Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a dim memory from decades ago of reading a comment on the Peugeot 403/404 engines, which said that they were excellent and would have been good racing engines for their size class - if they hadn't had rubber seals (o-rings?) between the wet liners and the block (head?). Consider the possibility that somethong has gone wrong with these seals - if the engine has wet liners (wet meaning in contact with the coolant). I dunno if you are talking about the diesel 405, as a racing engine... Anyway. I once had a big beautiful 404(5?) diesel wagon. I had the motor rebuilt as it had water in the crankcase. several thousand miles went by on the new rebuild. Then one morning it would not turn over, after the usual checks I tore off the head. It was a thin aluminum affair, and as it turns out rather spongelike. This motor was also sleeved and so managed to empty the radiator both through the head and the bottom of the cylinders. I never saw it overheat, but must have, or enough to spread open the sleeves. I think there were some improvements with the x2ds (I think what you have with the 505 turbo, or a swapped xd3te?) I loved the wagon, and would even put the Peugeot turbodiesel in the land rover to replace the MB220d motor.. but no time or funds. Oddly, or not, when I got the wagon from a rather frustrated family member I discovered it had been shot. Looked alot like a 45 caliber hole, neatly missed the wheel and made a mess of the brake rotor (it pulls a little and vibrates some). I would have used a smaller caliber but more bullets. On the other hand I had a friend with the same car who often drove between Fairbanks and Seattle, one trip with unplanned downriver dunking, and it never missed a beat.. so Good Luck and check http://www.peugeotclub.org/diag.html http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index.php?s=d8453b9b1b88719807d3fcee555e6b31showforum=2 and Peugeot Pete (google) Cheers, S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Brian, You can check for exhaust gases in the cooling system with EGas Anaylizer(smog check) or a compression test tp see whats up there... and then pull the head and have it checked for tiny little holes,and I mean tiny. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Brian Rodgers wrote: Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yup, wishful. the reality is that if the head gasket is blown, or the head has enough of a hole on the exhaust side ( a crack between intake and exhaust valves is a spot to look) then the compression is going to be slightly different now, and very different later. Given evidence of a fix in a can' effort already, and expanding hoses go for a sincere diagnosis. To continue running it, however delightful will lead to disaster. I'm not sure you couldnt swap in a newer xd3te motor or even older (ack). If the rest of the thing, trans,electrical,suspension is in good shape. If this is an xd2s, I would rebuild it, maybe 1200 for the parts and machine work (only guessing).How many miles on it?? From what I can gather the turbo peugeot motor is far more efficient than MB, if a bit less robust. If you want I'd trade you the 220d thats in the rover. nahh you're better off fixing the peugeot. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof ofglobalwarming
Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting it in perspective. Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is: Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel 300Lb/Fuel/Seat/3000 Miles. (Boeing spec) That is 10 miles/pound/seat of fuel Or 68 mile/gallon/seat. Compare that to your average car you don't even get close. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris lloyd Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:41 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof ofglobalwarming Just seen this on our BBC TV channel every 800 miles travelled by a jumbo jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Chris Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ And a Greyhound bus? Amtrak? anyone out there with #s? I am guessing both would make 68mpg look gluttonous, but I could be wrong. S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] engine swapping /was Debatable statement?
Ooops, duh maybe because the TDI is front wheel drive? Sorry S. Chapin bob allen wrote: Emissions testing, hey we don't need (do) no stinkin' emissions testing here in Arkansas! thanks Zeke. Zeke Yewdall wrote: The 1.6 liter VW diesel will rev to about 5,000. Now, it is quite loud at that point, and the fuel economy degrades (best at about 2,000), but it will do it. I think the new TDI VW diesels are redlined at 4,500 rpm (with peak fuel economy at 1800). There's a discussion forum vwdiesel.net that has more than you probably could want to know about the VW diesels, both new ones and the old ones. I have heard (from a friend who has two MG's) that you can put the rover V8 engines in them, so I suspect the Isuzu diesel would work. Should handle the weight, as well as have space to work with. I saw a 2.2 isuzu, with transmission, for sale on ebay about a month ago. Or maybe it was the 2.2 Mazda/perkins. Can't remember. You can get the 2.0 and 2.5 liter nissan diesel's new (for industrial applications) even. Being a 1979, you are probably exempt from any emissions testing, which could be a problem putting an industrial diesel in a newer car (ironic that emissions regulations in the US actually hinder us from saving the planet -- keep it clean locally while screwing the rest of the world) Zeke On 9/19/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is an engine swapping question for someone with more expertise than me (easily done); I can get a nicely redone 79 (?) mg midget without an engine. A guy apparently did a restoration job, then blew the engine. I had considered putting a vw diesel in it. My mechanic said he could manufacture the motor mounts/ do the install, but we have to go with the mg tranny, a four speed. After further discussions I asked what he though the engine rpm would be with this combination at 60 mph. He guessed abut 4000 rpm, which seems cranked up way to tight. I then though about a datsun/isuzu (if i could even find one) with transmission, but I fear this combination will be too heavy. any thoughts? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] engine swapping /was Debatable statement?
