Re: [Biofuel] Green Developer?
Tom, You might want to spend some time on the US Green Building Council (USGBC) website at usgbc.org On this page there is a presentation about green homes: http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CMSPageID=1720 Also, here is a presentation that explains exactly what 'solar ready' actually means: www.*solar*2006.org/presentations/forums/f07-kreischer.pdf Hope that is helpful, Paul On Feb 8, 2008 9:50 AM, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I recently attended a presentation by a developer. The presenter used the words green and sustainable in reference to the development. I would appreciate a bit of help. What does it mean when one says that many of the houses will be photo-voltaic ready? I understand that it suggests that they will support the addition of PV cells. Is there anything specifically different about the construction of PV ready houses that makes them different from other houses? Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/19db69cd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Peace, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. - Albert Einstein -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/8d16ad18/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] looking for factoid
Chip, I think what you are looking for is here, in all kinds of detail and sliced 400 ways: http://eia.doe.gov/ On 9/5/07, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read lots of numbers concerning the rate of consumption of 'oil' by the US. things like Currently, the United States consumes 19.6 million barrels per day, of oil, which is more than 25% of the world's total.. and that kind of thing. What I am really looking for, is a solid number for any annual period in the 21st century, complete with citations and bibliography. similar numbers derived by the same methodology from the mid-1970s (Carter era fuel 'crisis') would be quite welcomed as well. Any clues? Thanks in advance. --chipper ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12
Hey Doug, Good point, the majority of coal plants are in the 40% ballpark, but I was being generous and including the combined cycle coal-fired plants. I've been to one in Columbia, SC that achieves 50% from coal. It also uses cool water from the bottom of the lake for cooling, so that increases efficiency, too. http://www.sceg.com/en/about-sceg/power-plants/fossil-fired/mcmeekin-station/McMeekin-Station.htm They burn 96 tons of coal per hour to generate 252 mWe. At 18 million BTU per ton, that works out to 50% at the power station bus. On 8/14/07, Doug Woodard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're over-optimistic. A really good, modern coal fired power plant gives 40% thermal efficeicnecy at a high power rating. The line and transformer losses come after that. A combined-cycle natural gas fired plant (gas turbiine with a steam turbine working off the turbine exhaust gases ) will give a maximum of 58%. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario Paul S Cantrell wrote: Funny thing, that's not funny is, about 50% of the energy contained in coal makes it to the power outlet. The rest is lost to heat loss, line losses and transformer losses. [snip] -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] $1-billion worth of water pouring out of leaking lines - Niagara Falls Review - 2007.07.12
Funny thing, that's not funny is, about 50% of the energy contained in coal makes it to the power outlet. The rest is lost to heat loss, line losses and transformer losses. On 8/13/07, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it's something the public should be aware of, said watermain executive director Frank Zechner. It's a figure that would shock and outrage most consumers, said Conservative leader John Tory. If you told people that 20 per cent or more of the electricity they were paying for in their house was never putting on a light, was never running their TV, was just going off into the air, I mean they'd be outraged at that and demand it be fixed immediately. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel specific?
Kurt, I have to agree with Mike, that it is your email account. I would not be able to manage it in Hotmail, since it is terrible, and has the worst user interface I've ever used for email. I use Gmail, which works great with filters and spam protection, and most importantly, organizes posts into conversations/threads, which increases the time it takes to follow certain threads and ignore others. You could also use Mozilla's Thunderbird client if you are not on Linux. In other words, before you change what is incoming to your mailbox, maybe you should try a couple of different ways of receiving and processing the information. On 7/11/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you switch to a linux-based email system you could use procmail to filter the messages for you...otherwise I am sure you can set up filters in Microsoft Outhouse er, Outlook and numerous other clients... -Weaver -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
They've discovered our secret! Urine Offers Rich Phosphorus Source http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/07/10/urine_pla.html?category=earth July 10, 2007 — Recycling urine may be the answer to a looming global shortage of phosphorus, according to an Australian researcher. Associate Professor Cynthia Mitchell, of the Institute for Sustainable Futures at the University of Technology, Sydney (UTS), said the world's deposits of phosphorus are due to run out in about 50 years. She believes recycling the 132 gallons (500 liters) of urine each person produces a year is the solution. Urine is the most concentrated source of phosphorus, she said. At the moment we dilute that through our sewage system and send it out to the ocean. In the industrialized world we must start moving to a resource-recovery approach rather than the current waste-treatment approach. Phosphorus is a key component in agricultural fertilizers and a lack of phosphorus would affect future soil quality and production. But Mitchell blames a 'poo taboo' for the failure of governments to move on the issue of recycling urine. In a public lecture at UTS later this week, Mitchell will call for a revolution in sanitation across Australia. She said technology that allows urine to be separated in the home is already being used in Sweden. All new homes in the local council of Tanum are required to have urine-separation toilets. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains
Not to mention that train engines burn diesel/biodiesel to make electricity to run the trains, so they are already hybrids. They could add an ultra-capacitor 'caboose' to the train to capture some of the immense braking energy. It also seems to me that we could put Solar PV panels on the tops of passenger train cars to generate the electricity used on them, further reducing fuel used per passenger mile. Of course, these measures take capital, and Booshy won't even fund Amtrak properly. On 6/13/07, Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from another group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carfree_cities/message/10256 Fuel-sipping trains June 11, 2007 With energy prices high and likely to go higher in the years ahead, it would make sense for the nation to embrace a transportation policy that puts a premium on energy efficiency. Transportation, along with electrical power generation, is the country's biggest consumer of fossil and renewable fuels. So what is the most fuel- efficient form of transportation available in the U.S. today? Believe it or not, it's Amtrak. According to a recent study published by the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Amtrak uses less energy per passenger mile than cars, airlines or even subways and commuter rail systems. In fact, the relative disadvantage of commercial airlines and cars is particularly pronounced - both use more than one-fifth more energy per passenger mile than Amtrak's trains. The study doesn't take into account rail's many additional environmental benefits. Passenger trains tend to support pedestrian- and transit-oriented development, for instance, while emissions from aircraft have a far worse impact on global warming because of the high altitude. Yet Amtrak continues to be treated as little more than an afterthought in national energy and environmental policy discussions. President Bush has proposed spending just $800 million on Amtrak in fiscal 2008. That's a half-billion dollars less than was spent the year before. The general public has been far more supportive. Ridership has increased each of the last four years, and Amtrak officials note that it's up again this year. The biggest gains were posted on relatively short routes of 500 miles or less outside the Northeast, where it's already popular. In general, Amtrak recovers about 67 percent of its operating costs through sales, but the rest requires a taxpayer subsidy - much in the same way that highways, bridges, airports, transit buses and other forms of transportation infrastructure are government subsidized. What passenger rail really needs is billions of dollars in additional capital investment - to replace aging equipment and upgrade track in order to provide faster, more efficient service that would allow Amtrak to better compete with no-frills airlines. From China to Germany, other countries are making that kind of investment in the future while the U.S. sits on the sidelines. High- speed rail has enormous potential, but it first requires government support. Copyright (c) 2007, The Baltimore Sun | Get Sun home delivery -D -- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account todayhttp://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia
Mike, You are welcome to move to South Carolina: S.C. lawmakers consider allowing concealed weapons on campuses http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/16/guns.on.campus.ap/ Hopefully it won't pass before the legislature goes home and cooler heads will prevail. I should mention that I work at a state college in Charleston. Ack! On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Virginia Citizens Defense League to give away automatic pistols:* The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun dealers being sued by the City of New York snip -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] man pays $520 electric bill in pennies
Darryl, I tend to agree with you. Instead of taking personal responsibility for his USAGE of a service, which he now must pay for, he blames the service provider. What would he do if CIPS turned off his power tomorrow for being a PITA customer? He'd freeze, but I bet he'd never take personal responsibility for any of it. He'd be a lot better off spending that $50 bucks on a case of insulating spray foam than postage. Of course, CIPS can't turn him off, they are required by the state to offer him power service until he doesn't pay or elects to turn it off. The new rates are less than I pay here in SC. On 3/12/07, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one who sees this as a particularly feeble response to the issue? First, here's the company side on the rate increases. http://www.ameren.com/AboutUs/ADC_AUE_RateFiling.asp A couple of snippets from that page. If approved, this electric rate increase would mark the first one for AmerenUE in almost 20 years. Typical residential customers using 1,000 kilowatt-hours a month would see their electric bills rise from approximately $66 per month to $72 per month, excluding taxes. Clearly, some people did get hammered by the changes. Testimony of Scott Cisel, President and CEO, Ameren Illinois Utilities - 2007.02.27 http://illinoischannel.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B0DB128F5CD96151!2007.entry Even Cisel says that low electrical rates were partly to blame for people using more electricity (as opposed to say, insulation) than necessary. BTW, the new, higher rates are still below 10 cents/kWh. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/C80ED6D9855C9A18862572920017A867?OpenDocument But not to worry, there is political pressure to force the prices back down. (see story above) So, in order to make his point, Hancock ups his cost by another 10-20%. And increases the company's overhead to deal with the protest payment, which is not likely to reduce electricity rates. So, based on the evidence I came across, it seems likely Hancock heats with electricity, and the unseasonably cold weather had the expected effect. Let's hope his next step (and for his neighbours) is to figure out how to reduce his electrical consumption in the future. Unlikely though, it appears instead they'll apply political pressure to end up in the Ontario scenario (keep residential electrical rates unrealistically low, let taxpayers make up the difference, remove the incentive to conserve). Nationalizing oil will simply lead to exploitation by a (somewhat) different group of piggish folks: government. PetroCanada is a disappointing example of what nationalizing oil accomplishes. Darryl -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] utility bill horror stories.
I don't see anything that is a 'horror' story, most read like people who don't understand what makes their electric meter spin. It's colder in February than in January. Check out January 2007: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMTO/2007/1/12/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar Versus February 2007: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMTO/2007/1/12/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar Looks like Feb. 2006 was warmer than this year: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMTO/2006/2/12/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar There is only ONE with any reference to kWh usage, where the kWh when up from 2007 to 2948 (up 47%) while the dollars when up only 30%. What a bargain!!! Maybe these people should research solar, because it will make them realize where all those kWh are going down the drain... You can't compare January bills to February bills...You have to compare Feb to Feb year over year because of weather. I think investing in some insulation and windows would go a long way...Maybe some solar thermal heating. Check this guy: http://www.instructables.com/id/EMU06ULZ1MEY95WRNU/ On 3/10/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only oil companies are posting record profits Seems a loud and clear call for solar and other power at point of use. Kirk http://www.jg-tc.com/articles/2007/03/10/news/news002.prt Readers share horror stories over utility bills By the JG/T-C [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following comments were collected from JG/T-C readers via e-mail: January electric power bill - $196.42 February bill - $396.02 JW Our latest bill was $243.09. The bill previous to that was $121.08. So, our bill doubled almost exactly. It wasn't as big of a jump as some people have had, but it's certainly more than a $1 a day, and it's a hardship for us. We are all electric, but now we're looking at gas. JL, Charleston I am a single mother of two and live in a 2-bedroom apartment. My CIPS bill for January 2007 was $135 and my bill for February 2007 is $259. I have lived in my apartment for 8 years and have never had a bill this high. I keep my apartment at 70 degrees all the time, even though it is cold. I have very limited income and I don't understand why the bill has almost doubled. I don't know how people are going to be able to afford these rates. I hope something can be done about this outrageous increase. MS Our electric bills for the month of January went up to $767 and for the month of February my bill went up to $1847. We are a low income family that only bring home $1300 a month. People like us can't afford to pay these high electric bills. CR, Ashmore We have a 1,280 sq. ft. ranch-style home with a family of two adults and one child with a total electric home. January bill was $216.39, 2007.42 Electric KWH total usage. Avg. temp 36. February bill $281.36, 2948.00 Electric KWH total usage. Avg. temp 18. Fortunately, I am on Budget Billing (a/k/a Equalizer) plan which I was just re-evaluated for in December. Prior to December I paid $107 a month on the plan. During the re-evaluation in December, AmerenCIPS (knowing their rates were going up) found me to be using less and changed my plan amount to $106 a month ($1 less). They re-evaluate the Budget Billing amount every four months so the effect of the increase has not happened for me yet but will in four months when they make the entire balance behind due and certainly increase my Budget Billing amount. JW, Charleston I am a homeowner living on the west side of Charleston with a family of five. My January bill was $350.11. As if that was not high enough, my February bill came to a unbelievable $449. I am paying another house payment for my electricity. It is a real struggle to keep my bills paid and paid on time. I can't imagine how the elderly can afford this increase. I am praying that something will be done soon for everyone's sake. MP, Charleston My CIPS bill: January $153.96 February $227.50 KK, Charleston Our household bill for January was $112.07 and February $143.59 for a two-month total of $255.66. We have a two-bedroom condo with windows on east, south, and west. VR In January, my Ameren bill was $259.40. In February, my Ameren bill was $429.62 (almost doubled) JB, Mattoon My electric bill last year was $152, this year same period, $403. EW My electric bills for January, February and March were $146.95, $197.18 and $394.10, respectively. A more telling fact is that my highest bill for the same period in 2006 was $179.80. How is that justified? We are an all-electric household. What Ameren did not publicize is that fact they canceled the incentives for being all electric along with the rate hike. LM, Mattoon Our average bill this time of year runs around $270-$300 per month, our new bill this period is $660; we can't pay this. I've sent emails to Flider, to the governor. I did get a response from Flider, but as expected, nothing from our so-called
Re: [Biofuel] Renting solar
Yes, I'm on their mailing list, but they don't 'do' my area because SCEG has not implemented net metering. No batteries, just panels, an inverter and a net meter. I've heard no cases of installation, but haven't heard anything bad either. Waiting to see... On 3/12/07, Matt Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been lurking in the background for awhile, and admittedly, I don't usually read all the e-mails that are posted, but has anyone talked about renting solar? I bring it up because of all the talk about high electric bills. There is a company called Citizenre that will install solar panels on your house and then charge you your current utility bill's price per kilowatt hour. As far as I know, all you have to do it put down a $500.00 deposit that you get back with interest at the end of your contract. Here is their website: http://www.citizenre.com/web/index.php Has anyone done this? Is it a scam? It seems like a good option for folks that can't afford the upfront investment on panels... Then there is the whole do these things use more energy to create than they ultimately produce? stuff. I'm rather new to this area, and would like any ideas anyone has. Cheers, Matt We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] For those at Educational Institutions
This is a Global Warming Project based on college campuses and at schools in the US. Very US centric, but we need a lot of help, after all. http://www.focusthenation.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs
On 2/24/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx Some nifty lights. Dont think I agree with the economic analysis near bottom of page though. Kirk I agree. It's a bit disingenuous to compare to incandescents, when CFL's are their true competition in energy efficient lighting. They should at least show all three. I have 2 LED bulbs that I got really cheaply. They are 1.3 Watts, which I verified with a Kill-a-watt meter. The color is really bluish, but not entirely unpleasant. I have one in my kitchen on at night to keep us from turning on the overhead 100 Watt light fixture to get some water or let the dogs out at night. I don't have it on a timer, because the timer uses more power than the bulb. The other is a night light. http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=18-LED-CLR They now have a 20 LED for $6.50. http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLU-MUSHROOM-LED20 -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] LED light bulbs
Joe, I did test out a LED exit light in our dining room light fixture with a dimmer, but they didn't dim. It was just on at a certain point and stayed on. Maybe there are ones designed to dim??? Like dimmable CFL's? On 2/27/07, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these LED lights able to work with a dimmer? The last place in my house that doesn't have CF bulbs is a room which has five pot lights which are connected to a dimmer. CF bulbs can't be used on a dimmer so I hope these LED lights are an alternative. Anyone tried it? Joe -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Purdue develops bio-reactor generator for waste
Purdue Scientists develop portable generator that turns trash into electricityhttp://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/070201LadischBio.html Initially, it is for the military, but will be commercially available soon. This seems like something that wouldn't be that hard to replicate on the home or farm scale, integrated with a biodiesel processor. It's basically an industrial yeast ethanol plant with a gasifier and a diesel engine cogenerating power and heat. The devil is in the details, but the expertise in biodiesel production and ethanol distillation would go a long way to building one to make one's self energy and waste neutral. The large photo (2300Kb) shows more detail: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/images/+2007/mosier-biorefinery.jpg -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] She's Dead, Jim
