Re: [biofuels-biz] DOE Grant
I came back today and noticed your posting on biofuel site about the result of the application to DOE. It is too bad the application was rejected. My discussions with others after the application was submitted kind of hinted me of the outcome. If you have the confident that this project can be pulled even if there is no Government help, then let me know. It all boils down to production cost and the selling price in the market. -Chandra - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] DOE Grant I got a reply from the US DOE yesterday saying they found no merit in my preliminary grant application. I'm a little disappointed, but thought there might still be something of value here. If you have the time, let me know what you think Tom Leue Homestead Inc. Biomass Research and Development for the Production of Fuels, Power, Chemicals and other Economical and Sustainable Products Solicitation 1435-01-02-RP-86382 Pre-Application Submitted 5/14/02 Submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proposal for a Biodiesel Development Center Submitted by: Thomas S. Leue, President, Homestead Inc. 1664 Cape St., Williamsburg, MA 01096 413 628-4533, Fax 413 628-3973 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Introduction Biodiesel fuel has been shown to be a superior diesel fuel in terms of environmental impact, balance of trade, global warming, toxicity, emissions, engine longevity, etc. However, it has not been generally available to the public due to the limited number of producers and their geographic locations. Biodiesel fuel has a potential to supply approximately 6.6% of national diesel fuel needs, according to the National Biodiesel Board (NBB). To date, the NBB has concentrated on production of biodiesel made from virgin soybean oil, and all testing has been limited to that product. This proposal will lead to the development of an urban biodiesel production facility in Albany, New York that will demonstrate the commercial potential of a fuel production business based on locally available yellow grease and other vegetable oil sources, along with providing the educational resources needed for others to duplicate this facility model in many other urban areas throughout the US. Technical Narrative The production of biodiesel has been developed using numerous technologies over the past twenty years or longer. The technical know how is largely in the public domain, but has not led to widespread production throughout the US. For instance, this researcher maintains the only commercial scale production facility within a 500 mile radius, located in Western Massachusetts. The biodiesel biorefinery operated by Homestead Inc. is a pilot scale, batch type production facility. Although each batch produced is small, currently 20 gallons net per batch and soon to go to 100 gallons net per batch, the large number of batches produced, over 300 to date, has developed an in-depth understanding of the collection and processing systems needed and the variability inherent in processing used vegetable oil. Over four years of development and operating experience has developed the basic requirements for a larger processing facility to be developed under this proposal. The development of another mid-sized biodiesel production facility by itself will not significantly change the rate of utilization of this alternative fuel. For example, New York State is currently using over 250,000 gallons biodiesel per year, a large part of our initial annual production of up to 1,000,000 gallons per year. The essence of this proposal is to operate a commercially viable biorefinery based on locally available yellow grease; to promote the use and availability to the public of biodiesel fuel in both B-20 and B-100 formulations; to document the technical operations and project economics of biodiesel production for use in other startup ventures; to make the facility accessible to the public for tours and formal training sessions so as to promote the introduction of the technology throughout the urban centers of the US; to undertake necessary testing of yellow grease-based biodiesel as required by 40 CFR 79 that has not been accomplished to date; and to remove the current obstacles that hinder the more widespread development of production facilities in other urban centers. The initial plan would include some advanced energy management operations. For example, all normal energy inputs required for operation would be site-produced from either on-site biofueled diesel electrical generation, biodiesel operated transportation, or from direct utilization of byproducts as an energy source for thermal process heat. The facility would be the first post-petroleum production facility of its kind, having no provisions for the on-site use of fossil fuels. After the initial startup and operation goals are met, the Biodiesel
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
Kieth: How nice of you to post (see below) the accurate remarks of mine. As you can see, it says MANY urchins on this site. It does not say ALL on this site are urchins. I have respect for those who strive to make this site productive and you tops the list. It is unfortunate that in your earnestness you have inadvertently included yourself in that list of many urchins. You even took step to include others in the list! When I say urchins in this site, it does not mean all of those who come on this site are urchins. Sure those who concentrate on arguing on personal issues are urchins. Of course, personal attacks do appear frequently in this site. So, I openly said there are some urchins here. If we are matured people, we should not waste our time ( and others time) on personal attacks! We all are interested to see BD issues discussed and we are here to learn from those who know things (BD) better than us. Is it not a waste of time and efforts to attack one another on personal basis? I called such people urchins. I did not mean they are bad, but just urchins who do not know how they are wasting their (and others') time and energy. They are just like inexperienced kids! That is all to it! Now, I prefer not to fall into the same trap. Instead, let me go along learning more about BD from other ones who are NOT urchins in this site (the ones who are learned and experienced ones). Hope this makes those who are not urchins in this site happy. If anyone in this site feels that he or she falls into the category of learned ones, then, my observation does not apply to them, and so, they should not be concerned and hence, they would ignore useless things and get along with their productive work. On the other hand, if any one feels my observations and remarks directly apply to their activities, then, is it not time for them to look into themselves? I decide NOT to waste other peoples' time any more. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: Shukrainternationals Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks chandra_the_good wrote, getting it all wrong as usual: On the lighter side of the issue though: Once, by mistake, I placed a statement (below) on this site (while trying to send it to a friend of mine privately): It said, you know, Tom, this site is crowed with urchins, so, don't worry. Now, I feel was not wrong after all!! :). Now, again, this on the lighter side of life please :) - It means 'smile'. First it wasn't this site (list), it was the Biofuels-biz list. Second, you've misquoted yourself - this is what you said: Tom: I see a response from David Teal to your posting on the web. I suggest you just ignore it and continue with our project. As I said, these are many urchins on that web site and we should try to stay above them. -Chandra This was in response to several posts that questioned an original post which that person (Tom) subsequently withdrew, with apologies. Your urchins, which included me and others along with David Teal, have all contributed a great deal to the biofuels movement, whereas if you've contributed anything at all except snide comments that you then slide away from when challenged, and requests for other people to do your homework for you, it's remarkably invisible. At the time, all concerned refrained from stirring the issue up any further by challenging you over this as you deserved. They showed restraint - unlike you, here and now. Typical chandra_the_good, pretending to be promoting peace, sweetness and light and pouring oil on troubled waters, but in fact just insulting people, and the whole list, and trying to stir it up. You just don't realise how transparent you are, Chandra, but everyone else can see it. I know that because many of them tell me so off-list. So, no sliding away this time, explain yourself please. Response required, on-list, and make it snappy. Keith Addison Moderator - Original Message - From: Tee To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
On the lighter side of the issue though: Once, by mistake, I placed a statement (below) on this site (while trying to send it to a friend of mine privately): It said, you know, Tom, this site is crowed with urchins, so, don't worry. Now, I feel was not wrong after all!! :). Now, again, this on the lighter side of life please :) - It means 'smile'. - Original Message - From: Tee To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. At 03:02 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:59:52PM -0500, Tee wrote: No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. Oh, 'tis not my ego that's the problem here, dearest. But simply that we're all waiting with bated breath to hear the answer. Official propagandists for the USA or (who is it you work for again, deary?) should be able to answer questions, don't you think? C'mon now, you *do* have something better than I don't waste my time or give yur ego a rest, eh? A real answer? At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] genetic engineering
Please do. It helps. Any crop that would assure constant supply of oil for BD will be helpful. Of course, it should be cost-effective too! - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] genetic engineering there are plans to produce crops of genetically modified oil bearing plants. The oil extracted could be used directly as a diesel fuel because it is composed of a high percentage of small chain length molecules. If anyone wants more info i could dig out the relevant papers. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Drivers License Database - This is Scary!!!
cheater, cheater - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Drivers License Database - This is Scary!!! Big Brother at his worst. Greg H. That's terrifying - there's even a picture of me there, and I don't even have a US licence! :-( Keith - Original Message - From: Lynda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 00:22 Subject: Fw: Drivers License Database This is really scary. Now you can see anyone's Drivers License on the Internet, including your own! I just searched for mine and there it was, picture and all. I don't think this is a good idea at all!!! I think we should write our congressperson! Go to: http://www.license.shorturl.com/ Lynda Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar?
