[Biofuel] Test Batch Success......Thanks Keith

2006-08-31 Thread Marc DeGagne
Finally after many months of failed or mediocre wash test results I am 
achieving quick and clean separation of unwashed biodiesel(wvo) and 
water with a paper thin white layer, and all this as a result of the 
useful and encouraging information and instructions provided by JTF!  To 
any of you who are about to take on the task of making quality biodiesel 
pay attention to Keith's emphasis on taking one's time to learn the process.

I must relay and repeat how important accurate titration, quality 
catalyst, proper heat control, and proper agitation are for successful 
wvo test batches.  Regarding titration I started out with a good digital 
scale and pH meter, but poor volume measurement instruments(2ml 
eyedroppers) resulted in too much catalyst = failed wash test.  Free 1ml 
graduated syringes work beautifully.  Regarding catalyst, initially I 
purchased at a small department store a 3kg tub of lye that turned out 
to be poorly sealed resulting in = failed test batches.  Quality KOH 
measured out while in clear plastic bags has proved to work much 
better.  In the test batch processing department, I went through 2 leaky 
blenders before I put together a permanent system much like the one on 
JTF that relies on consistent heat and agitation.  Combined, these 
variables have inevitably led to complete reactions that are washed free 
from emulsions.  Now on to scaling up.

Thanks to Keith and anyone else that has contributed information on the 
JTF website.

Peace

Marc

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[Biofuel] Anhydrous potassium hydroxide(?)

2006-05-14 Thread Marc DeGagne




Hello all

 I recently purchased a 20kg bag of 90% flake KOH that, IF I
have my facts correct, has some conflicting information on the label. 
It says "Potassium hydroxide-anhydrous" followed by some safety info,
then at the bottom of the label it lists the contents of the bag as;
potassium hydroxide and water.  I thought anhydrous meant without
water.  I conducted a search online of the manufacturer to gather info
but nothing turned up.  In anyone's expert opinion is this something I
need to be concerned about?

Thanks 

Marc




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Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation

2006-04-19 Thread Marc DeGagne
 >9/11 happened before the "war on terror" 
...

Formerly known as the "cold war", or the "Vietnam war".  Empires will 
always have perceived enemies to attempt conquering.  Bobby if you have 
the time, clear your mind and watch this 3 part BBC documentary.  
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

Many people feel America's wars/invasions have an agenda that acts 
contrary to your reasoning of "sending a message".  One of your 
presidents warned against it in his farewell speech decades ago.  War is 
business.  Here is a link to an award winning American film on the 
subject.  http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/

Peace

Marc

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Re: [Biofuel] Cooking oil isn't just for diesels anymore

2006-01-20 Thread Marc DeGagne
As previously mentioned on this forum, vegetable oil is also being used 
as an insulator/dielectric in transformers and other electrical 
equipment utilized by energy utilities. 

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23224/
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34615/
(not sure if that is the proper way to post a link to the archives)

Marc

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[Biofuel] KOH cost discrepancies

2005-10-24 Thread Marc DeGagne
Hello folks

For those with experience in the.pricing out and purchasing of KOH, 
is it common place for one chemical company(Univar) to be selling 90% 
pure flake @ $2.78 per kg, and the next company(Anachemia) to be selling 
85% pure pellets(ACS certified) @ $28.50 per kg?

What prices are you fine homebrew folks paying?  In order to produce 
quality biodiesel, is it best to buy VERY expensive KOH? 

Any help appreciated.

Marc



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Re: [Biofuel] White LYE

2005-10-14 Thread Marc DeGagne
Hi folks

Whilst on the subject of lye..I recently purchased a 3kg 
container(hardware store), and my concern is the hard clump that I found 
upon opening the container for the first time.  I've used this lye 
successfully in several 1 litre test batches, but I'm not so sure about 
a 100litre batch. 

