the 24F killed a 1/3 of my test planting. It is very sensitive to a hard freeze. And according to what I've read, standard breeds will produce 300 gal/ acre 600 gal/acre if it blooms twice. Jatropha originally from Central America. I'd be very interested to see what the GMO stuff does especially in cold climes. I'm having a heckuva time sprouting seedlings. The current batch of seeds I have is from Suriname. We will be doing an acre test planting on a farm with saline wells. Jatropha can allegedly handle salt pretty well. Here's what the Germans are doing with it: http://www.d1plc.com Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-biodiesel1707apr17,0,4223949.story? track=mostemailedlink 'Farming our fuel' Officials from a local company will tout the jatropha plant today in Tallahassee. We're doing things right here in Orlando that are going to change America. Rich Mckay | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted April 17, 2007 ABOUT BIODIESEL What is it? Biodiesel is a fuel made from rendered vegetable oils or animal fats refined through a chemical reaction with an alcohol. What can be used to make it? Soybean oil is used to make most of the biodiesel in the U.S. Restaurant grease or any vegetable oil such as corn, canola, cottonseed, mustard oil also can be used. Jatropha oil is widely used in India and Asia. Other companies are developing ways to make biodiesel out of algae, restaurant scraps and even animal carcasses. Why bother? Biodiesel is considered an alternative to petroleum diesel because it can be grown, rather than pumped from a well. It is also considered a neutral gas. It doesn't put back into the atmosphere anything it didn't absorb when it was part of the environment. Is it as powerful as diesel? It is considered to have the same power as petroleum diesel. What engines can use it? It can be mixed with petroleum diesel and used in unmodified diesel engines. Engines can be modified to run 100 percent on biodiesel. What does biodiesel smell like? That depends its source. Some say it smells like french fries. Biodiesel made from jatropha doesn't have a strong odor. SOURCE: Sentinel research America, meet your next tank of gas -- made from superpowered seeds. A couple of Orlando entrepreneurs say that a Malaysian variety newly approved for U.S. import could help solve America's energy woes and boost Central Florida's economy with a new cash crop. State Agriculture Commissioner Charles Bronson, along with executives from the Orlando-based Xenerga Inc., are scheduled to introduce a patented version of the jatropha plant today in Tallahassee. We're doing things right here in Orlando that are going to change America, said Dave Jarrett, a company spokesman. Just wait and see. The oil pressed from the jatropha nut can be used to make biodiesel, producing six to eight times the amount of energy extracted from soybeans -- the most common crop used for biodiesel in the U.S. Xenerga president Jason Sayers and his business partner Victor Clewes have the exclusive patent on the high-octane version of the plant with seeds that grow inside bunches of fat green pods the size of peach pits. It can produce 1,600 gallons of biodiesel per acre, compared with soy's 200 gallons, Sayers said. A Lake Wales farmer is ready to grow 5,000 acres of the genetically enhanced jatropha, Jarrett said. And unlike soy, which takes lots of tending, fertilizer and water, the jatropha plant can grow happily in arid soil, with little water and almost no tending. Think of it as farming our fuel, Sayers said. President Bush mandated that refineries should have renewable fuels blended into 7.5 billion gallons of the nation's fuel supply by 2012. Only about 75 million gallons of biodiesel were sold in the U.S. last year, compared with about 6 billion gallons
Re: [Biofuel] Patented GMO jatropha
Keith, I'm doing a Jatropha cultivation experiment in AZ. It survived the 115F. But the 24F killed a 1/3 of my test planting. It is very sensitive to a hard freeze. And according to what I've read, standard breeds will produce 300 gal/ acre 600 gal/acre if it blooms twice. Jatropha originally from Central America. I'd be very interested to see what the GMO stuff does especially in cold climes. I'm having a heckuva time sprouting seedlings. The current batch of seeds I have is from Suriname. We will be doing an acre test planting on a farm with saline wells. Jatropha can allegedly handle salt pretty well. Here's what the Germans are doing with it: http://www.d1plc.com Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-biodiesel1707apr17,0,4223949.story? track=mostemailedlink 'Farming our fuel' Officials from a local company will tout the jatropha plant today in Tallahassee. We're doing things right here in Orlando that are going to change America. Rich Mckay | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted April 17, 2007 ABOUT BIODIESEL What is it? Biodiesel is a fuel made from rendered vegetable oils or animal fats refined through a chemical reaction with an alcohol. What can be used to make it? Soybean oil is used to make most of the biodiesel in the U.S. Restaurant grease or any vegetable oil such as corn, canola, cottonseed, mustard oil also can be used. Jatropha oil is widely used in India and Asia. Other companies are developing ways to make biodiesel out of algae, restaurant scraps and even animal carcasses. Why bother? Biodiesel is considered an alternative