Where can I find info. on continuous process of BD and its advantages over the batch process? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar? What is the rate per acre of vinegar? How many gallons of 10-15% should be used if it is to replace roundup? Does anyone know? figuring that glacial acetic acid is 57% and it can be purchased in 55 gal drums and diluted down to 10-15% easily, the only thing I need to know now is what rate. thanks, JEFF Contact the ARS researchers and ask them Jeff, I think they're very approachable. Contact details in my original post. Please let us know what you find out. Best Keith snip Some home gardeners already use vinegar as a herbicide, and some garden stores sell vinegar pesticides. But no one has tested it scientifically until now. Agricultural Research Service scientists offer the first scientific evidence that it may be a potent weedkiller that is inexpensive and environmentally safe--perfect for organic farmers. ARS researchers Jay Radhakrishnan, John R. Teasdale and Ben Coffman in Beltsville, Md., tested vinegar on major weeds--common lamb's- quarters, giant foxtail, velvetleaf, smooth pigweed and Canada thistle--in greenhouse and field studies. They hand-sprayed the weeds with various solutions of vinegar, uniformly coating the leaves. The researchers found that 5- and 10-percent concentrations killed the weeds during their first two weeks of life. Older plants required higher concentrations of vinegar to kill them. At the higher concentrations, vinegar had an 85- to 100-percent kill rate at all growth stages. A bottle of household vinegar is about a 5- percent concentration. Canada thistle, one of the most tenacious weeds in the world, proved the most susceptible; the 5-percent concentration had a 100-percent kill rate of the perennial's top growth. The 20-percent concentration can do this in about 2 hours. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous process
Where can I find info. on continuous process of BD and its advantages over the batch process? - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar? Where can I find info. on continuous process of BD and its advantages over the batch process? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar? What is the rate per acre of vinegar? How many gallons of 10-15% should be used if it is to replace roundup? Does anyone know? figuring that glacial acetic acid is 57% and it can be purchased in 55 gal drums and diluted down to 10-15% easily, the only thing I need to know now is what rate. thanks, JEFF Contact the ARS researchers and ask them Jeff, I think they're very approachable. Contact details in my original post. Please let us know what you find out. Best Keith snip Some home gardeners already use vinegar as a herbicide, and some garden stores sell vinegar pesticides. But no one has tested it scientifically until now. Agricultural Research Service scientists offer the first scientific evidence that it may be a potent weedkiller that is inexpensive and environmentally safe--perfect for organic farmers. ARS researchers Jay Radhakrishnan, John R. Teasdale and Ben Coffman in Beltsville, Md., tested vinegar on major weeds--common lamb's- quarters, giant foxtail, velvetleaf, smooth pigweed and Canada thistle--in greenhouse and field studies. They hand-sprayed the weeds with various solutions of vinegar, uniformly coating the leaves. The researchers found that 5- and 10-percent concentrations killed the weeds during their first two weeks of life. Older plants required higher concentrations of vinegar to kill them. At the higher concentrations, vinegar had an 85- to 100-percent kill rate at all growth stages. A bottle of household vinegar is about a 5- percent concentration. Canada thistle, one of the most tenacious weeds in the world, proved the most susceptible; the 5-percent concentration had a 100-percent kill rate of the perennial's top growth. The 20-percent concentration can do this in about 2 hours. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help
Todd: Do you have details on cost of processing WVO excluding the cost of the plant and the cost of the feedstock (WVO).?We are trying to come up with a method to calculate all the costs involved in producing BD. Basically, I divide the total cost of production into four groups; Feedstock cost, plant equipment cost, processing cost, distribution cost. We need details of processing cost such as, chemicals, power, water, labor, etc., per gallon basis. UN had some s/w program to do this job. Anybody know anything about it? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help Patrick, All the equipment to manufacture biodiesel is available. What needs to be done is acquire and assemble it all into the configuration that fits the need. A couple of questions are in order though. What is the total consumption of diesel each year and when are the peak demands? Does your city have the will to clean out its old storage and fleet fuel tanks and use true biodiesel (B-100) or does it want to run a bio-petrol blend (such as B-20) that doesn't require cleaning up the old fuel storage systems to the same degree? How secure is the supply of WVO? Once a choice is made as to the path to be taken, someone should examine existing city owned buildings that would be suitable for a biodiesel plant. Something as simple as an insulated machinery barn is sufficient. Availability of a process heat source is a consideration. Does the city have any processes already in effect where the waste heat could be used for the biodiesel process? Natural gas could be used, but it incurs an expense. Waste machine oils can be used, as can be WVO, which requires an EPA approved boiler for such a feedstock. This is not a problem. Also, is treated wastewater available for washing stages so as to reduce demand on freshwater supplies? And then finally, give or take a bit, the city's diesel mechanic would need to survey all diesel equipment to determine where replacement rubber and perhaps new injector pump seals would be required over time when using B-100 or the higher blends. Making the fuel is not so much a problem as making the fuel production and use fit into your existing framework - which isn't a problem, just a process. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Patrick McBrady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:14 AM Subject: [biofuel] wvo/biodiesel Help Does anyone know if there is any equipment and anyone successfully using wvo as feedstock to produce bio diesel in large enough quantities to run any or all of a cities diesel equipment and vehicles? If so who are they and how do I contact them. Thank You Patrick McBrady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: RETROFIT ETHANOL VEHICLE
Nothing came through your forward message! - Original Message - From: Vishwanath k To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: RETROFIT ETHANOL VEHICLE Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Virus warning
From: Ani - Original Message - From: Business North To: Business North Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Fw: Virus warning Hi all we received this so are doing the right thing! . I have just had a message warning us that we may have a sleeper virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) infecting our address book. On checking we did indeed find it. This virus is not detected by normal antivirus software like McAfee or Norton. It stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system. The virus is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book, wether or not you sent e-mails to your contacts. I checked, found and deleted it. Now it is your turn!!! 1. Go to Start, Find or Search Option 2. In the Files/Folder option , write the name jdbgmgr.exe 3. Be sure to search in your C: drive 4. Clickfind now 5. The virus has a little bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT!! 6. Right click and delete it (it will then go to the recycle bin) 7. Go to the recycle bin and delete it there as well, or empty the bin IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, LIKE I DID, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS. Emeritus Professor Nigel and Mrs Mandy Forteath B.A., Ph.D., F.T.S.E., F.R.E.S., M.I.Biol., C.Biol. Omlas Pty Ltd ABN: 17 080 319 884 27 Gorge Road TREVALLYN Tasmania 7250 Ph/Fax: (03) 6331 7905 Web page: www.hippa-seahorse.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Virus warning
