Fw: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
Keith, Our thoughts are for your speedy recovery. Cheers, CS Chua - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith? I had no idea that Keith had medical problems. Is it someone that is close enough and who could inform us about what is happening. I am probably only one of many, who want to know and feel concerned and worried. Hakan At 10:54 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote: i was wondering too. --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith is back in the hospital for reasons unknown to me at this time. I would suggest prayer for those holding with prayer and good thoughts sent his way for those not so inclined. Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea My thoughts are with him, and I miss his contributions :-( -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Yes, China is the biggest buyer of USA wheat and Soyabean. Soybean is good source of biodiesel, so USA must be careful not to sell out to China. Tell it to the Soya Bean lobby or farmers? FYI, Brazil is just about to replace USA as the biggest supplier of soyabean. Cool comfort for USA. Argentina also signed a US$60 billion deal with China 2 weeks ago. also on agricultural investments to ensure long term supply of food crops. China is also the biggest buyer of Canadian wheat. In 1973, China got hit by famine caused by the Red Guard Revolution. Estimated 10 million died. Then China's population is only half that of today. Yes, there will be no more famine in China with huge strides made in agriculture sciences but China still import about 10 to 20 million ton food crop annually. A good year harvest would overcome the deficit, so importing is still an option. One thing I can say, the American farmers still need the Chinese buyers of wheat and soya but if the likes of Walt look at sales to China as a traiterous act, then he will have to have his head examined. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 05:16 PM 12/30/2004, Hakan wrote: Do not worry, I do not think that China (or any other country) see US as a major source of food for humans. It is almost unconceivable that they would go to such efforts to secure corn supply for their own poultry production. LOL I live in an agricultural county in the Pacific Northwest, and there's little doubt around here that China is a major buyer of local products, and the focus isn't on corn, it's on wheat. Those who argue for the food colony concept note that there has been a sizable movement of people away from rural farms towards factory jobs in China, and that with internal food production falling, it's inevitable that China will be importing more food in the future. And while the Chinese population is increasing, it's arable land isn't. And it's not just the US alone; the recent spate of Chinese purchases in Canada is signaling an increase in the utilization of North America as a source for raw materials for Chinese industry. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour
Keith, I must have browsed through an article about a servo motor company winding up its operations in USA and moving to China. I meant to comment on it but slip up due to the news on the Asian Tsunami hogging the TV. Being in the permanent magnet motor industry I like to enlighten readers of certain facts. First the rare earth magnets used in PM motors and superconductors are originally from China. China supply 95% of the world's rare earth magnets. Even GE has a plant in China before WWII making magnets and sending it back to USA and that's where USA gets it supply. We have been getting our supply from China's state owned companies for donkey years. Yet they have not raised the prices or reduced supplies and PM magnets are still very affordable. CS - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slave labour Good morning YC Good Morning, As this is morning in this part of the world . I have read many comments, either as a side remark or whole topic of conversation, it had been amazing to me that many associate labour in countries like Indonesia, China and other third world countries to be slave sweatshops. Sometimes it is exactly that. Often. what many perceive to be slave shops and use the income in USD to be used as a reference is taking matters out of context.comparison should be apple to apple, meaning the pay the sweatshop pays out should be compared locally. It might be cheap labour, not slave labour. without a fulltime employment, many of this slave labour would be starving and out on the street. instead of holding yourself being above supporting goods made in this manner , ask yourself would it actually help them if the company goes bust for lack of business. No, it wouldn't help them. Or maybe it would if it's the kind of company that locks its workers into their dormitories at night and is so lax about safety measures that the factory catches fire and all the workers are burnt to death. How many cases of that happening have you heard of? More than a few, eh? Multiply by hundreds or thousands for an idea of the number of such factories that haven't caught fire, yet. Bhopal was not an exception, it's about par for the course. The object is not to put the company out of business so much as to make them accountable, along with the whole structure that enables and supports these practices, so that the practices themselves will be stopped and poor and needy workers given a fair deal rather than being ruthlessly exploited, used up, wasted. Your apples to apples is barely the tip of the iceberg. Comparing wages and relative costs-of-living won't tell you about the complete lack of workers' and human rights, nor of the poor safety conditions and the relentless pressure for ever-higher production (quotas) that leads to very high rates of accidents and maimings, without any hope of compensation other than You're fired!, nor of the ruined lives, the constant fear of losing the job and then not just you but your family will face starvation, and what it really won't tell you is the miserable story of the 10 without any job at all for every one who's lucky enough at least to have this travesty of employment. With luck like that who needs misfortune? The idea that these evil practices should be allowed to continue so that poor workers can have an income is not saving them, it's condemning them. Have a look at the structures of these societies and their economies, and of corporate globalisation, and see where else the pressure required to force change and improvement on the part of the perpetrators is likely to come from if not from informed consumers and independent activist groups. Please see: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004166.html [Biofuel] Made in China? Of Trade, Quotas And Fairness It would be much better to support these companies by buying their products, at the same time encourage them with the money they have earned to benefit their employees. Voluntary compliance, eh? It doesn't have a very impressive record. What you'll get is tokenism, from the companies themselves and from the structures that make their practices possible. The impetus and intention is in the opposite direction. The economic growth fostered by neoliberal corporate globalisation does not create wealth as alleged, it extracts wealth and concentrates it, leaving poverty and misery in its wake. Free trade is anything but free, it's simply unregulated. Piracy and brigandry ought not to be unregulated. The winds of free trade favour the ships with the biggest sails, and sink the rest. The impetus for *fair* trade, a very different matter, comes
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.