Daryl, I say fix it. If you are willing to pay the amount to fix it to get another truck just like it...why not fix the one you have? You already HAVE it and you already know its quirks. Availability of diesel vehicles is below demand. Unless there is more that is wrong with it? On 2/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was riding in the passenger seat as my son was driving my 1990 Chev Cheyenne on Tuesday morning. It has the GM 6.2 litre diesel engine. It was a cold day (-22 C), but the truck started easily (block heater had been used). We were about 4 km out when I heard a new top end racket as he accelerated out of a curve. The check gauges light came on, and the oil pressure was reading zero. I had him pull over and shut down, hoping we were quick enough to avoid damage. Yesterday, I got the preliminary report from the mechanic. The oil pump failed, so the engine was not being lubricated. It is not seized (the engine never got up to temperature on the trip), but there are a lot of ugly noises, even at idle. I trust this shop, and have for years. They figure a bottom-end rebuild is in order, but question the value of proceeding on an 18-year-old truck. The rebuild estimate is approximately what I paid for the truck a year and a half ago. Ironically, this occurred while I was on my way to a funeral. (I made it, but I was late. The tow truck driver dropped us off at the church on the way to the garage. We're on a first name basis. My son thinks that's funny.) I have been running B20 for the past year. I don't think that has anything to do with the oil pump going. Just posting this as a warning to others that this is something to watch out for in the GM engines of this vintage. The truck doesn't get a lot of use, as a rule, but I figure it paid for itself in the time I had it. It carried and pulled a lot in the times it was used. I have started looking for a replacement, but there isn't much to choose from in the low end of the market in terms of diesels. There are some large cube vans available at the top end of my price range (up to Cdn$4500), but they would present an issue in terms of parking. I need something that can pull up to 3500 pounds (Class 2), and carry ugly cargo (compost, scrap metal, used construction material). Pretty doesn't matter - in fact ugly has proven advantageous in terms or reducing requests to borrow the last vehicle. Robust and reliable does matter, as others drive the vehicle more often than I do. I'm thinking either pickup truck or full-size van. Any other thoughts? It took me more than a year to find a diesel the last time, and I don't have the luxury of that much time now. Suggestions? -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lights out
http://tinyurl.com/ys77hk will take you to an English translation of the Friends of the Earth page. On 1/31/07, frantz Desprez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An URL to follow efficiency of the black out (real time electricity consumption in France): http://www.rte-france.com/htm/fr/vie/courbes.jsp english version : http://www.rte-france.com/htm/an/accueil/courbe.jsp Friends of the earth - France who launched the idea : http://www.amisdelaterre.org/Participez-a-la-plus-grande.html frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SENATE CONTROL THREATENED BY TIM JOHNSON'S ILLNESS
Hopefully Bush won't 'pull a Teddy Roosevelt' and invade. Cuba does have oil. Although, the US could use some competent doctors that speak Spanish. On 12/15/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm curios what folks here think Raoul may do when Fidel dies, and what the US will do? Apparently Raoul is pro-china. Guess these questions are so inter-related it's anyones guess. Joe -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven Wright We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Death of a Compost Bin
Pallets are particularly useful. Usually you can pick up 3 for free and either have an open side or I had some leftover window screen, which allows air flow. Also, if you have room you can get 5 pallets and make a double bin...using a UU shape. On 12/9/06, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Robert, I use wood posts stacked like a log cabin. It´s open on one side. I don´t use treated wood anywhere. So avoid that poison. If the wood rots in time I replace it. Tom Irwin -- From: *robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *[Biofuel] The Death of a Compost Bin* Date: *Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:01:49 -0800* Although I don't do all of my composting in a bin, nearly all of our household table scraps and the entire collection of waste from our bunny cage went into a black plastic compost bin. Please note the past tense verb . . . About a week or so ago, we had a blast of arctic air sweep through this area. Temperatures plummeted and with the outflow winds howling out of the east, windchills of -20 C lasted for two or three days. (I know that some of you further east will probably laugh at this, but for those of us who live near the ocean, -20 is pretty cold!) The moisture in my compost bin expanded as it froze, literally warping or shattering the plastic bin. The whole thing actually fell over this morning. I went out to clean up the mess and found the top third of the contents completely preserved and uncomposted (big surprise, it's been cold, right?), the middle third consisted of a singular mass of partially composted, frozen material, while the bottom third remained warm enough to keep on decomposing. But the composter is toast. I'll have to construct another one because I'm NOT going to use plastic again . . . What do the rest of you use for compost bin construction material? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengerhttp://g.msn.com/8HMBEN/2728??PS=47575Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven Wright We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
In a google search for Dentist Mortality:http://www.google.com/search?q=dentist+mortalityThe first result is from the University of Toronto http://tinyurl.com/ykqtt7...the available data indicate no reduction in the life expectancy of practising dentists, nor any specific or disproportionate rates of disease associated with high mercury exposure. In fact, the available mortality studies are generally optimistic about the health of dentists...Dentists live 3 years LONGER than others in the population. Do you have anything to back up your statement other than what your dentist said?I would think that if dentists were dropping like flies, even in Misery, er Missouri, that it would probably make the news and rational dentristry students would drop out of school at very high rates. I find nothing of the sort on Google or Google News or scholar.google.com .On 11/10/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My dentist says that the average age of death for dentists in Missouri is 52. He attributesthis to all the mercury they're exposed to in the amalgams they use. If youread about thehistory of mercury in amalgams, it was despised by dental associations inthe 1800's. Theyknew then that mercury was bad news wrt health. It still is. People with a mouthful offillings made of amalgams (not composite resin) should get a heavy metalcheck throughhair analysis. Dentists and doctors need to remember: First, do no harm.Mercury amalgamsare banned in several European countries. The average American has eight amalgam fillings,btw. Root canals with their amalgam centers are also a cause for concern, asI've found out.Amalgams also contain tin which is toxic. I think some even contain aluminumwhich is suspected as a cause of Alzheimer's, as is mercury. Dentists should be using compositeresins which canbe made in the same color as teeth and have no dangerous by-products, as faras I know.Having amalgams replaced with composite resins needs to be done very carefully so that thepatient and dentist are not exposed, or exposed minimally, to the vapors orparticles of amalgam.Peace light, D. Mindock- Original Message -From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra robert and benita rabello wrote: snipeWe've found very serious, deleterious effects of depleted uranium munitions on soldiers who served in the Gulf War.That's a relativelysmall sample size when compared to the population of dentalprofessionals in North America and Europe.So, if we can diagnose our veterans on the basis of exposure to depleted uranium in the Gulf War,why are we UNABLE to provide similar results in a much larger populationexposed to dental amalgam? Fillings do not contain depleted uranium and DU when it vaporizes on impact and oxidizes into uranium trioxide is found to be a nano powder which is something like 100,000 to 1 meeelion times more toxic than DU is in a macro scale.Gulf war syndrom has nothing to do with mercury in fillings or vaccines.But didn't I read years ago that there is a very high suicide rate among dentists?And you are asking why we don't see wide spread health effects?But these people are saying that many wide spread problems ARE thought to be linked to mecury. Joe___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven WrightWe are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 450 gal batch reactor
Yes, and your state dept of agriculture may have something like this:http://www.scda.state.sc.us/marketbulletin/marketbulletin.htmWhich is called the South Carolina Market Bulletin and contains a sort of statewide farmers' classified ads. On 10/31/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to find a used milk paturizer. If you live near a dairy operationsscan the farmer's auctions for sales.Will Kelleher wrote: Hey all, I'm looking for a stainless steel chemical reactor that can handle about 450 gallons of oil.Does anyone know where I can find something like this? Thanks, Will K ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchIt's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven WrightHow good bad music and bad reasons sound when we march against an enemy. - Friedrich Nietzsche ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Dollar's Full-System Meltdown
IF your future view is correct, why not wait to pay down debt? It will be cheaper to pay it off later after inflation, as long as the interest rate isn't too high.On 11/1/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kirk, I started buying gold and silver. Also trying to get rid of debt. I think I better start selling my IRA stock funds while they are up and pay off the debt. I think we're in for a rough ride. We have been Bush whacked. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: The Dollar's Full-System Meltdown A report in The Sydney Morning Herald stated, "Australia's Treasurer Peter Costello has called on East Asia's central bankers to 'telegraph' their intentions to diversify out of American investments and ensure an 'orderly adjustment'….Central banks in China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Hong Kong have channeled immense foreign reserves into American government bonds, helping to prop up the US dollar and hold down interest rates,' said Costello, but 'the strategy has changed.'" Indeed, the strategy has changed. The world has come to its senses and is moving away from the green slip of paper that is currently mired in $8.3 trillion of debt. http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15440.htm -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchIt's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven Wright How good bad music and bad reasons sound when we march against an enemy. - Friedrich Nietzsche ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Diesel Slogan any thoughts
Biodiesel, just like dinodiesel minus 265 million years.On 10/27/06, Logan vilas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bio-Diesel, Runs more like petro-Diesel.Just Without belching out black smoke and without the chemical smell. Logan Vilas___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchIt's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven WrightHow good bad music and bad reasons sound when we march against an enemy. - Friedrich Nietzsche ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
Hi Ken,On 10/26/06, Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I try not to waste, but I still want.I'm not that enamored with compact fluorescents.I've had a half-dozen of them burnout in less than a year even though they are supposed to last five years. They are not as bright as they claim. The information on the package will say equivalent to 100 watt incandescent bulb. That's a laugh. On top of that, like all fluorescents they gradually get dimmer with age. What kind are you buying? There are very cheap, crappy ones and then there are Sylvania and Philips. I have never had one burn out in my house...I still have the first CFL I bought in the late 90's out in the porch fixture. It's not great, but the new ones are really improved. How often do you flip them on and off? For lights that get flipped a LOT, CFL's are not always the best bet. They take 5-10 minutes to reach full lumen output. You do have to look at the lumen output of the lamp against your desired light level. Also, CFL's are more sensitive to quality power source. Brownout and voltage flicker can cause the ballasts to burn out prematurely. You can check it with a standard voltage meter at the light sockets or plugs. My low flow shower head disperses the water so much that by the time it reaches my body it is cool, so I have to crank up the hot water. I don't know if I'm saving very much. I've added insulation to my attic but didn't notice any change in my electric bill. Showerheads involve so much personal preference, that it is hard to get general acceptance of low-flow showerheads. The best strategy I've heard is to take note of the ones in hotel rooms, and when you find one you like, write down the type and go buy it. There are attic insulation calculators here:http://www.martindalecenter.com/Calculators1A_5_Co_FJ.html#HOMER-THERMAL Lots of variables there...- Original Message From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:55:13 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-05.htmPublished on Monday, October 23, 2006 by Inter Press ServiceAnswer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not by Stephen LeahySoaring worldwide demand for energy is driving climate-alteringgreenhouse gas emissions dangerously higher, and even as investmentsgrow in new clean energy sources, existing technologies to reduce energy use are being neglected.Energy remains crucial to economic development in a world where over1.6 billion people have no access to electricity. While the media andgovernment focus has been on greener and cleaner ways to generate power through renewable sources like biofuels, wind, solar andhydrogen, experts say that major improvements in energy efficiencycould dramatically reduce emissions of greenhouse gases, save moneyand provide the breathing space needed to improve and develop new energy sources.Scientists estimate that to avoid dangerous climate change (generallyviewed as a two-degree rise in global temperatures), world greenhousegas emissions need to be reduced by about 60 percent from today's levels by 2050.At the same time, world energy demand is projected to increase byover 50 percent between now and 2030, and that will raiseenergy-related carbon dioxide emissions 52 percent higher than they are today, reported the International Energy Agency (IEA) in its 2005World Energy Outlook, considered the definitive report on globalenergy.That energy path is unsustainable, warns the IEA, which is calling for major changes.The need to dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions means adrastic overhaul of how we produce energy, said Christopher Flavin,president of the Worldwatch Institute, a U.S. environmental group.We are facing the biggest economic transformation since theIndustrial Revolution, Flavin told IPS.Few people have been able to get their heads around the scope and breadth of the changes, he said.Alternative ways of generating energy with little or no carbonemissions, improvements in energy efficiency and using less energyoverall will all be needed on a massive scale. That is beginning to happen in terms of wind, solar and biofuel energy, which are growingat double-digit rates and now generate close to 10 percent of theworld's energy, said Flavin.However, energy efficiency in North America and elsewhere has been on the back burner since the oil crisis of the 1970s.The European Union is an exception, where even centuries-oldapartment buildings are lit by low-energy compact fluorescentsequipped with motion detectors or timers so they only turn on when needed. By contrast, lights are on 24 hours in hallways and stairwaysas well as offices and stores across North America.This fall, EU countries, already twice as energy efficient as theU.S. or Canada, announced an action plan to reduce their energy needs by another 20 percent by 2020.It is easier and cheaper to improve energy efficiency than producemore energy, said
Re: [Biofuel] Opening the garden -- Uruguay
Jason,Have you tried one of those lights for Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD)?Google Seasonal disorder lightOn 10/16/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i need some inspiration during the dark days... i get so moody in the fall. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Opening the garden -- Uruguay Hi Tom and List...thanks for this post and all our gardeners' posts. One of the additional beauties of this global List is how the summer part of the world caninspire thewinter part throughout the year. Always a garden yielding bounty somewhere. No matter how big or small or in what time of year, I personally love hearing how people relate to their gardens, what they plant, what they find, how they work the soil, what thoughts or feelings their gardens inspire, etc etc. No doubt the human population generally has lost awareness of its' connection to the planet. Perhaps more gardeners and their musings might help bring some of that awareness back and in so doing also restore a bit of lost sanity. Again, thank you Tom and all our gardeners who post. Mike DuPree PS We harvested our basil several weeks ago for making pesto. I really need to learn more about building up the soil and most immediately what I should do now in October in Kansas to prepare the soil for next year. - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Opening the garden -- Uruguay Hi All, Greetings from the deep South. The black raspberries are in flower as are the lemon trees. If it wasn't for the manureit would smell mighty nice. The mustard that overwintered is producing lots of seed. I found some good tangerine seeds that I'm hoping will sprout soon.The same is true of some pecans. They got 45 days in the refrigerator. I don't like the nuts much but I really want the wood for smokingmeat. I haven't found much linseed oil in these parts so,' have farm will grow'. The plants are up about 5 centimeter. I wasn't sure if the seeds would germinate so I'm pleased so far. My daughter in the U.S. has tried to send me some open pollinated snow peas but I think they got stopped at customs. Lots of hybrid seed for sale here and no GM allowed so far. I'll probably pull the strawberries this weekend. They went in way too late and really haven't taken off. I've got an insectiary hedgerow started along with some herbs. I had good luck attracting hover flies, parasitic wasps, and a couple of lady bugs. I'd really like to see some ground beetles though. I suppose it is a bit early. The carrots are in the ground but I probably planted them too deep. I got caught in a thunder shower. Lots of other jobs to do this season. I need to put in a new gate, rainwater drainage, and a well. Tom From: Jesse Frayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:40:16 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closing the Garden - Ottawa versionHi gardeners,Our yard at home is small, in the middle of the city,and shaded by a big tree. So we were looking forsomewhere to grow vegetables.In the last three years we have had some space onpublic land that was contested over, puzzled over,dog-run over by our differing neighbourhood uses. Wehave put in years of meetings to secure thisgreenspace. We dug deeply through the sod and put in manure fromthe downtown farm (it used to be a zoo), turned overour little square, put in an apple tree and two grapevines... etc.Okay, the earth is pretty great. LOTS of worms andalthough in Toronto we surely have clay, not so bad,put the mulch in there for three years and it'sstarting to break up nicely.Okay, here's the deal. This is a public place, thereare dogs, school kids and everyone else walking pastthe garden. I saw a guy walking away with a biggrocery bag of my roma tomatoes. I say to him, Hi, Ihope you're enjoying my garden?He says Oh, I thought it was school-kids put thisin. Like that would make it okay, humm, and hekeeps walking. Interesting.So my daughter put up a sign: Until we have dug a big enough garden to feed thewhole neighbourhood, could you please leave theproduce to the gardeners? (She has a thing that ifanyone would be so hungry as to take food from someoneelse's garden, it must be okay.) Guys, I'm thinkin', this is the way it's going to be. I feel cranky now.Our new sign, for next spring, is: Here are 5 tomatoseedlings.