Dear List Members, Before you go spreading this type of rubbish, just go to google and do a search on the file that you are being told to delete. You might find, as I expected I would, that it is a hoax, or that it an actual needed file and that people are talking about it in reference to system performance/graphics/networking/etc etc, ie delete the file and screw your system. http://www.europe.f-secure.com/hoaxes/jdbgmgr.shtml It always saddens me when I see Australians passing on this type of tripe - I thought that after we invented the rotary lawn mower, the Hills hoist, the esky and the wine cask that we would regard ourselves as being technologically advanced enought to see through these kinds of shallow hoaxes - come on Aussies lift your game. Andrew - Original Message - From: Business North To: Business North Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Fw: Virus warning Hi all we received this so are doing the right thing! . I have just had a message warning us that we may have a sleeper virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) infecting our address book. On checking we did indeed find it. This virus is not detected by normal antivirus software like McAfee or Norton. It stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system. The virus is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book, wether or not you sent e-mails to your contacts. I checked, found and deleted it. Now it is your turn!!! 1. Go to Start, Find or Search Option 2. In the Files/Folder option , write the name jdbgmgr.exe 3. Be sure to search in your C: drive 4. Clickfind now 5. The virus has a little bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT!! 6. Right click and delete it (it will then go to the recycle bin) 7. Go to the recycle bin and delete it there as well, or empty the bin IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, LIKE I DID, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS. Emeritus Professor Nigel and Mrs Mandy Forteath B.A., Ph.D., F.T.S.E., F.R.E.S., M.I.Biol., C.Biol. Omlas Pty Ltd ABN: 17 080 319 884 27 Gorge Road TREVALLYN Tasmania 7250 Ph/Fax: (03) 6331 7905 Web page: www.hippa-seahorse.com //***\\ || Two things get me out of the water quickly: || || sharks and toilet paper. || || Billy Connelly || ||***|| || Andrew Lowe B.Eng.(Civil) GradIEAust PEng || || Wombat High Tech *|* Eng. App. Programming|| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] *|* Melbourne, Australia || || www.wht.com.au *|* C, C++, MDL, Java|| \\***// Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Virus warning
From: Ani - Original Message - From: Business North To: Business North Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Fw: Virus warning Hi all we received this so are doing the right thing! . I have just had a message warning us that we may have a sleeper virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) infecting our address book. On checking we did indeed find it. This virus is not detected by normal antivirus software like McAfee or Norton. It stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system. The virus is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book, wether or not you sent e-mails to your contacts. I checked, found and deleted it. Now it is your turn!!! 1. Go to Start, Find or Search Option 2. In the Files/Folder option , write the name jdbgmgr.exe 3. Be sure to search in your C: drive 4. Clickfind now 5. The virus has a little bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT!! 6. Right click and delete it (it will then go to the recycle bin) 7. Go to the recycle bin and delete it there as well, or empty the bin IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, LIKE I DID, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS. Emeritus Professor Nigel and Mrs Mandy Forteath B.A., Ph.D., F.T.S.E., F.R.E.S., M.I.Biol., C.Biol. Omlas Pty Ltd ABN: 17 080 319 884 27 Gorge Road TREVALLYN Tasmania 7250 Ph/Fax: (03) 6331 7905 Web page: www.hippa-seahorse.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Virus warning
Dear List Members, Before you go spreading this type of rubbish, just go to google and do a search on the file that you are being told to delete. You might find, as I expected I would, that it is a hoax, or that it an actual needed file and that people are talking about it in reference to system performance/graphics/networking/etc etc, ie delete the file and screw your system. http://www.europe.f-secure.com/hoaxes/jdbgmgr.shtml It always saddens me when I see Australians passing on this type of tripe - I thought that after we invented the rotary lawn mower, the Hills hoist, the esky and the wine cask that we would regard ourselves as being technologically advanced enought to see through these kinds of shallow hoaxes - come on Aussies lift your game. Andrew - Original Message - From: Business North To: Business North Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Fw: Virus warning Hi all we received this so are doing the right thing! . I have just had a message warning us that we may have a sleeper virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) infecting our address book. On checking we did indeed find it. This virus is not detected by normal antivirus software like McAfee or Norton. It stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system. The virus is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book, wether or not you sent e-mails to your contacts. I checked, found and deleted it. Now it is your turn!!! 1. Go to Start, Find or Search Option 2. In the Files/Folder option , write the name jdbgmgr.exe 3. Be sure to search in your C: drive 4. Clickfind now 5. The virus has a little bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe - DO NOT OPEN IT!! 6. Right click and delete it (it will then go to the recycle bin) 7. Go to the recycle bin and delete it there as well, or empty the bin IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, LIKE I DID, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS. Emeritus Professor Nigel and Mrs Mandy Forteath B.A., Ph.D., F.T.S.E., F.R.E.S., M.I.Biol., C.Biol. Omlas Pty Ltd ABN: 17 080 319 884 27 Gorge Road TREVALLYN Tasmania 7250 Ph/Fax: (03) 6331 7905 Web page: www.hippa-seahorse.com //***\\ || Two things get me out of the water quickly: || || sharks and toilet paper. || || Billy Connelly || ||***|| || Andrew Lowe B.Eng.(Civil) GradIEAust PEng || || Wombat High Tech *|* Eng. App. Programming|| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] *|* Melbourne, Australia || || www.wht.com.au *|* C, C++, MDL, Java|| \\***// Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Yahoo ploy
Thanks. I did opt out. - Original Message - From: motie_d To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: [biofuel] Yahoo ploy -- I found out about another Yahoo ploy to track our web habits and Yahoo has already placed a web beacon on our computer for those of us who are signed up with Yahoo. Yahoo is using the web beacon to track you around the net see what you are doing. If you want to opt out of this new marketing ploy by Yahoo, click on the following link http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html About halfway down the page, on the right side and in bold, you'll find Outside the Yahoo! Network. There's a tiny little link that lets you opt-out of their electronic snooping. It says, Please click here to opt-out. Motie These are the one pixel .gif that I had mentioned earlier when I was having security problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A list of incentives and subsidies for production of BD
Is there a list of all Government incentives and subsidies available for BD industry/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] Multipurpose Palms Multipurpose Palms You Can Grow by Franklin W. Martin describes the many benefits of palms, perhaps the most useful plant family. Covers the best palms for fruit, sugar, starch, vegetables, and oil. http://www.agroforestry.net/pubs/multipalm.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Height: 4567 ft 01234567891011 in Weight: Sex: F M Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Acrolein_(«twas_illegible)
