[biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks http://www.nationalcenter.org/TSR60502.html DATE: June 5, 2002 BACKGROUND: The Wall Street Journal (1) reported recently that long-haul truck sales have skyrocketed primarily as trucking firms buy new rigs before new anti-pollution rules for diesel engines take effect October 1, 2002. The added cost of the new less polluting engines is estimated to be between $3000 and $5000. In addition, the engines are reported to be less fuel efficient, more costly to maintain and possibly more prone to breakdowns while in use. TEN SECOND RESPONSE: Here's another example of how over-reaching regulation can backfire and have just the opposite effect it intended. THIRTY SECOND RESPONSE: By trying to impose mandatory changes in diesel engines as of October, EPA pushed the trucking industry to buy trucks before the new rule goes into effect, thus thwarting its intentions. These trucks will stay on the roads for several years before being replaced. Whereas if the market were allowed to work unfettered, consumer demand for cleaner diesel engines would have accomplished the same thing. DISCUSSION: Manufacturers of the diesel engines have reportedly told EPA that they may not be able to produce reliable new engines as required as of October 1, 2002. However, EPA has not yet granted an extension of the timetable and is recommending fines of up to $15,000 per engine sold after Oct. 1 that don't meet the new standard. The new standard set in 1998 would reduce the nitrogen oxide (NOX) emissions from diesel engines by about one-third by 2008, according to EPA. NOX emissions are thought to be one of the major contributors to smog. by Gretchen Randall, Director John P. McGovern, MD Center for Environmental and Regulatory Affairs The National Center for Public Policy Research Contact the author at: 773-857-5086 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] The National Center for Public Policy Research, Chicago office 3712 North Broadway - PMB 279 Chicago, IL 60613 Footnote: 1 Truck Firms Go on Buying Binge to Circumvent a New EPA Rule, Jeffrey Ball, The Wall Street Journal, May 28, 2002, downloaded from http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1022539501352661400-search,00.html?collection=wsjie/30dayvql-string=%28truck+firms+go+on+buying+binge%29%3Cin%3E%28article%2Dbody%29, subscription required. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks
Sad what this list has come too. Name calling and put downs the tools of small minded people. The article is being reported by many sources and if you feel it needs to be debunked. Then by all means have at it. At 03:02 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 02:59:52PM -0500, Tee wrote: No I don't waste my time. Give your ego a rest. Your not that impressive. Oh, 'tis not my ego that's the problem here, dearest. But simply that we're all waiting with bated breath to hear the answer. Official propagandists for the USA or (who is it you work for again, deary?) should be able to answer questions, don't you think? C'mon now, you *do* have something better than I don't waste my time or give yur ego a rest, eh? A real answer? At 01:25 PM 6/6/02 -0500, you wrote: H, been far longer than the ten second responce -- or the 30 minute. So, cat got your tongue? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Senators Reach Agreement on Fuel Economy
At 12:05 PM 3/11/02 -0800, you wrote: It is an implied power. It is an environmental and state-of-the-union issue. The more fuel that gets wasted, the more CO2 and noxious chemicals in the atmosphere. Or do you say that anyone has the right to do anything? And no it's not an implied power. Commerce Clause Art L sec. 8 To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any inside info on what type of vehicles these 'gentlemen' own? Or is this just another case of, Do as I say, NOT as I do? Just for curiosity's sake, does anyone have any idea what part of the US Constitution gives the Congress the legal authority to address this issue? I can't seem to think of any of the Enumerated Powers that gives them that authority. Or seatbelts and speed limits for that matter. Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = -Martin Klingensmith http://archive.nnytech.net/ http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Imported post