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving everybody
Happy Thanksgiving! Many thanks to all your contributions, as well!!!As for us poor Americans, it is lost Italian/Spaniard Day.On 10/6/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Joe Street wrote: Enjoy the long weekend.I'm STILL not used to Thanksgiving in October . . .It doesn't seemright!But thank you for the well wishes!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain
Ah, that's at standard pressure, right? Don't you think that the impact of a jetliner at several hundred miles per hour and the ensuing explosion and fall of the towers would increase the pressure and lower the melting point and vaporize some of the DU? Anyway, the asbestos was enough to cause breathing problems for site workers for the rest of their lives.On 9/25/06, Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk the melting point of DU is 2070 F (1132C) and the boiling point us 7101 F (3917C). The max temperature seen in the TWC was round 1000C, not even enough the melt DU let alone vaporize it. Mark -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Automakers Targeted by Lawsuit in California
Ah-nold! Of course.Actually, many of the people I know that live in California drive to the train station. Seems they could bike to the train station. Weather really isn't a deterrent there, but ego probably is. On 10/2/06, Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea. Who's going to tell everyone in California they have to walk now?:) robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D. Mindock wrote: And yet car companies are fighting the state's landmark regulations requiring them to offer vehicles with 30 percent lower emissions by 2016.They've been doing this as long as I've been alive. Business as usual . . .Be subversive. Don't buy a business as usual car. Better yet, park the one you own and walk!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded firearms aboard
On 9/21/06, Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul you need to get your facts straight or at least your myths Or, Wikipedia does...Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_pressurization I agree that my first post was unresearched and overly dramatic. My second post was based on the above article. It is imposable to open an Door or Emergency exit while the plane is pressurized. The doors are larger than the openings they sit in. The air pressure keeps the closed. Ever noticed why the open inward then turned sideways, before it is pushed outside the aircraft. It is near impossible to take out a window in an jetliner. They between 3 and 5 layers thick and made from Polycarbonate, they will not blowout. A bullet will only punch a hole in them.United Flight 811 ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_811had a cargo door malfunction and open in flight at 23,000 feet causing several passengers to be sucked out, but it landed safely. The whole frame of the door and part of the fuselage came off. My point was that the bullet could make a larger hole, or it could weaken the skin of the plane and allow the door frame to lose integrity. My main point is that guns don't belong on airplanes. Any bullet fired in such a close space (aluminum tube) is pretty likely to hit something unintended, such as a innocent passengers, wires, fuel lines, fuel tanks, controls, engines etc etc. Your statement the you will die if the plane depressurizes is also false. You will become unconscious after 5-10mins at altitude and will die in 20+min, but by that time the pilot will have lowered the aircraft to a breathable altitude (15k or less) Now if your pilots are unable to do the maneuver, I guess you are out of luck.I think Payne Stewart's family would disagree. Your statements contradict each other. It is not entirely false if it is possible for the pilots to lose consciousness. Frostbite and blackouts become real problems in rapid decompression and the pilots are included. The fresh air compressors on modern jetliner could probability keep up with 20-30 bullets holds without loosing enough pressure to make people pass out. If you realy want rapid decompression, try flying on a real old Hawian Air lines plane or a bomb.I believe the Mythbusters used an old Hawaiian airlines jet on their episode on this subject. They were able to cause a window to pop out with a 9MM. Mark -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was...was.. Bring loaded firearms aboard
Oh yeah? Well, the US is going to build a freakin' 3,000 mile long fence along the 49th with canadian lumber and Mexican workers!(Tongue firmly planted in cheek)On 9/22/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that illegal handguns seized in Canada are for the mostpart traced to US sources.We need more border security.Perhaps weshould create a department of homeland security.Illegal weapons fromthe US are a threat to our national security. I move that we impose economic sanctions on the government of that country until they crackdown on the flow of handguns and other weapons that are leaking acrossthe border.The citizens of this country are being terrorized by the US as a result of these weapons.JoeAltEnergyNetwork wrote:snipDrive by shootings and gang killings hardly rate a mention in papers, yet in many countries like U.K, Canada, France and many others the death rate from firearm murders is a fraction of what it is in the U. S. Gun laws are much stricter and the result is much less slaughter. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11
Jason,Have you ever been to the Pentagon? You just don't get the magnitude and scale of that structure until you are there.Please explain Picture 13: http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.htmlCruise missiles do NOT make fireballs like this one, it was the fuel:http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/pentagon_hit.gif A cruise missile would not have clipped a light pole, which fell on a cab, nor do cruise missiles have black boxes.On 9/22/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:the pentagon took a cruise missile, thats all there is to that one. but i am inclined to agree with the fact that an insulated, fueled heat source willgather heat to the structural failure point. i have seen it in my owntinkerings as well. (just not on such a frightening scale)Jason -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was.. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11
It most certainly did not fall like a controlled demolition. It didn't even completely fall flat into its footprint. It fell towards the South and nearly split in two as it fell. The remains had to be demolished. It is illogical to point to demolition videos of concrete reinforced steel buildings and compare to WTC7, as it was a steel tube in tube design over an existing 5 story building. Pay special attention to Chapter 5:http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtcreport.htm The damage to the southwest corner was as a result of WTC1 falling, but it was ultimately caused as the HUGE diesel fuel fire that was not fought for 7 hours. It fell from the inside, as you can see, the east penthouse fell into the building, then the west penthouse fell into the building, then you can see a stress point, or kink develop up the building and it starts to fall inward to the ground. Here is a good website of debunking:http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htmPeople see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear...People believe what they want to believe. On 9/21/06, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been following this thread and there certainly seems to be many things that don't add up. Until recently I was under the impression that building seven came down as a result of the falling towers.Recently I saw a video of the building (7) coming down and it fell exactly the way controlled demolition does. I've seen a couple come down in real life and it struck me how precise it all seemed, that I immediately thought that's a controlled demolitionMany, manyother inconsistencies as well. Very strange. regardstallex-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded firearms aboard
Problem comes when you shoot a hole in that 'metal tube' at 33,000 feet and the plane depressurizes and EVERYONE on board dies.On 9/20/06, DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tallex,Don't be too harsh...If they want an old west ariline where they can have shoot outs then they should be able to have it.Just because one nut case came up with it doesn't mean other nut cases wouldn't love to fly such an airline.They need a place to shoot each other while smoking and drinking, and at least they're secured in a metal tube away from the place I like to go to smoke and drink!hahaha. -daveOn Wednesday, September 20, 20062:51 AM, AltEnergyNetwork wrote:Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:51:44 +From: AltEnergyNetworkTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded firearms aboardYes, I can imagine 2 passengers having a few drinks, then getting in to an arguement about something. One of them politely asks a flight attendant for a few rounds to take out the other one...what fun. I think I'll pass on those flights as well. Was this nut case, a conservative blogger by any chance? regardstallex-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded firearms aboard
Not entirely...Mostly depends on how big the hole is. The size of a finger gets you a loud whistling noise. A larger hole will cause rapid decompression. God forbid a gunshot caused a window to pop out, or an emergency door to pop open.On 9/20/06, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul S Cantrell wrote: Problem comes when you shoot a hole in that 'metal tube' at 33,000 feet and the plane depressurizes and EVERYONE on board dies.naw,that's fiction.Entertaining though it may have been, Goldfinger wasn't a documentary. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney- these memorials
You may want to spend some time with these:Scientists and engineers simulate jet colliding with WTC
http://www.physorg.com/news77212675.htmlWorld Trade Center
Building Performance Studyhttp://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtcreport.htmPay special attention to page 9 of this PDF:
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch1.pdfIt shows the area of debris field from the 110 story buildings and how far the exterior columns went. The collapse of these buldings was in no way controlled, except by the force of gravity. The scale of the towers (110 stories on a 16 acre site) adds to the perception that it could be controlled, but there were no explosions on lower floors that indicate anything other than the pancake-effect. The outer walls actually peeled outward, but it is difficult to see with all of the debris in the air.
It would require an unbelievable effort and lapse of judgement of thousands of people for the entire engineering and physics scientific community to AGREE on conspiring to skew the results of the science surrounding the WTC site.
There is a lot of emotion embedded in the conspiracy theories around 9/11 and in your email, but no good science or engineering.I don't believe that the current administration orchestrated the events of 9/11, they are opportunistic {insert perjorative term here}s, but they just aren't smart enough, IMHO.
On 9/12/06, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These September 11 memorials are extremely difficult for me because I do notnow and have never believed this was the work of outside terrorists.Several years ago I watched a documentary about the bringing down of .. I
think it was the Sears building .. or some old icon in .. maybe Michigan (orsome other state - details are fuzzy).A demolition company specializing in this line of work was filmed from theplanning stage .. as they inspected, planned, set the explosives, pushed the
timer and brought that building down.I remember very clearly the sight ofhow that building folded into itself.This demolition was preceded by a miniscule inspection of the entirebuilding .. crawling through walls and ceilings inspecting things like steel
structure, riveting, any weakness that may have happened during the yearssince it was built.The actual planning stage was using the original blue prints plus allupdates over the years. These plus the inspection notes were used in
deciding where the charges were to be placed. There were thousands ofcharges in all support positions on both the outside framing and interiorstairwells and elevator shafts of this building.The idea being that the interior charges would go fractions of moments
before the exterior charges bringing the outside walls toward the center.The second stage was the physical placing of the charges and the timers ..taking into account any of those now existing weaknesses .. a huge
engineering task.These charges must be placed in precision order and the timers must go offEXACTLY in the right order .. the results have the building folding in onitself floor by floor .. and in this documentary this was a successful
demolition... in short .. there is weeks and months or longer of work involved to bringabout a controlled demolition... an explosion out of this precision order could topple the building ..having it lay down lengthwise.
2 planes hit and 3 buildings were brought down .. 1 building had a smallfire that did not and could not have caused structural damage.I don't believe I am the only one who watched that horrible day as those
buildings collapsed perfectly down into themselves ... and had their bloodrun cold .. because, if what I was witnessing was true, then this attackcould only have come from home.There is no other way in my mind that anyone without official, authorized
consent could possibly have had such intimate contact with those buildingsover months of time .. because there is no other way that all 3 buildingscould have happened the way they did.I knew then and I know it now .. these were controlled demolitions.
I also know that the horror I feel is more so because I believe my own didit to me. My heart twists to know that there are so many others who believeas I do and have the additional burden of having lost a loved one in that
fury.Mary Lynn Schmidt___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Mike,Talk Like a Pirate Day is not until next Tuesday, September 19th.http://www.talklikeapirateday.comOn 9/11/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrgghh,Aye matey.Fred Finch wrote: Hey Weaver (Redler,) Got yer pirate costume on? fred-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA! ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well then... Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor[EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mike WeaverSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence. -Stephen Hawking ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Gregg, et aliter.[VIDEO] Please watch..Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZceurl= We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have. -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
TouchéOn 9/12/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a problem with perfect.The problem is, if you are perfect then there is no room to grow.If there is no room to grow you become stagnateif you become stagnate then you become complacent if you become complacent you become your own imaginary friend.Therefore unless you are a God to begin with perfection is useless From: Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:58 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA! ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well then...Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor [EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney MY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence. -Stephen Hawking ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself.On 9/12/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Mike Weaver wrote:I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. I guess, because I believe in small government, personal accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.But, having written this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Gregg,Boy, that hindsight sure is 20/20, isn't it? If Clinton knew what was coming on 9/11, of course he would have ordered the shot, but at the time, Pearl Harbor was the last attack on US soil.The Jihad that would have come from 'taking Osama' would have rivaled 9/11 several times over. Real Presidents weigh perceived costs versus gains withe information available. Pretend Presidents declare war on nouns.On 9/10/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than that. The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened.DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years. On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that?Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off Uncle Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened.-dave___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] too true
...maybe three or four of them got in their Prii...Video available here:http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/41235/ On 9/6/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards, former Vice President Al Gorelectured the audience about global warming. The Rock 'n' Roll audiencecheered, gave him a standing ovation, and then they got in their stretch limos, went to the airport, got in their private jets, and flew home toMalibu. --Jay Leno___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We have a king in the WH!