I'm not sure about midgets, or the later mgb, but some mgb's had an overdrive as did P1800 volvo and some healey's. I think they were all electric. I would look into mating the vw tdi with the volvo unit, but? Why not find a TDI trans to put in the midget? S. Chapin bob allen wrote: Emissions testing, hey we don't need (do) no stinkin' emissions testing here in Arkansas! thanks Zeke. Zeke Yewdall wrote: The 1.6 liter VW diesel will rev to about 5,000. Now, it is quite loud at that point, and the fuel economy degrades (best at about 2,000), but it will do it. I think the new TDI VW diesels are redlined at 4,500 rpm (with peak fuel economy at 1800). There's a discussion forum vwdiesel.net that has more than you probably could want to know about the VW diesels, both new ones and the old ones. I have heard (from a friend who has two MG's) that you can put the rover V8 engines in them, so I suspect the Isuzu diesel would work. Should handle the weight, as well as have space to work with. I saw a 2.2 isuzu, with transmission, for sale on ebay about a month ago. Or maybe it was the 2.2 Mazda/perkins. Can't remember. You can get the 2.0 and 2.5 liter nissan diesel's new (for industrial applications) even. Being a 1979, you are probably exempt from any emissions testing, which could be a problem putting an industrial diesel in a newer car (ironic that emissions regulations in the US actually hinder us from saving the planet -- keep it clean locally while screwing the rest of the world) Zeke On 9/19/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is an engine swapping question for someone with more expertise than me (easily done); I can get a nicely redone 79 (?) mg midget without an engine. A guy apparently did a restoration job, then blew the engine. I had considered putting a vw diesel in it. My mechanic said he could manufacture the motor mounts/ do the install, but we have to go with the mg tranny, a four speed. After further discussions I asked what he though the engine rpm would be with this combination at 60 mph. He guessed abut 4000 rpm, which seems cranked up way to tight. I then though about a datsun/isuzu (if i could even find one) with transmission, but I fear this combination will be too heavy. any thoughts? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Morality test for you all
Hmmm. There's not enough time, although a sepia wash over a high contrast BW might be suggestive yet humorous.. OTOH actually having the negative could present problems. SO... wait a moment and use the underwater Nikon with flash attachment and say it was something that got caught in the pumps. malcolm maclure wrote: Lol Fritz – we wish eh? Malcolm *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Fritz Friesinger *Sent:* 17 September 2005 21:11 *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Morality test for you all Hey Malcolm, we have got this one alredy a while ago and we came to the consensus that we would save the Bastard if he would promiss to get out of politics an recluses him self in a far away Mountainmonastry and keep quiet there! F.F. - Original Message - *From:* malcolm maclure mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:06 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Morality test for you all This is a tough one Check this - Morality Test: This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each line. You are in Florida, Miamito to be specific. There is chaos all around you caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury. Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer... somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under ... forever. You have two options--you can save the life of G.W. Bush or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful men. So here's the question, and please give an honest answer: Would you select high contrast colour film, or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white? Regards to all Malcolm :-) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina demonstrations
Upcoming demonstrations. A.N.S.W.E.R National Day of Emergency Action Support the People of New Orleans! Jobs/Income Housing for All Displaced Families Real Relief - Yes! Racism - No! Wednesday, September 7 Join a protest on September 7 see below for details of protests in Washington DC, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle - or organize one in your community or on your campus. List your event on the A.N.S.W.E.R. website! (www.pephost.org/Sept7localaction) What is taking place today in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama is a crisis rarely seen in this country. It has provoked an outpouring of concern for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Millions of people across the United States and around the world are watching in horror at both the scale of suffering and the lack of response by President Bush and the U.S. government. Thousands are dead or missing; millions have been displaced or lost their jobs and homes. The African American community in New Orleans has been especially hard hit, and on top of massive death and suffering has been the victim of vicious racist scapegoating at the hands of government officials and the corporate media. The real looters in this crisis are the big oil companies that are making super-profits by jacking up the price of gas and oil all over the country. It is becoming clearer every day