to petroleum diesel because it can be grown, rather than pumped from a well. It is also considered a neutral gas. It doesn't put back into the atmosphere anything it didn't absorb when it was part of the environment. Is it as powerful as diesel? It is considered to have the same power as petroleum diesel. What engines can use it? It can be mixed with petroleum diesel and used in unmodified diesel engines. Engines can be modified to run 100 percent on biodiesel. What does biodiesel smell like? That depends its source. Some say it smells like french fries. Biodiesel made from jatropha doesn't have a strong odor. SOURCE: Sentinel research America, meet your next tank of gas -- made from superpowered seeds. A couple of Orlando entrepreneurs say that a Malaysian variety newly approved for U.S. import could help solve America's energy woes and boost Central Florida's economy with a new cash crop. State Agriculture Commissioner Charles Bronson, along with executives from the Orlando-based Xenerga Inc., are scheduled to introduce a patented version of the jatropha plant today in Tallahassee. We're doing things right here in Orlando that are going to change America, said Dave Jarrett, a company spokesman. Just wait and see. The oil pressed from the jatropha nut can be used to make biodiesel, producing six to eight times the amount of energy extracted from soybeans -- the most common crop used for biodiesel in the U.S. Xenerga president Jason Sayers and his business partner Victor Clewes have the exclusive patent on the high-octane version of the plant with seeds that grow inside bunches of fat green pods the size of peach pits. It can produce 1,600 gallons of biodiesel per acre, compared with soy's 200 gallons, Sayers said. A Lake Wales farmer is ready to grow 5,000 acres of the genetically enhanced jatropha, Jarrett said. And unlike soy, which takes lots of tending, fertilizer and water, the jatropha plant can grow happily in arid soil, with little water and almost no tending. Think of it as farming our fuel, Sayers said. President Bush mandated that refineries should have renewable fuels blended into 7.5 billion gallons of the nation's fuel supply by 2012. Only about 75 million gallons of biodiesel were sold in the U.S. last year, compared with about 6 billion gallons of petroleum diesel, according to the National Biodiesel Board, a trade organization. Biodiesel is huge in Europe and Asia, Sayers said. America is just now catching up. So Sayers and his associates are also launching a venture with Xenerga that will sell prefabricated mom-and-pop biodiesel refineries for about $2 million. Their plan is to sell turnkey operations, manufactured in Germany and shipped here, and promise a steady supply of raw materials and customers. They have contracts to build about 16 of the refineries. Each refinery, if running at capacity, can produce 5 million gallons of biodiesel a year. Jarrett said they already have a slew of inquiries and expect to have 100 refineries throughout the country up and running in 18 months. Besides the jatropha nut, his other sources will include a plentiful supply of restaurant grease. Through Sayers' other business, FiltaFry, which cleans restaurant fryers, he spotted a potential energy source in leftover grease. The National Biodiesel
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Algae - was Re: [wastewatts] Re: Nuclear Power
Here's a DOE report. http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/biodiesel_from_algae.pdf This reports sez that micro algae could produce quads (quadrillions) BTU's. Here's a bio diesel forum that alleges production of biodiesel from algae in ponds. http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3153 There is also an utility company that along with other alternatives has been successfully growing algae via coal fired exhaust gases. However, the budget has yet to be approved for actual biodiesel production. Algae yields have been very high. However, fast growth does not guarantee optimized oil production. Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:49:28 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wastewatts] Re: Nuclear Power Hello Bobby Has anybody yet produced any biodiesel from green algae so far? Real biodiesel, not just theoretical biodiesel or if-only biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Addison Geoffrey, You (and others) are invited to join my group on growing algae to produce oil. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oil_from_algae/join Be warned that we do not have a time-tested recipe for you to follow. We are trying to figure out how to do it. Bobby On 3/14/06, Geoffrey Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:29:03 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wastewatts] Re: Nuclear Power Hello Bobby Thanks for the reply. Keith, You have brought up something I am very suspicious about. The government ran a study for almost 20 years and spent millions of your and my money. Well, not my money, I'm not US. I know about the study though. A Look Back at the U.S. Department of Energy's Aquatic Species Program-Biodiesel from Algae July 1998 By John Sheehan Terri Dunahay John Benemann Paul Roessler Prepared for: U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Fuels Development http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24190.pdf When they got to the point where they could make bio-diesel, even