No need. The puppets can come and go...It's Cheney who is the real president...and there is NO term limit on Vice Presidents...See this article: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/08/26/the_cheney_presidency/On 9/6/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:im telling you, he's trying to build a workaround for the two-term rule. i bet a dollar he figures out a way to do it w/in the next year and a half,and then the homefront war will begin in earnest.JasonICQ#:154998177MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message -From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:02 AM Subject: [Biofuel] We have a king in the WH! Lots of folks have thought Dubya thought of himself as imperial material. Now it's official. Next Dubya will want designer robes to wear for his coronation. Peace, D. Mindock == http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_41616.shtml Bush Declares Eco-Whistleblower Law Void for EPA Employees Stealth Repeal of Clean Water Act Protections by Invoking Sovereign Immunity Citing an unpublished opinion of the [Attorney General's] Office of Legal Counsel, the Secretary of Labor's Administrative Review Board has ruled federal employees may no longer pursue whistleblower claims under the Clean Water Act. The opinion invoked the ancient doctrine of sovereign immunity which is based on the old English legal maxim that The King Can Do No Wrong. It is an absolute defense to any legal action unless the sovereign consents to be sued. The opinion and the ruling reverse nearly two decades of precedent. Approximately 170,000 federal employees working within environmental agencies are affected by the loss of whistleblower rights. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biowar for Dummies
Oil? Why not go straight to biodiesel? A PhD candidate in India or Switzerland is probably already a year into it...Hopefully...Kinda brings new meaning to grow your own, huh?On 8/30/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a single base pair of DNA runs about a buck to make.Ok folks lets build that sunlight to oil converter. Kirkhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0682.html?printable=1 All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
The temperature of the of the pump, gas metering valve and piping can effect the density and therefore how much fuel you actually get. The pumps sitting in full sunlight are going to be the hottest. The ones in the shade and used most often will be the coolest. Like Kirk says, fuel up in the morning for the most 'bang for the buck' (sorry, but it had to be said)How much is the difference between 60*F gasoline and, say, 80*F gasoline? Diesel? On 8/28/06, Jeff Lyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that thegas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept thetanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.Jeff- Original Message -From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: list biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: [Biofuel] hidden price gougingi actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Blair feels let down by Bush [welcome to the club!]
Clive,I second Weaver's calling you out. I suggest you get to explaining yourself post haste.On 8/22/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Chive,I think you must have meant Jutish, which I guess it is possible, but there must be a few Saxons, Celts and Anglos in there.My guess is that you are a smarmy chickenshit anti-semitic git.I'm calling you out.Defend your statement.-WeaverClive Marks wrote: Of course they will do nothing, 90% of their senate is Jew.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] sticker on diesel pumps.
Kirk,Yes, I have seen them here in South Carolina. I have been meaning to take a picture of one and ask the same question.If I remember, it says that it is 'low sulfur diesel' and is not to be used in 2007 or newer diesel vehicles. I assume this is part of the ULSD change? On 8/19/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend phoned from Montana and said all the diesel pumps there have a sticker that the fuel in that pump is not to be used in 2007 diesel trucks. Has anyone seen these stickers in their state? Kirk Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Farmer in France arrested for driving vegetable-powered truck
Vive la SVO Revolution!!!On 8/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarding from another source.You may need a subscription to see the full article via the URL. Darryl===http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1214520.eceFriday, August 4th, 2006John Lichfield in Paris A French farmer faces prosecution for driving on public roads in avegetable-powered truck.Olivier Lainé, a cereals farmer based near Rouen in Normandy, believes hewill go down in history, not as a criminal, or tax-evader, but a "revolutionary".M. Lainé, 49, was arrested near his farm by French customs officers. Hefaces prosecution for driving a vehicle powered by an "unauthorised fuel" -namely pure vegetable oil, made from colza, or rape seed, grown on his own farm.An EU directive passed last year instructs member states to encourage theuse of pure vegetable oil as a form of fuel for diesel-powered vehicles.Paris has failed so far to translate the directive into law. "They say that I am breaking the law. I say that they are breaking Europeanlaw," M. Lainé said. "We will see who is right. What I am doing will beseen as the beginning of a revolution. The world is short of fossil fuels. It has a surplus of agricultural produce. Using pure vegetable oil as afuel can make a small contribution to solving both problems." M. Lainé is spokesman within the département of Seine-Maritime for the militant small farmers' union, the Confédération Pay-sanne. The unionaccused the French government yesterday of "hypocrisy".Paris talks of making a contribution to a cleaner environment, the unionsaid, but blocks local initiatives to use pure vegetable oil. The use of vegetable oil as fuel is authorised for vehicles while operatingon a farm. It is illegal to drive vegetable-powered vehicles on publicroads because no tax has been paid on the fuel.___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fuel Help
Good Afternoon all,I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it.A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel:http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene.Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll.No real answers at the TDIClub website.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
LOL! The college would have to pay a company A LOT to take it away. It will probably be poured into the big diesel tank, where it will be an insignificant part.I poured the 1 liter sample into the tank after work with absolutely no noticeable difference on the drive home. For sure, BD would be better.On 8/11/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel ZOn 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul; I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. Joe Paul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all, I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel: http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene. Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
It looks and smells like absolutely brand new. Apparently the additives in JP-8 include enough *-icide to keep it out. Also it was sealed tightly with no air.On 8/11/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect any fuel that old to be half digested by bacteria. KirkZeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel Z On 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul;I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. JoePaul S Cantrell wrote:Good Afternoon all,I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel:http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene.Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
I don't blame them one bit...saving the airport disposal costs to boot.On 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul; I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. Joe Paul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all, I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel: http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene. Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] GeoExchange, on the cheap
Enthalpy, enthalpy, ENTHALPY!Water is often used to cool Condensers in industrial and commercial chillers. At the college I work for, we have several water-cooled and several air-cooled chillers. Water-cooled are more efficient at larger tonnages (100 tons) than air-cooled. (see http://www.aceee.org/ogeece/ch3_index.htm ) Of course, water cost has to be taken into account and the cool condensate drains should be redirected to the water cooling towers make-up water supply. That water is 50-60 degees F and generally requires less chemical treatment than city water. As an aside, we have an air-cooled chiller that is 'circling the drain' in terms of life cycle and we spray water on the condenser coils to 'help' it along a bit until we can fund a new chiller. At home, whenever I use the hose, I spray the remaining pressure in the hose on our condensing unit rather than 'waste' it. A clean condenser works better anyway. I try to keep the leaves out of there and vines and plants away so it can get proper airflow. Also, it is in the shade, which is an important point that most people overlook. The units sitting in the sun have to work longer and harder to expell the heat. My unit sits on the north side of the house and is further shaded by a Holly bush and a birch tree. I also keep a small gallon tub right next to the unit that the condensate drain runs into. When the RH% is low enough, the fan evaporates water off of the tub. If you live in a heavy-A/C climate like us, you can add a desuperheater to the unit, which pulls off heat for pre-heating the domestic hot water going into your water heater.Mike, as for low-tech, as long as humidity isn't a concern indoors (it is here in coastal South Carolina) the bath tub idea isn't all bad. My concern is 'wasting' 50 gallons of potable water with its embodied energy and chemicals down the sewer drain. I'd much rather use that water for irrigation or pour it/pipe it onto a hot roof for evaporative cooling there. Or, use it as wash water for your BD. You could use rain water and/or greywater, too, so your water company won't have anything to complain or bill you for. In the wintertime, I always plug up the bathtub when I take a shower and let it sit until it is nearly ambient. Warms the air and adds humidity.I'm going to look into the attic heat pump idea some more. I found http://www.solarattic.com already. Looks like the radiator from an 84 Ford pickup with a fan attached to the pool pump.On 8/4/06, Mike Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea. Juan's idea got my attention too. The inefficiencies due to the latent heat of vaporization go poof! since the final phase of that H2O is...humidity, right? That is to say, in a perfect world, vapor turned to condensation then back to vapor again after throwing it on the condenser (understanding that that there is no free lunch - 2nd law of thermo.). Re: Does that mean that the list is closed to the bourgeois? :-) -Redler-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wolf attack near Grangeville
Oh wait, now I'm confused...I thought you were making BD from the sheep, but now it is the wolves??? Little Red Riding Hood couldn't keep up.On 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:well there was the thread a while ago about making biodiesel from cats, and I recall we were going to turn Keith into biodiesel, so I imagine you could use wolves too. On 8/7/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, whatever.Can you make biodiesel out of them?Zeke Yewdall wrote: Somehow, I doubt the wolves posess much danger to the elk and deer populations long term, as they evolved together.They weren't a problem for thousands and thousands of years.Putting domestic animals that were relatively easy to kill, and that we owned in place of the native game was when the problem began.It's sort of like leaving all your food out on the ground in bear country, and then claiming the bears are the problem.We've compounded it by reducing habitat for the wild game, so the wolves learn to eat other prey that they normally wouldn't.It a classic case of overpopulation of an atypical food species, which is usually kept in check by an increase in predators that can eat them, but normally don't.It's just rather uncomfortable to find that we and our livestock are the food species in this equation, instead of some hapless field mice or such. That being said, I don't relish being eaten, so I think that killing wolves that learn that humans are potential prey would probably be a good idea.Long term, it's not going to solve anything since we've caused the situation.But long term, it wouldnt be good for wolves to learn that humans are prey, even after they have their native game back. On 8/7/06, *Kirk McLoren* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lived in Montana for many years and some people still remember the effort and expense we went to to remove them. Just remember those midwest feedlots often fatten calves from Montana Dakota Idaho Wyoming. They would be hard pressed to find stock without those producers. That is what will happen if nothing is done. That 60 ewes I quoted was as of last May, I dont have more recent info as we sold our home back there. When the game are gone then they hunt domestic animals. We are in that transition now. So far they just pay the rancher for the carcasses. I havent seen much re control. I think it reasonable they will become the problem they once were. They are still wolves and do what wolves do. Predators are predators. Kirk */DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Kirk, I can't tell from your comment on this article whether you feel issues with wolves are dealt with improperly or if you feel the meat industry is going to take a real beating from them. We have wolves here in Minnesota and the farmers truly hate them. However, seeing as how the northern states make up a smaller percentage of beef production, it seems the wolf impact would be negligible. Looking at the USDA site, it appears that the beef populations would have to take a significant hit (in the order of hundreds of thousands) to really be impacted. Also, reading the post by Richard, he seems more concerned about the game populations and our safety. Anyway, here is the link to the USDA with the numbers of our cattle industry: http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm Regards, -daveDate: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Kirk McLorenTo: biofuelSubject: [Biofuel] Wolf attack near GrangevilleIf you think beef is expensive now wait till more of them starthunting cows instead of deer and elk. A wolf in Stanfield killed 8 steers in one night. So much for they only kill for food. Theystarted on sheep last year. Some ranchers are going out of businesssoon. One fellow lost over 60 ewes this spring. I bet none of you read any of this in the newspaper though. Or on tv.KirkLady and Blackey: Cry WolfBy Scott Richard Hi, my name is Scott Richards and ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41144/*http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey
Re: [Biofuel] witness for the prosecution
Kirk, The grid is maxed out during peak times in some places (California, the Northeast) like on summer afternoons when it is hot, but the idea would be to charge the cars at night or off-peak times when power generation, transmission and distribution are in excess. Many electric utilities across the country offer 'time of use' rates that charge different per kWh prices depending on the hour of the day it is used. On peak is most expensive followed by a shoulder peak and off peak is the cheapest. I agree that distributed renewable, co-gen generation is the long term solution,but I think in most places plugin hybrids are more than feasible.On 7/7/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from link - snip DF Because the electric grid is in place This is not like fusion power or even developing an electric car. I think there's a gentleman who's developed a [plug-in] kit ... so Detroit can't say they don't know how to do it. --The grid is maxed out in many cases. Can anyone say brownout or blackout? An electric car powered by the cogen that heats the house and hot water - maybe But existing grid - sorry,noEven if you string more wire and add plants they will be coal which pollutes more than oil and you have the losses at each conversion step and distribution as well. I am for an electric car but the power supply will probably have to be solar. Solar thermal to be more exact.Kirk AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Witness for the prosecutionEnergy guru S. David Freeman on who killed the electric car http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=1008. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] An Inconvenient Truth
Video that continues 'what you can do' in the film. The story at the beginning is pretty funny, too. http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=al_goreflashEnabled=1 http://www.climatecrisis.net/ On 6/26/06, Sarath G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw the movie this weekend and I was very impressed by the story and facts. Not that this is a new topic to any of the members on this list, but the portrayal of clear and present dangers of looming climate change are well illustrated and makes an extra effort to bring this issue to public focus. Sarath ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] An Inconvenient Truth
Joe, I saw it yesterday and I concur completely...Everyone go see it and take 3 people with you! I encourage everyone to go see it, if nothing else to make me (us) seem less nutty! lol been talkin' about this since high school... On 6/26/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw the movie on Friday evening. Lots of great factoids for those who are not in the know about global warming. The presentation is such that I don't see how anyone could not be persuaded. I thought that was very encouraging. Al Gore has so much of an opportunity to reach a large audience. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Since we're on the topic, ...Re: Lawn question off topic
Mike, Sounds like 'Red Bugs' or Chiggers to me. We have those here in South Carolina, too. Google either for many results. Red bug bites itch worse than flea or mosquito (skeeter) bites. They are a mite. This site has a picture: http://www.enature.com/fieldguides/detail.asp?fotogID=606curPageNum=16recnum=IS0151 Also, http://beaufortusa.com/chigger.htm Is that it? On 6/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Virginia and my yard is infested with small red bugs - about the size of a lentil. Any idea what they are? Or, can someone point to a good resource for looking them up? -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of stainless tanks in Richmond, VA, USA.
Dovebid is fun to browse... Brewery in Scotland anyone? http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?auctionID=9873 On 6/15/06, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Ridiculous amount of stainless tanks, pumps and other equipment in Richmond, VA. Sale ends June 22. Good luck bidding. http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=10431 BR Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of stainless tanks in Richmond, VA, USA.
I believe that was the opening.posting date...It is a negotiated sale, rather than an auction. On 6/15/06, rradzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would have been fun but the auction was in January 2005! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul S Cantrell Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:41 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lots of stainless tanks in Richmond, VA, USA. Dovebid is fun to browse... Brewery in Scotland anyone? http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?auctionID=9873 On 6/15/06, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All ; Ridiculous amount of stainless tanks, pumps and other equipment in Richmond, VA. Sale ends June 22. Good luck bidding. http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=10431 BR Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ANYONE know anything about this?