Well said, Martin. T At 12:39 PM 2/4/02 -0800, you wrote: Those cars are toys the cars don't kill people, the people kill people. Do I sound ignorant? no. It is the truth. You can't argue with that. People have an obsession with the machines, not just the fact that they look intimidating or can go fast. My chevy cavalier with a 4cyl 2.2l engine has a road-speed governor at 106 MPH. Do I drive it that fast? Hell no. Why? It's dangerous and I don't want to. You cannot ban something simply because it has the potential to cause harm. I could ride a bike down the road at amazing speeds and hurt myself or someone else. Is there any reason for such a fast bike? Not really. Am I comparing apples and oranges? No. -Martin Klingensmith --- motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A MODEST PROPOSAL: BAN ASSAULT VEHICLES by J.Kish, Vieth Sports Supply, Mentor Ohio Pursuant to recent legislative events and heightened concern for public safety, the political climate is ripe for the following proposal. As is well known, traffic accidents are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States. Trauma centers are choked with victims of reckless driving, overburdening health care facilities and the insurance industry. Past laws have been ineffective at curbing irresponsible and/or criminal behavior such as speeding and driving while under the influence of intoxicants. Therefore, what must be controlled is the free and easy access to dangerous and overpowered vehicles of foreign and domestic manufacture. = -Martin Klingensmith http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Archive Operational
Thanks for all your work. T At 09:22 AM 1/27/02 -0800, you wrote: The Email-Archive for the Biofuel list is now operational. It works however I am still adding features to it. If you have any recommendations please tell me. It can be found at http://archive.nnytech.net/ Thanks = -Martin Klingensmith http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] UNSUBSCRIBE: Those having trouble
Yahoo has had a problem with this for some time now. Go to Yahoo groups and change your email preference to no email. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ click on Edit My Membership top right of page. Down the page to Message Delivery click on No email. Don't send me email, I'll read the messages at the Web site Then click Save Changes This should stop you from receiving email from the group. Now if you can not access the site you will have to rejoin the group. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tee At 09:49 AM 1/8/02 -0500, you wrote: yes it does, and I have done that I do not know how many times for the past 6 months and am still on the mailing list. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alternative fuel brewing in man's backyard
http://www.enn.com/news/wire-stories/2001/10/10192001/ap_45303.asp Alternative fuel brewing in man's backyard Friday, October 19, 2001 By Adam Gorlick, Associated Press ASHFIELD, Mass. ÷ The slick brown goo that Tom Leue concocts in his backyard chemistry lab isn't as appetizing as the french fries it once cooked, but Leue gets plenty of mileage out of the used restaurant oil. With a dash of wood alcohol and a sprinkle of lye, Leue brews the grease trap sludge into biodiesel, an environmentally friendly fuel that powers diesel engines and heats homes. Biodiesel can be produced from soybean oil or recycled vegetable oil from restaurants. It produces none of the carbon monoxide or small particles created by burning traditional petroleum-based diesel fuel. Petroleum is awful for the environment, Leue said. It causes global warming and acid rain. It's just not compatible with living things. Leue's two Volkswagen Jettas with diesel engines run on the stuff; so do his tractor and pickup. His home heating furnace burns it with no problems, he said. And there's no shortage of the raw material he needs to make the fuel. Once a week, Leue hops in his Ford pickup truck powered by a tankful of his Yellow Brand Premium Biodiesel and makes the rounds of nearby restaurants. Chinese restaurants are my favorite, he said. They usually use very clean oil. Using a bright yellow tank in the pickup's flatbed, Leue sucks up to 200 gallons of grease that the restaurants save for him. Back at his makeshift lab, a converted maple sugaring house coated with the dull odor of cooking oil, Leue pumps the sludge into a holding tank and begins transforming it into fuel. Sap pans, a 24-gallon hot water heater, and a huge soup cauldron Leue got from a school cafeteria are about all the hardware he needs. The oil is pumped through a series of filters to remove bits of food and other sediment. Then the addition of lye and wood alcohol separates useless glycerin from what becomes the fuel. After settling overnight, the brew is ready. Leue, a 53-year-old biologist who also inspects septic systems and has done energy and asbestos removal consulting for towns and schools in the area, started making biodiesel about three years ago. He learned how to do it when he and