Why do you say sorry boys, but making BD in your backyard is no longer legal ? What stops you from doing it? Any new Government regulations came up recently? - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re:Acrolein_(«twas_illegible) Well, I think I want to make a sincere plea to the group. Could someone please find a way to deal with this acrolien substance in the BD process?? Either by finding a way to not have it produced... or a way to neutralize it ... or whatever. When I hear concerned and carcinogenic ... I hear EPA .. and legislation ... and sorry boys, but making BD in your backyark is no longer legal I have never made BD in my garage in my life. But I really (really really really!!) want to make it in the near future (when my family/home/life cercumstances are more conducive to it). And I certainly don't want to find the gates locked when I get there. Gosh, that would suck!! Curtis --- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I«m a bit concerned with the glycerin/acrolein topic(glycerin thermally decomposes into this dangerous substance). I found little on this topic (Keith and Todd) in the archives. --snip--- But still, it«s a CARCINOGENIC substance you don«t want to mess with. -snip- neither of which you want on your hands. Please let me know what you think. Best to you all, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = Join the Revolution! http://thincnet.com/revolution9/downline/vdownline.html?9107 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] FW: Injector pump timing and nozzle position in SVO system
Kieth: Where can I find the oil yield figures for different grains (soy, Rapeseed, etc) and also fuel-properties of these oils? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] FW: Injector pump timing and nozzle position in SVO system MH wrote: Darren wrote: From the ACREVO study on SVO use in a DI engine: A higher nozzle position in the combustion chamber leads to lower emissions of nitric oxides, but over a maximum permissible position other emissions increase and performance decreases significantly. A later start in pump delivery also causes lower NOX emissions. Nozzle position and start of pump delivery can be changed at the same time, so that both effects add up giving a reduction of up to 75 % of the original value. The corresponding power loss for maximum speed of 2250 revs/min can be up to 17 %, for 2000 revs/min it is less than 10 % and for low speeds it is negligible. I'm having trouble getting my head around the processes involved but guess that the retarding of injection time means the combustion chamber is hotter due to greater compression of gasses. The higher nozzle position allowing the droplets more time to combust fully before they hit the piston or cylinder. Anybody got any thoughts? Noticing CR of ethanol (up to 18 to 1) and diesel CR I would think some percentage of ethanol (w/OH) might help with emissions and rpm's, although a guess on my part, as industry takes a look at Ethanol-Diesel fuel combinations. It has been established that an addition of 9 % of ethyl alcohol (95 %) [to rapeseed oil] bring a great benefit regarding the pre-heating oil temperature. In fact, the presence of alcohol allows a reduction in the inlet oil temperature from 150 ¡C to 80 ¡C. Moreover, the combustion of the emulsion produces less soot and, at the exhaust, the amount is almost one half less than that produced by the combustion of rapeseed oil. http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm ACREVO study report Keith My reasoning is simplistic having read who knows where that ethanol power is derived at mid-range rpm's where, I suspect, most spark ignition IC engine maximum torque/rpm is located. I'm unaware of the torque curve pattern of compression ignition diesel. Another thought is - as the combination of ignition temp and rpm's - temps increase generating more NOx emissions as you mentioned above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil yield/kg
I am looking for oil yield per Kg (or, per Lb) figures for different oils (soy, Castor, Canola, Mustard, etc. Can anybody tell me where? - Original Message - From: MH To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Energy crops I was thinking about energy from ethanol and oilseed yields and how it relates to each other briefly Ethanol from corn, sugar beets and Jerusalem artichokes keying off of Table 2. Average yield of 99.5 percent alcohol per acre** http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meCh3.html#alcoholyield NOTE: all based on US gallons/acre Corn yield about 214 ethanol gallons/acre divide by 2.5 gal/bushel equals 85.6 bu/ac and 1.5 (*) pounds of oil/bu divide by 7.0 lbs/gal equals 0.21 gal/bu multiply by 85.6 bu/ac equals 18 gallons of oil/ac Yielding: Ethanol 214 gal/ac, Corn oil 18 gal/ac Sugar beet yield about 412 ethanol gal/ac Jerusalem artichokes yield about 1200 ethanol gal/ac divide by 3 harvests of head per year equals about 400 ethanol gal/ac (one harvest per year) Summarizing yield - about: 232 gal/acre corn (maize) [ethanol and oil] 412 gal/acsugar beet [ethanol] 400 gal/acjerusalem artichokes [ethanol] (one harvest per year) The following keyed off of http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Yield - about: 18 gal/acre corn (maize) [oil] 48 gal/ac soybean [oil] 61 gal/ac mustard seed [oil] 102 gal/ac sunflowers [oil] 127 gal/ac rapeseed [oil] 151 gal/ac castor beans [oil] 194 gal/ac jojoba [oil] 635 gal/ac palm oil [oil] Note: Btu values ? I've heard Jerusalem artichokes grow like weeds and may be a healthy tuber substitute for potatoes. Any further thoughts or how to's ? Again thank you in advance! (*) www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/module2.htm ` Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what could it be?
Where can I find info on continuous process for BD? Thanks - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] what could it be? Ken Provost wrote: snip Seriously, tho, what you're doing is great -- FFAs are basically the final effluent you have to deal with after neutralizing everything else. They're fairly strong herbicides, so you really don't want to just toss 'em in the compost with the aqueous phase. Ken, do you have a handy reference with more info on this? Are all FFAs herbicides? I know VFAs are generally recognised as phytotoxins, don't know about other FFAs. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: Is it now time to talk to your congressman?? again
Tell me about that! How can we retain jobs here if we have everything in Wal Mart and such big stores (even small ones) have Made in China. GO and check Wal-Mart and try to find one thing made in USA. BUYER, BEWARE! Your Job is at stake! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: [biofuel] RE: Is it now time to talk to your congressman?? again I was thinking. If we lose that many jobs whenever we buy foreign products, what does that say about buying everything electronic from (made in)china?? Maybe. Or the millions of Cars we buy from Germany and Japan (or Korea for that matter)?? Maybe not - Alan Petrillo posted an article a while back about car companies merging, which showed that some of the foreign cars are more American than the American cars. Chrysler was recently bought out from Daimiler-Benz wasn't it?? The U.S. tax system puts global companies at a decisive disadvantage, John Loffredo, the vice president and chief tax counsel for Chrysler and its successor, DaimlerChrysler, told a hearing of the House Ways and Means Committee on June 30, 1999, just 20 years after his predecessors had gone, hat in hand, to beg Congress for a bailout. This issue became a major concern and when the time came to choose whether the new company should be a U.S. company or a foreign company, management chose a company organized under the laws of Germany. http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm?ID=4190 Chrysler Opted Out Of Taxes Adapted From The Book, The Cheating Of America Have you opened up a subject that could be expanded to other things?? But I think it's not so simple. Best Keith Thanks for getting me thinking!! Curtis --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere that for every million dollars we spend to buy foreign products we lose so many jobs in the US. I forget the numbers but it was staggering how many jobs are lost because of America's dependence on foreign oil. I would have to think that this would include MTBE from Canada as well. The people who wrote this report didn't say just jobs in the Midwest or on the coasts. Just that they were American jobs. Even if it was only produced in the Midwest it would be good for the whole country. George Why are there no ethanol plants in NY,CA? does nothing grow in these states Do they not have ports to import cheap corn to make ETOH? Does California produce all their own dino-fuel, or did they support building a pipeline down from Alaska. I think there ought to be an added tax on any Ethanol shipped out of a state else the people that paid for these plants are not going to realize the cost savings of local production. Why doesn't CA have enough ethanol plants, the Federal Gov't has been begging and paying for them for a while and its only getting better. Come on Coasties put on your thinking caps and figure out ways to make ethanol and biodiesel and get with the program. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Suppliers?