Hakan and Guag, What we in Singapore know about Cambodia is only write up by Cambodian refugees and King Norodom Sihanouk. When the Killing Fields was aired, everyone was outraged and enraged. Subsequently the local news carried more news about later developments. By then more than 2 million innocent Cambodians were slaughtered with the skulls stacked in temple and shown on TV. Subsequently there were news about Vietnamese capturing Cambodia. Pol Pot and Khieu Samphan fled into the China. King Sihanouk all these while was sick and being treated in Beijing and was powerless. We were aware that Pol Pot army were armed by the Chinese and Russians. Finally we read that China had enough and told Vietnam to get out of Cambodia or faced the wrath of the Chinese Army. The Chinese moved a Division of their crack Szechuan unit across Vietnam's border and Vietnam immediately moved out of Cambodia and Hun Sen was allowed to take over Cambodia. What happened to 2 million Cambodian innocently killed by a lunatic Pol Pot was certainly beyond comprehension? Killing Adolf Hitler would not bring back millions of innocent Jews. The hanging of General Tojo would not bring back the 20 million Chinese killed by the Japanese Army who claimed he was acting under orders of the Japanese Emperor. Some people trying to blame the Chinese Government for the Killing Fields in Cambodia, certainly has no leg to stand on. Moral - We must not let any lunatic run a country. Bush thought Saddam was lunatic so he moved in. CS - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia. Hi Hakan ; I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so anyone please feel free to correct me. I have many Khmer friends, and I discuss this with them often. From what I understand there were weekly flights to Beijing for supplies and military strategists. However (CS), this was only after a decade of secret bombing by the US had smashed the country and killed countless people.. Pol Pot And Kissinger - On war criminality and impunity http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm and The death of Pol Pot http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/apr1998/plpt-a18.shtml It was here that Pol Pot, heavily influenced by the Chinese Stalinists, devised the political perspective of what was to become the Khmer Rouge--an extreme form of Mao Zedong's eclectic mixture of Stalinism, nationalism and peasant radicalism. It is characteristic of the ideological falsification produced by Stalinism that the label of Marxism has been placed upon social and political phenomena which have nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of Marx, Engels or Lenin. Classical Marxism envisioned a new society, democratically controlled by the working class, which would take as its point of departure the highest level of the productive forces developed under capitalism. This presupposed the widest possible scope for the development of industry, science and technique, all of them bound up with the growth of cities, the urban proletariat and the cultural life of the population as a whole. No more grotesque distortion can be imagined than to categorize as Marxist the ideas of Pol Pot and his cohorts. As early as the 1950s Khieu Samphan, Pol Pot's closest aide, had outlined a perspective of creating a primitive peasant-based society in which money, culture and all other facets of urban life would be abolished. and http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/polpot2.html The Khmer Rouge regime reached a climax in September 1977 when Pol Pot took to the airwaves and spoke for nearly five hours on Cambodian radio. For the first time, Pol Pot acknowledged to the world that Cambodia was now run by a communist government. The day after the speech he flew to Beijing to meet with Hua Guofeng, who had just become leader of the People's Republic of China following the death of Mao Ze Dong. The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a much better position to win the fight. The meeting probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another sign of China's military support of an increasingly dangerous Cambodia. I guess this validates what we have all been saying. The average American wouldn't support secret bombing of Cambodia, yet there was secret bombing. The average Chinese wouldn't support Pol Port, yet there was Pol Pot. It is the shysters at the top that seem to screw things up for everybody. Will the average person ever see? I still have hope. Best Regards
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Hutchinson Whampoa owns the trans atlantic port facility and several port facilities around the world. In fact they are the biggest private port operator in the world. Headed by Li Ka Shing, the richest self made Chinaman alive and headquartered in HK, does not make him part of China. He is a capitalist, more capitalist than most Americans. Global Crossing was acquired by Singapore Telemedia, owned by the Singapore Technology Group, listed in Singapore and majority owned by the Singapore Government. Singapore is not part of China. Please check your geography. On the other side of the coin, almost 90% of shoes sold in USA, came from China. China only get US$1.00 to US$2.00 per shoe manufacturing shoes for Americans. This amount pays for the Chinese labour, use of the factory and land, electricity and small amount of raw material. Most of the