if only in small quantities, they folded the research. I am suspicious that they knew all along that there was some fatal flaw in this idea and was just milking the research tap for a nice research project with nice salaries. Then when it got to the point that they could produce some real world results, they announced it was going to be too expensive. Sounds like it could be a convenient cover for gracefully getting out of a project that they knew could not work. Maybe, stranger things have happened. Other objections were land and water requirements, and that it would use GMO algae with little chance of containing them. I hope that is just my paranoia about the government wasting our money and now that diesel costs twice as much (almost), the idea is worthwhile again. It's interesting that you still doubt that, even after running your group for a year or two. The good news: A professor was grossing about not having the centrifuge that he needed to get the oil out of the algae. The VP of a bio-diesel producer said, "I will buy the centrifuge if I get the first liter of algae oil." The professor agreed. So we should soon have a test. He plans to run 1/2 liter as SVO and to process the other 1/2 as biodiesel and feed both 1/2s to his truck. So we should soon have a tentative answer. Good luck! As of right now though, biodiesel from algae is not something that exists. I guess you can see that's the answer I expected, though I'd've been quite happy if you'd said it does exist. Success to the professor. I've heard that before though, that results are just round the corner, but nothing has ever come of it so far. There've been quite a few attempts by members of the Biofuel list over the years but they've all failed. Or so I presume - great hopes at first, then silence. What I find a bit amazing is that so many people see biodiesel from algae as THE solution - it will replace our existing use of fossil fuels, and I suppose then we can all go on guzzling for evermore without a care, there's no threat to the good old daily fix after all, phew! See a headline saying something like "How much land is needed to replace fossil fuels used for transportation?" and you know you'll be reading about biodiesel from algae soon. These days you see similar headlines all the time. And there isn't any such thing as biodiesel from algae. Replacing fossil-fuels use isn't an option anyway, sad to say. Actually, no, I'm not very sad to say that. It's mostly just waste, after all. "How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take?" http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch Please don't think I'm getting at what you're doing, backyard DIY biodiesel from algae would surely be worthwhile, or even a couple of
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Algae - was Re: [wastewatts] Re: Nuclear Power
The algae production experiment done with coal fired exhaust has clean up stack emissions greatly. I will contact you if I see first hand biodiesel production. They just got their funding 3 mos. late. I'd been assisting the project with diesel genset selection. Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: Hello James Here's a DOE report. http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/biodiesel_from_algae.pdf This reports sez that micro algae could produce quads (quadrillions) BTU's. "Could". But don't. Not one BTU so far. Here's a bio diesel forum that alleges production of biodiesel from algae in ponds. http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3153 Marc Carduso of Ecogenics said similar things here at the Biofuel list a while back. He referred to photographs at his website which as far as we could see showed some duckweed and not much else. He was asked directly if he was producing oil from algae and didn't answer directly. He also had quite grand plans for making biodiesel and if you went to his website you'd think they were more than just plans, but that's all they were at the time, he was still struggling with his first test batches. I'm not saying he hasn't since produced biodiesel from algae but I wouldn't argue with your choice of the word "alleges". There is also an utility company that along with other alternatives has been successfully growing algae via coal fired exhaust gases. However, the budget has yet to be approved for actual biodiesel production. Algae yields have been very high. However, fast growth does not guarantee optimized oil production. Yes, announced in June last year with much glee from algae fans saying things like "Algae biodiesel is here!" But it isn't, is it? Not yet. And if it's going to take coal fired exhaust gases to feed the stuff I think I can live without it. Whatever, biodiesel from algae is not something that exists. Not yet. Not yet, not yet, not yet. I think you just read the first few lines of this post. If you'd gone a bit further before springing to the defence of algae you'd have seen that it's the DOE report you refer to that we're discussing, along with why the project was abandoned before it produced anything. And that Bobby Emory, who's been running a Yahoo group specifically on algae biodiesel for a couple of years now, says no biodiesel has yet been produced from algae, and he still has doubts that it will work. (But it's just around the corner.) Give it a read, it's still there. This has been going on for years now. People seem to fall in love with the idea of