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Marc

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[Biofuel] "Stand-pipe" in processor or hold tank

2005-09-27 Thread Marc DeGagne
Hello Keith

I'm a bd amateur embarking on the construction of a 55gal drum 
processor(single-stage base method) and I like the idea of using a 
stand-pipe in the processor and hold tank in order to minimize mixing 
the by-product and biodiesel once its time for washing.  You have 
calculated your stand-pipe to access only the biodiesel layer, yes?  I 
understand that there is no set amount of by-product, but could the same 
system be implemented for a single-stage base method processor?  Could 
one take a chance on say, 30% by-product(just an example) and size the 
stand-pipe accordingly?

Thanks for any advice

Marc

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[Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home?

2005-07-07 Thread Marc DeGagne




Joe, Halkan

I as well have sensed the doom and gloom attitude from Suzuki, there is
no denying it.  But I think in recent years it has shifted to a more
positive approach of trying to make a difference by offering solutions.

I think "depend" was maybe the wrong choice of words to describe the
role salmon play in a bears life.  I was referring to the
population(percentage) of bears that reside on B.C's coast and islands
such as Haida Gwaii(small geographical area) that feed mainly on
salmon.  Below is a snippet of info taken from a parks Canada website
pointing out the importance of salmon in their diet.  The importance
lies in the timing of salmon runs that provide much needed fat for
their long hibernation.  In my opinion, if these salmon were extirpated
due to industrial logging, many of the bears would go hungry.

"Black bear· The most important source of food for bears in Haida Gwaii
is salmon. Bears can take from 45% to 80% of the total population of
chum, but the majority of salmon taken by bears are spawned out
females. Bears eat on average 13 salmon a day in Gwaii Haanas." 
http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/bc/gwaiihaanas/toile-web/toile-web3b_E.asp

The idea that clearcutting is beneficial to bears sounds similar to
someone arguing that oil development is beneficial for caribou.  In the
long run destroying a large mammals habitat WILL have a negative
impact.  More info below that addresses the short term benefits of
clearcuts.  

"The spirit
bear is threatened because much of its home range has already been
logged, and a good portion of the remainder is slated for the same
fate. While logging creates some short-term benefits for bears (for
example, one of bears' foods, berries, grow in clearcuts), the
long-term consequences of industrial logging are very serious. For
example, the loss of big trees that provide dens for bears means they
will not have adequate protection for hibernating through the wet, cold
winters, nor adequate protection from the storms that howl in from the
Pacific Ocean."
http://www.savespiritbear.org/project/spiritbear/about_bear/science_info.html#scientists


Take care 

Marc






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[Biofuel] Re: How many trees were killed to build your home ?

2005-07-06 Thread Marc DeGagne

Hi Joe

Possibly I am blinded by "fear mongering and misinformation" by folks 
like David Suzuki.  Could you please provide me with some examples and 
evidence of this misinformation.  Here is a link to the David Suzuki 
Foundation.. http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Forests/Solutions/ 

Maybe I have misunderstood your opinions, but there doesn't seem to 
exist much of a distinction between your views of current forestry 
practises and that of what David Suzuki preaches(which you do not 
like).  You cite clearcutting as a negative, selective logging as an 
ecologically sustainable method of harvesting, and protecting old growth 
forests as beneficial.  If you choose to use the provided link, you will 
find the same sentiments. 

"Clearcutting results in a more plentiful food supply for bears..." 
is not totally accurate.  What about the percentage of bears that depend 
on salmon for food?  As you previously pointed out, clearcutting causes 
soil erosion.   Sediment is washed into streams and rivers which results 
in disrupted salmon spawning grounds.  I would guess that this has a 
negative effect on bears that rely on salmon as a food source.  Possibly 
this could result in a bear attempting to break into someone's home for 
food. 

I certainly do not want to see all logging in our country put to and 
end.  Just a sustainable system put into place.  Of interest, which many 
are probably aware of, the Forest Stewardship Council provides/sets 
sustainable standards and practises that forestry product manufacturers 
can meet in order to meet FSC certification.  If you will be purchasing 
lumber in the future, investigate FSC's policies.  It may be a better 
option for you.   http://www.fsc.org/en/about


Peace

Marc








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[Biofuel] Salvaged ball valves

2005-06-13 Thread Marc DeGagne

Hello Keith

While perusing your site, I noticed you have implemented salvaged ball 
valves in your system.  I have salvaged several and was wondering if you 
cleaned them in any particular manner?