that this crisis goes far beyond a natural disaster. The massive death and destruction did not have to happen as a result of the hurricane; rather it is caused by a government that prioritizes profits, war and conquest over human needs. The danger that a hurricane posed for New Orleans and the region had been known and discussed for years-with no significant preparations taken. Funds were diverted from securing the levees to pay for the war in Iraq and the protective wetlands were sold off to the developers. Global warming is a major factor in the big increase in tropical storms, particularly Hurricane Katrina, which developed from a minimal hurricane to one of the largest and most powerful ever recorded because of the extremely high water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico. Still, the Bush Administration continues to contemptuously turn its back on evidence of climate change and stands by its position to cancel the Kyoto Accord. Before the hurricane struck, the government issued a mandatory evacuation order with a free-market approach. In other words, people were ordered to leave, but the means for evacuation were not provided. It was the poorest sectors of the working class and predominantly the African American community that did not have the means to leave and endured the greatest personal suffering. Even days after the hurricane the U.S. government has refused to commandeer all available buses and send them to transport people out. With the city awash in a sea of sewage and chemicals, the contemptible director of FEMA, Michael Brown, had the gall to then accuse those who have suffered the most: I think the death toll may go into the thousands and, unfortunately, that's going to be attributable a lot to people who did not heed the advance warnings. (September 1, CNN) The Bush administration has spared no resource in waging its war against Iraq, taking more than $200 billion from the people of the United States to do so. It spared no resource in destroying the entire city of Fallujah last November. But when it comes to confronting this natural catastrophe, the Bush administration has been criminally derelict. Bush's relief package of $10.5 billion which equals just 7 weeks of the cost of the occupation of Iraq is completely inadequate. As people, including babies and the elderly, go without food and water, and corpses lie in the street and float in the water, Bush has presented a meager and dilatory response. The government is preparing to bail out the oil companies, insurance companies, other big corporations and casinos. Big Oil is also using this catastrophe as an opportunity to line their pockets. Working people in the United States need to stand with the victims of this crisis and demand that the government provide both short and long-term assistance to those who have lost everything. Stop Racist Scapegoating of the Victims Jail the Real Looters the Big Oil executives Money for People's Needs, Not for War Stop Bush's War Against the Poor at Home and Abroad a.. Washington DC: 5 pm at the White House. Call 202-544-3389 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. b.. San Francisco: 5 pm at Powell Market Sts. Call 415-821-6545 for email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. c.. Los Angeles: 6 pm at the Westwood Federal Building (Veterans Wilshire). Call 323-464-1636 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. d.. Seattle: 5 pm at Westlake (Pine near 4th). Call 206-568-1661 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. Join a protest on
Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans
We recently traded in the VW for a Dodge Sprinter aka Mercedes 316 van. I am told by a Bosch fuel injection specialist that the reason Mercedes will not recommend more than b5 is that the bio sets off the 'check engine' light with higher bio%. This is due, he maintains, to the various sensors in the electronic system being somehow stymied by #'s it doesnt expect. I can only guess that perhaps the oxygen sensor, fuel pressure (viscosity?) sensor and maybe temperature sensor would get contradicting info and thereby set off the idiot light. So, if its true, which I will find out as soon as I can get some bio in the tank, then A: is there a way to reconfigure the computer? Or less technically involved B: Would it be simpler to just put a bit of tape over the light when it comes on and run diesel only when it needs to go to Dodge for shop work... thus keeping what may be left of the warranty? I might add that it is a marvelous truck, beats the VW in most departments though a bit of a squeeze in parking garages. S.Chapin Andrew Cohen wrote: Just wanted to thank Keith, et al. for this interesting, albeit politically skewed at times list serve. I learn a lot from the exchanges, and am very appreciative. I'm not going to respond to the political chatter, because I'm more interested in learning how do free myself from fossil fuels, and hopefully save a few dollars A question for my esteemed teachers: is any Diesel motor OK for bio diesel? I am thinking about going out and trading my Suburban in for one of the new GMC Diesel Sierra's, or something else, if anyone has a better suggestion. I have a big family, and need at least 7 seats. The Chevy Sprinter might be a little big for my wife (she needs the car for carting the kids to school, doing the shopping, etc.) I would consider getting a used VW Transporter, Eurovan or something, but I don’t know much about automotive mechanics, and therefore am reluctant to get a used car that I might have to take in for troubleshooting all too often. So if anyone out there can point me in the right direction regarding diesel vans, I'd be extremely appreciative And again, thank you all so much for your fascinating information, and for showing us all that there really is a way out of this petroleum morass. Very gratefully, Drew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans
Mike Weaver wrote: Go with a late model used diesel Sububan class. Parts cheaper, easier to fix, forgiving. Mileage not as good as a VW van, but aginf VW vans are, shall we say, rather ungrateful cars. You also have to do your homwork. The stock diesel was so slow as to dangerous. If you must have one, put in a TDI. There a several shops and kits. Frankly, unless you love to tinker or your best buddy is a VW mechanic, skip it. Mel Riser wrote: The instrument and engine electronics are CAN bus based and all of the newer computers can negotiate and talk and display diagnostics. So if you are brave, YES you can alter the code in your engine. I have a friend, who completely redid his display on his Audi A4. I helped some, but he is the genius. I do know a fair amount about the CAN bus as it is an old protocol and was used in some building environmental controls in the past Control Area Network Buy a kit and hook it up and get a laptop You would be amazed If you are a geek anyway Mel -Original Message- From: S. Chapin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:47 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans We recently traded in the VW for a Dodge Sprinter aka Mercedes 316 van. I am told by a Bosch fuel injection specialist that the reason Mercedes will not recommend more than b5 is that the bio sets off the 'check engine' light with higher bio%. This is due, he maintains, to the various sensors in the electronic system being somehow stymied by #'s it doesnt expect. I can only guess that perhaps the oxygen sensor, fuel pressure (viscosity?) sensor and maybe temperature sensor would get contradicting info and thereby set off the idiot light. So, if its true, which I will find out as soon as I can get some bio in the tank, then A: is there a way to reconfigure the computer? Or less technically involved B: Would it be simpler to just put a bit of tape over the light when it comes on and run diesel only when it needs to go to Dodge for shop work... thus keeping what may be left of the warranty? I might add that it is a marvelous truck, beats the VW in most departments though a bit of a squeeze in parking garages. S.Chapin Andrew Cohen wrote: Just wanted to thank Keith, et al. for this interesting, albeit politically skewed at times list serve. I learn a lot from the exchanges, and am very appreciative. I'm not going to respond to the political chatter, because I'm more interested in learning how do free myself from fossil fuels, and hopefully save a few dollars A question for my esteemed teachers: is any Diesel motor OK for bio diesel? I am thinking about going out and trading my Suburban in for one of the new GMC Diesel Sierra's, or something else, if anyone has a better suggestion. I have a big family, and need at least 7 seats. The Chevy Sprinter might be a little big for my wife (she needs the car for carting the kids to school, doing the shopping, etc.) I would consider getting a used VW Transporter, Eurovan or something, but I don’t know much about automotive mechanics, and therefore am reluctant to get a used car that I might have to take in for troubleshooting all too often. So if anyone out there can point me in the right direction regarding diesel vans, I'd be extremely appreciative And again, thank you all so much for your fascinating information, and for showing us all that there really is a way out of this petroleum morass. Very gratefully, Drew --- - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hot Water and Radiant Heat
robert luis rabello wrote: Ken Dunn wrote: Is there a specific type of material or will any old grommet do? Neoprene rubber is the recommended material. (Plumbing complexity) This is something that I've been trying to figure out for a while. I was way over complicating the design in my head. As long as I build or modify the storage tank myself and change my thermostat, it's not nearly as complicated as I initially thought. It doesn't need to be terribly complex. Ours was installed by a plumber whom I would never accuse of being the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree! ($$$) How so? Of course, I'm not dealing with initial expenses here anyway. The initial cost of a boiler tends to exceed that of a furnace, and in our case, we installed a heat recovery ventilator. (Our boiler is rated at 30 000 Btu and is tiny!) By the time we paid for everything, we invested about $1 500 more in our radiant floor heating than would have been the case with a contractor installed forced air system. Labor to install radiant heat is likely the most significant expense. My wife and I installed all the tubing ourselves, with a lot of help from some friends. (Ok, maybe that was the other way around!) It's a LOT of work, but the work is well worth your effort if you can do it yourself. From a related yet different perspective, do I introduce any trouble by burning my wood burning fireplace insert? No. Do you reverse ceiling fans during the winter? No, that isn't necessary. It seems a little counterintuitive, but you've got to appreciate that radiant heat very gently transfers into the air above the floor, where most of the energy is going. Heat rises naturally and gradually over time, forming thermal gradients that make the air near the ceiling cooler. I walk around my house with bare feet all winter long. If I feel uncomfortable, I simply put my feet on the floor. Thanks much for your comments, You're welcome! ***Editor's Note*** I am my own editor and often drink on the job. I do too, but it's almost always tea! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ For inexpensive system run a standard hot water tank, a couple grunfos pumps on an open ended system. It doesnt need to be complicated or expensive, a solar preheat from the hot water can be helpful, although you will need a heat exchanger to run the antifreeze (Helios ? I think in Oakland makes a good one, or you could fashion one up). Put in the tubing and insulate as you can. I have a design for low cost system (less then 2k$) if you are interested for 2 story 1600sq.ft. house if you want general outline of bits and pieces. S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Greg and April wrote: He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. Perhaps you noticed Trent Lott on his side? The comment that he looked forward to sitting on Trent's new porch when his house was rebuilt? Perhaps you are reminded of Trent's rather politically 'delicate' relationship to Strom Thurmond? Do you suppose that maybe GW is as confused about civil rights as... Lester Maddox. Why else could such banality come out of the man's mouth as, he well knew, people were dying a mere 150 miles away? And by the way, he did not walk, he strut as always, kissed and hugged people and handed out a bottled water to make the camera feel friendly. Frankly I think his wife did a better job being 'compassionate'. But BTW how are the schools in East Texas, the medical coverage, the smog, the grandfathered power plants, and hows our buddy Tom Delay, Ken Lay and the old gang? Any problems with finding money for mega mansions in Lucy or enough water for golfing in SugarLand? I'm done. S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Joe, Actually we are in SE Texas. That is why we caught the very edge of Katrina. I have been talking to people from New Orleans that left as the evacuation was happening. This is how I could state, that as far as I have been able to find out, there were no hitchhikers on the exits looking for rides. If you don't have money or a car, how else do you leave? Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:51 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Hi Kim; I always enjoy reading your posts. I wish you didn't live so far away. I think you are in West Texas or New Mexico? Sounds like your place would be a marvel to visit and if I ever get down that way again I would defininitely like to meet you and Garth. I know exactly what you mean about that reaction from your friend. I have had the same thing. People with your attiude are few and far apart these days it seems. Accountability is out of fashion with the sheeple for some strange reason. Best regards Joe Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Joe, Thank you. Yes, fence riding is a Canadian hobby, isn't it? It is easy to understand why, when you read stuff like Todd is sending. I have had friends look at me startled and say: You are judging me. and I reply, If I don't judge you and find you worthy, how can I call your friend? We make judgements all the time. I do not know how anyone can expect Bright Blessings if there is no accountability. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:14 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No one held accountable, is this not what we complain about in our government? I did not apologize, I made sure that what I said was not being taken out of context. I have no desire to live in a world where people are no accountable for what they do. Bright Blessings, Kim Thank goodness for people like you! And I think you said you are Canadian which makes it all the more impressive to hear you say discriminate is not a dirty word. It seems to me Canadians are often loath to call a spade a spade we are so oversocialized. Hail to accountability! Godspeed you redneck angels of sanity! Come on back home we need you here before we all die of fence riding induced lethargy. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ For one it might have been a good idea to have given an evac notice earlier. It costs alot to evac and politicians are reluctant. Two, there is NO excuse for watching people die because no one thought to get AT LEAST water, never mind food. There is no arguement, there is no excuse. I dont care if these people are card carrying Taliban, it doesnt matter. If the U.S. is to succeed according to it's own (somewhat (bloated?) self inflated) image then there is NO excuse. Period. If we really would rather just doze the place and the people that died waiting for help, as Hasert has considered, then fine...we are admitting that american culture is um...derelict, criminal, without humanity um nazi