Not even wrong! You'd be better off mailing me a check for $100 and I'll voodoo your car into better fuel economy. Fuel pills were recently discussed in topic 'BioPerformance' and a search of the archives brings it right up. On 6/12/06, ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gang My brother-in-law offered this to me to get better mileage in my viehicle. I have no idea if it works but I sure don't think it can as this type of stuff is usually all HYPE. http://www.spmpg.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp What are your thoughts? Have a look Thanks Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Super Battery (MIT) - New from old
MIT is researching using capacitors to make batteries that can be charged in seconds, have high capacity (currently 60 Wh/kg, 10 times DLC and half of Li-Ion batteries) and last nearly forever by adding nanotubes to the electrodes to increase surface area and hence charge capacity. They are applicable to everything from the small batteries in cell phones up to cars. If this technology pans out, we could all be driving plug-in hybrids and electric cars that charge in a couple of minutes and with batteries that outlast the body of the car. The research is funded by a Ford-MIT partnership, so don't hold your breath. MIT Developing 'Super Batteries' http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=articlearticle_id=218392803 Carbon Nanotube Enhanced Ultracapacitors (more technical article from MIT) http://lees.mit.edu/lees/ultracapacitors.htm1 -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez
The guys in our boiler plant love that diesel smell...takes them back to their Navy days, I reckon...Full steam ahead! WD-40 takes me back to childhood, working on stuff with my Grandfather. I think WD40 should be made into a cologne! Eau de wd-forty? http://tinyurl.com/l9kyr On 5/30/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maybe something is wrong, but it could be the actual biodiesel smell -- I took my VW to a mechanic to have a wheel bearing replaced, and he complained about the biodiesel dripping on the floor of his shop and making it smell like french fries. Personally, if I have to open the fuel system up for anything, I try to make sure it's full of B100, because I can't stand the stench of diesel fuel -- not just when working with it, but for days afterwards, because I can't wash it off my hands. One of my Aunts said diesel smell turns her on, because her husband was a diesel mechanic for many years... I have to admit that the smell of two cycle gas engine smoke brings back fond memories of firewood cutting in the fall growing up. Even though the actual odor is anything but pleasant. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Late Night in US
On 5/23/06, Marylynn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What has me confused is just exactly who are these 29% and where are they hiding? The South! Though here in South Carolina, I see less and less W stickers by the week. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
This is a joke...Right? I mean, surely ExxonMobil doesn't think that we are ALL THIS DUMB, RIGHT? The (surreal) videos of the 2 commercials: http://streams.cei.org/ Backed by ExxonMobil. Denialists with a vested interest. Resources: About CEI:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institute Reuters: http://tinyurl.com/jfdcb -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
The article is REALLY one-sided. I'd like to know Stephen W. Hawking's opinion...Full text of the patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6024935.html or PDFhttp://www.freepatentsonline.com/6024935.pdfOn 5/16/06, MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bob, what do you think after reading this: http://www.cheniere.org/misc/mills.htm ??? Mike DuPreeSNIP-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water
Marty,It's Ebay versus MercExchange:http://tinyurl.com/rc56kOn 5/16/06, Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It's just a press release.Doesn't mean anything.Just something to get people to invest in the company.Brigid Quinn, replying to Park for the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office,said, We do not give patents on perpetual motion machines.That thispatent was granted means it met the criteria that it is new, useful, and non-obvious, and fully disclosed as to how it works.Never said that it's true and it works.Just because it meets thepatent offices requirements doesn't mean anything.Hell, what was thecompany that invented the Buy It Now button that Amazon is getting sued over.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Michael Hayden
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. George SantayanaW obviously got a lot of D's in History. Note that Gen. Hayden has bachelor's and master's degrees in HISTORY.How about a coupla reference photos? Haydenhttp://www.nsa.gov/gallery/photo/photo1.jpgHimmlerhttp://existo.ru/img/beasteary/himmler.jpg On 5/12/06, Anthony Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else noticed the remarkable physical similarity between GenralMichael Hayden and Heinrich Himmler.Similar work histories too-- Peace,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero
The sorta-official video from C-SPAN and Google: (Also Flash)http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879Also, you can go to http://thankyoustephencolbert.orgOn 5/11/06, Michael Gian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah, I saw, but I get an access denied message.Looking for an open link. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Keith AddisonSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:09 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero Anyone who finds a link to video and/or audio of the original please postitfor us.Colberrr is well on his way to becoming this 21st century's H.L. Menken,whowas the 20th century's S.L. Clemens.All masters of irony, thus the phrase rapier wit.MichaelD. Mindock posted it:I watched the two parts of the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_alladdress=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Dubya is seriouslyroasted. Peace, D. MindockThis is utterly amazing. Stephen Colbert is one brave truth-telling guy! I LOVE IT!!! Hooray for Helen Thomas, as well. I hope youenjoy, too. Thanks, Ellen! Now I've got to go watch thevideo...laughing all the way, jeanniep.s. I REALLY REALLY recommend watching the video at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_alladdress=364x1062761Democratic Underground. Please note there are two links, one for each of two parts.jbRe-Improved Colbert transcript (now with complete text ofColbert-Thomas video!)BestKeithsnip -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent:Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:49 PMTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Stephen Colbert: New American Hero http://www.alternet.org/story/36067/Stephen Colbert: New American HeroBy Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2006.When Colbert turned up the heat on Washington's elite, he revealed the big split between those basking in power and those fighting forchange.Virtually overnight, Stephen Colbert became a hero to countlessAmericans, following his April 30 performance at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner.Since then, millions of people have either watched the video or readthe transcript of his skewering of both the president and the presscorps, and have discussed it avidly. Tens of thousands of people have gone to the website ThankYouStephenColbert.com and written letters ofappreciation. Talk about water-cooler chatter; the event crashedinternet servers across the land. It truly was one of those moments of media shock and delight.And then, an odd but revealing thing happened. Some of the chatteringclass commentators, mainstream media writers and columnists, andDemocratic officials didn't get it: Not very funny, rude, not respectful of the president, and so on. Are they kidding? How couldthey not understand they were witnessing one of the bravest, mostsubversive performances in memory, which thrilled and gave hope to untold viewers and readers, and will be a huge marker when peoplelook back on the Bush era?Colbert's speech had a huge impact for two reasons: First, he spoketruth to power right to the face of the president, in front of the entire news media. No one could miss, sidestep or deny it. It wasn'ta scene from a movie, book or talk show -- it was live. It remindedme of Edward R. Murrow's famous address to the Radio and Television News Directors Association (recently depicted in the film Good Nightand Good Luck). It gave me goose bumps. Colbert's performance shamedevery Democrat or columnist who has been too afraid, too timid, or just too worried about losing his or her own power and access to goout on a limb and tell the truth that this administration is adisaster beyond our wildest nightmares. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove have gotten away with murder Š and worse. And many of the people inthat room that night who squirmed in their seats -- it was in partbecause of the internal indictment they were feeling for not doing what they should have done, countless times, long before. Maybe nowthey will do the right thing, but I won't be holding my breath.The second reason Colbert made such a huge splash is the rapid advance of video on the web. Almost overnight, the media world hasirrevocably changed as video is increasingly becoming as important asprint and still images on the web. When, in a matter of hours, dozens of websites can post or link to a video and get the word out about aspectacular event, the role of the gatekeepers and the corporatemedia shrinks big-time. And it doesn't matter if the networks or CNN or Fox decides that they don't want you to see it -- they can't stopit. The people's network is now in working order. Progressives nowhave a television capacity; still rudimentary, perhaps, but powerfully effective.The press leaksThe press coverage of the Colbert performance was illuminating, asreported by the popular blog, democratic underground:Expect nothing
Re: [Biofuel] JtF website?
do you mean journeytoforever.com? Which seems to be a Verio (registrar) home page. .org is working here, too. On 5/1/06, Johnathan Corgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Gian wrote: What happened to journeytoforever.org? Has it been hijacked? Working fine here @ 9:24AM PST. -Johnathan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol?
Joe, Funny you mention the satellite dish. I am gathering materials to build a small satellite dish solar concentrator. I am going to glue mylar to the surface of the dish and have a black pipe at the focal point to heat the working liquid. My guess is I'll have to figure out how to regulate flow and track the sun very well. What's the best source for a sun tracker? On 4/28/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago a guy up the street was out on a sunny day with a plastic fesnel lens that was about a meter long and 2/3 meter wide and he and his son were focusing the sun on about a 10cm sized spot on some asphault he had added to the end of his driveway. The asphault was smoking. I grabbed a twig and put it on the concrete curb stone and asked him to put the sun on it. He moved the spot to it and it burst into flame in a second! I have heard of people getting surplus C-band satellite dishes (the big ones) and glueing little peices of broken mirrors to the dish and putting a heat exchanger up at the dishes feedpoint. It needs to be aimed at the sun but it would be very powerful and dead cheap! Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Thanks Todd. It must have been 25 years ago that a friend was going to prepare lunch in a solar oven. The idea appealed to me at the time, but on a warm sunny day we watched and waited, and ended up having to fire up the grill. Solar ovens have apparently come a long way since then or you wouldn't be recommending them for regenerating zeolytes. I just Googled Solar Oven. Something about solar cooking still appeals to me, but I remain skeptical. In one part of a web page it says they quickly heat up to 360 -400F. In another part of the same site it says Superior Cooking is due to the slow even rise in temp. It's that slow rise in temp that concerns me. Are you referring to the same solar ovens (under $200 US) that can be used to cook food (and do they really work?) or is there some other, high tech version? Tom - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol? I came across molecular sieves while reading about ethanol purification, and was lead to believe (mistakenly?)that they can be regenerated by drying in the sun. The temp needed can be achieved in a solar oven. Todd Swearingen Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, Thanks for the reply. You wrote: 1. There is a significant energy input into regenerating the seives as well. You have to bake them at well over 100 degrees C more like 200, but you can get by with lower temps if you bake them out with vacuum. I came across molecular sieves while reading about ethanol purification, and was lead to believe (mistakenly?)that they can be regenerated by drying in the sun. Try putting a thermometer in your condenser and monitor vapour temperature to get a better endpoint and you will have an easier time. I don't know what this will tell me. What would I be looking for in terms of vapor temp? 3. I have some excellent references on solvent drying I can mail you if you want. No soft copy sorry but I might be able to scan them. I would appreciate them. I am in the early stages of planning ethanol ferment/distillation. If the permit is approved, I hope to start in the coming months. Thanks again, Tom - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2006 10:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Water in recovered methanol? 3A sieves will work but are normally used for getting tiny amounts of water out of solvents to bring them into the low ppm range. They will work of course but you might saturate them and have to do a second stage. There is a significant energy input into regenerating the seives as well. You have to bake them at well over 100 degrees C more like 200, but you can get by with lower temps if you bake them out with vacuum. Try putting a thermometer in your condenser and monitor vapour temperature to get a better endpoint and you will have an easier time. You have answered some of my own questions. I have recovered some methanol but not tried to use it yet. Sounds like if straight distillation is carefully done the methanol is dry enough to use without further drying. Great news and thanks for the post! :) I have some excellent references on solvent drying I can mail you if you want. No soft copy sorry but I might be able to scan them. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Good day to all, After splitting the glycerine coproduct from roughly 1200L of processed WVO, I distilled approximately 100L of the glycerine/methanol component. The first drops of methanol began to fall from the condenser at 145F. As the temp rose to 150F
Re: [Biofuel] Protest lyrics
Or Neil Young's www.neilyoung.com new song: Lyrics for Let's Impeach the President Let's impeach the president for lying And leading our country into war Abusing all the power that we gave him And shipping all our money out the door He's the man who hired all the criminals The White House shadows who hide behind closed doors And bend the facts to fit with their new stories Of why we have to send our men to war Let's impeach the president for spying On citizens inside their own homes Breaking every law in the country By tapping our computers and telephones What if Al Qaeda blew up the levees Would New Orleans have been safer that way Sheltered by our government's protection Or was someone just not home that day? Let's impeach the president For hijacking our religion and using it to get elected Dividing our country into colors And still leaving black people neglected Thank god he's cracking down on steroids Since he sold his old baseball team There's lot of people looking at big trouble But of course the president is clean Thank God On 4/27/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Touche! I have the Perfect Circle CD and it also has a version of the Fiddle and the Drum which I like. Mike Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Redler; So long as were quoting song lyrics apropos to the times and all of Bush's crap, how about these from Mark Knopfler I am Just an aging drummer boy and in the wars I used to play, and I've called a tune to many a torchin' session. Now they say I am a war criminal and I'm fading away, Father please hear my confession. I have legalized robbery and called it belief, I have run with the money, I have hid like a theif, Re-written history with my armies and my crooks, Invented memories; I did burn all the books. And I can still here his laughter and I can still hear his songthe man's to big, the man's too strong. Joe BTW have you seen the new version of 'Imagine' by lennon redone by A Perfec Circle? http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2664613?htv=12 Brings a whole new meaning to the song and it's strange and erie how the lyrics work that way ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil?