Thank you

Marc

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[Biofuel] RE: General Motors Layoffs(.....and everything else)

2005-06-11 Thread Marc DeGagne

Hi Keith

"Inherent human laziness and egoism are a woefully inadequate explanation for 
corporate predation"

Absolutely.  If I have somehow conveyed this through my words, I will 
work more carefully in the future to be more clear. 


"Whatever your intention, you didn't talk about "many aspects of human 
character"

My intention was to say that I think we are responsible for the poor 
decisions we make that may introduce negativity into our/others lives.  
I made the mistake of connecting this to the corporate issue.  I cited 
laziness and egoism as barriers of people taking responsibility for 
their own actions.  I don't think I needed to point out the many other 
inherent qualities that exist in people to express my opinion.


"Of course human laziness and egoism play a role, but it's essentially a secondary 
role"

Point taken.

"That's what my reply was all about."  

Thank you. 


"...hide behind the smokescreen and continue with what they see as "business as 
usual", to everybody's detriment."
"..and therefore the greater is the PR and message-massage factor, the more people 
tend to think this way, that it's human frailties that are to blame"

Pharmaceutical companies come to mind.  Shiny commercials with green 
glowing butterflies lit by the moon selling sleep deprivation relief in 
the form of a pill.  Pills pills pills.  No disrespect to folks who 
need pharmaceuticals, but to me it seems the industry is out of 
control.  If there existed more adverts directed at preventative 
maintenance, would there be an increase in healthy humans?  Therefore a 
decrease in pharmaceutical quarterly profits?  Where does the 
responsibility sit here, pharma giants for their persuasive ads, or 
people for believing they need a silver pill for a symptom?  ( I take no 
offence if someone picks this example apart).


"I'm interested to know whether you read some of the articles I linked in my 
response. Like these:"

Ah yes.  I had some time to skim through most.  More knowledge.

"And who is to be punished - the ad firms themselves or just a few individual 
employee scapegoats, as per usual?"

Thankfully one is THE head of a communication company in question. 


Some hope perhaps?
http://www.interfacesustainability.com/pdf/action.pdf

Take care

Marc





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[Biofuel] RE: General Motors Layoffs(.....and everything else)

2005-06-09 Thread Marc DeGagne

Hello Keith

In regards to the "hot coffee myth," I should have thoroughly researched 
before citing it as an example.  Having read the provided link, I see 
that responsibility was placed where it belonged.


I did not intend to convey the notion that corporations are human.  I do 
understand the "bottom line" pathological mentality of corporations, but 
still, I cannot help but wish it was balanced with some ethics.  If 
decision makers/shareholders were prosecuted for some of the serious 
crimes committed against humanity and the earth, maybe there would be 
second thoughts.  I do not see anything wrong with holding decision 
making individuals in a corporation accountable for wrongdoings. 

The Canadian government along with some private ad firms are currently 
involved in an inquiry to reveal the people responsible for millions in 
taxpayer money that was "given" with little discretion to government 
friendly ad firms to divert a separation of one of our provinces. So far 
three people face fraud charges, hopefully others to follow.  In your 
opinion is something wrong with this?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/

"I don't think it's a touchy word here."  Yikes, I was joking. 

"I think we've always known that, or at least some of us have."  Is this 
intended to say that I shouldn't have bothered to post this on the 
forum?  I was not my intention to quote/state it as if no one was aware 
of it.  I am simply re-educating myself(and anyone else who may be 
interested) in public.


"It's not inherent human laziness and egoism that prevents the 
essential creative self criticism and reconstruction from taking 
place, it's the disastrous disempowerment that's been a major and 
intended result of the industrial-duty "persuasion" that's been 
chucked at us since birth, and this view of inherent human 
selfishness and irresponsibility is a part of that. It keeps you 
blinded and helpless and looking in the wrong direction."


Thank you for the additional perspective.  But is it ok that I think 
human laziness and egoism DO play a role?  Is it ok that I think we have 
a part in the prevention of creative self critism and reconstruction?  
"I disagree" is not the same as "You're wrong."