his wife decided to wean themselves off a reliance on petroleum-based oil. And Leue's failure to make a living off small farming and maple syrup left him with a stash of equipment he needed. People like syrup on their pancakes maybe once a week, but they have to drive every day, Leue said. So it makes sense to provide a fuel for them that won't hurt the environment the way gasoline does. While Leue's operation is low tech, his product is high priced. At $2.50 a gallon, sales of Yellow Brand Premium Biodiesel are sluggish in the few stores that sell it. There's a lot of interest in it but not a lot of sales, said Margaret Keith, owner of Elmer's Country Store in Ashfield center, where two 5-gallon jugs of Yellow Brand sit on the floor. Yellow Brand is also sold at an Easthampton auto shop and will soon be on the shelves in a Greenfield market. Still, Leue churns out about 240 gallons a week and says he has no surplus. Most of the biodiesel is sold straight from the pump he has on his property. Richard Baruc, one of Leue's customers, says he has had no problems with his two family vehicles after using Yellow Brand. Our pickup loves it, said Baruc, who buys fuel from Leue in 55-gallon drums. Baruc, who runs a farm in Orange with his wife, said their 1997 Ford pickup gets 19 miles to the gallon. Their 1980 Mercedes gets 24 miles to the gallon. It's just as good as we'd get with regular diesel, he said. While small-batch production of biodiesel is uncommon ÷ state, federal, and industry officials said they don't know of any other homegrown operations in New England ÷ popularity of the alternative fuel is growing in America. Five million gallons of biodiesel were produced last year, and industry officials say 20 million gallons will be produced by the end of 2001, according to the National Biodiesel Board. The board says there are more than 100 fleets of public and private trucks and buses across the country that are fueled by biodiesel. Diesel engines don't require any modifications to run on the fuel, board spokeswoman Jenna Higgins said. But Higgins warned consumers to make sure the product is approved by the federal Environmental Protection Agency. Leue said he's applied to register as a fuel producer with the EPA. He said he isn't trying to compete with large-scale biodiesel production companies but hopes to at least provide an education on the availability of clean-burning fuels. It may be more expensive than gasoline and other fuels, but biodiesel has benefits built into that cost, he said. You're not adding to the burdens of the planet by using this product. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Re: [biofuel] Introduction
Hope your project goes well. Keep us informed. Tee At 03:24 PM 9/24/01 -0400, you wrote: Hello everyone, I have just joined your list, and thought introductions would be in order. My name is Jean-Leon Morin, I have been interested in biofuels for a couple of years. I am in the process of converting a 1966 Land-Rover 109 (much like the journey to forever vehicular projects) to a cummins diesel 3.9 BT 4 cylinder. I am hoping to use the vehicle for expeditions into northern canada, and it is my daily mode of transportation. I am a student at a community college, taking mechanical engineering technology, and work in the automotive repair industry part-time. I used to work for a farm equipment repair garage, which means I have a good understanding of diesel powerplants. The Land-Rover currently has a gas engine as I prepare the rest of the vehicle for the dual-fuel setup (twin fuel tanks, heated fuel lines, overdrive, three way valve, solenoid gangs, etc) Well, I guess that's it! J-L [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil subsidies, (was Ethanol/Big Time Loser)
The real price with subsidies and tax write offs is around $16/gal. Tee At 12:28 PM 8/11/01 -0700, you wrote: Hanns: you presented a great reminder for me that we really need to focus on getting the point across to consumers that we do not pay the real price of oil... You said: So the industry is subsidised. What would we rather do? Spend the tax dollar on something that is good for the rural GDP and good for the planet, or make OPEC wealthier, spew more CO2 into the atmosphere and have our economies run down a path of ever increasing environmental cost and diminishing resources. -- And here is one link I just found on the cost of subsidies in the USA, for fossil oil. http://www.icta.org/projects/trans/rlprexsm.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil subsidies, (was Ethanol/Big Time Loser)
