[biofuel] Re: Oil Seed production
In a message dated 4/1/2002 8:23:53 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: From: John Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oil seed production Some work has been done over your way on oils that are not in competion with established markets have a look at www.bioproducts-bioenergy.gov/pdfs/bcota/abstracts/19/z347.pdf I don't agree with all the marketing assumptions but the concept looks OK Regards JohnH PS do a search on mustard - there is a considerable body of research on the oil as fuel Thanks John. I do recall that a year or so ago DOE told me that they were demonstrating the production of mustard oil. Thanks for reminding me. A lot of collective wisdom here. Neal Van Milligen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6GDALA/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil seed productioin
In a message dated 4/1/2002 8:23:53 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: From: AOAR Welch B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oil seed production you don't have anny clients,do you? Well, yes, actually. My company is a project management firm. We usually work in agriculture related opportunities. For example, we are changing the way estuary shrimp are raised on a 1000 acre shrimp farm in Sonora, MX. We want to add aerators to the grow out ponds but the farm is off the grid so we have to provide 8 MW of elect power somehow. (A navy guy once suggested we talk the government out of a couple of the power plants from the old Liberty ships) We were asked by the state of Georgia to assist in farm mortality issues. Kentucky has asked us to design alternative heating systems for poultry buildings. We are designing innovative agriculture centers to investigate and demonstrate on farm opportunities for small farms. 2 of these centers will be the beneficiary of the oil seed information. One in Arizona and one in Baja. Etc, etc. Neal Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Jojoba
Steve, Is one of the problems with Jojoba is that so much of the crop is lost in attempts to harvest it? I seem to recall a big to do about this plant some time ago that faded partly because the farmers can't get it out of the field convenienty. Or was that another crop? Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Oil seed production
A couple of my clients have expressed an interest in large scale oil seed production. Both are in semi-arid areas. One is north western Mexico and the other in northern Arizona. I have looked at many kinds of seeds with multiple uses of feed and oil but would like your recommendations. It would be a real big plus if they could be irrigated with brackish ground water. They don't mind investing in extruding and pressing equipment to obtain the oil. The goal is to feed stationary diesel engines with the straight unprocessed oil if possible. Neal Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel production costs
If we had access to about 2,000 to 3,000 gal per day of animal fat, what would you say it would take to process it into biodiesel? Any ideas of the capital cost and cost of processing? Neal Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Livestock role in agriculture
Keith, I applaud your sensible stand on the issue of livestock. ...there is no sustainable way of raising plants without animals. There is no traditional farming system that doesn't used animals, and never has been. It just doesn't work - soil fertility sooner or later fails, and then everything else fails too. Likewise in nature mixed farming is the rule, plants are always found with animals. God can't do it, and neither can we. It's absolutely no use trying to argue with these people - it's not rational, it's a moral crusade, and if you don't agree, then you're the enemy. Working in the field of sustainable agriculture puts me up against this issue almost daily. It is amazing what conclusions a closed mind can come to. Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Palm oil in Malaysia
Keith, This posting was originally a request for assistance in converting
palm oil waste into poultry feed. We suggested biodiesel instead. The
messages below show most of the conversation so far. I think that the
requester is associated with a French institute in Malaysia. Feel free to
respond to Mr. Nashbat directly.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the description of the mill waste he has
available.
Neal Van Milligen
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Subj:RE: Waste to chicken feed
Date: 3/12/2002 8:03:59 PM Central Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mohammad nashbat)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ('[EMAIL PROTECTED]')
Hi
As I mentioned to you earlier we need to process the waste of the palm oil
mill which include two main streams 1. Empty fruit punches 2. Effluent from
the mill ( Palm oil mill effluent)
We got the technology to process the two streams from thermo thech which is
based in Canada...we convert POME into fertilizer and the EFB into animal
feed. We are in the process of building the full scale plant which can treat
1200 ton/day and produce about 200 ton of the final product. But this is not
enough to get a good revenue so we are thinking of another process to treat
more palm oil waste and increase our revenue.
Nashbat
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Waste to chicken feed
In a message dated 3/11/2002 7:47:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you know any company converting palm oil waste into biodiesel? Or at
least they did any study regarding that? Please if you have more
information regarding that?
...
I am sure that you know that palm oil can be filtered and used as boiler fuel
or as diesel fuel without further processing, for many applications.
To convert it to biodiesel to mimic #2 diesel fuel only requires cracking the
carbon molecule bond to make is smaller and more like petroleum diesel. This
is typically done chemically with lye and methanol, or by thermal cracking
using heat.