"Of course with human nature you'll find what you set out to find-"  
Through travel, interaction, and observation I'm appreciative to have 
had the experience of seeing many aspects of human character.  As I am 
sure we all have.  I appreciate that you do not agree with my statement; 
"I think humans inherent laziness..", but please don't tell me that 
my intention is to only see the laziness and egoism in people. 

Putting forth one's opinions and having them scrutinized can always be a 
learning experience.  One I never hope to miss.
Now, I must continue the construction of my strawbale shed that will 
house my biodiesel processor.  I can't wait!


Peace

Marc





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[Biofuel] RE: General Motors Layoffs(.....and everything else)

2005-06-08 Thread Marc DeGagne

Gustl

"Are we that stupid?"
"What are we going to blame?"
"We have demonstrated an amazing capability for screwing up a good thing."

My sentiments exactly.

We certainly appear to live in an age of irresponsibility.  On a 
personal level this is exemplified by cases of individuals spilling 
coffee on themselves, resulting in filed lawsuits.  Parents that neglect 
their children and solely blame video games/music for violence that may 
follow.  This mindset obviously transcends the individual to the 
collective(whole nations, governments, and corporations etc) in which it 
takes on a very destructive role and effects us all.  Transnational 
corporations routinely failing to accept responsibility for lost 
lives(Union Carbide-Bhopal, India), damage to our ecosystem(too many 
depressing examples to point out), and lost jobs(GM etc, etc) are but a 
few examples of collective irresponsibility.  It seems no matter what 
the situation, people will always find someone or something to point a 
finger at.


In many scenarios, taking responsibility involves admitting one made a 
mistake or error in judgement.  Admitting to a mistake or error in 
judgement involves introspection.  This introspection will usually 
reveal a distortion in one's perception.  If the mistake is to not be 
repeated, a change must be made.  This all requires mental work.  I 
think humans inherent laziness and egoism prevents this creative self 
criticism and reconstruction from taking place. 

To roughly quote David Suzuki"its like we are all in a vehicle 
travelling at 1000miles/hour headed toward a brick wall, we are nearing 
the point where soon it will be too late to stop, and we're all arguing 
about who gets to sit at the front."  We have somehow acquired/been 
given this wonderful gift of consciousness who's potential has not even 
begun to reveal itself.  Through new technologies and traditional bodies 
of knowledge we are just beginning to see that this universe is one in 
which everything is interconnected.  If we could just clear our minds 
and get past the "ME, me, me, me, ME, me, me, me" voice that moves 
through our scattered thoughts like an endless train(which I'm sure 
helped us survive during the Neanderthal era), then maybe we'll begin to 
evolve(oh, touchy word here) in positive collective direction.  I do 
most certainly believe WE have the choice. 


Peace

Marc



  



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[Biofuel] Re: Canada reaches GHG emission agreement with automakers(bonus info)

2005-05-04 Thread Marc DeGagne




H cynicism comes to mind.  The last 2 institutions I would ever expect to do anything 
in regards to our GHG emissions(voluntarily at that) are our government and the auto 
industry.  The only remaining question, what WAS the agreement "signed" 
on..1 ply or 2?


http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns_and_Programs/Climate_Change/News_Releases/newsclimatechange04130501.asp


*Canada's climate change plan lacks teeth

**April 13, 2005*

*OTTAWA -* Canada's climate change plan lets big polluters off the hook 
and doesn't send a strong message to industry that our economy must 
become cleaner and more efficient to compete in the global marketplace, 
says the David Suzuki Foundation.




"The plan is incomplete and it has some major flaws, but at least we now 
have a plan," said Dale Marshall, the Suzuki Foundation's Ottawa-based 
policy analyst. "The government now needs to urgently move on emission 
reductions and 'learn by doing.'"




Released in Ottawa today, the federal government's plan lacks detailed 
targets and timelines and offers no criteria to measure success or failure.




"Ottawa is not sending industry the message that Kyoto will be good for 
business," said Mr. Marshall. "By bending over backwards to make targets 
for large polluting industries so low, the federal government puts a 
disproportionately large burden on Canadians. And industry still lacks 
the necessary push to modernize."