It was a report from about 2 years ago. It was based on just the government subsidies and the tax cuts. Don't have it any more. Had a harddrive melt down plus some of my zip disks failed and I lost about half of my data. I'll do a check and see if it's still somewhere out on the web. Tee t 01:11 PM 8/11/01 -0700, you wrote: ...$16 over and above the market price... or higherdepends on which study you use. There are plenty of them and they vary, depending on methodology and contingent valuation placed on the services the environment provides. Where is the $16 number from? Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: Tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil subsidies, (was Ethanol/Big Time Loser) The real price with subsidies and tax write offs is around $16/gal. Tee At 12:28 PM 8/11/01 -0700, you wrote: Hanns: you presented a great reminder for me that we really need to focus on getting the point across to consumers that we do not pay the real price of oil... You said: So the industry is subsidised. What would we rather do? Spend the tax dollar on something that is good for the rural GDP and good for the planet, or make OPEC wealthier, spew more CO2 into the atmosphere and have our economies run down a path of ever increasing environmental cost and diminishing resources. -- And here is one link I just found on the cost of subsidies in the USA, for fossil oil. http://www.icta.org/projects/trans/rlprexsm.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
They were selling a unit that fill a CNG tank off of your exiting gas line. It was a slow unit that maintained a tank that you could use to fill the tank in you car. The cost was around a $1000. T Boone Pickens who use to own Mesa Petroleum was pushing them about 4 or 5 years ago. Tee At 06:56 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote: Methane is the primary ingredient in natural gas. There is a pump for just that purpose. It gets the pressure up to about 3500 lbs per square inch. At that pressure it is still a gas. The technology to compress the gas and use it in a car already exist. If you want a rig just call the natural gas company in your area and they can sell you on for about $10,000. That is how these stations fill CNG tanks. By the way you can get it to liquid if you freeze it. I believe about 400 below. MADMAN http://www.bazookabros.8k.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The virusW32.Winux hits both Windows and Linux
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:05:12 -0600 To: Lis-LEAF From: Tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The virusW32.Winux hits both Windows and Linux W32.PEElf.2132 Discovered on: March 27, 2001 Last Updated on: March 27, 2001 at 07:51:52 PM PST http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w32.peelf.2132.html ___ http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/03/28/virus.winux.reut/index.html SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- A computer virus that can infect PCs running either the ubiquitous Windows operating system or the increasingly popular Linux operating system emerged on Tuesday, which its discoverers say is a world first. The virus, dubbed W32.Winux by the company that first reported it, anti-virus firm Central Command, is not destructive and does not appear to have infected any computers yet. Still, the virus sets a disturbing precedent. We didn't think this was possible, said Keith Peer, President and Chief Executive of Medina, Ohio-based Central Command. It's a real step forward for virus writers. Another anti-virus maker, McAfee.com Corp., said it had not seen the virus and could not confirm reports of W32.Winux. W32.Winux spreads by infecting executable programs that run either on later versions of Windows from Microsoft Corp. -- including 95, 98, Me, NT and 2000 -- or the various flavors of Linux, a free operating system that is gaining ground among techies and businesses. Searches for applications Users can set off the dormant virus by either double-clicking on an infected program or e-mail attachment. After it is activated, the virus automatically searches for all nearby Windows or Linux applications of at least 100 kilobytes in size, which it then proceeds to infect. Central Command, which first received the virus via an anonymous e-mail originating in the Czech Republic early Tuesday afternoon, said a virus writer named Benny claiming affiliation to a known group of virus writers called 29A, appears to be the culprit. Benny and 29A have been implicated as being behind a number of other previous viruses that have been considered technically innovative but not particularly destructive. In late 1999, a virus that masqueraded as a fix for the Millennium Bug made its way around the Internet. The 29A group claimed credit for that virus, as well as another