endless biodiesel from algae and seem quite undeterred by the fact that nobody's made any yet. Most peculiar, IMHO. Also it seems you're not allowed to say that or they think you're a bad guy who hates algae and you don't want to save the world. Well, I don't want to save SUVs, that's true, but I'm not a man who hates algae, nor indeed biodiesel made from it, if only there were such a thing, but there's not. I just said at Wastewatts that I'd support small-scale biodiesel from algae technology efforts because it could provide another option, not replace the existing options. The more options the better. I wonder though what algae might have to offer other than fabulously high yields which have never been demonstrated. After all, zero BTU in 30 years of searching is not a very high yield. But even if it turns out to be truly 15,000 gallons per acre or whatever, yields are not everything, they're not even important in some cases. Yield is just one aspect. By all accounts it's difficult stuff to handle, lots of people have tried, including right here, and nobody's managed it yet. If there turns out to be an easy way maybe there's an application in say inner-city areas maybe, but then that sounds a bit like the people who propose growing food for poor people in inner cities in indoor hydroponics farms, citing great yield data, but it turns out roof gardens and city gardens and city farms are a much better idea, for a lot of reasons, and they're very productive anyway. There's no magic bullet. Best Keith Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:49:28 +0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wastewatts] Re: Nuclear Power Hello Bobby Has anybody yet produced any biodiesel from green algae so far? Real biodiesel, not just theoretical biodiesel or if-only biodiesel. Best wishes Keith Addison Geoffrey, You (and others) are invited to join my group on growing algae to produce oil. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oil_from_algae/join Be warned that we do not have a time-tested recipe for you to follow. We are trying to figure out how to do it. Bobby On 3/14/06, Geoffrey Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip
Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!
Here are two links for non food production sources for biodiesel. Forgive me if these have been posted previously. http://www.d1plc.com Jatropha Curcas http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/biodiesel_from_algae.pdf Does anyone know a place where I can buy Mexican Jatrhopha Curcas?? Regards, JQ Kenji James Fuse wrote: Hi Mike, As I posted a few months ago, the environmental 'elite' are not the only ones crying wolf about biodiesel. The anarchist (and mostly excellent) indymedia.org [?] ran an article titled something like "Biodiesel will kill Thousands!" It made no mention of the fact that biodiesel is the perfect 'locally produced' fuel, and therefore a real tool towards social change against monopolistic forces. Instead, it only warned of future use of food land for corporate fuel production, which is a valid argument, but should be balanced with the progressive and positive attributes of biodiesel. Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- begin:vcard fn:James Quaid n:Quaid;James version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha / Toxic Properties / Micro Algae Link
I've read that jatropha is toxic only if taken in sufficient quantity, it is used as a purgative, contains lignites that can be used allegedly as an anti cancer treatment (jatropine), bark as raw material dye and leaves that can be used to feed silkworms. Not bad for a third world agro business crop. Micro algae is being used to clean up coal fired power stations. It grows very quickly and removes most of the contaminants from the exhaust. Please see: http://www.nrel.gov/publications/epubs0303.pdf for more info. I've also read that pressing the dried algae is the preferred method for extracting oil. But, what's done with the toxic remains aren't mentioned. Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: Hello JQ I think you're having probs with your mail scanner. Here's what Germany is doing with Jatropha Curcas. Please see: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.ecoworld.com" claiming to be http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.ecoworld.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.ecoworld.com" claiming to be http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367 and MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.d1plc.com" claiming to be http://www.d1plc.comMailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.d1plc.com" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.d1plc.com" claiming to be http://www.d1plc.com I've purchased Jatropha seeds and will be attempting to sprout them in the Spring. Waste fryer oil is becoming scarce. The two most sustainable biodiesel feed stocks are: 1. Micro algae 2. Jatropha Curcas. What a strange idea of sustainability, especially since nobody's actually been able to find any biodiesel made from micro-algae yet, other than all the pie-in-the-sky, and some reports from India and elsewhere on jatropha have been far fmk favourable. As Mike Weaver just said, "Iraq, Algae - it's all the same to me", and to me too pretty much. Whether invading Iraq or dreaming about algae yields, what's mostly a path of denial because of a drug-addiction