In addition, if you look at the world coal reserves, link here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/coal.html The top 5 are: 1 US 2 Russia 3 China 4 India 5 Australia On 4/26/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain the unsustainable. The governor of Montana is currently touting coal liquification (and throwing in clean coal buzz words all the while), ethanol plants utilize coal for process, thereby indirectly converting coal to liquids. I agree, Bob. The countries consuming the most are the ones that would benefit the most from CTL technologies. the environment be damned, full speed ahead. Jason Katie wrote: i'd be happy to buy a diesel, but no way in hell will it run on coal-base. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of oil? We used to buy diesel cars in the US, but they were never too popular. Hakan Falk wrote: LOL! US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles. So instead of dependance of foreign oil, US will be dependent of foreign autos, but it is a large improvement of the situation anyway. Diesel engines 30% more efficient with smaller autos 50% more efficient and US will be at the level of Europeans. By the way, where is the freedom cars? On the streets of Europe! After this, US maybe even discover biodiesel. Hakan At 23:10 25/04/2006, you wrote: WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING.. http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.htmlhttp://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html That's sarcasm folks... Joe Mike Weaver wrote: Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you feel? *snif* Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at best and pretty delusional at worst. How long will it take (and cost) to get all this whiz bang stuff going? There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy is doomed. Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next phase. Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to continue to climb and climb. They also make the sweeping statement that the World is not about to run out of oil. The world WILL NEVER run out of oil. There just WON'T BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are. I'm sure there will alwasy be a trickle ot two... Weaver Michael Redler wrote: Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists: They concede to: The rising costs of oil exploration The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of newly discovered oil to replenish it. At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay the peak. They also make the sweeping statement that the World is not about to run out of oil. What does about mean and when will they have the foresight to see the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More importantly, who is the World and when are they going to count countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil. What a bunch of crap! Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you. Mike */Mike Weaver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506 ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] distilling fuel/reactant ethanol
After thinking about this and searching the archives... Anyone actually doing this? What is the minimun amount of castor oil per volume of water/ethanol solution to be effective? Are there any applications where the castor/ethanol solution could be burned directly? i.e. in an diesel/gasoline(RUG) engine, heater, etc. mixed with RUG, BD? Will the castor/ethanol mix with RUG, since it has very low water? Will it mix well with diesel or biodiesel. ...thinking out loud. On 4/23/06, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jason and Kate, the reason for this is simple. The castor oil (unlike most other vegetable oils) is ethanol soluble. This means that most other oils will not do the trick. With best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] distilling fuel/reactant ethanol i pulled a paper from the library describing separating ethanol from water using castor oil. can this be done using any kind of oil, or are their certain characteristics of the oil not described in the paper? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioPerformance
Hi Darryl! Funny thing is, I just noticed this email in my SPAM folder... I have to say that it is the first time I've ever seen a phone number listed on one of these spammers, oh, I mean shamsters' emails. I particularly like how they've co-opted the BP brand name to sell their product and try to add legitimacy. I can't wait for the lawsuit. But, you, YES YOU can sell their gas tank suppositories, too! Only $500 and you can Spam your friends and neighbors! Be part of the newest pyramid scheme! Needless to say, I don't get that warm, fuzzy feeling from their website...I get that, I need a shower now feeling. On 4/19/06, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am such a miserable curmudgeon. I mean, how could I possibly be suspicious of this spam e-mail that has arrived in my in-box three times in three days? *Bio*Performance after all! Has to be great! The website has lots of green lettering on it. Testimonials. Possible savings of 10% to 25% on fuel costs, gasoline or diesel - doesn't matter. For just $7 worth of pills (plus shipping and taxes), I could save up $10 or more on a tankful of fuel! What a deal! This stuff is even better than magnets. (By the way, still no takers on my blind A-B-A magnets testing offer.) Odd though, I can't find the money-back guarantee on my fuel savings, just lots of caveats about how I have to use the stuff consistently, and savings may not be evident until after I have used lots of the pills, or the powder if the pills don't work. Must be an oversight. That and the lack of third-party, documented testing. But the reduced emissions are justification enough (hmmm, another oversight - those aren't documented either). I mean, this stuff is based on enzymes AND Brownian motion! And according the the e-mail, it's practically patriotic for Americans to use this stuff and reduce their oil consumption. What a breakthrough, and just when America needs it - it's practically a miracle! Probably works twice as well with biodiesel, I mean with *Bio*Performance and *bio*diesel, it would have to, right? I suppose I ought to be fair and not prejudge them. So, does anyone have any knowledge of this product or company that would indicate this is not a scam? On a lighter note, I got to transplant raspberries today (they keep trying to migrate south) - very uplifting. Two weeks ago it was winter, now it's summer, 21 degrees C outside, over 50 in the greenhouse. Better green in the yard than green with envy over Robert's climate. The garden's drying out - it's all I can do to resist seeding it right now. Have to do a little refit on the solar water heater instead, and get it set up for the season. Darryl Original Message Subject: Save 25% on Gas Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:01 -0400 From: Adrian Herritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Bio Performance To: vehicle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tired of rising gas prices? BioPerformance can help! You can save up to .50 cents a gallon, and make money while doing it - with moderate to no effort. We want to introduce to you a revolutionary new product that is going to enable us to make an impact in the effort to reduce this country's dependency on foreign oil. Recently, in the state of the union address, President Bush discussed how this country is too dependent on foreign oil sources and how we need to develop a means to reduce this dependency. And BioPerformance Fuel is here! BioPerformance Fuel will have no negative impact on or cause internal damage to our vehicles. This product is merely a catalyst that lowers the flashpoint of our fuel, which allows for easier ignition. It will in turn, because of dispersant quality, enable fuel to burn more efficiently. This will provide a more complete combustion cycle, resulting in fewer emissions expelled from our exhaust systems. Ultimately it will take less fuel to create the horsepower necessary to operate our engines. It only makes sense that our vehicles will use less fuel and create a better environment to be passed on to future generations. BioPerformance Fuel can be beneficial for use in our vehicles and equipment. It raises both detergent and lubrication qualities of our fuel to further assist in preventing fuel system failures. And BioPerformance Inc. guarantees the use of BioPerformance Fuel to be safe for use in any internal combustion engine. We are very excited to extend an offer of opportunity as well! BioPerformance offers distributorship to those interested in working with an experienced online personal marketing team - useful for creating residual income either working part-time or full-time. Our team has conference calls, scripts, websites, 3 way calling, a line right to a marketing person to help explain PPC advertising as well as other internet marketing strategies. If you are interested we can sign you up and get you access to our tools and advertising
Re: [Biofuel] Nettle Juice
Hi Robert! On 4/18/06, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone! We've been intending to harvest wild stinging nettles for awhile now, but it's been rainy for the last week and we haven't gone for a walk uphill where the nettles grow. This morning, however, my sweetheart and I managed to find some time. We collected a grocery bag full of nettle tips (we only harvest the tender parts at the end of the plant stems, just before the flowers come out), which is roughly enough for one family sized serving. After blanching, nettles are tender and absolutely delicious! I like the flavor better than spinach, which I prefer raw, and any recipe that calls for spinach basically tastes better with nettles. However, every time my sweetheart blanches the nettles, we're left with a very dark green tea. I'd hate to throw this down the drain, but I don't REALLY want to drink it, either. (It tastes disgusting, and even my cats won't touch it!) Am I better to water my plants with this, or should I just put it on my compost pile. Any advice? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ It's full of nutrients and that would make any plant happy. quoted from: http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/Organics/CompostMulch/CompostTea/OtherTeas.htm Herbal Tea These include plant-based extracts from plants such as stinging nettle, horse tail, comfrey, and clover. A common method is to stuff a barrel about three-quarters full of fresh green plant material, then top off the barrel with tepid water. The tea is allowed to ferment at ambient temperatures for 3 to 10 days. The finished product is strained, then diluted in proportions of 1:10 or 1:5 and used as a foliar spray or soil drench. Herbal teas provide a supply of soluble nutrients as well as bioactive plant compounds. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officialsoflyingabout 9/11
D. I'm not being a naysayer, the conspiracy theory may have legs, but all this creates many more questions for me...Reasonable doubt is exactly what they would want to create All this is circumstantial and we need hard evidence. Witnesses. Receipts. Black boxes. Presidential briefings. VICE Presidential briefings. Lewis Libby really, really drunk. For the WTC Towers and #7 to be wired for explosives would be a HUGE project requiring a LOT of time and workers in those buildings for weeks. Where are those workers? Where is the company that carried it out? There are only a few skyscraper demo companies. No one saw them? From whom did they order the wire? Who drove the truck? I saw a show on the Discovery Channel about why the towers fell and they had a lot of footage of engineers studying the steel in the special yard it was taken to in New Jersey. There was a HUGE operation 24/7 sifting through the rubble finding personal effects and bone/tissue fragments. The engineers and architects investigating why they fell had cut out huge pieces of steel and had them in their offices. The conclusion of the TV show was that the insulation covering the steel was blown off by the impact and explosion of the airplanes, and caused the buckling of the steel. I can't find a summary of the TV show, but here is the featured MIT guy with good explanation: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html And a transcript of his NOVA interview: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse2.html No, mention of WTC7...FEMA surely bumbled the investigation and it did fall precisely. My guess is that the 'earthquake' following the WTC towers collapse weakened the building and the fire fueled by diesel caused buckling in the middle of the building, but there is not enough reliable evidence to make a determination. I can't remember the exact quote, but there is no need to attribute to evil what can adequately be explained by stupidity. One day we will know the truth...Hopefully one day it will all add up. On 4/10/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/jones/StevenJones.html Basically the planes were not enough to do the collapse alone. They needed help. WRT having to have the planes hit at the exact level where there would be charges, not necessary. The upper few stories wouldn't need any but maybe they were there, just in case. Just put the charges at all the floors below. Demolition wiring is sophisticated enough to initiate the charges at the level where each plane hit to make it look like the plane's impact/fire started the pancaking. WRT to the steel beams being quickly hauled off for scrap, normally there is an investigation by the fire marshall. He would've wanted to see those beams. A lot can be learned. At a minimum, how the beams failed. Were they twisted or warped. Any signs of melting. Etc. Hauling the beams off so that no post mortem of the building could be accomplished is, in effect, destroying evidence. Also what caused the concrete to turn into powder? There was huge amounts of concrete dust. Concrete doesn't normally powderize. Peace, D. Mindock Another unanswered question: why were the massive steel beams quickly gathered up and ship off for scrap? Is it because the beams might've shown that they were torn apart by If you have been down to ground Zero you will notice there is no room to store the debris from a fraction of one tower let alone keep all the steel for investigation. Does the steel get stored at whose cost while they are trying to locate people? I personally would not even look at the steel other than a hindrance to rescue work and get it out of there as fast as I could to ease the rescue congestion work. massive explosive charges? BTW, it's believed that the charges were set off just as the floor above was just about to hit the floor below. Then this sequence was repeated all the way down to the last floor. Doing this would create the nice domino effect and make it appear that each floor was being crushed by the weight of the floors above. It would make a free fall effect and not cause the building to go beyond its footprint. Remember how quickly the towers collapsed? In 15 seconds the entire tower was down after the initial charges were set off. So the aircraft was not a massive explosive device?? Had no effect on the structure at all?? did not change any of the steel characteristics?? It was all done with carefully placed explosives. I seem to remember the top floors staying intact for several seconds and the lower floors where impact occurred collapsing first? This if charges were laid would mean that the plane would need to be upon the exact floor of the explosives not one floor above or below other wise the whole charge progression would be out of time sequence??? They fell down at free fall
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
Riight...I prefer to not be in that 'us' either. If any human is pure evil, he's the one. Mike M., Please refer to this sticker for the proper spelling of the Viceroy's name: http://www.cafepress.com/misterw.25066757 On 4/9/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You and 18% of the country... Terry Wilhelm wrote: Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* Terry Wilhelm */Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would appreciate some of them. And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror terror. Mike McGinness Great Bumper Stickers for 2006DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST -- HALF OF AMERICABLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISMIF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTIONIF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR ITSUPPORT OUR TROOPS; IMPEACH BUSHAT LEAST IN VIETNAM, BUSH HAD AN EXIT STRATEGYSEND THE TWINSPOVERTY, HEALTHCARE HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUESSUPPORT OUR TROOPS; BRING THEM HOME NOW!BUSH LIED, AND YOU KNOW IT! RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME GOD BLESS EVERYONE (No exceptions)BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WARTIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND -- William Shakespeare (King Lear)THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY -- Benjamin Franklin PRO AMERICA, ANTI BUSHWHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? SHUT UP AND SHIP OUTFEEL SAFER NOW?I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERALMY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCEIS IT 2008 YET?DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM -- Thomas JeffersonDON'T BLAME ME.I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE!NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED OF COURSE IT HURTS. YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; THINK FOR YOURSELFVISUALIZE IMPEACHMENTHEY BUSH! WHERE'S BIN LADEN?GEORGE W. BUSH: MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM WHERE ARE WE GOING? AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACYCORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTIONDON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOMSTEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFEHATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONHONOR OUR TROOPS; DEMAND THE TRUTHREBUILD IRAQ? WHY NOT SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA?FACT: BUSH OIL 1999 - $19 BARREL 2006 - $70 BARRELTHE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS, PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKEI'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANTHOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
[Biofuel] Huge Methanol Cloud in Deep Space
Now, if they could just find a cloud of lye and another of fatty acids...BTW that's 288 Billion Miles long...Beeelleeeons and Beeelleeeons... Huge alcohol cloud spotted http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_1910219,00.html Paris - Astronomers say they have spotted a cloud of alcohol in deep space that measures 463 billion kilometres across, a finding that could shed light on how giant stars are formed from primordial gas. The vast bridge-shaped cloud of methyl alcohol has been spotted in a region of our galaxy, the Milky Way, that is called W3(OH), where stars are being formed by the gravitational collapse of concentrations of gas and dust, the discoverers said in a press release. Methanol, an organic (carbon-based) molecule, is a cousin of ethanol, which is found in alcoholic beverages. Methanol is not suitable for human consumption. The cloud was spotted by astronomers based at Britain's Jodrell Bank Observatory led by Lisa Harvey-Smith. Their work was to be presented on Tuesday at a meeting in Leicester, central England, of the Royal Astronomical Society (RAS). In 2004, methanol, also called methyl alcohol, was spotted for the first time in one of the disk-like clusters that form around nascent stars. That discovery opened up a new area of debate in astrophysics, challenging the conventional view that interstellar chemistry could not provide the conditions for creating complex molecules, as they would be ripped apart by ultraviolet radiation from stars and other tough conditions. About 130 organic molecules have also been identified so far in outer space, fuelling speculation that these complex molecules may have helped to sow the seeds for life on the fledgling Earth. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Doctor Doom?!