origianl material came from the USA OEM who contarct manufactured shoes like Nike, Reebok, Kimberly Clark and hundereds of others. Are you saying that China rob Americans of the jobs that there are not so keen to do? Do you realise that China is actually reducing inflation for America? How many pair of shoes must China sell to USA in exchange for a Boeing 747? We are not talking about just shoes but almost every affordable items that retails at Walmart. The profit made by the Walmart and thousands of companies that outsourced their manufacturing to China are held by USA, not China. Most Americans accept facts graciously and are generally kind hearted despite being fed with all kinds of twisted facts by the media vested parties, like puppets on a string . Cheers, CS Chua Jet Propulsion in Pasadena was started by a Chinese engineer from China. After the war, someone in Washington decided that all Chinese are Communists. So this brilliant scientist was deported to China in exchnage for a USA pilot shot while overflying Chinese territory. This Chinese scientist eventually lead China to build its own nuclear bomb, ICBM and space rockets. Now Jet Propulsion is an institution America is most proud off. It is NASA most prized possession. Now care to find out who started it? Eat the humble pie and move on. - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend of the US, look at how China handled the US spyplane accident and emergency landing in April 2001.Consider how differently it would have been handled if the spyplane had landed in a real friend like any North or South American country, European country, Australia, etc. CNN - 3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in pieces http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ Make no mistake. China is not a friend of the US, and has the US locked in a death spiral. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very interested. --- Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. There are those who will tell you that China declared economic war on the US by first devaluing their currency, and then pegging it to the US$. The income gain from the resulting flood of merchandise you've described has enabled China to embark on a program of acquiring key assets in and around the US such as both ends of the Panama canal, the largest container trans-shipment facility in the Atlantic, Global Crossing's fiber optic network, etc. China currently holds a half-trillion in US securities, a holding which could allow them to crash the dollar any time they chose by dumping those securities on the world market. That makes for an impressive chip to hold over Washington's head any time they want to play hard ball. The sale of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods through Wal-Mart (they market more than $10 billion a month of these goods) has shifted control of the dollar from Washington to Beijing. China has also embarked on a program of using those funds to buy up blocks of strategic resources and technology. For example, the super magnets used in the servo motors of cruise missiles used to be manufactured in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, duplicated it in China, and have since begun the process of closing down the US plant. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Guag, Boeing does no such thing. MD did make some of the doors or some not important part in the host country. The avionics and the complete Boeing plane is made in USA. Do not make wild guesses. You can always stop Walmart and others from using China to contract manufacture low value items. The American consumers will end up paying through their noses. China can always buy planes from Airbus. It is so obvious. USA condemns anyone making armaments but USA and Israel remains the world's biggest arms exporter They want to starve the North Koreans to death. What have they done to justify that? Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. They murdered 50,000 innocent Chinese in tiny Singapore alone ( for sending food and clothes to China to help war torned China), my birthplace and my father is one of them. Is their equality in this world? Have we learned anything from the cruelty inflicted by power hungry countries to defenceless countries. The weapons that killed USA soldiers in Afghhanistan used by the Taleban were supplied by Americans themselves. Carpet bombing of Vietnam using Agent Orange? CS - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi CS ; How many pair of shoes must China sell to USA in exchange for a Boeing 747? Yes, but it is all part of the plan. Most Chinese contracts come with strings that stipulate that parts of the plane must be built in China and generally the plane must be assembled in China. So Boeing needs to etablish a plant and train local workers. This is called technology transfer. The Chinese get plane building technology and when the flow of cheap shoes stops, Americans will not have shoes or anything else. (Some list members will get a certain satisafaction from that). Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