Tom: I see a response from David Teal to your posting on the web. I suggest you just ignore it and continue with our project. As I said, these are many urchins on that web site and we should try to stay above them. -Chandra - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Suppliers? Reports of the death of Homestead Inc. and the cessation of Yellow Brand PREMIUM Biodiesel have been greatly exaggerated. I am sorry that your web listing no longer includes the quality product I produce, if it ever did include my production. Your list would be far more helpful to the public if it were trying to be comprehensive, rather than just the good old boys in the NBB. Homestead Inc. now sells Yellow brand Biodiesel Degreaser. This product is effective in parts washing machines and other cleaning chores. It is non-volatile, wonderfully effective either warm or cold, non-toxic, and can be safely disposed of in any waste oil burner, making the other oil even burn cleaner! Yellow Biodiesel Degreaser is available daily at Homestead Inc. in Ashfield, MA. Call 800 285-4533 (or 413 628-4533) for availability and sales information. Current prices is $2,40 per gallon, or in a handy, recycled, 5 gallon package for $13.00 Tom Leue In a message dated 4/28/02 2:51:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay... Is this an obvious declaration of a need to develop a biodieseler's index of small producers? Todd Swearingen Yes. We have suppliers listed at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html Biofuels supplies and suppliers And much besides, we don't get to hear of small producers, and we're much more interested in them anyway. I'd love to be able to offer a list of small producers, local producers, coops etc. Also local groups, local workshops, local what have you. Just send me the info, please, and I'll upload it and announce it. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited
Who is this NBB? Are they a statutory Government body? or, are they an organization-for-profit? If they are a private body, then, how did they get this blanket rights to control the whole biodiesel industry? Do they make money out of this? Is it not wise on us to check who is behind this organization and how much of the Government involvement is there? I have a feeling NBB is a private body that has acquired rights from the Government to monitor the Biodiesel industry , and by doing so, make profit. If it is like that, then it is not fair and people have right not to comply with its requirement. We cannot honor a company and agree to follow its standards if that company is after making profit. NBB does not look like EPA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:25:58 -0400 Subject: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited was Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Why mix heating oil? Blane, It's not all as simple as that. The $5,000 annual membership fee for the NBB applies whether 1 gallon or 1,000,000 gallons is produced for on-road use. They create no sliding scale to accommodate micro-regional manufacture and small production levels. While their mission statement is to serve the biodiesel industry, they economically preclude the very sector of the industry that brought it to predominance prior to soy interests assuming title role. This should be more than a little disconcerting. Were the NBB to actively serve the best present day and future interests of the biodiesel industry as a whole and as it professes, rather than specific feedstock sectors or production levels, they would alter their membership requirements to include at minimum the following: 1) Implement a reasonable sliding-scale membership fee, based upon annual production level. 2) Authorize the use of independent auditors to check the books as needed to maintain each member's security of proprietary customer data, rather than such data being mandatorily available to the NBB specifically. The audit clause of membership is too broad and invasive as presently written. 3) Establish a cost effective product analysis system that can afford small producers the opportunity to have their product's quality checked at least once or twice each fiscal year, rather than implementing a system that requires a once in a lifetime product analysis. 4) Remove the bond forfeiture clause for non-members should the soybean councils not recover their Tier I II checkoff dollar investment by May 25, 2015. Better still, remove the May 25, 2015 deadline entirely and open end it to accommodate whatever date these revenues are recovered, at which time all bonds will be returned in the manner prescribed by the bylaws. Were such simple measures implemented, there would be considerably more interest in, availability and consumption of biodiesel at all levels in a far shorter period than presently exists. It makes no good sense for the NBB and or soybean councils to take the lead and then excessively restrict micro-manufacture. All this can do is effectively stifle market demand on a national scale, which hinders the best interests of the soybean councils in both the short and long term. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Blane Robinson To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Why mix heating oil? I wonder how many people in this group have actually done any research on the actual circumstances surrounding the Yellow controversy. I have. One can see why the government doesn't want unregulated fuel on the highways. You never know what you might get. That's the statement they use, anyway. Be that as it may, all the complaining we can do in our midst won't change the requirements that the government puts on producers of motor fuels. The requirements are this: If you are going to market a diesel related fuel, it has to meet the specifications for diesel fuel, in every way. If it doesn't, you're introducing a new fuel, and you have to have the Tier I and Tier II, and possibly Tier III health effects tests. The alternative to getting these tests is to align yourself with an organization that already has this health-effects data. The NBB is one such organization. Yellow Biodiesel was given the opportunity to join the NBB on numerous occasions, but chose not to. The price at that time was $2,500 per year. That's not outrageous. Many people make the NBB out to be some predatory, exclusionary organization, but in reality they offer a fairly low-cost way to meet the standards that the Federal government has imposed. It's also
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited
This definition of NBB (from its own web site) tells: 1. It is a trade association. 2. It was founded by a group of soybean growers who have their own vested interest in BD business. 3. Its objective is to COORDINATE RD activities. 4. It is not a statutory body authorized by Parliament to REGULATE. biodiesel industry. 5. It does not have any regulatory powers. 6. It must be interesting to know how much FUNDING the Soybean community Groups provided for RD in the biodiesel development. Assuming they did fund such research work,it should be considered as a part of their business promotion expenses to sell their product! That does not make them the guardians of BD industry! 7. NBB says it has developed into a comprehensive industry association, which coordinates and interacts with a broad range of cooperators including industry, government, and academia. But, where does the small guy, who is the real backbone of RD work, does fit in here? In fact, he has been squeezed out of picture! It sounds like OK you small guy, you have done enough for the industry, now the industry has become lucrative, we will take over from here, you back off. otherwise... 8. We all should ask NBB how much money is given to them by the Government and what is it used for. There seems to be substantial contribution from tax payers money. 9. Where does that Tier-I, Tier-II money goes to? 10. It looks like somebody trying to take a free ride on this business - Original Message - From: Shaen Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited From their website: The NBB is the national trade association representing the biodiesel industry as the coordinating body for research and development in the US. It was founded in 1992 by state soybean commodity groups, who were funding biodiesel research and development programs. Since that time, the NBB has developed into a comprehensive industry association, which coordinates and interacts with a broad range of cooperators including industry, government, and academia. NBB's membership is comprised of state, national, and international feedstock and feedstock processor organizations, biodiesel suppliers, fuel marketers and distributors, and technology providers. The National Biodiesel Board is based in Jefferson City, Missouri, USA. Their web address is www.biodiesel.org. Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/23/2002 07:10 AM Please respond to biofuels-biz To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com cc: (bcc: Shaen Rooney/APCP/DEQ/MODNR) Subject:Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited Who is this NBB? Are they a statutory Government body? or, are they an organization-for-profit? If they are a private body, then, how did they get this blanket rights to control the whole biodiesel industry? Do they make money out of this? Is it not wise on us to check who is behind this organization and how much of the Government involvement is there? I have a feeling NBB is a private body that has acquired rights from the Government to monitor the Biodiesel industry , and by doing so, make profit. If it is like that, then it is not fair and people have right not to comply with its requirement. We cannot honor a company and agree to follow its standards if that company is after making profit. NBB does not look like EPA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:25:58 -0400 Subject: NBB Micro-Manufacture Revisited was Re: [Biodiesel] Re: Why mix heating oil? Blane, It's not all as simple as that. The $5,000 annual membership fee for the NBB applies whether 1 gallon or 1,000,000 gallons is produced for on-road use. They create no sliding scale to accommodate micro-regional manufacture and small production levels. While their mission statement is to serve the biodiesel industry, they economically preclude the very sector of the industry that brought it to predominance prior to soy interests assuming title role. This should be more than a little disconcerting. Were the NBB to actively serve the best present day and future interests of the biodiesel industry as a whole and as it professes, rather than specific feedstock sectors or production levels, they would alter their membership requirements to include at minimum the following: 1) Implement a reasonable sliding-scale membership fee, based upon annual production level. 2) Authorize the use of independent auditors to check the books as needed to maintain each member's security of proprietary customer
Re: [biofuel] New to BD and this mail list.