What do you estimate the volume of material you have available to process?
What would more material cost you to obtain? What is the value of diesel
fuel in your area?
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[biofuel] Re: Themal Cracking
Keith, I originally contacted Green Oasis in South Carolina about their thermal cracking process on behalf of a client who is interested in processing waste motor oil to diesel. However, Green Oasis tells me that they have succeeded in making biodiesel from soy oil and animal fat using their process also. http://www.greenoasis.com/ I have asked my environmental attorney to make a side trip to their site when she visits her family in the area next month. Perhaps we can get some first hand information. I don't recall having seen any detailed information on the anticipated cost of a medium scale biodiesel plant or the operating cost so I don't have a comparison to the information that Green Oasis provided. Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Soapbox diesel
Aren't you all proud of how long I have held my tongue? As for the new breed of US diesel vehicles, I have a F350 diesel with 220,000 miles on it. Change the oil and it keeps on going. 19 MPG empty, 17 MPG loaded to 11,000 lbs gross weight. Try getting that from a 1950's automobile. I am all for nostalgia but, as you know, I am not much for political dumping on the good old USA just for the exercise. I mentioned some time ago that hemp meal makes excellent livestock feed. I have no opinion on the oil's suitability for anything. Say, if there is anybody here who still has any interest in biodiesel, I received an inquiry from a Malaysian company asking about converting waste palm oil to biodiesel. I told them that I thought it was pretty straight forward as with any other veggie oil. Was I right? I did tell them that the methanol-lye route was one way and thermal cracking the other way. So, anybody want to actually go about saving the world or are we here just to belly ache about it? Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Thermal cracking
WHY? $4,000,000? i can do 20 gpm for a $20,000 investment at the render plant i am at. using meth and koh, but cost is upset by glycerine sales. why would anyone want to spend 4 mil? I must have had a thermal cracking going when I wrote that. The 1500 gallon per hour plant is less than $2,000,000 but, from what you are saying, that is still a lot higher than the methanol process for capital. Lets look at it in terms of cost per gallon, the thermal cracking plant yields biodiesel for about $.25/gal as I recall. Capital and operating expenses included. I have found a much smaller cracker that looks like it would do the same for $.125/gal but the owner won't try soy oil, he uses it for converting waste motor oil to diesel. It works on about 100 gal per hour. I don't know how this would compare to a similar sized system using methanol. Neal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Hemp oil
I have no knowledge of how hemp oil production compares to anything else but I can tell you that I have eaten beef fed on hemp seed meal. It was unbelievable. I understand that the same high quality comes to pork and lamb fed hemp seed meal. This might be a way to make the production of hemp oil economical. Neal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Drought and thermal cracking
Here comes Neal ducking and running. The thermal cracking site I visited was Green Oasis, Charleston, SC. Looked good to me since I like simple things. I agree that you may give up some benefits of standard biodiesel production from vegetable oil but it seems so simple. One big drawback is that it requires 1000 gal an hour production to make the economics work out. 1500 gal per hour is better. Not a backyard operation as Keith pointed out. Regarding the drought. We could all be effected by that big time if we have to buy our soybean oil from Brazil. I am on the road this week on the way to the Hopi Indian reservation in Arizona to work with them in low moisture agriculture and indoor vegetable and fish production in recirculating systems. These biosphere projects may be the way of the future. We will also recommend oil seed production using their saline ground water. Maybe we can get biodiesel from the salt water under the reservation. The overall concept is very similar to a program we put together a couple of years ago for the Sioux in South Dakota. Small animal production, biomass fuels, valued added processing, recirculating hydroponics, etc. Basically the sustainable agriculture thing. As was said just before this post, if we don't start planning now, we may be lost. Neal Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
Keith and Todd, OK I surrender. There are a lot of issues that you brought up which are worth discussing over coffee at length. We might even find that we agree on many points, and not on others. Hey, I wrote a note on another discussion group asking about biodiesel in UK using condemned carcasses and was told it was forbidden. But posts to this group indicate otherwise. As for thermal cracking, what I am after there is an automated biodiesel production facility with as few issues as possible. I recognize that high value products are lost in thermal cracking but the system is simple and inexpensive to operate, if not to buy. Neal Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