problem (gotta guzzle) is unlikely to lead to a glorious future for evermore, which is what sustainable is supposed to mean. I'm beginning to think people either get it or they don't, and that if they don't they won't (or is it the other way round?), but there's this, once again: How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch Best wishes Keith Regards, JQ Cave Creek, Aridzona lres1 wrote: Hello all, Am in a bit of a quandary as to Jatropha nuts for Bio fuel. I have been advised that the non toxic variety of Jatropha found in Mexico produces no oil for relatively simple processing to bio fuel where that of the toxic variety yields oil. Fable or fallacy? Still have found no place to buy the Mexican seeds, is the above the reason why? Thank you to any one that can help make things fly here without long term damage to the environment but using such plants for land stability, the slowing of land erosion and river bank stability as well as for banks for rice terraces and hedges. How much silt does the Mekong river carry each year that could be reduced by such planting? Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Here's what Germany is doing with Jatropha Curcas. Please see: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.ecoworld.com" claiming to be http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367 and MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.d1plc.com" claiming to be http://www.d1plc.com I've purchased Jatropha seeds and will be attempting to sprout them in the Spring. Waste fryer oil is becoming scarce. The two most sustainable biodiesel feed stocks are: 1. Micro algae 2. Jatropha Curcas. Regards, JQ Cave Creek, Aridzona lres1 wrote: Hello all, Am in a bit of a quandary as to Jatropha nuts for Bio fuel. I have been advised thatthe non toxic variety of Jatropha found in Mexico produces no oil for relatively simple processing tobio fuel where that of the toxic variety yields oil. Fable or fallacy? Still have found no place to buy the Mexican seeds, isthe above the reason why? Thank you to any one that can help make things fly here without long term damage to the environment but using such plants for land stability, the slowing of land erosionand river bank stability as well as for banks for rice terraces and hedges. How much silt does the Mekong river carry each year that could be reduced by such planting? Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] converting to ethanol
Hello! I am in the process of rallying people in the Santa Ynez Valley area (above Santa Barbara, California) to start an ethanol co-op. I am planning on talking with some local wineries to see if they would be willing to participate, since ethanol can be made from waste wine. I would also like to get a biodiesel co-op going, but most people that I have talked with have gasoline guzzling type cars, not diesels. One of the main questions that I need to be able to answer is: How much does it cost to convert a car to run on ethanol? Do you have some info on this? I have looked at the article on your website on How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl Alcohol Use. Since I am not a mechanic, do you know of someone in this area (a mechanic) who knows about converting cars to using ethanol? Thanks! Patty Pagaling ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Ethanol and bio-diesel do not have the BTU content of fossil fuel. I'd use and older vehicle with a turbo-charger. I have a '74 Capri with a 2.8L engine with a turbo slated for my bio ethanol experiments. And I have an '80 Nissan SD22 diesel for my bio-ethanol experiments. Older vehicles also do not have all the computer driven controls. Which makes timing adjustments easier, when experimenting with variant grades of alternate fuel. Regards, JQ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] GE canola class action suit moves forward in Canada
Here's the gentleman from Canada who has been at the center of the GM controversy. He's been sacrificed on the alter of Monsanto's corporate power. Read it and weep. This 3rd generation farmer deserves all the support he can get. Regards, JQ Doug Younker wrote: Gee, When did scientific, social and political debate become not worthy as being a legitimate legal dispute? I'm no attorney but, I just hope the plaintiffs have current evidence that the GB has contaminated non-GM crops. With out that the lawsuit is already dead and with it a reasonable judge could , IMO should, find the case has merit and allow it to go forward. Doug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/01/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: vegetable oil small scale CHP
Goto the above link, copy in the web page you want translated into the textbox and hit the control button. And there is your translated page. Regards, JQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer Subject: vegetable oil small scale CHP From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:16:26 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi all, came across this unit for co-gen from biodiesl biogas looks good, any-one translate German? NET Neue Energie Technik GmbH Moosstrasse 195 A - 5020 SALZBURG Tel. +43 662 828 729 - 0 Fax +43 662 828 729 - 60 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neue-energie-technik.net don't die for dino, long life bio-fuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel / Cetane Addative?