one emerging last September called Stream that experts said was particularly clever at disguising itself from anti-virus software. Not spreading fast The W32.Winux virus is written in a primitive computer language called 'assembly language', which is what allows it to infect either Windows or Linux programs, Peer said. With Linux's growing popularity, an increasing number of PC users are installing both Windows and Linux on the same computer. Despite its ability to jump between different operating systems, W32.Winux is not a fast-spreading virus. For one, Peer said that the virus appears to be limited to spreading only on PCs running Intel Pentium processors -- meaning it could not spread to Sun Microsystems Inc. servers running Linux. And unlike more recent worm-type viruses like Melissa or Love Letter, W32.Winux cannot automatically e-mail itself to other Internet users worldwide. It's rather old-fashioned in that way, Peer said. While there are thousands of viruses swimming around on Windows computers worldwide, there are relatively few for Linux -- an estimated less than 50, Peer said, which he attributed to the lack of virus writers targeting the Linux operating system. Copyright 2001 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. RELATED STORIES: New 'Injustice' virus spreads political message March 20, 2001 Magistr worm emerges, scarce but deadly March 19, 2001 Enhanced tool can create tougher Anna worm March 15, 2001 Review: Top 5 firewall utilities March 15, 2001 Tech firms disagree on source of 'Naked Wife' March 7, 2001 'Naked Wife' virus wreaks havoc on Internet March 6, 2001 Security experts: Virus proves systems still vulnerable Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Could the Scientists Be Wrong on Madcow Disease?
A different take on it. Subject: [exsheeple] Fwd: Could the Scientists Be Wrong on Madcow Disease? http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/science/science-britain-cause.html February 1, 2001 Could the Scientists Be Wrong on Madcow Disease? By REUTERS ET SOMERSET, England (Reuters) Mark Purdey still eats beef, even ``junk'' in pies and hamburgers, and he has no fear that he or his wife or six children will be struck down by the deadly human form of mad cow disease. ``It's an absolute myth,'' the 48-year-old organic farmer says, banging his fist on a large wooden table to underline his argument that much of the accepted logic on bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE, is wrong. His story unfolds -- a 16-year campaign to explore the effect of organophosphates, the chemicals he believes are behind the spread of the brain-wasting disease in cattle and in people. Purdey says we should distance ourselves from ``the men in bow-ties'' who have what he calls a monopoly on thought. Forget the role of tainted animal feed in spreading BSE among cattle or infected meat in passing the disease to humans as new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD). Look instead at the use of systemic organophosphates, derived from military nerve gas, which the UK agriculture ministry told farmers to pour along the spine of their cattle in the early 1980s to kill a parasite called the warble fly. And those used in sprays used in Britain's countryside. ``I have been hammering the establishment theory, the so-called meat-and-bone meal theory, since 1988 or 1989. Even then I had identified that meat and bone meal had been sold all over the world, particularly the Middle East,'' he says. ``If you're blaming this stuff and you're sending it all over the world, why on earth aren't you getting more BSE?'' He agrees that other scientists would argue it has yet to appear because of the long incubation period of disease, believed to be caused by a mutated prion protein in the brain. But Purdey argues there is little logic in the theory. He also disputes the argument that BSE is passed to humans via infected beef. ``If it was to do with eating beef we'd have lots of cases in towns, where most burger bars are, but 60 percent of cases are in rural areas,'' he said. ``Most victims live by fields, where crops are sprayed.'' SELF-TAUGHT SCIENTIST A self-taught scientist, Purdey says he acted first on ''intuition,'' refusing to treat his 60 cows with the organophosphate, called phosmet, and going on to win a court battle with the agriculture ministry to make his point. When BSE was first detected in a British herd in 1986, he immediately thought phosmet was the problem -- a theory which after years of unpaid research has now won respect from senior scientists, public figures and politicians. ``Like most things it was instinct. Being a farmer, I was horrified when I was approached by a ministry