What is your interest in BD? - Original Message - From: Paul Lochner To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] New to BD and this mail list. Good day, Are there any BD groups or brave souls playing with BD in Ontario, Canada? I am looking to team up. Biofuelers, keep up the good work! Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Remember, here you have the freedom to write like this
But, my friend, it the same US where you have the courage and rights to spill out your anger. Don;t forget THAT. Now, can you go to any place in mid east and write against a Government there? Com'on my friend, don't get carried away by false propaganda. See where your freedom and rights are protected. Be honest, whoever you are may be. - Original Message - From: Monty Berg To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust Goerge, Here are a few things I've put together. Since we had breached the topic and gone into religon and politics I'll post this here. Off topic as all get out but don't think for a second the west is on any high moral ground. January 16, 1991, when then President Bush attacked Baghdad, and the rest of Iraq and began killing 200,000 people. U.S. sponsored coup against democracy in Guatemala in 1954 resulted in the deaths of over 120,000 Guatemalan peasants by U.S. installed dictatorships over the course of four decades. U.S. overthrew the governments of the Dominican Republic in 1965 and helped to kill 3,000 people. In 1973, the U.S. sponsored a coup in Chile against the democratic government of Salvador Allende and helped to kill 30,000 people, including U.S. citizens. 1965 the U.S. sponsored a coup in Indonesia that resulted in the death of over 800,000 people. 1975 over 250,000 people killed in East Timor by the Indonesian regime with the direct complicity of President Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissenger. U.S. sponsored terrorist contra war (the World Court declared the U.S. government a war criminal in 1984 for the mining of the harbors) against Nicaragua in the 1980s which resulted in the deaths of over 30,000 innocent people. U.S. war against the people of El Salvador in the 1980s, which resulted in the brutal deaths of over 80,000 people. U.S. sponsored war against the peoples of southern Africa (especially Angola) that began in the 1970's and continues to this day and has resulted in the deaths and mutilations of over 1,000,000. U.S. invaded Panama over the Christmas season of 1989 and killed over 8,000 in an attempt to capture George H. Bush's CIA partner, now turned enemy, Manual Noriega. Shah of Iran was installed in a U.S. sponsored brutal coup that resulted in the deaths of over 70,000 Iranians from 1952-1979. Ayatollah Khomani, who overthrew the Shah in 1979, and who was the U.S. public enemy for decade of the 1980s, was also on the CIA payroll, while he was in exile in Paris in the 1970s. U.S. has manufactured consent since 1948 for its support of Israel, to the exclusion of virtually any rights for the Palestinians in their native lands resulting in ever worsening day-to- day conditions for the people of Palestine. I was shocked as I learned about the hundreds of towns and villages that were literally wiped off the face of the earth in the early days of Israeli colonization. In 1982 the villagers of Sabra and Shatila were massacred by Israeli allies with direct Israeli complicity and direction. Thousands died on that day. Lebanon in the 1980s with resulted in the deaths of tens of thousand of people, with no reference to the fact that the country that inflicted the terror on Lebanon was Israel, with U.S. backing. U.S. in Indochina from 1954- 1975, especially Vietnam, where over 4,000,000 people were killed. U.S. attacked and bombed with impunity the nation of Libya in the 1980s, U.S. bombed and invaded Grenada in 1983. U.S. military and CIA actions in Somalia, Haiti, Afghanistan, Sudan, Brazil, Argentina, and Yugoslavia. The deaths in these actions ran into the hundreds of thousands. About 8 million people were killed in the last century, not including WW1 WW2, either directly or indirectly, by the United States. Monte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Re: EPA vs. biodiesel producer issue
Tom: I received this email (below) on Friday morning after I received your response to my attachments. Do I have to send you anything? Did I forget to send you something? Also, I did not receive the NBA documents on $100, 000 bond requirement. (One of your attachments , I could not open. It could be the bond requirement documents. I do not know). - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Re: EPA vs. biodiesel producer issue Chandra, No, I cann access on the other browser. Can you tell me about the attachments? Any questions? Tom Leue Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Cost of production of Biodiesel in commercial quantity.
Any study done on cost of production of biodiesel in large quantity ? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - 10 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent:Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:53:17 +0900 Subject: Re: [biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - 10 Send reply to:biofuel@yahoogroups.com [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying them - I was beginning to wonder. :-) I'm in there too Keith, hanging on every word. Next one on it's way. Great! Thanks in anticipation James Hi James Right, good, I'll keep going then, a few more to go. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] Re: EPA vs. biodiesel producer issue
Tom: Pl. see attached two documents.-Chandra [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Set me straight, eh
Where did you get this report? I could not open the site: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? Can you open and post the details? Thanks - Original Message - From: k5farms To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] Set me straight, eh The layer between the biodiesel and the glycerine is an herbicide/ the mustard seed squeezin's are a pesticide and it should be safer than: This rigorous scientific study reinforces what we and other scientists have been saying for years -- atrazine is a dangerous pesticide, the council's Jennifer Sass said. It's no surprise that it's been banned by many European countries. She said the study had implications for humans, especially children who have not reached puberty http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/nm/20020415/sc_nm/environment_frogs_dc_1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - interested?
Interested. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - interested? Interested say I. Hand raised. The oil weapon when fully implemented is going to hurt a lot of people. Damned shame US politicians have had their head up sniffing methane for the last 25 years. But they were good years I guess. It will prove to not have been worth it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] OPEC, Big Oil and you - interested? Hi all I mentioned this book a week or two ago, and said I'd scan some of it. I've now scanned a few chapters. I'll post them here, bit by bit, if anyone's interested. If not, not. But, with oil prices rising again, the growing nasty mess in Israel, US threats against Iraq and the Arabs calling for use of the oil weapon, plus a very great deal of demonising going on in the US since Sept 11, a bit of background and history might be pertinent right now. The Seven Sisters The Great Oil Companies and the World They Made Anthony Sampson Hodder and Stoughton, 1975, ISBN 0 340 19427 8 The Seven Sisters (from a phrase first popularised by Italian oil tycoon Enrico Mattei): Exxon (Esso), Shell, BP, Gulf, Texaco, Mobil, Socal (Chevron) - plus an eighth, the Compagnie Francaise Des Ptroles (CFP-Total). Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency?