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Peter Childers wrote: This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look). I am also looking at (preferred) a Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Peter, The 300d 123chassis is a fairly bullet proof car, if a bit heavy. The 85 would be the last year, or maybe 86, they were made. Weak points are the climate control device (chrysler) and door lock system. Some automatics had problems, but overall they are comfortable, strong if not blazingly fast transport. Many 240d(4cyl), 300d, 300d turbo and also gas versions were squeezed into the 123. If you can find a manual, mostly european cars, put it in. Mileage will be high 20s-mid 30s. The older 240d, and 220d were in the 115 (maybe 114 I get them mixed up) were lighter I think, and more US cars had the manual, some 5cyl cars are about but mostly the 240. I think a 220d is the record holder for over 1 million miles on the clock... I think. I had an older 190d with over 400k and still running strong on b100 with just a little sweating from fuel lines. Parts can be found, and not terribly expensive unless from the dealer. Try recycle shops and net parts places. Cheers, S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers
Dear List, A bit about the legal ramifications, though there will be none, of Pat Robertson's statements concerning Chavez. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20050826.html by John Dean . Cheers, S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes/dodge sprinter vans?
Lars Andersson wrote: We have a Mercedes Sprinter 316 CDI as a job van. I checked with the Swedish distributor about using biodiesel as fuel and they answered something undecided and then that maximum 5% was okey but they did not want any biodiesel at all in the fuel tank because it was possible to get 4% once and maybe 6% the next time !! I got an bit annoyed and checked with the German manufacturers who answered that because of materials used in the fuel system they did not allow any biodiesel at all with warranties unbroken.. Boring answer !! It is from late 2003 and company owned so i will not make any experiments with it.. It pulls a 1800 kg trailer like a dream at about 20-21 mpg. Lars A From: S. Chapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone out there have have a (diesel) biofueled Sprinter aka 316 I think? We are considering one, a CDI 5cyl turbo mercedes, for general hauling. My feeling is that there will be no problems with even b100 (mild climate) but just to see thought of casting about on the list. Other than the ford and dodge diesel trucks (maybe 22hwy max) it's all I can find (in the US) that gets even close (pathetic really) to reasonable mileage (18-30) for the capacity. Also, a hemp bill before the congress, I've forgotten the #, needs support. A viable source of oil I understand, amoung other uses (recreational not amoung them). Also, dust off that old copy of Farenheit/9-11 and watch it again. I find dragging oneself back through the timeline tends to clear the cobwebs of CNN breaking news stories. Then a little from Iran-Contra and some Watergate hearing footage and if the blood hasnt risen to your rosey cheeks try some footage of Wallace, or Jesse Helms. Fool me once I looked into the Santa Cruz GM food ban and it looks like a response to GM efforts to circumvent state by state restrictions on GM experimental plantings. Stealth Monsanto. Cheers, S. Chapin Corralitos Creek Gardens ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Many Thanks Lars. I have a feeling that manufacturers, dealers and insurers are finding it possible to write off warranties because of BD use. I can imagine that in cold climates, with a thickened fuel it would put some strain on difertent elements, starters, glow plugs, CDI system... but okay maybe b50 or even b10. And perhaps there is some reluctance because of the inconsistent quality of home brewed BD. The manual transmission trucks in the US have a lower tow capacity than the auto trans simply because they dont want to cover clutch work on warranty because the driver may not know how to drive a manual trans without burning it up. So in the end it's a paperwork rule and, I would think, rarely an issue. What gets me is that BD is a better lubricant, hence lower wear, and cleaner hence less warranty claims, happier clients etc. but maybe, as with so many issues... the reality doesnt make much of an impression. I am glad to hear 20-21 with 1800 kg load. I think the lowest mpg advertised by Dodge is about 16 max load city driving for the 3500 van (dual rear wheels ). Thanks S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] County considering GM food
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, My Santa Cruz, California county is considering outlawing genetically modified food in the county. I have downloaded a lot of info on the subject from your emails to share with them. Does anyone have anything that can help regarding how people have successfully made it illegal in other cities and counties? We need all the help we can get. Thanks Marilyn ___ Marilyn, Yikes am I out of touch! To outlaw growing it or selling it? Both? I dont know if CCOF (California Organic Farmers) would have some material possibly, though you may have looked already. It would be kinda fun to see a few dozen monsanto lawyers skulking in and out of city hall. I must read the paper more often. S. Chapin Corralitos Creek Gardens ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes/dodge sprinter vans?