official to treat a cow for warble fly by pouring this chemical along the spinal cord and the base of the head,'' he said. ``It was an oil designed to seep through the skin and to change the entire internal environment of the cow into a poisonous medium to kill off the parasites.'' Purdey began to trawl through books and do field research. He looked at the clusters of BSE in Britain, clusters of deer and elk in the United States with a similar illness called chronic wasting disease, and villages where many people were dying of the more common Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. ``I went on the road,'' he said, describing trips to the United States, Slovakia, Calabria in Italy and Iceland. ``To me it was clearly something in the environment that was igniting these illnesses. But what was this factor?'' He found one common factor -- high levels of manganese, a metal given to cattle in high doses via the organophosphate. ``What I found in the environment was supported by the laboratory,'' he said, describing tests by David Brown, a neurobiologist at Cambridge University. Purdey explains the prion would normally bond with copper and carry it around the brain to destroy free radicals. But if lacking copper, the prion bonds with another metal -- manganese, which stops the prion from folding properly. He did soil analysis on the areas near clusters of vCJD in Britain and found high levels of manganese from crop spraying. He concluded the doses of manganese intensifies the traditional illness, giving vCJD the potency to kill younger people. FUNDING REQUIRED Now all he wants is funding for more research -- something that Agriculture Minister Nick Brown says may be ready in May after a scientist has reviewed all work into the origins of BSE. ``In the BSE inquiry there is a caveat that it is not clear whether organophosphates could have been a contributory factor...it leaves the door open on organophosphates,'' Brown told Reuters. But Purdey is worried that the funding may never come. ``No one's prepared to admit it because it would involve
[biofuel] Fwd: warning for yahoogroups
warning for yahoogroups Hi all, this was sent to me via another group I am with. Thought that everyone should know. Tee Warning! Unless you follow the following information ANYONE can add you to ANY mailing list or group if you are part of Yahoogroups.com! This will protect you from someone adding you to an adult-oriented group, or a SPAM group, or any other group you may find personally distasteful. On the top right hand side there is a link called My Preferencesplease click on this link. Or to go there straight away follow this link http//groups.yahoo.com/myprefs You will see two columns. Subscriptions and Views and Email Accountsboth with edit buttons. On the left hand column Subscriptions and Views please note that there is an option which says Group Moderators can directly add me to their groups. Unless you change this anyone can add you to any type of group. So please click on the edit button next to the Subscription and Viewsheading. Then click the box that says Group moderators CANNOT directly subscribe me to their groups. Then scroll down and press thesave changes button. This will stop anyone from being able to add you to a group without your permission. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981145815/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Another methos for drying biodiesel/biogas
I have some and they will air dry ok. Air dry time is about a week in a dry climate. But I have never used them in the process of making Biodiesel. At 06:48 PM 01/28/2001 -0800, you wrote: do you suppose these could be reused by drying in an oven? anton General Performance: One pound of Hydrosource will absorb up to 48 gallons of rainwater or snowmelt, and 20-35 gallons of water, depending on the salt content of the water. Hydrosource can be applied wet or dry. Dry granules are usually easier to use, but soak them thoroughly to fully fill them with water (hydrate). When hydrated, the granules look like chunks of clear gelatin about 1/2 inch in diameter. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/980782667/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Damn!! Coollist