Any response? - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency? Keith: Why don't you open up a discussion on BD and SVO Vs other renewable energy sources (Fuel Cell, Hybrid, etc.)? We need this discussion to assure ourselves about the validity and sustainability of BD SVO technology if we want to go into business.. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency? http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5292 TOMPAINE.com - Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency? Some Auto-Makers Push Forward Without The Governments Help Julie Halpert reports for the Great Lakes Radio Consortium. It's a clear battle between emerging technologies: what's available now: hybrid engines, versus fuel cells, which aren't due for at least 10 years. Hybrids use current technology, a gasoline engine, and add an electric engine for additional boost. A hybrid car typically gets double the mileage of a non-hybrid. Toyota and Honda have both opted for the quicker path. They've been offering hybrid cars now for the past few years. Toyota's Prius is a sedan. Honda chose a sporty, two-seater, the Insight. But whether sporty or practical, Honda's Andy Boyd says consumers embraced the new engine. We had a great reaction to Insight -- people really excited by the technology, very accepting of it. It's very transparent technology, easy to use and we think it's ready for prime time. Prime time for Honda means putting the hybrid engine on a more practical vehicle, which they're doing. The Honda Civic is a company best seller. The hybrid Civic goes on sale in April. Priced around $20,000 the Civic will get 50 miles per gallon. And Boyd thinks it will result in even broader acceptance of hybrid technology. A domestic automaker is also jumping on the hybrid bandwagon, hoping to broaden the hybrid's appeal. Ford Motor Company will launch the hybrid Escape sport utility vehicle later next year. Ford's Jon Harmon says that's an even better vehicle choice than the Japanese offerings. Most of those vehicles have limitations because they're such small vehicles and we think that by giving a vehicle with more functionality that customers are looking for, like the Escape HEV, that we're really going to open up that market. The hybrid Escape will get 40 miles to the gallon in the city, twice the mileage of its gasoline engine counterpart. But while hybrids make big dents in reducing pollution, they're not considered the final answer to the environmental problem. The more promising contender is fuel cells. In a minute we'll introduce a revolutionary concept, so revolutionary that we believe it's no stretch to say it could literally reinvent the automobile. General Motors President and CEO Rick Wagoner unveiled his company's first fuel cell car prototype, the Autonomy, at the North American International Auto Show earlier this year. Fuel cells run on a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. They emit only water vapor and heat, so they're essentially pollution free. They're also extremely fuel-efficient. But even the GM fuel cell car won't be available for at least 10 years. That's because the technology still faces many financial and engineering hurdles. Even so, GM spokesman Bill Nowak says that investing in fuel cell technology is smarter than putting money in less effective, short-term hybrids. It has a fair amount of potential to improve your efficiency but you're adding another power plant. In other words, a hybrid combines an internal combustion engine with an electric motor so there's some cost factors involved in that. That's why we think the best technology by far is the pure fuel cell. Still, many experts and other automakers don't expect to see fuel cells on the road very soon. David Hermantz is with Toyota's Technical Center. He says it could take 20 or 30 years. And he's concerned that by pushing for fuel cells, GM's trying to postpone any near-term actions to reduce auto pollution. GM's interim image appears to be that 'leave us alone for now and we'll get to fuel cells in the future' and we think we need some kind of progressive path to get to the future. That path for Toyota is a commitment to offer 300,000 hybrid vehicles a year worldwide beginning 2005. Honda also will continue promoting hybrids. Again, Honda's Andy Boyd. In the long-term, fuel cells are probably going to be the answer, but again, if we're looking out about 30 to 40 years, do we want to wait that long to try and do something about fuel efficiency and reducing emissions? Reducing
Re: [biofuel] Jojoba
Thanks. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Jojoba No. The two are different beasts. http://www.cis.tugraz.at/biote/jatropha/proceedings.htm#BIOFUELS http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_MV083 Todd Swearingen. - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Jojoba Is JOJOBA and Jatropha same? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6GDALA/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency?
Keith: Why don't you open up a discussion on BD and SVO Vs other renewable energy sources (Fuel Cell, Hybrid, etc.)? We need this discussion to assure ourselves about the validity and sustainability of BD SVO technology if we want to go into business.. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency? http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5292 TOMPAINE.com - Detroit: A Drive Toward Fuel Efficiency? Some Auto-Makers Push Forward Without The Governments Help Julie Halpert reports for the Great Lakes Radio Consortium. It's a clear battle between emerging technologies: what's available now: hybrid engines, versus fuel cells, which aren't due for at least 10 years. Hybrids use current technology, a gasoline engine, and add an electric engine for additional boost. A hybrid car typically gets double the mileage of a non-hybrid. Toyota and Honda have both opted for the quicker path. They've been offering hybrid cars now for the past few years. Toyota's Prius is a sedan. Honda chose a sporty, two-seater, the Insight. But whether sporty or practical, Honda's Andy Boyd says consumers embraced the new engine. We had a great reaction to Insight -- people really excited by the technology, very accepting of it. It's very transparent technology, easy to use and we think it's ready for prime time. Prime time for Honda means putting the hybrid engine on a more practical vehicle, which they're doing. The Honda Civic is a company best seller. The hybrid Civic goes on sale in April. Priced around $20,000 the Civic will get 50 miles per gallon. And Boyd thinks it will result in even broader acceptance of hybrid technology. A domestic automaker is also jumping on the hybrid bandwagon, hoping to broaden the hybrid's appeal. Ford Motor Company will launch the hybrid Escape sport utility vehicle later next year. Ford's Jon Harmon says that's an even better vehicle choice than the Japanese offerings. Most of those vehicles have limitations because they're such small vehicles and we think that by giving a vehicle with more functionality that customers are looking for, like the Escape HEV, that we're really going to open up that market. The hybrid Escape will get 40 miles to the gallon in the city, twice the mileage of its gasoline engine counterpart. But while hybrids make big dents in reducing pollution, they're not considered the final answer to the environmental problem. The more promising contender is fuel cells. In a minute we'll introduce a revolutionary concept, so revolutionary that we believe it's no stretch to say it could literally reinvent the automobile. General Motors President and CEO Rick Wagoner unveiled his company's first fuel cell car prototype, the Autonomy, at the North American International Auto Show earlier this year. Fuel cells run on a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. They emit only water vapor and heat, so they're essentially pollution free. They're also extremely fuel-efficient. But even the GM fuel cell car won't be available for at least 10 years. That's because the technology still faces many financial and engineering hurdles. Even so, GM spokesman Bill Nowak says that investing in fuel cell technology is smarter than putting money in less effective, short-term hybrids. It has a fair amount of potential to improve your efficiency but you're adding another power plant. In other words, a hybrid combines an internal combustion engine with an electric motor so there's some cost factors involved in that. That's why we think the best technology by far is the pure fuel cell. Still, many experts and other automakers don't expect to see fuel cells on the road very soon. David Hermantz is with Toyota's Technical Center. He says it could take 20 or 30 years. And he's concerned that by pushing for fuel cells, GM's trying to postpone any near-term actions to reduce auto pollution. GM's interim image appears to be that 'leave us alone for now and we'll get to fuel cells in the future' and we think we need some kind of progressive path to get to the future. That path for Toyota is a commitment to offer 300,000 hybrid vehicles a year worldwide beginning 2005. Honda also will continue promoting hybrids. Again, Honda's Andy Boyd. In the long-term, fuel cells are probably going to be the answer, but again, if we're looking out about 30 to 40 years, do we want to wait that long to try and do something about fuel efficiency and reducing emissions? Reducing fuel consumption is the greatest thing we can do to cut emissions. Still, the federal government currently prefers the long-term option. The Energy Department recently scrapped an existing hybrid research program and instead decided to fund an effort to develop a fuel cell powered vehicle. That concerns Mike Flynn. Flynn
Re: [biofuel] research papers was: graphics (Manolo?) + other things
How do you join this group? I tried but could not. - Original Message - From: manolorolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:40 AM Subject: [biofuel] research papers was: graphics (Manolo?) + other things for Christian and the spanish speaking people on this group. on the yahoo's biogasoil group i've been gathering some research papers, and articles on biodiesel, you can get there through this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biogasoil/links/Estudios_biodiesel_00101 4795122 be careful because the url is splited on two lines. I think you need to join first to that group. you can also contribute with your url's cheers Manolo Roln Valencia, Spain http://www27.brinkster.com/manolorolan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] confused......