Keith Trust Us, We're Experts. Well, we've been into all that, and found it wanting. It's strange that you think the only possible point of it was political bashing, which wasn't the point at all, and doesn't even seem to be there. The politics of the posting? What's that mean? I think this use of the word politics really means stuff I don't agree with. What is all this Neal? Are you implying that I, and others unnamed, would really like to see the US getting hit by a BSE epidemic so we could point fingers of blame, jeer about yet another failure and say I told you so? Don't you think the intent might have been just the opposite? Which in fact it was, and is? Hey, Keith, calm down. I was asking about the political commentary which preceded the biofuels content that animal fat is more available lately. I don't think you have a hidden agenda. I think you explain yourself very well and directly. You and I and everybody else on the plant is concerned with keeping BSE out of the food chain. I happen to think that the safeguards in place have done a good job in the USA, apparently you don't. If the food supply is safe with the current regs (a matter of opinion) new regs may not make it more safe but will make it more inconvenient on feed processors. Still little to do with biodiesel. RE: thermal cracking. I have been looking at the process of producing biodiesel from a medium sized produder point of view. If someone could spend $4,000,000 to make 1500 gal of biodiesel an hour with little additional inputs besides heat, it could be something. Biomass heat or parasitic load could provide the 735 F temperature. You and I chatted briefly about this process regarding waste motor oil. I think it works for that. Now I am considering the economics of it for biodiesel. I thought that heating tallow, for example, would make soap but apparently it makes biodiesel. Neal Van Milligen (defender of government programs) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
In a message dated 3/3/2002 5:11:31 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: BSE not in the USA Safety of American markets from BSE is far from certain...so much so that studies released this week actually gave US government agencies, inclusive of the FDA, extremely low marks on enforcement issues that are supposed to better secure American markets. As I first heard of it via the air waves and National Public Radio (February 27), I rather seriously doubt that Mr. Addison was the instigator. --- Todd, you miss my point partially. I didn't say that Keith had anything to do with this report. My point is that since I work in animal byproducts I know what is going on generally in this area in the USA, and other places. The Harvard report seemed pretty accurate in crediting the efforts of USDA and FDA in protecting our food supply. The GAO report was less so. For my money, I would not put as much in a report by the GAO over a panel of experts. GAO has no special expertise in some of the areas in which they report, this is one. But more than that, what does the politics of the posting of a lengthy message about this report have to do with Biofuels except to join the ranks of those who find satisfaction in saying that the USA has failed again? Since we don't have BSE we have succeeded in keeping it out. Political bashing is not our business. I was chiding Keith for saying that the USA isn't being responsive to the issue, when in fact we are the most responsive country based on our success. I just want to talk about biofuels. That is why I suggested that Keith actually posted the long message just to point out the last paragraph, which said that animal fat had fallen in price and was more widely available. If you follow SANET you will see my recent posting there gives Keith credit for being a visionary in biofuels and encourages his work worldwide. I seem to have put us exactly where I did not want to go, hashing out the adequacy of USA safeguards re: BSE. Let talk about how to take advantage of the opportunity we have with low priced tallow instead. Neal Van Milligen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
Keith, I know the reason you posted the lengthy message about the GAO report saying BSE is not in the USA was to point out to us in the last paragraph that animal fat is becoming cheaper and more readily available in the US market. I don't imagine you were actually saying that the GAO knows more about BSE than Harvard University. Nor were you trying to support those pointless anti-government sentiments we sometimes see on newsgroups. Especially since the USDA and FDA have been so successful in protecting our animal and human food supply with the aggressive measures already in place. So now that the USA is protected from BSE, we can concentrate on taking advantage of the animal fat surplus to make biofuels. Simple fuel making is so non-political that I hate to see us become involved in finger pointing and innuendo for no purpose but the self-satisfaction of it. So concerning animal fats, have we already formed a group opinion on whether thermal cracking would produce biodiesel from tallow? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: US Tax Code
Arne, I don't think anyone here wants this to become a forum of income tax schemes but let me say that the explanation your friend gave you about who is required to file and pay income taxes in the United States is incorrect. All individuals, who have income in the United States are required to file a return and pay a tax unless specifically exempted by some section of the law. These sections include deductions, exemptions, etc. They do not hinge on whether you have a social security number, recognize yourself as a citizen, disavow your citizenship or any of a dozen other schemes to avoid the effects of this statute. While I recognize that you have no reason to accept my statement as law, I urge you to consult with a qualified attorney and accountant before making decisions which may severly impact your life as a free man. I am an accountant with more than 30 years experience in this field including many hours in US District Court. I have heard every imaginable reason for negating Title 26 of the US Code. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Calcium Silicate
So how do we make calcium silicate? Neal Van Milligen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel in fuel
Kentucky has proposed a bill to require at least 2% biodiesel to be in all fuel sold in the state. Boy did the howl start. The loudest has been the railroad which claims that they own 2000 diesel locomotives costing over $2,000,000 each. They say that the manufacturer will void the warranty on the engines if any biodiesel is used in them. Neal in KY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Vegetable oils substitute for diesel fuel