Dr. Pianka says he would never advocate genocide or extermination like some suggest he does. UT Professor Clearing The Record On Speech http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=4720390 On 4/4/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reduce the over utilization by the 20% of world population, will have the same effect and without killing anyone. Given how fiercely we (americans) defend our rediculous lifestyle, I wonder how many of the Americans who use an inordinate amount of resources would consider reducing their consumption to be just as bad as being killed... I mean, if we are willing to give up freedom in the name of fighting terrorism, do you really expect us to give up comfort in the name of survival? On 4/4/06, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is stupid, because it assumes that the use of the world resources have a linear relationship to the world population. The reality is that it would have the same effect if we only got rid of the Americans and only around 300 million of them. This mirror the extreme imbalance in use of resources. Because of this, it is not necessary to take any extreme measure as suggested. With growing lack of resources, it will not be enough for the industrialized countries to continue the extreme over consumption and they will have to adopt to a lower level. That would also stabilize the resource utilization at an uniform level over the current world population, close to the suggested for sustainability. This means hat the goal of reduction can be met with conservation and efficiency, which is a much nicer outcome than some sort of Nazi theory of the survival of the superior and their footprint. We already know that the current situation and imbalances are crazy from many point of views. Reduce the over utilization by the 20% of world population, will have the same effect and without killing anyone. Hakan At 18:43 04/04/2006, you wrote: Did anybody know about this here? cracy enough to come out of Texas forewardet by Fritz 31 March 2006 Meeting Doctor Doom Forrest M. Mims III Copyright 2006 by Forrest M. Mims III. Recently citizen scientist Forrest Mims told me about a speech he heard at the Texas Academy of Science during which the speaker, a world-renowned ecologist, advocated for the extermination of 90 percent of the human species in a most horrible and painful manner. Apparently at the speaker's direction, the speech was not video taped by the Academy and so Forrest's may be the only record of what was said. Forrest's account of what he witnessed chilled my soul. Astonishingly, Forrest reports that many of the Academy members present gave the speaker a standing ovation. To date, the Academy has not moved to sanction the speaker or distance itself from the speaker's remarks. If the professional community has lost its sense of moral outrage when one if their own openly calls for the slow and painful extermination of over 5 billion human beings, then it falls upon the amateur community to be the conscience of science. Forrest, who is a member of the Texas Academy and chairs its Environmental Science Section, told me he would be unable to describe the speech in The Citizen Scientist because he has protested the speech to the Academy and he serves as Editor of The Citizen Scientist . Therefore, to preclude a possible conflict of interest, I have directed Forrest to describe what he observed and his reactions in this special feature, for which I have served as editor and which is being released a week ahead of our normal publication schedule. Comments may be sent to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Backscatter . Shawn Carlson, Ph.D., Founder and Executive Director, http://www.sas.org/Society for Amateur Scientists. There is always something special about science meetings. The 109th meeting of the http://www.texasacademyofscience.org/Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont on 3-5 March 2006 was especially exciting for me, because a student and his professor presented the results of a DNA study I suggested to them last year. How fulfilling to see the baldcypress ( Taxodium distichum ) leaves we collected last summer and my tree ring photographs transformed into a first class scientific presentation that's nearly ready to submit to a scientific journal (Brian Iken and Dr. Deanna McCullough, Bald Cypress of the Texas Hill Country: Taxonomically Unique? 109th Meeting of the Texas Academy of Science Program and Abstracts [ http://www.texasacademyofscience.org/2006_tas_program.pdfPDF ], Poster P59, p. 84, 2006). But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Hear about the Coyotes running around in NYC's Central Park? Hal, the coyote, in Central Park http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/sunday_review/14186236.htm I disagree that it's a problem, but of course the cops had to chase him for 3+ days...Don't worry there are more...It wasn't just Wile E Coyote that was wily, they all are. I do agree with Keith that we all live in nature whether it's an asphalt jungle or the Amazon basin. The town I live in (Summerville, SC) is a suburban jungle, where many people have gardens, chickens and goats. I can walk to a horse or cow pasture in 5 minutes. There are foxes and rabbits living among us. The bunnies especially like to hide in all the Azaleas. Not that we don't have Walmart and mcmansions, but I think we've always been a green town. We have coyotes in South Carolina because they've gone nationwide. http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/coyote/index.html and I'm sure I've seen several. As well as Carolina Dogs or The American Dingo http://www.carolinadogs.com/ which are amazing dogs. A friend of mine found one and he later realized that he was a carolina dog. On 4/1/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. Not very. Remember the ex-convict in Shawshanks Redemption who couldn't take freedom and hanged himself? Are you suggesting we should accept limitations like this? Or even take due account of it in our own lives, or in our efforts to build a more sustainable world? This what we're talking about, remember: Actually there are already plans to cultivate grass as energy fuel. But dedicated cultivation is not always the best solution. I mean, if we can simply harvest grass from waste land or unoccupied land, that will be making good use of waste! In nature there is no such thing as waste, that's a human invention and it doesn't have much of a future. Are we going to risk denuding or destroying any land we might happen to think is not useful to us in our cocoons? I like living in nature a bit more (now that spring is here, I'm moving out of my rented place in town, and back up to my school bus in the mountains near the creek). But I know alot of people who can't stand being deprived of running water, central heating, flush toilets, etc It's sort of funny seeing the city people who move up to Ward (a rather odd mountain town here, where half the houses still don't have running water, though most have grid electricity), and run screaming back to town within a few months :) Jumping in at the deep end isn't the best way for everyone, they might do better with a few swimming lessons first. It's not easy to change your ways when it's what you've been used to all your life, but it's not impossible either. Maybe the people you talk of had foolish dreams of Arcadia, but would you say the impetus behind the dream is foolish? Same as yours, isn't it? They went about it wrong, that's all. Z On 3/31/06, Rexis Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I somehow disagree that we human being as a part of the biosphere, most human have to live in their own human biosphere where they will remove everything that irritates them. They're just going to have to learn, because it's not just them, their choices have a negative impact on others and on everybody. If you throw a city person into a jungle, how long he could survive! Long ago I sometimes used to ask myself that about people, when it seemed an apt question. There's a region in South Africa called the Wild Coast, well named, you could lose an army there. I'd ask myself how long this person would last if you dumped them in the middle of the Wild Coast by helicopter and just left them there with nothing. I knew it was a very unfair question, why should anyone have to pass such a test? It told me quite a lot about them though, but in a few cases my answer of 10 minutes or whatever was quite wrong, those people turned out to be much more capable than they at first appeared, more capable than they themselves knew. But some of the tough ones went down. You never can tell. Just like you put a wild animal in the middle of the city. There are plenty of wild animals living happily in the middle of cities. Nature doesn't just stop at the city borders, it goes straight through. It doesn't stop at your skin either. Most of us are not that compatible with the nature. Most of the people in the world now still live closer to nature than not, they never left it in the first place, and most of them don't want to leave it either, they usually have to be forced (impoverished or dispossessed). Nature isn't just all that green stuff out there full of inconvenience and other wild beasts, it's the nature of everything, including you. If you're a stranger to nature you're a stranger to yourself. How many gardeners and city farmers in your city? Are there any movements to green your city? Rooftop gardens are excellent and they
Re: [Biofuel] Citgo Hugo Chavez
Note also that CITGO the corporation owns exactly zero gas stations in the USA. They are all franchised to Mom and Pop's, as well as regional/national chains, so boycotting CITGO stations hurts mainly the Americans that own the stations. On 3/31/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Citgo runs the gas station at the Pentagon PX. True Story. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Funny that they implicitly assume that by including Cindy Sheehan, it will strengthen their case -- as if she is bad too. Such stupidity. But I found out that there is a group protesting at military funerals, claiming that IEDs are God's way of punishing America for tolerating homesexuality. Odd that God shows his displeasure by killing hetersexuals, since we don't allow gays in the military... -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SPAM[Level 5.7]: Build Your Own Dragons
I'm hoping that's April Fool's sillinessright? BTW here are the top 100 for those playing along at home: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/aprilfool/ On 3/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds to me as if the Economist has rejuvenated the New Scientist's Ariadne of old. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Kirk McLoren wrote: There is GM and then there is GM Kirk Build Your Own Dragons Here be dragons Mar 30th 2006 | SAN MELITO From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/science/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=6740040CFID=78583140CFTOKEN=39f9741-109e11f6-1292-4b21-93bb-7a3672e4ced1 With luck, you may soon be able to buy a mythological pet PAOLO FRIL, chairman and chief scientific officer of GeneDupe, based in San Melito, California, is a man with a dream. That dream is a dragon in every home. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Time Magazine - Special Report on Global Warming
Okay, I normally don't read Time magazine, but they are publishing a Special Report on Global Warming. I know it's boiled down, but it is also very mainstream. Are we soon going to have a critical mass of people realize that we are on the downslope? Oh yeah, probably not...Hooray America! Where the dumb lead the blind! Be Worried, be very worried. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/26/coverstory/index.html www.time.com On 3/28/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Charles Hi all I am currently beginning processing WVO into biodiesel to use in my home heating. I have a furnace designed specifically for diesel fuel and I would like to know if anyone has any experience of using biodiesel in such a furnace and if there are any problems they've come across. Also since it's just a combustion chamber, will I be able to get away with mixing some (20%?) WVO in with my biodiesel in my tank, and just cleaning my injectors each year? Home heating http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_heaters.html#homeheat Just also wanted to share my excitement at making my first 1l batch from WVO- processed well and the third wash is crystal clear! Well done! Definitely a special thrill, and a wonderful sense of discovery with it. All the jaded old-timers around here envy you. :-) Keep going! Best Keith Regards Charles List ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com
I can hear Waylon now...Just two good old boys, never meanin' no harm...Beats all you never saw, been in trouble with the lawSince the day they was born.Straightenin' the curves, flattenin' the hills... Someday the mountain might get 'em but the law never will.Makin' their way, the only way they know how...That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.Just two good ol' boys, wouldn't change if they could, Fightin' the system like two modern-day Robin Hoods...Maybe ethanol is for you... Gregg Davidson wrote: Polk County, Georgia. It's in the NW part of the state. Definitely the home of Closed Minded thinking when it comes to Biodiesel. */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Regular Unleaded Gas... Jeeez, where do you live? -- Thanks,Paul in South CarolinaHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchYou can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com
YEEE-HAW!Kinda makes you wonder how many vehicles run on moonshine ethanol in rural areas under the radar.On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A '66 Charger running on ethanol?Paul S Cantrell wrote: I can hear Waylon now... Just two good old boys, never meanin' no harm... Beats all you never saw, been in trouble with the law Since the day they was born. Straightenin' the curves, flattenin' the hills... Someday the mountain might get 'em but the law never will. Makin' their way, the only way they know how... That's just a little bit more than the law will allow. Just two good ol' boys, wouldn't change if they could, Fightin' the system like two modern-day Robin Hoods... Maybe ethanol is for you... Gregg Davidson wrote:Polk County, Georgia. It's in the NW part of the state. Definitely the home of Closed Minded thinking when it comes to Biodiesel. */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Regular Unleaded Gas... Jeeez, where do you live? -- Thanks, Paul in South Carolina He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Mike, I didn't know you were a Scientologist! Wink wink nudge nudge...I'd never accuse my worst enemy of that!I prefer online church: http://churchoffools.com On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches.robert luis rabello wrote:Mike Weaver wrote:Sorry, dude.You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right.You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend.Wanna come upand hear me talk about environmental stewardship? robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchYou can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com
Andrew, If you search the archives for DSE or Diesel Secret you will get ample discusions of it. The repeated consensus has been that it's BUNK. On 3/27/06, Andrew Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I recently clicked through an ad to http://www.dieselsecret.com/ that claims to enable you to make an alternative diesel fuel from vegetable oil - not biodiesel, and with no conversion. It sounds simple enough, take vegetable oil (virgin or used), add their Alternative Diesel Fuel Additive (supposedly a catalyst of some sort), filter, and use. Obviously, if they have something worthwhile I'd like to know about it. Just as obviously, if they're selling something that is less than ideal for diesel engines, I'd like to know that too. Has anyone on the list tried what they're selling, good or bad? Anyone with a chemistry background care to hazard a guess as to what their additive might be? Regards, Andrew Netherton -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com
RUG = Regular Unleaded Gasoline Regarding methanol etc...just tell them you have a hot rod honda that you race. On 3/27/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, This isn't one of those too good to be true things is it? I've had to forgo biodiesel production due to all the meth heads causing problems with getting some of the components. I have about 55 gallons of WVO I'd like to convert into fuel for my Liberty, but because of the local situation, I'm erring on the side of caution. The logical thing would be to talk to the local law enforcement just as a courtesey, but logic is thrown out the window in my neck of the woods. By the way, what is RUG? Sincerely, Gregg Davidson Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Andrew, it's true. I myself have made a pile of money off of it and am now running a huge fleet of trucks on DSE. Nah, it's the same as blending - 80% filtered veg oil, 6% RUG and 14% Iso (change formula depending on who you believe) There is a ton on stuff on the web on blending. You can google for more. -Mike Andrew Netherton wrote: Greetings, I recently clicked through an ad to http://www.dieselsecret.com/ that claims to enable you to make an alternative diesel fuel from vegetable oil - not biodiesel, and with no conversion. It sounds simple enough, take vegetable oil (virgin or used), add their Alternative Diesel Fuel Additive (supposedly a catalyst of some sort), filter, and use. Obviously, if they have something worthwhile I'd like to know about it. Just as obviously, if they're selling something that is less than ideal for diesel engines, I'd like to know that too. Has anyone on the list tried what they're selling, good or bad? Anyone with a chemistry background care to hazard a guess as to what their additive might be? Regards, Andrew Netherton ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Microbes in BD
Tom, It's all those little mad cows swimming around ;-) Seriously, have you tried treating the 'innoculated' jar with the anti-microbial to see if it clears up? Or, try a third jar that is innoculated and treated with anti-microbial? Is there a microbiologist on the list? On 3/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I suspect I have microbes in my recent batches of BD. After washing, I drained the BD and allowed it to settle. After a few days I noticed a whispy sediment on the bottom of the containers of fuel. I gave the batch another wash and cleaned my 5 gal. settling containers. The wash water was clear, but again the whispy sediment appeared after a few days. My next batch seemed to wash very well, but again, a whispy sediment can be observed after the BD is drained and allowed to settle. I brought a sample of the sediment to a local high school. We prepared a stained slide and observed a multitude of tiny uniformly-shaped spheres at 400X. I put 1 drop of the sediment in a glass jar w. 250ml of clear, uncontaminated BD and put 250ml of the same clear BD in an identical glass jar (control). Less than 24 hrs. later the innoculated jar is slightly cloudy w. a very fine sediment on the bottom and the control jar continues to be clear. - I started using WVO that includes some tallow. I noticed a post from JJN on 3/17/06 Re: Tallow: I am treating all my bio with both an anti fungal and anti oxidant treatment since I use tallow alot. 1. Any thoughts/similar experience? 2. If it's microbes of some sort, should I treat the fuel w. a diesel anti-microbial and then filter it? Will a 10 micron filter remove these critters? 3. If microbes are present, do I have to be concerned w. metabolic byproducts screwing up the fuel? 4. If not microbes, what's the whispy stuff? Thanks, Tom -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What Does Zero Waste Really Mean?
On 3/17/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Paul Palmer is the author of Getting to Zero Waste{1} (Sebastopol,
Calif.: Purple Sky Press, 2004; ISBN 0-976057-0-7).