http://www.coollist.com/ Coollist is a web-based system for anyone to easily create FREE mailing lists. Mailing lists will enhance the power of your email allowing your user group or community to communicate and share ideas quickly via email. The Coollist system is easy to use and is accessible from anywhere in the world! Even when you are not on your own PC. Coollist is perfect for : - Sharing files, photos, documents MP3s - Keeping in touch with your family - Keeping in touch with old friends - Keeping your clients up to date with new products - Keeping your employees up to date - Discussion groups - Webmasters keeping their visitors informed - No More long cc: strings Coollist does not discriminate! No matter where you are in the world, or whether you are an individual or a big corporation, you are free to use our service. Coollist is FREE for life Click Here for our press releases Coollist guarantees that we will not sell OR give out the E-Mail addresses of ANY of your members. We DO NOT tolerate E-Mail spamming (unsolicited Commercial Email) and junk mail and will ensure that all of our user's E-Mail addresses are protected. Any Coollist users caught using Coollist for spamming purposes will find his/her account terminated immediately. We will do our best to keep Coollist spam-free. If you would like to unsubscribe from a list but dont know how to, please Click Here. NOTE: IF YOU ARE ON A COOLLIST MAILING LIST AND DID NOT ASK TO BE ON IT, EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW! WE WILL NOT TOLERATE SPAM!! Coollist realises that many individuals cannot afford the costs of setting up mailing lists with the various companies that are currently charging ridiculous amounts for a mailing list service. Hence we decided to create Coollist! Although it is free, we do not compromise on quality! Our servers are connected to the Internet by one of America's premier backbone providers! Along with speed, our list administrators enjoy the user-friendly web interface! Need to contact us about a particular question? Just email us at the following addresses, we will get back to you promptly: Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spam Complaints: [EMAIL PROTECTED] General Comments, Suggestions: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Advertising Queries: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:22 AM 01/27/2001 +0900, you wrote: Several of this cursed brood, getting hold of the branches behind, leaped up into the tree, whence they began to discharge their excrements on my head... For as to those filthy YAHOOS ... I confess I never saw any sensitive being so detestable on all accounts; and the more I came near them the more hateful they grew. - Gulliver's Travels, Part IV: A Voyage to the Country of the Houyhnhnm, Jonathan Swift. Well, dear friends, are we all as delighted, thrilled and excited as apparently we're supposed to be by the sudden changes that have befallen our mailing list like excrements from a tree? I know some aren't because they've complained to me off-list. I had an annoying time trying to get to the MyGroups page via the obstacle course set up by Yahoo to help and assist us. It told me to get a new password and ID from Yahoo, and give them a whole bunch of demographic information while I was at it, then it said someone else had that ID, which, believe me, is nonsense. I tried other IDs. I got really creative about it. I submitted curses, obscenities and grievous insults in several languages, but all were taken. Uh-huh. Well, if it was true, there'd seem to be a lot of folks in there who hold a similar opinion of Yahoo to that of Gulliver. I gave up. Ten minutes later I received a cheery email with an ID and password I hadn't chosen, which after three tries finally admitted me to a MyGroups page, and thence to the Biofuels page. I don't like it. It stinks. Super-safe prediction: it'll get worse. It's already been getting worse. When Yahoo bought out eGroups was when we started having problems with duplicated messages and with messages not making it into the daily digests or onto the web board (and thus not into the archives!!). I went to eGroups feedback page and complained about duplicated messages. I got this reply: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:25:09 + To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A message from Yahoo! eGroups From: eGroups Feedback [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: eGroups Feedback [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! eGroups sincerely appreciates your comments and suggestions. While we cannot respond to them individually due to the large volume of feedback we receive, please know that your feedback is forwarded to our development team for review. Your opinions and insights are essential to us as we continue to improve the Yahoo! eGroups service. If you have questions with using Yahoo! eGroups, please contact us by using the online help form at: http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/egroups/cgi_feedback and we'll be happy to assist you. Thanks for using Yahoo! eGroups. Sincerely, The Yahoo! eGroups
Re: [biofuel] webconx online?