boosting HP and helps with freezing. Regards, JQ Cave Creek, Aridzona Greg Harbican wrote: Needs to have 2 critical things addressed to be viable: 1)Flows well at sub-zero temps. 2)A BTU value as high or higher than the fossil fuel, that is currently used. I don't know of any BioFuel with those qualities. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 09:50 Subject: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel Does anyone know of any alternative or bio jet or plane fuel? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Sulfur Shuts 500 Shell, Texaco Stations / Solar Thermal Bio Production Question
This is my first post to the group. I'm originally from New Orleans. And they've been refining oil and gas there for several decades. This large bad batch getting out into Joe SixPack's gas tank is very unusual. I believe that the quality of oil will be getting worse. It is inevitable with the advent of peak oil www.peakoil.net I now live in the Phoenix area. I would like to do a solar thermal / pv electric, bio diesel production proof of concept. Is there anyone in the Phx / AZ area that would like make an attempt? I have a PV solar system for a 12 VDC supply (trolling motor circulation) at my home and a solar thermal dish to provide heat. I could handle a 55 gallon drum's worth for a conversion as a proof of concept. A la www.commonvison.org 's rolling bio-diesel demo that I saw here in Phx a couple of years ago. If this works I have associates who have 2 large 2 axial solar thermal dishes that are capable of delivering 80kW worth of raw solar energy onto a collector and actually powering a modest bio-diesel plant. My plan would be to build this plant on a landfill using the recovered methane to power the plant during times of no sun. This would be solar / bio-gas produced bio-diesel. /But, a feasibility study would have to be done to make sure that we are producing a net energy gain. An associate who was doing a Stirling Engine installation in China, told me that a Chinese bio gas production project failed. Because, it was discovered it took more energy to bring the manure to the bio-gas plant that it produced./ This would be a major project. If indeed all of the permits and numbers meshed, I envision a place based, bio-diesel coop style entity. But, this will happen if and only if there is enough interest and participation. There are apx. 100k gallons of waste French fry grease produced in Phx per day. Any thoughts? Regards, JQ murdoch wrote: Some lessons here for how a Big Oil Business reacts to inadvertent dissemination of a 'bad batch'? I don't know what the lesson is, only that I'm reading what's happening. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=509ncid=718e=8u=/ap/20040529/ap_on_bi_ge/sulfur_in_gas http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=509ncid=718e=8u=/ap/20040529/ap_on_bi_ge/sulfur_in_gas By ALAN SAYRE, AP Business Writer NEW ORLEANS - Just before the heavy-driving Memorial Day weekend, more than 500 Shell and Texaco stations in the South have stopped selling gasoline because of high sulfur levels that can ruin vehicle fuel gauges and make an empty tank appear full. The damage done by the bad gasoline could cause some drivers to run out of gas unexpectedly. Also, car owners may have to replace their fuel gauges -- a repair job that can easily cost $400 to $600. The tainted gasoline originated at the Motiva Enterprises refinery in Norco, La., according to Shell Oil Co. Motiva is the refining arm of Shell in the East and South. Motiva supplied the gasoline to both Shell and Texaco. The refinery said it is investigating how the high sulfur levels occurred. Sulfur is naturally present in crude oil; some of it is supposed to be removed during refining. As of Friday, 119 Shell and Texaco stations were closed in the New Orleans area, and 400 were not selling fuel in Florida, said Shell spokeswoman Helen Bow. The problem occurred at an especially bad time for gasoline stations, which had been expecting brisk sales, at high prices, ahead of the holiday weekend. The pumps have been off since Wednesday, said Sri Guntaka, a cashier at a Shell station in New Orleans. We've lost a lot of customers, hundreds of them. It's very bad. Gas tanks have a float ball that rises and falls with the fuel level. An electrical system reads the float ball's level and transmits the information to the dashboard fuel gauge. The system uses silver electrical contacts, which can be quickly corroded by sulfur. The problem came to light this week after drivers began complaining about inaccurate fuel gauge readings. Besides the New Orleans area, problem fuel turned up in shipments to Miami, Tampa, Sarasota and Fort Lauderdale, Shell said. Shell is replacing the gasoline at its stations. But Bow did not have an estimate of when all the stations would be pumping again. Don Redman, a spokesman for Louisiana AAA, said that before the shutdown was announced, he fielded several calls from the auto club's members complaining that their gas readings were way off. People have been looking at their odometers because of the high prices and saying, `Hey, wait a minute,' Redman said. Shell said it had received 1,800 queries and 825 claims from people who said their fuel gauges had been affected. Mark Hebert, who lives in Luling, said he filled up at a Shell station on Monday, and 200 miles of driving later, the gauge on his 2002 Impala still read full. I just know it has to be between a