From the US$2.00 paid to the Chinese contract manufacturers, the Reebok or Nikes are retailed for more than US$100.00. Who kept the profit? Let's be realistic. For all these products sold at Walmart, who kept those profits? The Chinese are just cheap labour and cheap electricity. Just because they also need oil to power their industry, to make all these cheap products for USA, doesn't justify making enemy out of them, like some USA media. Cheap oil has powered the whole economy for donkey years and it is time to realise cheap oil cannot exist for obvious reasons. Oil exporters wanted more for their finite resources and they have realised they less they pumped the more they will get for their finite resources. If any country can be energy independent, they have nothing to fear. Biofuel is one way out. CS - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in the U.S. and I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in mainland China. I also have some UK buddy engineers born in the UK and others born in the US; I have Nicaragua buddy engineers born in US and Nicaraguan engineers born in Nicaraguan. I can say the same for my buddies from Cameroon, Ireland, Ghana, U.K, Spain, Argentina, Mexico. Some born here...some there. Some of my buddies have a small business. ONe guy is a PhD in power engineering and sells transormers to China and also gets power products from China and sells them to the US. They are merchants and simply are seeking markets to sell their products (some green some not) and also looking for ways to reduce cost. The majority of my buddies don't have any thoughts saying let's wreck the economy and war is inevitable. Some countries still have their home-grown goods by customer choice. For example, when I visited Madrid, Spain and other parts of Spain it appears most of the hard products are made locally because of the cultural nuances of Spaniards - Made in Spain - is very important to the national pride. So I think it is a very complex thing. I do think it starts with the consumer and our pull and push effect on suppliers and manufacturers. We should demand quality...at a reaonable price. Organic foods, range free chicken, family wineries, soy milk, clothes made at home, shoes made at home, etc. It is a lost art to be an artisan and truly self sufficient. That's my two cents. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi CS ; Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong debate. This is not the point. The point is that China and America are not friends. There is a well known saying even among higher Chinese politicians that war with America is ineveitable. Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut say that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of the possible problems when trouble developes. Absolutely rtight on. But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what (and never mind quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. Helps to get at least some of the facts right first, eh? As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides). An article titled Slowly but steadily, India will overtake China was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's discussed here, interesting: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1 Best Keith Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that lands in USA? How would like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just outside the USA territorial water and takes aerial photographs at random? America media would rise up called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA is doing to China everyday and China has never protested unless you intrude into the airpsace with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal than others? Are you strong enough to give an honest answer? Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what America is doing to others before saying what others are doing to USA. - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Hi Walt ; Yes the potential for China to cause serious disruption to the US economy is scary and increasing. Lest anyone
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Walt, U are so myopic that u cannot see further than your nose. Japanese have been accumulating billion of balance-of-account every year since 1960's. Japan-bashing by USA medai used to be the norm during the Cold Wars over this matter. But I guess the Japanese are now getting wiser by paying those media writers to China-bash instead. FYI, Japan holding of USA Treasury Bills etc is at least 50 times that of China. So how can China's holding of US$ affect the Japanese economy, unless yo u have eaten too much sushi and cannot count. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 09:32 PM 12/29/2004, CS wrote: Japan murdered millions of innocent people in the 2nd World War, more than the Nazis, yet they have more nuclear power stations (2nd to France) than USA. For them to convert to nuclear bombs and embarked on their military is like waiting for history to repeat itself. That's part of what makes the half trillion dollars held in China's hands so problematic since Japan holds about the same amount of US paper. If China dumps the dollar, that move will likely crash the Japanese economy as well. In short, from the Chinese perspective, it's a two-fer. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
Hi there, Anyone from Brazil out there have had the experience with ethanol vehicles? Interested in ethanol bikes and generators or the changes in fuel pump and injection systems needed for conversion from petrol engines. Any organisation or website from Brazil with such information beside the FFV automakers? CS Chua - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm#PrinciplesOfOperation http://www.extremedieselbiking.de/ And let us not forget the venerable JtF's webpage on them: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Enjoy! Luc - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles
Dear Peggy, Your OSWEC generator - where can I read up more? Any website to refer? Thanks. Cheers, CS Chua - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Until we have more data, I hesitate to expound, but... there is limitless energy that can be captured from ocean waves. We are on our way to proving a new technological advantage in capturing energy and transforming that energy into whatever use we desire. Our OSWEC (Ocean Swells and Waves Energy Conversion) generator just keeps on pumping. Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles Question: I know, from much discussion on the lists, that the energy needed to produce hydrogen really isn't worth it in terms of oil/coal terms. But, is it (theoretically) possible to use most of the available hydro generated electricity to make hydrogen such that all vehicles / homes / businesses rely on hydrogen for there energy needs (assuming improved consumption conservation)? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of info Sent: October 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] more fuel cell vehicles DaimlerChrysler Commits to Putting More Fuel Cell Vehicles on the Road http://www.alternate-energy.net/more_fuelcell_cars04.html California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station http://www.alternate-energy.net/hydrogen_station04.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news resources forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Brazilian Ethanol Plane: Ipanema, greener andcheaper to fly
Hi there, Brazilian Ethanol Plane. Great! What about Brazilian Ethanol motorbikes? After all, dual fuel cars are already available. Anyone aware of its availability in Brazil or anywhere? Anyone tried ethanol motorbikes? Cheers, CS Chua - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Brazilian Ethanol Plane: Ipanema, greener andcheaper to fly Hello Juan Hello Keith and all. The green way is more than ecomically feasible, in the case of an airplane with its new certified Ethanol Fueled Engine in this crop-dusting airplane The Ipanema, the numbers are in very much favor to Ethanol for operational cost eventhough a litle more expensive to buy with the new ethanol fueled engine. That's great! Crop-dusting though... there's no place in the green way for that, nor any need. Still, one step at a time, eh? Thanks! Best wishes Keith See the addresses: http://www.embraer.com/ http://www.embraer.com/english/content/imprensa/press_release.asp?press_ release_id=880ano=2004 http://www.embraer.com.br/institucional/download.asp?onde=downloadarqui vo=2_083-Prd-VPI-Ethanol_Ipanema_Certification-I-04.pdf [Extract] ETHANOL-FUELED IPANEMA CERTIFIED BY THE CTA The Ipanema is the first series production aircraft in the world coming out of the factory certified for flying with ethanol Sao Jose dos Campos, October 19, 2004 - Industria Aeronautica Neiva, a wholly owned Embraer subsidiary, has received type certification for its ethanol-fueled Ipanema cropdusting aircraft from Brazilian aviation regulating agency Centro Tecnico Aeroespacial (CTA). The Ipanema is the first series production aircraft in the world coming out of the factory certified for flying with ethanol. An efficient and cheaper source of power, the ethanol alternative will find favor with farmers for lowering their crop-dusting aircraft's operating costs said Satoshi Yokota, Embraer Executive Vice-President for Development and Industry. Ethanol is also a more environmentally friendly fuel and Neiva research indicates that it may prolong the engine's life, making it a prospective national market success. In the medium and long terms, we may benefit from the introduction of the Ipanema in countries that adopt ethanol as a source of energy. The choice for using ethanol was based on the fact Brazil is a major producer of this type of alcohol, extracted from sugar cane, and automobiles have been using this fuel for more than 20 years. This makes ethanol about three to four times cheaper than aviation gasoline (AvGas). Additionally, ethanol-powered aircraft engines are cleaner and have lower levels of emission than AvGas because they have no lead in their composition, providing for a more environmentally friendly fuel. Neiva has registered the name AvAlc (Aviation Alcohol) in Brazil for use of this new fuel. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biofuel as alternative to 2T lube
Hi there, Has anyone tried using biofuel as the cleaner alternative for 2T lube oil? 2-stroke engines are still prevalent everywhere and well known for its pollutive act. Would like to hear from any person or organisation that tried using biofuel on 2 stroke engines? Cheers, CS Chua ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cost of biofuel
Hi there, The cost of biofuel ( be it from coconut oil, palm oil, rapeseed, soybean, corn, sunflower, canola etc) including ethanol? Are there cost charts from various countries to peruse? At current oil price level can crop growers match with biofuel? Brazil went through that scenario with ethanol. Cheers, CS Chua ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