Thanks Shivakumar. I will use it to prepare my letter to these three. -Chandra Sekhar - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] confused.. biodiesel, if there is a significant methanol content. none with commercial biod, but some of us don't wash our biod. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: J Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] confused.. I have been looking into making my own biodiesel for a while. and am a little confused. Is it waste vegetable oil or biodiesel that can cause problems with o-rings in your fuel system??? Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Surfing the world's patent databases
You have used this site to promote IP-Discover product. This type of misuse discourages the visitors to come back to this site. - Original Message - From: tslothrop2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:29 AM Subject: [biofuel] Surfing the world's patent databases Hi Folks: It's remarkable to me how much practical information concerning renewable energy technology is stored in the patent databases of the world. This tool makes mining those databases a lot easier. http://www.ipdiscover.com Check it out. It's a great stimulus to new ideas. . . . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal
If you have any information about Portugal, please let us all know. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] BioD in Portugal A pal of mine says that quite a fair amount of BioD is made in Portugal. Does anyone know anything about this? Best regs James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds
Thanks John. Is there any small biodiesel units available? Is it possible to make one? If yes, where can I find information? - Original Message - From: John Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds Yes I recon you are interpreting it correctly. Corn 129 Pounds of oil per acre = 18 gallons BioD Palm Oil 4465Pounds oil per acre = 635 gallons BioD On a biodiesel basis alone you could never justify growing corn - however if you are throwing the oil away as an unwanted byproduct when you husk the corn kernal then the picture changes. also of course an acre of corn grown on cheep broard acre farming country against a couple of palm trees on dearer wetter country also has to be considered. regards JohnH - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 15 February 2002 5:33 Subject: Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds I went to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html for oil yield. One example in it is: Corn. Corn gives 129 Labs of oil yield per acre and 18 US gal of biodiesel yield per acre. How do we justify this, 18 gallons per acre of corn? Second example: Oil Palm; Oil Palm gives 4465 Labs of oil yield per acre and 635 gallons of boiodiesel yield per acre. Am I interpreting the table correctly? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wropte: Is there any data available about the oil content of different oil seeds? Any Government body or non-profit organization maintaining this data? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journey to Forever Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: infornation on ethanol dehydration using molecular sieve urgently required for India
yes, we all received the message. Thanks. - Original Message - From: jai uppal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: infornation on ethanol dehydration using molecular sieve urgently required for India Hi Keith, I have sent the message again to the group and to Andy i hope everyone receives it.Please confirm. Thanks for informing me promptly. Keep up the excellent work!! Jai --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jai uppal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. Sorry, the list doesn't accept attachments. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds
I went to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html for oil yield. One example in it is: Corn. Corn gives 129 Labs of oil yield per acre and 18 US gal of biodiesel yield per acre. How do we justify this, 18 gallons per acre of corn? Second example: Oil Palm; Oil Palm gives 4465 Labs of oil yield per acre and 635 gallons of boiodiesel yield per acre. Am I interpreting the table correctly? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wropte: Is there any data available about the oil content of different oil seeds? Any Government body or non-profit organization maintaining this data? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields, characteristics: Journey to Forever Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds
I understand that the gallon figures are the oils. But, as it is said at the top of the table, biodiesel yield is = 0.8 x oil yield. So, 18 gallons of corn oil gives (0.8 x 18) gallons of biodiesel (approximately). Am I right? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html for oil yield. One example in it is: Corn. Corn gives 129 Labs of oil yield per acre and 18 US gal of biodiesel yield per acre. How do we justify this, 18 gallons per acre of corn? Second example: Oil Palm; Oil Palm gives 4465 Labs of oil yield per acre and 635 gallons of boiodiesel yield per acre. Am I interpreting the table correctly? No you're not. I don't know what a Lab is, but it reads lbs = pounds weight. Corn gives 129 pounds/18 gallons of oil per acre - corn oil, not biodiesel (the table's headed Vegetable oil yelds). 18 gallons of oil weighs 129 pounds (approx). Oil palm gives 4465 pounds/635 gallons of palm oil per acre. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel from Paddy husk, Saw dust and cane sugar pulp
For Biodiesel production in large scale, how do the following raw material stand: 1. Paddy Husk (Rice is made by removing the outer husk of paddy) 2. Saw dust 3. Cane sugar pulp Is there any value in these for biodiesel production? If you have any system(s) to use these raw materials, please respond. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors
We are on look out for a company having experience and technical expertise on medium- to large-size biodiesel plants. These plants, to be established in various regions in a tropical country, must be cost effective for local markets and versatile enough to utilize the locally available raw material (used grease, animal fat, used cooking oil and other fatty waste materials). Currently, we have business activities in the country in consumer's products with exclusive rights for several regions and access to an established distribution network nationwide. Through our existing business, we have access to financial resources to establish a series of biodiesel plants and a wide network of distribution outlets. We would like to hear from you of your interest in the project and would appreciate any details about your products, expertise and experience. - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors We have the expertise and experience ,please advise us of your requirements. - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors We are in Toronto, Canada. We are looking for a Biodiesel project for a country in Asia. If you have the expertise and experience, please contact us either by email or by phone. -Chandra (905) 257-3554 - Original Message - From: martin.brook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors Where are you Geographically R.S.V.P. A. S. A. P- Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors We are interested in medium to large scale manufacturing plant of Biodiesel fuel to take up commercial production. We are also interested to hear about new and improved processes developed to produce Biodiesel in commercial quantity using cooking oil (used), used grease and animal waste. We would be interested to take it from prototype level to commercial level. Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biofuel plants and new processes.
We are interested in medium to large scale manufacturing plant of Biodiesel fuel to take up commercial production. We are also interested to hear about new and improved processes developed to produce Biodiesel in commercial quantity using cooking oil (used), used grease and animal waste. We would be interested to take it from prototype level to commercial level. Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