All the links work on this page Welcome: To The NEW WebConX Tee At 06:16 PM 01/05/2001 +, you wrote: As I sit here waiting for dns to update, would anyone like to try http://24.188.229.66 for me? let me know if all is well? Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] re:virus
Over the last month I have received 16 attachments with virus. Thankfully Norton has handled them with no problem. Most of the list I'm on are going to no Attachments. Tee At 04:38 PM 12/31/2000 +, you wrote: I have found virus in attached files or HTML emails many times. Now I delete files with attachments or in HTML even before reading.. I know I am probably missing some good information from this group, but I do not want to take the chance! As Keith has previously suggested, send your emails in text only. A virus cannot be attached to that. Chris Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/978280819/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re flywheel engines
http://www.blueridgediesel.com/dieselengines/lister.htm http://www.dessco.com/lister.htm http://www.lister-petter.com/ At 04:12 AM 12/13/2000 -0800, you wrote: Hi All, When I last checked 8 years ago they were still being built by Lister and Petter in England and sold in large # for road construction and pumping uses in the US. They are air cooled too. Volvo makes one for boat use that's water cooled. A great way to heat your house and make electricity. Save big bucks every winter. Call your local construction , marine or genorator equipment co for them. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Andrew Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they are still made in India. I have an Australian made version. It is 4hp, and runs up to 800rpm. I have it coupled to a 2kVA alternator. It is water cooled, weighs about 200kg and is over 50 years old and runs like a dream. I run it on straight chicken fat (the stuff that drips off the chickens as they cook) it is the consistancy of thick cream, stinks, attracts the flies but works well. I would put my money into one of these (where practical) any day rather than the modern high speed diesels. I have seen similar diesels in use throughout Thailand and Indonesia. Andrew. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I think they still make them in the Phillipines and use them there. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/976720612/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] flywheel engines link correction
http://www.lister-petter.co.uk/product.htm http://www.blueridgediesel.com/dieselengines/lister.htm http://www.dessco.com/lister.htm At 04:12 AM 12/13/2000 -0800, you wrote: Hi All, When I last checked 8 years ago they were still being built by Lister and Petter in England and sold in large # for road construction and pumping uses in the US. They are air cooled too. Volvo makes one for boat use that's water cooled. A great way to heat your house and make electricity. Save big bucks every winter. Call your local construction , marine or genorator equipment co for them. Hope this helps, jerry dycus --- Andrew Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they are still made in India. I have an Australian made version. It is 4hp, and runs up to 800rpm. I have it coupled to a 2kVA alternator. It is water cooled, weighs about 200kg and is over 50 years old and runs like a dream. I run it on straight chicken fat (the stuff that drips off the chickens as they cook) it is the consistancy of thick cream, stinks, attracts the flies but works well. I would put my money into one of these (where practical) any day rather than the modern high speed diesels. I have seen similar diesels in use throughout Thailand and Indonesia. Andrew. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, DAVID REID [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I think they still make them in the Phillipines and use them there. B.r., David __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/837408/_/976720805/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Virus Warning - PLEASE READ
There are two making the rounds Subject: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs--The Real story This file: midgets.scr was infected with the: W95.Hybris.gen virus. The file was quarantined by Norton AntiVirus. Monday, November 27, 2000 17:08 The 2nd one Subject:Democrat Seal It was in an attachment Democraft72(1).jpg This file: Unknown0b9a.data was infected with the: WScript.KakWorm virus. The file was quarantined by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, November 29, 2000 09:22 At 05:05 PM 12/01/2000 +0800, you wrote: Hi, If you receive a e-mail message from a person named : hahahaha - Please just delete it, it is a virus!! Don't know what the outcome of this one is, but it is a virus!!! Please delete. I know that it has gone to some people already from my mailing list, not sure who is sending them but i will find out and give them a nice little package in their e-mail account. Thanks Monica eGroups Sponsorhttp://rd.yahoo.com/M=142684.955998.2663950.304267/D=egroupmail/S=1700083269:N/A=479588/?http://www.replaytv.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/837408/_/975687126/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A little motivator http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/001130NGASPRICES.html Oil analyst warns of $3 gas by next summer By Ken Moritsugu KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS WASHINGTON - A leading oil market analyst warned yesterday that gasoline prices could reach $3 a gallon next summer and that crude oil could rise to $50 a barrel in the next two to four years. We're not quite in an energy crisis, but one is developing, and I think this one's going to last longer and it's going to be a lot more difficult to resolve, said Philip Verleger Jr., who frequently testifies before Congress on energy issues. eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