The Kyoto Protocol, which entered into force in February, requires 
Canada to cut its emissions by six per cent by 2010. Canada's industrial 
sector is responsible for close to 50 per cent of Canada's total 
greenhouse gas emissions, but the plan asks Canada's large industrial 
sector to cut greenhouse gas emissions by just 36 megatonnes. And even 
then, there will be almost no net decrease in emissions from heavy 
industry because their emissions are already 29 megatonnes above what 
was originally expected.




Even though individual Canadians are only responsible for about 28 per 
cent of Canada's emissions, they may end up being responsible for at 
least 74 per cent of emission reductions according to the current 
version of the plan.




"As it stands, instead of a one-tonne challenge, the federal government 
is now basically asking Canadians to shoulder a six-tonne burden," said 
Mr. Marshall. "That's obviously not fair. This plan needs some serious 
work if we to meet our Kyoto targets in an equitable manner that sets up 
our industries to be competitive in the 21st century."




Mr. Marshall points out that meeting Canada's Kyoto target is a huge 
opportunity to make Canada a cleaner, more efficient and more 
competitive nation.




"There are huge opportunities in the industrial sector to reduce 
emissions, create jobs and make money at the same time," he said. 
"Canada needs to strengthen its plan take advantage of them."




The Suzuki Foundation is calling on the federal government to strengthen 
the Kyoto plan by:


   * Establishing targets and timelines for each of the programs in the
 plan so the federal government can judge whether implementation is
 successful
   * Setting up a system of accountability and transparency: Canadians
 need to know what progress is being made on emissions reductions
 and whether we are on track to meet Kyoto or not. They also need
 to make sure that money is not being wasted anywhere
   * Creating higher, regulated - not voluntary - targets for large
 industry

*Read a **joint statement on Canada's climate change plan* 
* 
from leading Canadian environmental organizations*/./


// 

*Read the Suzuki Foundation's analysis 
 
of the plan.*




** 


*For more information, call:*

Dale Marshall  

Policy analyst, climate change program 

David Suzuki Foundation, Ottawa  


(819) 483-9890 or cell: (613) 302-9913



Morag Carter

Director, climate change program

David Suzuki Foundation, Vancouver

(604) 732-4228 or cell: (778) 386-144

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[Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth

2005-03-31 Thread Marc DeGagne


Wow, This information sounds SO drastic. I will imediatly build a 
time machine and return to a time when there was no offshore drilling in 
the Gulf of Mexico. The increased harvest of commercial fish that is now 
happening must be stopped. I will tell the People on their soap boxes 
that were saying death to the sea if we drill there that the narrow 
minded people of the future are here to help them stop the drilling. I 
will also buy a large supply of plugs and go around the world plugging 
the cracks in the earth that leak the equivalent of TWO Exxon Valdeese 
tankers of oil into the sea every day. I now see that this is killing 
the world.

Farmer Paul


A beautifully formulated response teeming with evidence to substantiate 
the notion that burning oil is a vital requirement for life to 
continue(if we were in the 5th grade).


I really don't think I should spend the 2 minutes it takes to research 
and acquire facts to refute your ridiculous testimony of, "oil, it does 
a body good".  But I will anyway.

http://www.offshore-environment.com/abandonment.html
http://www.healthygulf.org/fisheries/threats.htm

"In particular, observations in the Gulf of Mexico revealed a strong 
positive correlation between the amount of oil platforms, growing since 
the 1950s, and commercial fish catches in the region. It became one of 
the reasons to suggest the positive impact of offshore oil and gas 
developments on the fish populations and stock. Wide popularization of 
this fact led to the mass movement using the slogan "From rigs - to 
reefs" in the USA in the mid-1980s.
However, further analyses of the fishing situation in the Gulf of Mexico 
showed that the growth of the fish catch in this case was connected not 
with increasing the total stock and abundance of commercial species but 
with their redistribution due to the reef effect of the platforms. A 
critical point here was the use of static gear methods of fishing (e.g., 
lines and hooks) instead of trawl gears. Besides, the areas around the 
platforms became very popular places of recreational and sport fishing. 
This also made a significant contribution to the total catch 
volumes.."