I found this web page and cited a portion of it below. Maybe everybody but me already knew this but I found it intereting. Neal Van Milligen -- -- http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm Experiments were carried out in order to compare the atomisation quality of rapeseed oil and rapeseed oil/alcohol with that of a conventional fossil fuel such as diesel oil and to compare performances in terms of soot formation and burnout along the flames for all fuels. First of all the stability of the rapeseed oil with the temperature was checked by thermogravimetry analysis and it comes out that this oil is very stable up to 300¡C in inert conditions and up to 200¡C under an oxidative atmosphere. Due to this stability with the temperature it is possible to preheat the oil up to 150¡C where it attains the same viscosity as the diesel oil. Atomisation tests showed that at 150¡C the performance of the rapeseed oil are comparable with that of the diesel oil. The overall combustion performance of the rapeseed oil are very satisfactory in comparison with the diesel fuel while the rapeseed oil produces almost 40 % less soot than diesel fuel. The different volatility of this fuel respect to the diesel fuel is responsible of the different behaviour of the sampled gas concentrations in the base of the flames while at the end of the flames, both attain almost the same values. It has been established that an addition of 9 % of ethyl alcohol (95 %) bring a great benefit regarding the pre-heating oil temperature. In fact, the presence of alcohol allows a reduction in the inlet oil temperature from 150 ¡C to 80 ¡C. Moreover, the combustion of the emulsion produces less soot and, at the exhaust, the amount is almost one half less than that produced by the combustion of rapeseed oil. It should be interesting to investigate more carefully the morphology of the rapeseed oil soot because of its higher reactivity toward oxidation shown by using TG analysis that can be correlated to higher hydrogen content. Generally all measured operating characteristics power, torque, fuel consumption and efficiency prove, that when using these novel fuels there are only slight power and consumption disadvantages in comparison to Diesel fuel. Only with coconut and palm kernel oil methylester were the operating characteristics definitely worse, while soybean oil methylester is placed between the two groups. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] HCL
Can HCL be fomulated on a small scale? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Unimog
Steve, With the Unimog starting price of $84,000 I think I will stick with my F350. It is a bit pricey don't you think? Neal Van Milligen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Project funding
What country (s) did you have in mind? Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a message dated 12/8/2001 1:19:58 PM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:55:06 - From: wolfie1166 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BioD in the developine world I have a project that I think will work but I'm having trouble getting started, specifically I can't find a good source of funding. The project involves introducing Biodiesel to a country in the developing world that curently grows alot of oil seed crops. We would import biodiesel converters to the country and work with farmers cooperatives to teach them how to run the equipment and market the products (Biod., glycerine, and animal feed). Does anyone know of an organization that would fund this type of project? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Current plague of email viruses
* IMPORTANT NOTICE ON STOPPING SPREAD OF WORM VIRUSES ** Helping to stop the worm virus To protect your E-address - I learned a computer trick today that's really ingenious in its simplicity. As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads straight for your email address book and sends itself to everyone in there, thus infecting all your friends and associates. This trick won't keep the virus from getting into your computer, but it will stop it from using your address book to spread further, and it will alert you to the fact that the worm has gotten into your system. Here's what you do: first, open your address book and click on new contact just as you would do if you were adding a new friend to your list of email addresses. In the window where you would type your friend's first name, type in !000 (that's an exclamation mark followed by 3 zeros). In the window below where it prompts you to enter the new email address, type in WormAlert. (If it tells you this is not a valid address just say yes to add it, or ok). Then complete everything by clicking add, enter, ok, etc. Now, here's what you've done and why it works: the name !000 will be placed at the top of your address book as entry #1. This will be where the worm will start in an effort to send itself to all your friends. But when it tries to send itself to !000, it will be undeliverable because of the phony email address you entered (WormAlert). If the first attempt fails (which it will because of the phony address), the worm goes no further and your friends will not be infected. Here's the second great advantage of this method: if an email cannot be delivered, you will be notified of this in your Inbox almost immediately. Hence, if you ever get an email telling you that an email addressed to WormAlert could not be delivered, you know right away that you have the worm virus in your system. You can then take steps to get rid of it! This solution was contributed by: Gregg Rivara, Cornell Cooperative Extension. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO and diesel generator business