I'll add this book to my list. BTW, the ISBN is actually 0976057107
Right after Cradle to Cradle:
http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm
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Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
Or for that matter, an off-peak plug-in hybrid.On 3/9/06, Andrew Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investmentif they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America.Andrew NethertonOn 3/9/06, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Research Shows Only two out Six Hybrid Cars Recoup Cost Within 5 Years http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1141917443.news Yonkers, NY - Consumer Reports is revising the cost analysisin a story that examines the ownership costs and financial benefits associated with hybrid cars. The story, titled The dollars and sense of hybrids, appears in the Annual AprilAuto issue of CR, on newsstands now. Consumer Reports is correcting a calculation error involvingthe depreciation for the six hybrid vehicles that, in the story, were compared to their conventionally poweredcounterparts. The error led the publication to overstate how much extra money the hybrids will cost owners duringthe first five years. full article http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1141917443.news Get your daily alternative energy newsAlternate Energy Resource Network1000+ news sources-resourcesupdated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - Steven Wright ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Other people's countries
I think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick Cheney.Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I think everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being president.He's already increased the power of the Vice President to unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, shooting a guy in the face etc...Maybe next year when the Dems take over both houses of Congress.THROW THE BUMS OUT!All joking aside, I really think that both Bush and Cheney have committed impeachable offenses. On 3/2/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith,Youwrote:Quite a few people are thinking it will be very annoying if Americans impeach their president because he was spying on them (what a big surprise!) rather than have him and the whole bunch of them prosecuted for war crimes, and it might not accomplish much either except business as usual. But it's business as usual that has to change, which means US foreign policy over the last 60 years, for starters. I respectfully disagree that citizens both inside and outside the US have to settle for either impeachment or a war crimes conviction. It's about two sets of laws and justice toward both.Animpeachment mayincorporate a prison sentence. However, it's usedmostly as a mechanism for removing a president from officeand might actually help facilitate a war crimes trial if successful. Although I'm not a constitutional lawyer, I think it's also possible to impeach a president for waging a war which was not an act of self defense, making impeachment and a war crimes trial somewhat related.My attempt at Possible Articles of Impeachment for George W. Bush: In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: 1.) He willfully violated the fourth amendment protecting it's citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures.2.) He proceeded with a declaration of war without consulting Congress and providing proof that the United States was in Imminent danger.3.) Deceived Congress by providing fabricated evidence of an eminent threat to the United States....etc, etc, etc.I would like to see all the laws of the land(s) levied against him and none left unenforced. As for as the last 60 years is concerned, I agree! Wilsonian doctrine has been extended and enhanced (convoluted) to the point that it puts the entire World in danger. I'm reminded of how close we were to having an entire hemisphere destroyed by US imperialismwith one Russian name. Vasili Arkhipov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Alexandrovich_Arkhipov Will we have another Vasili Arkipov to save us from people like Bush in the future? Mike-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe should avoid modifying the constitution in response to cyclical changes in American public opinion. - Jimmy Carter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nissan banks on new transmission to compete in hybrid auto market
Honda is offering a CVT on its hybrid Insight and Civic. Not on the Accord.Toyota's Prius and Highlander also use a CVT. It's on the Lexus hybrid, too.Sounds like the Japanese company that is years-behind in gasoline-electric hybrids is trying to enter the market with hype. Maybe if they chose something that was actually novel in a production vehicle like a diesel-electric hybrid or a gasoline-electric hybrid that was flex fuel they might sell a few. On 2/26/06, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140968199.news Nissan Banks on New Transmission to Compete in Hybrid Auto Market Nissan Motor Co. President Carlos Ghosn thinks that consumersshouldn't have to pay high prices for hybrid vehicles only tonot get any value back in lowering their costs once they buy one.Instead, Goshn's banking on CTVs, which stands for Continuously variable transmissions.more http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140968199.news Get your daily alternative energy newsAlternate Energy Resource Network1000+ news sources-resourcesupdated dailyhttp://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Gridhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/Alternative Energy Politicshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe should avoid modifying the constitution in response to cyclical changes in American public opinion. - Jimmy Carter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nissan banks on new transmission to compete in hybrid auto market
Mike,Here's a pretty good explanation sans hybrid:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/cvt.htmMore fuel efficient than 'automatic' transmissions, but still less efficient than manual. The Honda Insight gets 57 city and 56 hiway with a CVT, or 60/66 with a 5 spd.I wonder what the Prius (60/51 with CVT) could get with a 5 spd...source = fueleconomy.gov On 2/27/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't ironic.There is(was?) a lot of innovation comingfrom Japan and especially Honda. I agree Paul. I was hoping for more.Maybethe bigger ambitions leave you guessing for a while, until they finally unveil them. ...lets hope so.By the way, if anyone has thescheme for their CVT, I'd really like to see it.MikePaul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honda is offering a CVT on its hybrid Insight and Civic. Not on the Accord.Toyota's Prius and Highlander also use a CVT. It's on the Lexus hybrid, too.Sounds like the Japanese company that is years-behind in gasoline-electric hybrids is trying to enter the market with hype. Maybe if they chose something that was actually novel in a production vehicle like a diesel-electric hybrid or a gasoline-electric hybrid that was flex fuel they might sell a few. On 2/26/06, AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140968199.news Nissan Banks on New Transmission to Compete in Hybrid Auto Market Nissan Motor Co. President Carlos Ghosn thinks that consumers shouldn't have to pay high prices for hybrid vehicles only tonot get any value back in lowering their costs once they buy one.Instead, Goshn's banking on CTVs, which stands for Continuously variable transmissions.more http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1140968199.news ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe should avoid modifying the constitution in response to cyclical changes in American public opinion. - Jimmy Carter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What?s up with George Monbiot?!
Mike,Have you shared your thoughts withe Guardian? Or, on Mr. Monbiot's website?Apparently, showing him the error of his ways doesn't stop him but emboldens him: The last time I drew attention to the hazards of making diesel fuel from vegetable oils, I received as much abuse as I have ever been sent for my stance on the Iraq war. The biodiesel missionaries, I discovered, are as vociferous in their denial as the executives of Exxon. I am now prepared to admit that my previous column was wrong. But they're not going to like it. I was wrong because I underestimated the fuel's destructive impact.Do we have another Pimental on our hands, bad data and bad assumptions with absolutely NO solutions offered?1450 kg per hectare seems low for rapeseed. Jeffrey Dukes' article regarding replacing the energy content of oil per year can be found here: (PDF)http://globalecology.stanford.edu/DGE/Dukes/Dukes_ClimChange1.pdf I think Monbiot takes his quote out of context and rambles from there with scare mongering.On 2/27/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's up with George Monbiot?! He calls himself an environmentalist? Put lightly, this guy's a little annoying. In December, 2004 George Monbiot wrote an article titled "Feeding Cars, Not People". http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/11/23/feeding-cars-not-people/ In December, 2006 George Monbiot commented: "By promoting biodiesel as a substitute, we have missed the fact that it is worse than the fossil-fuel burning it replaces" http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5349045-103390,00.htmlIt's alarming how many short sighted articles there are in such well known newspapers, magazines and web sites. I can't think of any kind of article which is more damaging to progressive energy strategies thanthose where the authors refers to themselvesas environmentalists then, sound the alarm about clean and sustainablealternatives. In his 2004 article he said:"Those who worry about the scale and intensity of today's agriculture should consider what farming will look like when it is run by the oil industry." After mentioning the "scale and intensity of today's agriculture" and including a reference to a Monsanto promotion in his list of sources, he still feels that the oil industry is the one threatening to monopolize the World's biofuel production. Can ANYONE with any knowledge of what's going on, be so myopic as to write an article which warns of the positioning of huge agricultural companies like Monsanto and explicitly argue an entirely different threat to the World's crops from the oil industry? Mr. Monbiot's analysis concludes that there will be a "catastrophic" impact on the global food supply and supports his position by calculating the farm land necessary to replace a quantity of petroleum with an equal quantity of biofuel. This analysis is seriously flawed and here are a few reasons why (although I think I'm preaching to the choir here): "If, as some environmentalists demand, it is to happen worldwide, then most of the arable surface of the planet will be deployed to produce food for cars, not people." Mr. Monbiot's example of "arable surface" is the available 5.7m hectares in the United Kingdom. I have no reason to believe that he considered the seven tenths of the Earth's surface which until recently, has been a source of food but not fuel. It demonstrates potential as one of the best and most concentrated sources for biofuel plant cultivation in the form of algae. But let's go back to the original premise that you need to replace every quantity of petroleum fuel with the same quantity of biofuel when discussing road transportation. Despite the initial success of gasoline-electric hybrids and the expected success of other hybrid configurations ( i.e. diesel and flex-fuel) being pretty unambiguous, it's not mentioned at all as something which can seriously effect fuel consumption.Fuel for transportation has one attribute which gives it a special set of variables – it moves. So, what we are really talking about is the storage of potential energy from which a vehicle can be able to accelerate freely and untethered. Again, the only form of potential energy for transportation, according to the article, is liquid fuel. There was no mention of the advancements of electrical energy storage from which any form of electrical generation can be used – that includes solar and wind generation. Any claim that the inclusion of solar and wind (for example) in a discussion on liquid fuel is off topic, is missing yet another benefit of the expansion of a hybrid philosophy in any energy strategy. Not only would wind and solar compliment biofuels as it's land based counterpart, advancements in photovoltaic technology makes it a viable possibility as a direct source for assisting electric vehicles. Also important is the whole argument about the energy necessary to produce biofuels requires a complete re-evaluation when one
Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners andmagnetic water treatment
Mike,Could you please provide links or bibliography, hopefully in english, for the Soviet research on fuel?On 2/12/06, Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the Russians did most of the magnetic water and fuel treatment R D in this area when it was the Soviet Union during the cold war. they also did psychic research.Just because you look doesn't mean you can find.The Soviet research was real, published and quite impressive. -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] considering a purchase of a diesel home generator, input appreciated
Mark,I agree that a 50 kVA genset is overkill unless you live in a mansion, BUT you can check with your local utility (Reliant? or Coop?) about Net Metering. Since your meter would run backward, you could 'store' power into the grid when you run it and pull power from the grid when you aren't. Then during outages you could run it and disconnect from the grid, so you don't electrocute anyone! Anyway, the trick is convincing them that biodiesel will qualify as 'renewable,' which will depend somewhat on whether your account rep is a yokel or a semi-educated yokel. ;-) Also, since you are in 'deregulated' Texas, you might be able to sell your 'green' power to one of the power marketers there. Or, you can keep the green power ticket to yourself! Heck, if the power is out for an extended period, run orange cables to you neighbors' refrigerators and make a lot of friends! Since you only get a few cents per kWh that you put back into the grid and you will pay double that for grid power, your goal each month should be to use as close to zero kWh as possible net from the grid, and your power bill will drop to ~$10. Cutting your power bill from $210 a month to $10 would pay for a $5,000 genset in a little over 2 years with no other benefits or fuel costs considered. Just running it when you are making biodiesel could provide both the heat and power for the process.Nationwide Net Metering is required in the Energy Act of 2005, but local utilities have 3 years to implement programs, so I'm waiting to see how it pans out in South Carolina. Here is an excerpt from http://www.lses.org/netmetering.htmTexas' Net Metering Order : Net metering is ordered by the Public Utility Commission of Texas under Substantive Rules, Section 23.66(f)(4), which became effective in 1986. The order requires utilities to offer a net metering option to QFs of 50 kW or less, using renewable energy resources. Utilities will install a single meter for such customers and allow the meter to turn backward to register the net energy consumption or production by the customers. Net consumption is billed at the applicable tariff and excess generation by the customers during a billing cycle is purchased by utilities at the avoided cost (fuel cost only, no capacity component). Texas initiated the net metering program 10 years ago to promote small wind power and PV markets in the state. There is no statewide limit on the number of customers or total capacity under the net metering program. There are approximately 25 small wind generators currently under the net metering program.More from http://www.gulfcoastchp.org/State/TXand more from DSIRE: http://www.dsireusa.org/library/includes/incentive2.cfm?Incentive_Code=TX02Rstate=TXCurrentPageID=1PUCT Rules:http://www.puc.state.tx.us/rules/subrules/electric/25.242/25.242ei.cfm And lastly:http://www.awea.org/smallwind/texas.htmlOn 1/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, in Houston. 50 to 100 kw is alot more than you would need for theaverage home generator . 4 to 10 would be more realistic.JerryNorthern Wi.On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:39:42 -0600 Mark Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been considering a purchase of a home emergency backup generator with diesel engine. here is the text included: -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchA little nonsense now and then, is cherished by the wisest men. - Roald Dahl ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] First Attempt at a Downdraft Gasifier Stove
Mike,I share your excitement and it's really awesome that you got it working so quickly...JTF strikes again!Do you have any pictures you could share for the visual learners out here? On 1/11/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a little time to try something different last night. So, I pulled together a 5 gal. pale, two (different size) coffee cans and a 12VDC, .15A computer fan and took my first stab at a gassifier stove. I went with the Inverted Downdraft model. I was most interested in it because, in my mind, it wasn't supposed to work. Ithought that lighting any stove from the top and feeding a draft from the bottom would only allow the top to burn for a few moments and die out (like a lit match, stood upright with the flame on top). Anyway, despite what I imagined,it worked!! Summary of what I tried:I set afive gallon pale in thefireplace (bottom side up). it had ahole in the side where I mounted the fan (direction of flow going into the bucket). It also hadtwo 1.5 inch holesdrilled through the bottom of the bucket - one for the draft and another covered with a piece of wood which could be adjusted to control flow through the fire. A large coffee can with five holes through the bottom (3/8, close grouping in the middle) was placed upside downover thedraft hole in the 5 gal. bucket so that the drilled holes wereon top. Finally, I took a smaller coffee can, punchedsix small holes in the bottom with a can opener, stuffed it withcorrugated cardboard, lit it through the punched holes and placed it over the large coffee can so that the punched holes (and fire) were on top. It smoked for a while then, shazam! I had a orange/blue flame for what seemed to be a solidminute. I know a minute isn't a long time but, there wasn't much fuel either. When the whole thing cooled off, there wasn't much left of the fuel. Everything was reduced todenseash, except for a small 1 square of unburned cardboard at the bottom. I was so fired up (no pun intended) that I continued experimenting until 2:00AM and was able to get the color of the flame to stay mostly blue. I really see the potential of this concept and will revisit it as a fuel source for an internal combustion engine. I hope you enjoyed my moment of enthusiasm.Mike -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchA little nonsense now and then, is cherished by the wisest men. - Roald Dahl ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD and Oil Burner
Tom,Do you have a clear sight tube after that copper line before the burner?You could see if the fuel is cloudy before it gets to the burner. Or you could keep a mason jar of your mixed fuel near the fuel line where it would maintain the same temperature and you could see if it stays clear. On 1/6/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan, Thanks for your prompt response. My first thought upon hearing of a leak from the burner was that there was a problem with a rubber component such as a seal. (I had been assured that, since the burner was installed in 1992, the seals were all synthetic and would not leak). If that were the case it should still be leaking, no? More than two weeks after the nozzle was replaced and the blast tube was adjusted there is no sign of a leak. The explanation for the puddle of oil (from the service man) was that the clogged nozzle was not spraying all of the oil into the ignition spark. The furnace was not burning all of the oil being sprayed though the nozzle. Unburned oil was dripping down the blast tube. I also considered that the jelled BD should be trapped in the filter (and possibly clog it). The filter is located at the tank. There is no second filter in the frunace. My concern is that the fuel travels 12ft through narrow copper tubing along the floor at an exterior wall in a basement that currently is 45F. Could it be flowing through the filter, only to cool further inside the fuel line on its way to the burner? I didn't see the jelly on the nozzle so I can't comment on its appearance. There was an add in the local paper for Biodiesel Heating Fuel. The add stated that it could be used in any burner that used heating oil. I appreciate your help, as one of my goals is to provide low cost .. as in free ... heating oil to people in need in my community. I have to get it to work in my own furnace first. Thanks again, Tom -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchA little nonsense now and then, is cherished by the wisest men. - Roald Dahl ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
