Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise
Sorry about being inacurate enough to get the engine sizewrong, I was writing from memory, I was actually quoting from a book that collected27 of the 50+ mechanic and newspaper reviews done on this guy's engine mod. The book reprint online can be found here: http://www.himacresearch.com/books/secret5.html Don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like his engine mod, talk to the mechanics that reviewed it, not me. He was granted a patent on it, but died about the same time, which is probably why we haven't seen an commercial development of it. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: robert luis rabello Date: 09/21/05 17:56:09 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise Trevon Kollars wrote: Actually, the Chevy 350 has three variants; Small Block, Big Block, and the Blue Print (which is really a 355). You're confusing horsepower and building technique with casting type. Go here for enlightenment: http://proformanceunlimited.com/chevystreet.html http://www.mortec.com/bbc.htm http://www.mortec.com/castnum.htm The "rumors" of the 200 mpg and such are somewhat true. Like someone can be "somewhat" pregnant? The small block 350 was able to run at 110 mpg on heated gasoline.The fuel was vaporized prior to entering the carb.The big block was able to run at around 80 mpg with the same apparatus.The problem was that the engines were not in a vehicle but in a test stand and actual numbers were not verified. If the numbers are not verified, they shouldn't be presented in this forum as factual. Smokey Yunick spent years working on a design and it was superseded by fuel injection which did the same thing but mechanically. No V 8 engine of 5 liters or greater displacement, fuel injected or not, comes CLOSE to the claim of 100 mpg in the real world.Don't dodge the bullet!And don't invoke the revered name of Smokey Yunick to support this kind of nonsense! The propane and methane work but do not have the energy of gasoline or diesel for that matter. This is what I said.What you missed is that fuel economy with a gaseous fuel is PROPORTIONAL to its energy content. The best vapor to use is atomized gas with an injection of hydrogen.This will give you the best burn in a NA engine. Oh no!Hydrogen! You can supercool the air in the cylinder but you don't want to cool the intake. You're writing to a "gearhead" who drives a fuel injected, supercharged and intercooled truck every day. Hope this inspired someone! Inspired someone to WHAT?You need to get your facts straight! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Australia isn't the only place it happens... It is also in the UK
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Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Hmm... I can't reach them today either. Just go to any nasa sight, and search for apollo pictures of the earth, then search for space shuttle pictures of the earth. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: des Date: 09/22/05 10:51:36 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post.is everyone else able to get to them?Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/ times out. doug swanson Jerry Eyers wrote: What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere, very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false.Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise
deserve from its context. Think about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Think about...hmmm... I'd better let you fill in the blanks or I'm liable to be assassinated myself. To return to Mr. Ogle and Secret 5, I read in the 1970s that Siemens in Germany had experimented with the heating of gasoline to get complete vapourization to enable operation on slightly lean mixtures with resultant improvements in efficiency (nothing like a fivefold increase in mileage though). I gathered that the efficiency improvement was useful, but aparently the system never went into production. I guess the problems of volumetric efficiency, weight and bulk, plus driveability were too much. I think myself that treatments involving raising the temperature of the fuel can be useful but that we will have to develop methods of injecting the fuel into the cylinder not far from top dead centre in the cycle; certainly after the intake valves close. When evaluating reports of engine efficiency improvements it's important to remember that for about 70 years we have been able to build gasoline engines running on knock-resistant fuels which have turned about 33% of the heat energy in the fuel into shaft horsepower, when operated at cruise at high BMEP (typically in aircraft). Operation in cars at low mixture density and low BMEP with throttling (pumping) losses, transmission losses, tire losses, etc.,can result in only about 10% of the fuel energy getting to the wheel/road interface - but that's another matter. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Jerry Eyers wrote: Sorry about being inacurate enough to get the engine size wrong, I was writing from memory,I was actually quoting from a book that collected 27 of the 50+ mechanic and newspaper reviews done on this guy's engine mod. The book reprint online can be found here: http://www.himacresearch.com/books/secret5.html Don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like his engine mod, talk to the mechanics that reviewed it, not me.He was granted a patent on it, but died about the same time, which is probably why we haven't seen an commercial development of it. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: robert luis rabello Date: 09/21/05 17:56:09 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise Trevon Kollars wrote: Actually, the Chevy 350 has three variants; Small Block, Big Block, and the Blue Print (which is really a 355). You're confusing horsepower and building technique with casting type. Go here for enlightenment: http://proformanceunlimited.com/chevystreet.html http://www.mortec.com/bbc.htm http://www.mortec.com/castnum.htm The "rumors" of the 200 mpg and such are somewhat true. Like someone can be "somewhat" pregnant? The small block 350 was able to run at 110 mpg on heated gasoline.The fuel was vaporized prior to entering the carb.The big block was able to run at around 80 mpg with the same apparatus.The problem was that the engines were not in a vehicle but in a test stand and actual numbers were not verified. If the numbers are not verified, they shouldn't be presented in this forum as factual. Smokey Yunick spent years working on a design and it was superseded by fuel injection which did the same thing but mechanically. No V 8 engine of 5 liters or greater displacement, fuel injected or not, comes CLOSE to the claim of 100 mpg in the real world.Don't dodge the bullet!And don't invoke the revered name of Smokey Yunick to support this kind of nonsense! The propane and methane work but do not have the energy of gasoline or diesel for that matter. This is what I said.What you missed is that fuel economy with a gaseous fuel is PROPORTIONAL to its energy content. The best vapor to use is atomized gas with an injection of hydrogen.This will give you the best burn in a NA engine. Oh no!Hydrogen! You can supercool the air in the cylinder but you don't want to cool the intake. You're writing to a "gearhead" who drives a fuel injected, supercharged and intercooled truck every day. Hope this inspired someone! Inspired someone to WHAT?You need to get your facts straight! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ kk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 . _
Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise
Not to knock everyone who has responded so far, but such items do exist, although I don't believe 300 has been achieved, but there are documented cases of big block 350's getting over 200mpg. I have done lots of research on this, and even have designed my own unit. The process involves replacing the standard carb with a vapor only carb (like a propane one) then pre-heating your fuel to a vapor,and feeding the vapor. The problems are that if not done careful, you end up with a very large rolling bomb, and you still need standard fuel to start the vehicle, unless you use direct heating (read that bomb again), and you need a sludge removal system to remove the additives. The result is much cleaner burn, much more efficient. That said, I don't know of ANY that have worked with diesel engines, only straight gas. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: Jeromie Reeves Date: 09/21/05 03:38:50 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise My wife came home from work today talking about Channel 7 news out of Boise. It seams they had a segment with a person who installed a WVO processor in there pick-up (at a cost of 3000$ USD) and got 300 MPG. They still needed to start the vehicle on dino. Can anyone shed some light on this as a Google search came back with less then nothing. I find it very hard to believe this is true (tho that never stopped the news before). Jeromie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere,very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
Hi All, Yeah, right. Someone ought to tell Mr. Limbaugh that Rita was a tropical storm two days ago. It's entered the Gulf and is now at Catagory 2. It's heading west now and will probably increase in ferocity in the next 24-36 hours. The water temperaturee in the gulf is still above 30C. Let's all burn more Dino since none of this is connected. Tom Well, technically speaking, he is right, there is no direct evidence, only circumstantial evidence. That said, however, there have been MANY convictions made on only circumstantial evidence!! All you really have to do is get into an airplane and try flying anywhere, and you will see the smokey crudd layer that exists over everything. Better yet, look at some space shots of the earth made by the space shuttle crews compaired to space shots made of the earth in the Apollo launches, and there is a BIG difference. Is it effecting weather?? Some say yes, some no. The current warming cycle (which is DEFINATELY happening) some say to be a normal heat cycle on a 26 year basis (some evidence for that) and that it will be followed by a cold cycle. There are arguments both ways, but nobody can argue against the murky-grey layer of crudd building up in the atmosphere! Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
Lot's of us lurking, but haven't tried it yet... :-) I know of at least five here in Greenville, SC. Jerry ---Original Message--- From: Bobby Clark Date: 09/15/05 10:29:58 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC Hello, Is there anyone out there that makes biodiesel in upstate SC or northeast Georgia? I am just starting to become interested in making biodiesel and I would really like to see the process first hand if possible. If there is no one, then wish me luck in becoming one of the firsts in my region to do this! I will have many questions, so I hope there are plenty out there that are willing to help. Thanks, Bobby Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.25/102 - Release Date: 9/14/2005 . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Have you ever worked for the federal government?Do you know the real Actually, yes. That is why I know what I know, and am amazed at times that the government can accomplish anything! :-) (*doh*) dedicated, intelligent and caring people (Democrats) took it to the And Republicans, I don't think this follows any "party" line, but rather a more conservative/liberal line, not party lines. There hasn't been a presi that has followed "party" lines for several election cycles. They chose to have no follow on plan in Iraq.It's eerily similar to NA. True. Their goal in Iraq was different than any other (like Afghanistan). In Afghanistan their goal was to topple the regime and the entire ruling body and replace it with a different one (not learn the lesson from Russia??) while in Iraq, the goal was to get one man, and minimize the collateral damage. They should have known that wasn't going to work. When they tried to arrange post war reconstructionist, they were blasted for trying to make their "constituents" wealth (remember a certain film) so they were gun-shy when it came to Iraq, and did nothing. Neither was a good approach. But, neither of these incidents have anything to do with N.O., nor the lack of response to N.O. That blame falls squarely on D.H.S., not the presi. He had (to his mind) placed those in position that were supposed to handle that kind of incident. His fault is that when he saw they were not doing their job, he should have stepped in and took command (i.e. job of commander and chief) and got the ball rolling. He didn't. That's where his fault is in this incident. Let's not spout political garbage and rhetoric that you hear in the media, let's look at the facts. He didn't respond to the incident when he saw that the folks he put in charge were not doing their job. That's his failure as a leader. It has nothing to do in this case with conservatism or lack there of, or any war anywhere, but rather a lack of good leadership with regard to this incident. Now,is this starting to show a pattern?? Possibly. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's conservatism
His letter shows that the people he was listening to were
NOT Christians, though they dressed themselves in the rhetoric
of such. Anyone who "claims" to be a Christian and does NOT
follow the first iota of Christian doctrine is NOT a Christian, no
matter what they claim or act out.
The first doctrine of Christendom is "Love". In fact, the
two creeds are (done a little research here) "Love your
God with all your heart, mind, and soul" and the second is
"Love your neighbor as yourself". Now, I don't care how
much someone "prays" at a table, or goes to some meeting
on a certain day, or goes through some set of rituals, if
they do not show those two in their "actions", then they are
not Christians, no matter what (the book they probably had
with them states that).
If you hear someone sitting on their duff and trying to place
blame, and they are not instead helping the victims by
any means possible to their disposal, then they are not
Christians.Christian doctrine also states that "you will know
them {Christians} by their love" in otherwords, when the
rubber meets the road, not garbage spew from talk.
I can claim to be a democrat all I want, but if I always vote
republican, then what does that make me? A democrat,
or a republican?
Jerry
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Re: [Biofuel] Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
This is such balloney. It is so easy to be an armchair quarterback. He needs to research his facts a little before spewing junk. The reason that FEMA couldn't respond, is because there is very little of FEMA left. It was put under the control of the "department of homeland security" which has spent two years cutting it's budget and siphoning off the cash into it's own projects. There was little response because there is little FEMA left to respond with. No one at DHS knows anything about repsonding to disasters and they had fired everyone who did. Result? Just look around. Besides, I have never seen anything intelligent come from Mr. Moore except this kind of headline-grabbing-attempt verbage. The problem is DHS and the funding for FEMA. Simple sollution... put the $ back where was supposed to be and for what it was intended, and get rid of the SS (oops, I mean HS). Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
Funny tidbit.BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year.You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it.How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. I say (and show on my books) thatI can get "X" to make and deliver to the station product "Y". But, the station can only sell product "Y" for "X-$0.05". Therefore, even though I know I made "X-$0.05", I state that I SHOULD have been able to make "X" since that was the stated cost. Therefore, I lost money. Typical business book-padding. You will find that padding at every step, and on every ingredient, step in the process, movement, etc. The way they pull that off is to have a "separate" company do each step, and sell the product to another of their companies (i.e. to themselves) but at a "fair market value" level (also set by themselves). That way, they can claim business loss on their taxes for each step and thus avoid paying taxes, but still have a large profit to pad their pocket with. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] What the state of Oregon, USA is doing about replacement fuels
Don't know if this has been mentioned here before, but the state of Oregon, USA has taken a different approach to replacing the gas tax, and off road fuel taxes with an alternative, since many people are now using hybrid and alternative fuels and they are losing so much money: This fall, about 250 drivers in the Eugene area will get their cars installed with global positioning devices to distinguish miles inside and outside Oregon. How far the vehicle travels instate will be recorded on a separate odometer and in an onboard computer, and when the driver stops to refuel, that information will be transmitted through the gas station's system to a central computer. The driver will pay 1.25 cents a mile - roughly the equivalent of what a vehicle with the state's average fuel efficiency would pay in gas tax. The per-mile tax will appear on the driver s gas bill instead of the per-gallon tax. Full article: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/11295714 htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