From: eric almanzan I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. Eric you have the beginnings of a great idea there. Before you sink any money into it, however, consider some of your issues. You must have a reliable supply of economical (free) WVO. You must have a transport system to bring it from the source to a processing site. It must be stored, filtered, and stored again. Then it has to be distributed to your customers, transported, billed, fees collected and accounted for and taxes paid. The filtered particles must be disposed of and he entire process must control odors and spills. You probably have to be licensed as a rendering company, carry insurance and possibly post an environmental bond to get an operating permit. These things are all very achievable but you must consider them. In some areas an existing rendering company may have contracted for the pickup of WVO, in other areas it may be a disposal problems for generators. If you contract to pick it up, you must follow your contract even if you are not selling any for some period. In that case you had better have a disposal plan of your own and sufficient capital to continue to operate without your anticipated revenue stream. We do business plans for some environmental businesses so we see the rocks in the path when others may only see the path. However, we encourage such optimistic approaches to business innovation. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. Byproduct processors Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Forward from Metro Farm
A SATURDAY FOOD CHAIN RELEASE FROM METROFARM.COM... What will we do when we no longer have access to the petroleum locked up in the sands of the Middle East? We will farm our own petroleum! This Saturday morning at 9am Pacific on AM 1080 KSCO and AM 1340 KOMY, the Saturday Food Chain with Michael Olson presents Part II of a series on The New Petroleum. Guests are bio-diesel advocates Ano Tarletz and Dr. Randall von Wedel. Topics include the difference between hydrocarbon petroleum and carbohydrate petroleum, how biodiesel is made from farmed crops, whether biodiesel will provide a practical alternative to Middle East oil, and a discussion about the impact farmed carbohydrate petroleum would have on the economy. Listeners are invited to call the live program with questions and comments at 831-479-1080 or 831-477-1340. If you are unable to listen to the California radio stations YOU CAN LISTEN to the Saturday Food Chain streamed live or recorded as an archive whenever and wherever you want by logging on the radio page at http://www.metrofarm.com You can also share your thoughts on this subject by going to http://metrofarm.com/bulbrd.ht Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Mother Earth News
In a message dated 9/13/2001 4:16:30 AM Central Daylight Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wvo - storage precautions If i can store hydrogen the biofuel is a cinch thank you for your concerns. I go back to Mother Earth days and methane generators using manure ponds What a shame that the ole Mother Earth News is no more. The new edition is just a shadow of the old. If there is a similar publication available now, please tell me of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Cooperative
Husey, where are you located? We have helped form a cooperative in Kentucky and would be pleased to work with you as well. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] What i want to ask is, is there anybody who is working with this kind of organisations and inform us detailed about the co-operative system. Best Regards Huseyin TURCAN Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Microprocessing of soybean oil to biodiesel
In a message dated 7/23/2001 3:26:33 AM Central Daylight Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: From: Steven Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Microprocessing of soybean oil to biodiesel Cornelius, your extraction plant sounds very interesting. Could you please email your information to me. My address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] A couple of questions to throw open 1) Does cold pressed oil need to be degummed prior to reacting? I'm assuming that phospholipds (and all the things that bung diesel engines up)come out with the glycerine in the chemical reaction. Can anyone throw some light on the question. 2) Is there anyone out there running a vehicle on bio-diesel that has been made from cold pressed oil? I would be interested to hear from you. Thanks Steven Our work has been in producing the oil from soybeans in an on farm process. We are involved in value added agriculture projects. Our system extrudes whole soybeans to produce a high fat soybean meal for animal feed, as an alternative to the solvent extracted meals available on the market. Plus we press the extruded meal to extract about half of the oil from the meal. This is what leaves the high fat meal, since not all of the oil can be pressed out. And it leaves a rich, solvent free, soybean oil to use for various purposes. One of these purposes might be to operate a diesel engine straight via a heated fuel tank. It also makes very good boiler fuel. Theoretically the soybean meal can be processed on the farm into biodiesel. We don't know if the cold pressed oil would be any different for diesel operations but we think some of the group members will have an opinion or even experience. We do not have a proprietary extruder or press, nor do we have a proprietary method of making biodiesel. We operate with all off the shelf technology. Our field is making this information available to farmers who might otherwise have no technology advocate to speak to about such things. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Microprocessing of soybean oil to biodiesel
We priced two soybean extrusion plants for Kentucky farmers yesterday. This process with an oil press will allow them to manufacture their own high fat bean meal and press about half the oil from the bean. Of course, once the oil is free from the meal it is a candidate for biodiesel. The high fat meal is an excellent feed ingredient for cattle and hogs. This process does not use solvents so if organic beans are used the meal is organic. Does anybody want to detail a biodiesel set up and operation for a plant that might process 1 ton of raw beans per hour and press out half the oil from the meal? Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. Byproduct processors Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Used motor oil