Re: [biofuel] Methangas
Greetings All, This is my first post to this forum. I work for a large SW util in their Solar Research Center. Biogas from diary and landfills are a source of green credits for Electric Utils. Where some state utils (AZ for one) will, if you are qualified, help you get Federal Grant moneys and put in the grid tie interconnect for free and buy any excess power produced from the biogas plant. If you are lucky enough to live in a state with a forward thinking Electric Util, they are most interested in =1.2MW bio-gas generation stations especially those that are close to sub-stations. Pig manure is supposed to have the most methane content. To date internal combustion engines are the most bang for the buck. However, the high sulfur content will cause you to do 2 head jobs / yr and one total engine overhaul / yr. There are external combustion Stirlings being used in MI landfills. But, they do not have the efficiency of IC engines and have yet to prove as reliable as their IC counterparts. http://www.stmpower.com. The American Dairy Association has information on these Federal Bio-Gas grants. Please see the links below n http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/118624_manure22.html http://www.auri.org/news/ainjul01/05page.htm You should also be aware that there are EPA ramifications with any manure based venture and a waste digester would be a good investment to produce a cleaner grade of methane and containment for the raw product. Regards, JQ Cave Creek, AZ Appal Energy wrote: Friedrich, Diesels are often used with producer gas as the fuel (downdraft gasifiers) to run generators. They work well in that application, as the high compression compensates for the low energy value of the fuel. Methane has a pretty high energy value. It might be that the fuel to air ratio has to be tamed down (energy value) to the realm of producer gas to prevent damage to the motor. Here is a blurb from http://www.homepower.htmlplanet.com/solar-vs-diesel-generators.html Renewable Diesel? Diesel fuel is not the only fuel a diesel will run on. The addition of methane at the air intake allows the use of much less diesel, typically one third the normal fuel use, resulting in reduced cost and reduced pollution. The methane can be from the bio-gas output of a methane digester. Or the diesel can be entirely replaced by so-called bio-diesel -- reconditioned friar oil from the local fast food outlet. Here too, cost can be reduced and it is claimed that vegetable oils burn far cleaner than petroleum products. Depending on which variation of several processes are used to process the used cooking oil, a gallon of bio-diesel can be produced for as little as 50 cents per gallon. There is also this from http://www.sannet.gov/mwwd/initiatives/energy.shtml Point Loma Wastewater Treatment Plant Eight digesters at the Point Loma Wastewater Treatment Plant use heat and bacteria to break down the organic solids removed from wastewater, much as our stomachs digest food. One of the by-products of this biological process is methane gas. Methane, a colorless, odorless flammable hydrocarbon gas, is found almost anywhere that organic solids decompose in the absence of oxygen - in mines, marshes, landfills and digester tanks. This methane gas is collected from the digesters and is piped to the on-site Gas Utilization Facility (GUF). The methane fuels two continuously running generators that can each produce up to 2235 kilowatts of electricity (a total of approximately 4.5 megawatts). Using new technology under a grant from the California Energy Commission, a diesel powered generator is now able to also burn methane and produce an additional 1220 kilowatts (1.2 megawatts) as a peaking generator. Hope this helps. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Methangas My question is:can Methangas be a fuel for Dieselmotors and if yes,how would it work? I have a 100KVA Dieselgenerator,enough use for Electricity in my Woodshop (I produce Hi Energieefficient Windows there). A big Porkfarm is less than a Mile away from my Shop and i have large Storage Tanks availible. I am torn between Biofuel (collection of WVO is logistic costly) and Gengas (i got lots of woodshavings) but with Methangas i could bring Porkmanure to good use! Your Input is verry appreciated Fritz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/