Does anyone out there have have a (diesel) biofueled Sprinter aka 316 I think? We are considering one, a CDI 5cyl turbo mercedes, for general hauling. My feeling is that there will be no problems with even b100 (mild climate) but just to see thought of casting about on the list. Other than the ford and dodge diesel trucks (maybe 22hwy max) it's all I can find (in the US) that gets even close (pathetic really) to reasonable mileage (18-30) for the capacity. Also, a hemp bill before the congress, I've forgotten the #, needs support. A viable source of oil I understand, amoung other uses (recreational not amoung them). Also, dust off that old copy of Farenheit/9-11 and watch it again. I find dragging oneself back through the timeline tends to clear the cobwebs of CNN breaking news stories. Then a little from Iran-Contra and some Watergate hearing footage and if the blood hasnt risen to your rosey cheeks try some footage of Wallace, or Jesse Helms. Fool me once I looked into the Santa Cruz GM food ban and it looks like a response to GM efforts to circumvent state by state restrictions on GM experimental plantings. Stealth Monsanto. Cheers, S. Chapin Corralitos Creek Gardens ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Turd Blossom aka Karl Rove
Regarding Amb. Wilson's political affilliation, and present bent against present administration. Wilson voted for Bush in 2000, which I suspect he regretted soon after. But again, this is not the point. The reality, which may or may not break wind on the 'major media' stage is that the Rove/Plame bit is a small part of an effort to put the US, meaning some corporations backed by US military, in a position to dictate the flow of mideast oil. Thats all. It is not about WMD, Terrorists, Saddam, or democracy, or (apparently) the value of 27,000 lives. And along other lines,... could a turd blossom be a good source of oil? Would the methane from the pie be helpful? How hard would you have to squeeze a turd blossom? Perhaps a turd blossom seed would be more 'fruitfull'? I see fields of turd blossoms going to seed, wringing in a revolution of sustainable energy but perhaps a 'jump to conclusion' about an already 'ongoing investigation'. S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Turd Blossom aka Karl Rove
Bud Eble wrote: While I do agree that the cover up by the Whitehouse is a disgrace and the Bush smear campaign that started all this is unacceptable, Rove probably did not break any laws. Plame was not undercover at the time the column was printed and had not been since 1997. Apparently, ambassador Joseph Wilson and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997 From http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-cia-wilson_x.htm The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a covert agent must have been on an overseas assignment within the last five years. The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003. What do others think? Regards, Bud Bud, I think it (the WH managent of the Rove-Plame issue) has been masterful in that it has shifted the focus to Amb. Wilson. The point we are missing is that the WH was in the final stage of selling a war that had been planned for several years, not a time to have any loose ends. The facts are that the group, PNAC et al had a chance to implement a grand plan and they made sure it would happen. The fact that it isnt working out as planned is that the planners are without shame, and so make mistakes... like lying constantly. Ultimatley it doesnt pan out, which Rove ought to know being the history buff. But it's Cheney anyway. Thing is that the smartest asshole is only surrounded by much dumber assholes. I'm not sure a CIA agent needs to be out of the country to be undercover, even if they didnt work for a shell corp. Would be wierd to have to let your true identity shine when the plane lands in the US, then cover it back up when you take off? Or just if you retire, so whoever you ever came into contact with undercover would get a really neat sort of retirement suprise? Anyway, just some latenight thoughts.. ranting as always. S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] re property taking supreme court
Brian, http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/23jun20051201/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/04-108.pdf or go to Common Dreams .org and look for US Supreme Court link (right side somewhere). See also NYT article by Linda Greenhouse. Difference between public use and public purpose? Pfizer pharmacueticals will build a research complex. (who are BTW immune under the patriot act from lawsuits?) I wonder if under the same arguement public purpose could enable a community to declare a Wal-Mart eminent domain and turn it into a hospital?? S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