Let's suppose that I had a very large supply of used motor oil. Say several RR tank cars a week. And let's say I had a modest chemical plant to do anything with this oil I choose. And that this is all located in the USA. What are my best options? I am already working on using some of it for boiler fuel to cut the reliance on natural gas at the plant in its 20,000,000 btu boilers. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Algae info needed
Yesterday was a post asking about algae and wishing for an expert in this field on the newsgroup. We work with aquatic businesses in the USA and Mexico. Perhaps one of our people could answer your questions. I would be happy to pass them on if you like. I assume they would be in the area of algae production for energy either to produce biomass or modify an existing biomass. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc byproduct processors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Politics and rude behavior
Hey guys, why the grief? I don't like the idea that only the liberal view point is acceptable in this discussion group but what really upsets me is that we waste so much air time on politics when I want to learn about fuels. I disagree with much of the political liberal view point expressed here but I do not condemn the author. I hope to read more about fuels and less about opinions of a political nature. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc byproduct processors Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Politics and rude behavior
As for politics, sir, it is politics and money that run this country and others. The market takes considerably too much precedence, while morals, principals, ethics and justice far too often take the back seat or are stuffed in the trunk. To neglect political address is similar to having a headache, taking aspirin for it, but not removing the errant nail from an air gun gone awry from one's head. Once again I disagree with you and I don't see why it has to be on a biofuel group discussion. BTW, I am Dutch by name (VAN Milligen) not Irish. The company, Kentucky Enrichment Inc is a byproduct processing company which began as a soil enrichment processor (composting primarily). We now work in fuel, fertilizer, and feed from byproducts. Our major work is in processing farm waste into usable products which can generate revenue for the farmer rather than a disposal problem. We work on dairy farms, hog farm, shrimp, and poultry farms in the USA and Mexico. This is in addition to work in industrial byproducts of organic nature. Lately clean water and energy have become a larger part of our routine than in the past. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc organic byproduct processors Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BTU of oil fuels
Does anybody have information on the BTU value of various oils such as soybean oil sunflower oil avocado oil corn oil etc. Neal Van Milligen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BTU values
Does anybody have any data on the BTU value of a pound, gallon, or kg of soybean oil and maybe also for diesel oil? Is there someplace to go to get this type of info? I have worn out my search engines looking for a table or chart on oil BTU values. Neal Van Milligen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fuel for a small village
Why not gather the animal waste and other farm byproducts from the area and digest it to produce methane? This can be used in a diesel gen set or even a microturbine to make power. Small digesters can be built using plastic tanks or even plastic bags to make heating fuel for individual homes to reduce the need for firewood, etc. Digester produced methane can help make clean water for the residents and their livestock besides power. Depending on where you are located various fuels are available locally. Some are better suited for digestion and some for combustion. Energy and clean water are available using waste and farm generated products. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc -- In a message dated 3/29/2001 3:49:25 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:50:15 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help for setting up fuel cell energy source for small village. Hi, everyone, I need help at the technical level on how to set up a fuel cell energy source for a small village of around 150 families with an expected average energy consumption per family of around 350 kilowatthours per month. Technical help needed is from ground up. I know very little of the technology. I just want to be of help to my fellow villagers. The village is a farming village far away from the town center and remains unenergized from the provincial electric cooperative. If financial requirement is big, help on contacts for loans or grants would be very usseful and will be highly appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ammonia