"Pursuant to the Sustainable Fisheries Act of 1996, the National Marine 
Fisheries Service (NMFS ) must publish a 
Report to the United States Congress 
 
on the status of our nation's fisheries resources. This report assesses 
the condition of the 905 managed fish species in U.S. waters. Of these 
905 species, the report finds that 72 are being taken at a rate that 
this higher than can be sustained ("overfishing"), 92 are below a level 
that scientists consider healthy ("overfished"), and the status of 709 
species (78.3 percent) is unknown. Thus, for the species on which we 
have scientific information, about 50 percent are either undergoing 
overfishing, currently overfished, or approaching an overfished 
condition, meaning that they will become overfished in two years if no 
action is taken.
In the Gulf region, the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council 
 has 57 species under its direct management. 
Of these 57 species, over half of the species we have information for (6 
out of 10) are considered "overfished". This list includes red snapper 
, red 
grouper , 
red drum, Nassau grouper 
, 
goliath grouper 
 and 
greater amberjack 
. Gag grouper 
is considered "approaching an overfished condition." Furthermore, four 
out of eight species in the Gulf region are also subject to 
"overfishing". These include red 
 snapper 
, red grouper 
, gag 
grouper, and vermilion snapper. The majority of Gulf species (47) are 
considered of unknown status.
NMFS  also directly manages a number of 
species in the Gulf region including sharks, tuna, and billfish. Of 
these species, all of the billfish for which we have information are 
overfished, including blue marlin, white marlin, and sailfish. Three out 
of the four tuna species in the Gulf are overfished, including bigeye 
tuna, albacore and bluefin tuna. Finally, 16 out of the 22 shark species 
for which information is available are considered overfished. These 
include sandbar, blacktip, dusky, spinner, silky, bull, Caribbean reef, 
tiger, lemon, sand tiger, bigeye sand tiger, nurse, scalloped 
hammerhead, great hammerhead, whale, and white sharks. Thus, of th

[Biofuel] Re: A quest to ruin the Earth

2005-03-28 Thread Marc DeGagne



"Please do not Quote items form "THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS" I am one 
American
why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist.  Have 
you
ever seen the area to be used for oil development.  It is a vast frozen desert.  
Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou

when the Alaska pipe line was built.  We now have MORE Caribou than before the
pipeline. Don't  make such wild accusations.  They are beginning to sound like
background noise." FArmer Paul/


/


Heeere's some more "EXTREME hog wast" for ya, FArmer Paul, from the US 
Fish & Wildlife Service(surely they must be incompetent 
scientists/conservationists.as you so vehemently pointed out to us).

http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/ANWR/anwr_fws.htm

/"Although the population of caribou (Central Arctic herd) in the 
vicinity of North Slope oil fields increased in the early years of oil 
field development, the herd has declined since 1992. The Porcupine 
Caribou is expected to decrease in the face of 1002 Area development. 
There are fundamental differences between the calving areas of these two 
herds. In the case of the Central Arctic herd, there is a greater amount 
of alternative calving area available for displaced cows to move to 
because the mountains are much farther from the ocean. The 1002 Area is 
only one-fifth the size of the area used by the Central Arctic caribou 
herd, but six times as many caribou use the 1002 Area. In the Arctic 
Refuge, where the mountains are close to the coast, few alternative 
areas would be available for displaced cows. Therefore, development in 
the 1002 Area would result in: /


   * /reduction in the amount and quality of preferred forage available
 during and after calving, /
   * /restricted access to important coastal insect-relief habitats, /
   * /exposure of the herd to higher predation, and /
   * /alteration of an ancient migratory pattern, the effects of which
 we can not predict "/

/"Data from the Alaska Department of Conservation show that the 
Trans-Alaska and Prudhoe Bay oil fields have had an annual average of 
409 spills since 1996 of everything from crude oil to acid. Current oil 
operations in Alaska's North Slope every year emit about 56,427 tons of 
nitrous oxides, which cause smog and acid rain, and release up to 
110,000 tons of methane, a greenhouse gas that contributes to global 
warming" (Boston Globe 2001). The Prudhoe Bay Complex also emits 
11,400,000 metric tons of carbon to the atmosphere per year (Brooks et 
al. 1997). This amount is equivalent to the per capita emissions of 
approximately two million individuals in the United States."

/

"It is a vast frozen desert"


Thats too bad that your narrow-mindedness does not allow for life to 
thrive in an Arctic environment.  Such an ignorant view is completely 
contrary to the truth.

Some more "hog wast"

/"In fact, according to FWS, the Arctic Refuge coastal plain contains 
the greatest wildlife diversity of any protected area above the Arctic 
Circle."
//"The caribou are by no means the only wildlife populations in the 
Arctic Refuge. The area's large mammals also include grizzly bears, 
polar bears, Dall sheep, wolves, moose, and a herd of rare muskoxen."/
/"The Arctic Refuge's coastal plain provides the most important land 
denning habitat for the Beaufort Sea polar bear population"

//"135 species of birds are known to use the 1002 Area..."
//"About 250 muskoxen live year-round in the 1002 area of the Arctic 
Refuge..."/



You see FArmer Paul, conservationists and environmentalists are simply 
fighting to preserve that which SUPPORTS life; a healthy Earth.  This is 
common sense.  Why you aggressively disregard this, who knows?  Do you 
not depend on clean air, water, and land for survival?


Peace

Marc 





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[Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth

2005-03-19 Thread Marc DeGagne



*
SENATE PUTS OIL COMPANIES FIRST IN FIGHT OVER ARCTIC REFUGE*

*Statement by NRDC Legislative Director Karen Wayland*

WASHINGTON, D.C. (March 16, 2005) -- Today the U.S. Senate, by a vote of 
49-51, defeated an amendment by Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) that would 
have removed a provision of the Senate budget bill that authorizes 
energy development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The following 
is a statement by Karen Wayland, legislative director at NRDC (Natural 
Resources Defense Council).


"Drilling the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge won't make a dent in gas 
prices at the pump or break our dependence on Middle East oil.


"This was really a vote for Big Oil, not for the solid majority of 
Americans who oppose turning America's last great wilderness into a 
vast, polluted oil field.


"President Bush and his Senate allies resorted to a sneaky budget 
maneuver to get their way. Now, Congress is one step closer to trading 
away an irreplaceable national treasure for a few drops of oil that we 
wouldn't see for a decade or more.


"If the oil industry can drill in the Arctic Refuge, then no place, no 
matter how pristine, will be safe.


"But there is still a lot of political tundra to cross before this fight 
is over. We'll keep battling every step of the way.


"Increasing America's energy security doesn't require selling off our 
natural heritage and letting oil companies despoil our last best places. 
Using better technology in our cars and trucks -- so they go farther on 
a gallon of gas -- would save more than 10 times the amount of oil in 
the refuge, and save consumers billions of dollars at the pump."


The Natural Resources Defense Council is a national, nonprofit 
organization of scientists, lawyers and environmental specialists 
dedicated to protecting public health and the environment. Founded in 
1970, NRDC has more than 1 million members and online activists 
nationwide, served from offices in New York, Washington, Los Angeles and 
San Francisco.


To all Americans on the Biofuel list(I am assuming you've joined this 
list due to your distaste of oil companies); join NRDC and take action 
against drilling in Alaska.  Write your senatorsdo something, 
please!


Peace

Marc


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Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap

2005-02-20 Thread Marc DeGagne



"Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science."
"Kyoto is going to be economic suicide.."

Just random thoughts?

It certainly takes a noble man to enlighten us all with these profound, random 
thoughts.thoughts that bring to light the foolishness of those that 
even DARED believe that humans have an influence on our ecosystem(what a bunch 
of stupid scientist, eh Mark?).

Let me tell you what IS going to be suicide to our beloved economy, to destroy that which creates it.  There IS no economy without ecology!  If this concept is foreign to you, you should not be commenting on this or any other forum that is attempting to accomplish something positive in our world.  


I cringe at what your "well organized thoughts" might reveal.

Peace

Marc 




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