Keith, et al. I agree with you in theory. Compost is much better for the soil than chemicals. My firm is one of the largest composters in Indiana. We have worked on composting projects across the country. If you succeed in persuading farmers to put compost on their soils we could be one of the biggest gainers. But in the meantime. We have clients in the poultry industry who are having their birds choked by the ammonia they produce in the broiler houses. The high cost of fuel this winter has reduced the ventilation in the houses out of economic necessity. We are offering a biomass boiler system to the growers in Kentucky as part of a growers cooperative. We will locate, buy, ship and deliver the biomass to the grower/farmer to beat the cost of propane. We will also help with the down payment on the combustion unit to get him started. The reduced cost of heat should enable the increased ventilation of the ammonia next winter. How much better though to capture the ammonia and use it as a separate product? We are working in the production of switchgrass, the utilization of green saw dust as fuel, the redesign of the poultry buildings (with integrator cooperation) and new methods of heat transfer to keep the birds warm and dry. Until enough farmers re-adopt traditional fertilizer methods, the market for compost will be small. At the same time the plight of the chemical dependent farmer will be as we see it. I will not be part of cutting him off cold turkey. We educate, encourage and provide incentives to change but we have to eat too. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. Iowa Protein Inc. organic byproduct processors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ammonia and biofuels
So that my reputation can be rehabilitated somewhat in this newsgroup, let me send you a copy of an email sent to the poultry grower newsgroup about a project we have become involved in. You may be interested in an initiative taking place in Kentucky. The commissioner of agriculture has expressed his support early on. We are now working with his assistants and a representative from the governor's office as well as department of energy and the department of natural resources. It can be done anywhere and government support is not critical. Once it is done here it can be done again elsewhere. The point of this cooperative is to support the growers through cutting costs, providing expert assistance, and help with the down payment on the new combustion technology. We will also locate, buy, ship and distribute the biomass (wood or other) to the farmers using alternative combustion technology. So far Tyson has been very cooperative. We expect similar approaches from other integrators. The handling of the litter is another benefit offered by the cooperative. To whom it may concern; Kentucky Enrichment Inc. is going forward with establishing the poultry cooperative in Western Kentucky. We have two goals initially. The first is to make certain that all of the poultry litter produced in Western Kentucky has a safe and ecologically sound application available. We are working withfarmers and livestock producers to ensure that land application is taken advantage of and that animal feed is explored. Secondly, we are working to find a method to reduce the cost of heating and cooling the many poultry houses in Western Kentucky. We have identified biomass combustion technologies which are appropriate to the area. Fuels are being identified and quantified. Wood waste is the primary source but switchgrass mixed with small amounts of coal fines is the other most likely alternative fuel. Corn and corn stover are two backup fuels. Western Kentucky University, Department of Agriculture, is already doing test plots of switchgrass in Kentucky. This Kentucky native grass has the same BTU rating per ton as dry wood and can be grown on otherwise nonproductive and marginal soils in Kentucky. The engineering of the redesign of the poultry houses to make them much more energy efficient and to utilize passive and active solar heating, improved ventilation and natural cooling was begun today. Former Harvard instructor Kricket Smith-Gary will undertake this phase of the design. Kricket is currently located in Lawrenceburg, KY. She has a Harvard degree in architecture and an MBA. The combustion technology issues are being addressed by our engineers. They have a very innovative and well established boiler system which will not increase the pollution problems of Western Kentucky while utilizing our abundant renewable fuel resources. The heat transfer system to bring the heat to the poultry in the broiler houses is being redesigned by Anthony Taylor, a heating systems engineer for Consolidated Mechanical Services, Owensboro, KY. Phillip Atherton of Advance Feeding Systems, Livia, KY, is the person on the scene with the poultry farmers and is negotiating the permissions required of Tyson Poultry to implement these changes. He designs and builds many of the poultry buildings now being built in Western Kentucky, Southern Indiana and Western Tennessee. We already have obtained their concurrence in several major changes to the design of the poultry buildings. We have learned that this winter's fuel bill for a farm of eight broiler houses using natural gas will have a heating bill of over $60,000. A propane fueled complex of the same size will have a heating bill of over $90,000. The design changes and the switch to biomass (wood) heating alone will reduce the heating bill by about 20%. We may be able to reduce it by 30% with additional work on the insulation and redesigned heat transfer. It may be that the only profit the Western Kentucky poultry farmer makes next winter will be the savings in fuel and additional revenue from poultry litter. The utilization of Kentucky renewable fuels and the redesign of the poultry house to demand less heat while increasing the ventilation for the birds will improve the economics of the broiler business in Kentucky, improve the health of the flocks, and put us on the path to reducing our non-renewable energy consumption. Regards, Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. 2725 Russell Rd Utica, Kentucky 42376 270-275-9164 voice 270-275-4505 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Ammonia
Keith, I think you may be mistaken when you say that there is no need for nitrogen fertilizers. In the Midwest USA we are seeing a shift from corn to soybeans this planting season due to the high cost of nitrogen fertilizers this year. Corn production could go down in many areas. I would love to find a way to capture ammonia from animal waste or other renewable sources so it could be sold as fertilizer. Cornelius A. Van Milligen -- - In a message dated 2/25/2001 3:02:13 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:35:07 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ammonia Although not strictly a fuel, I am looking for an easy way to produce ammonia or other nitrate products suitable for fertiliser from renewable energy sources. Any chemists out there, who can help, I thought of maybe ammonia production from methane or electrolysed hydrogen. Any suggestions or leads greatly appreciated. Surely if we can generate large amounts of power from renewable sources (biodiesel, wind, biomass) is there not someway it can be used to generate even a weak ammonia solution. My knowledge of Haber/Bosch process is nil, but I do remember that it requires extreme environmental conditions of pressure and temp, that would be impossible on a DIY basis. or are they ? Nitrofying rhizobium bacteria in legumes and use of animal waste products are too bulky and low yielding. Is there not another chemical reaction that can be used to generate a reasonably concentrated supply of Ammonia ? help please. Mike There's no need for ammonia nor any other nitrogen fertilisers. Keith Addison Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel in Poland and elsewhere
In a message dated 1/25/2001 7:20:38 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@egroups.com writes: From: Adrian Karbowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: biodisel in Canada Hi Aleks Probably me and you are in the same position : struggling for the launch of biodiesel industry in our countries (Poland and Slovenia). Why don't we join forces to work out new solutions for CEE countries on how to start biodiesel (biofuel) industry here ? Best regards Adrian -- - Adrian, my engineers just returned from Krakow. They are building parts of the new municipal waste water treatment plant there. We could just as well work in biodiesel production if there was a supply of oil and an interest from a local industrial partner. Our other work might be equally interesting to you. We process the waste from poultry kill plants into fish feed and we clean waste water from a variety of animal industries. We can assist in the processing of boiler fuel, methane, ethanol or biodiesel from various ingredients. Wright-Pierce, our outside engineering firm is working on the waste water treatment plant and they have a world wide reputation in custom designing anaerobic digestion plants. We have successfully talked Steve Howell of the National Biodiesel board into engineering our first plants to make biodiesel from poultry DAF and poultry fat. (If you want ethanol our chemical engineer can get out of his plush office and get to work for you. He needs something else to do anyway and he might as well learn a trade.) Our recent entry in to energy production was in response to client inquiries when we came into their plants to handle their waste materials. Our specialty is value added processing of organic materials which are the byproducts of our clients' production. This could be animal mortalities, kill plant waste, agriculture wastes, fish processing waste, manures, litter, wood waste and other such materials. We are not alone as an industry working with byproducts. You may find another firm interested in coming into Poland. By the way, my mother is from Krakow although her family left before WWII. Don't give up. Find a local partner interested in your plan, get the local government officials on your side and contact a firm which has the technology you seek. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Iowa Protein Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Trust Us, We're Experts
Keith, By coincidence this item came from Mike Olson today. Although the specific questions under the topic heading may not be biofuels, it is the same issue of engineering public opinion which you brought up. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Byproduct processing [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- A SATURDAY FOOD CHAIN RELEASE FROM METROFARM.COM Is Alar good for apples but bad for people? Do genetically-engineered Roundup Ready soybeans kill Monarch butterflies? Can the United States prevent Mad Cow disease from infesting its feedlots? Does methyl bromide burn holes in the earths protective ozone layer? Who can we trust to answer these big questions? This Saturday morning at 9am Pacific on AM 1080 KSCO and AM 1340 KOMY, the Saturday Food Chain with Michael Olson will host John Stauber, founder of the Center for Media and Democracy and co-author of Trust Us, Were Experts, for a conversation about the quiet science of engineering public opinion. Topics will include a brief history of public relations; how bias is built into university research programs; from where grassroots support organizations come; and how public relations specialists position news in the mind of the marketplace. Listers are invited to call the live program with questions and comments at 831-479-1080 or email them through the discussion group on the radio page at http://www.metrofarm.com;. If you are unable to listen to the California radio stations Saturday Morning YOU CAN LISTEN to the Saturday Food Chain streamed live or recorded as an archive whenever and wherever you want by logging on the radio page at http://www.metrofarm.com;. You can also share your thoughts on this subject by going to http://metrofarm.com/discus; = In a message dated 1/18/2001 6:30:39 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@egroups.com writes: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:15:21 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rapeseed emissions more polluting than diesel - study I think this is a pertinent comment on the arch BS from Reuters on rapeseed oil's deadly emissions. It's an amazon.com review by Michele Gale-Sinex of the new book by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future, Putnam, 2001. Stauber is the founder and executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy, which publishes the PR Watch newsletter. They've been watchdogs of the PR industry since 1993. http://www.prwatch.org Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
