Re: [Biofuel] Company is buying WVO
a neighbor wanted me too install theirs. the problem was it was a non pressurized system and vented. he had a 2 story house meaning the water pressure from the second floor required him to have a heat exchanger to operate with his heating system. Installation turned out to be a lot more expensive than they had planned. several towns around here are trying to ban them because they tend to produce low level smoke when the air is still. personally , if a neighbor complains about what i'm doing then they paid to much to live next to me -- Original message -- From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Zeke, What is it being used for? Mostly additives to animal food (dog food, and probably factory chickens and cows), and allegedly soap and detergent (google yellow grease) I have read a bit about the fate of WVO from dumpsters . ingredient in animal food. I had the opportunity to talk to someone who worked in a lab that evaluated WVO. He said that WVO that meets standards can be used in food for human consumption here in the US. He said that WVO that was below standard might be exported, used to make a food product, and then exported back to the US for human consumption. He also said that the real bad stuff is used in pet food/animal feed. I don't know if the food for human consumption is fact or fiction, but I have avoided the products that he mentioned as containing WVO. I haven't noticed any dramatic increase in dog or cat food. Chicken feed and other grain-based animal food for livestock seems to reflect increases in grain prices. I don't think the switch from charging the restaurant for WVO pickup, to paying the restaurant for the WVO is due to its use in animal food. The increased cost of vegetable oil for cooking has caused some restaurants to change their oil less frequently. Others have switched to cheaper veg oil. Some fast food restaurants filter and re-use their oil. I was wondering if there is now a market for used veg. oil for cooking. Will it be used in more food for human consumption? Will restaurants resort to using veg oil that has been discarded from other restaurants? I have heard of a BD producer coming on line about a hundred or so miles from me. While BD is not available at the pump, home heating oil suppliers offer B20 now. Diesel fuel at $5/gal might be making BD production profitable even if the producer must pay for WVO collected from 100 or more miles away. I just came back from sunny Florida (US) where I picked up a nice 1985 Mercedes 300CD for my wife. Maybe I'll just match the price for veg oil, do conversions on our two diesels and run them on veg oil rather than BD. Heating the house may be a problem. Anybody know about outdoor wood-fired boilers? Best to All, Tom - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Company is buying WVO It means that the economy is starting to value stuff that used to be regarded as a waste product (a concept that does not exist in nature). It's good that the economy is coming more in line with reality. Though perhaps not for you in this case. What is it being used for? Mostly additives to animal food (dogfood, and probably factory chickens and cows), and alledgedly soap and detergent (google yellow grease) I know a few years ago, a few of us investigated buying filtered WVO from one of the companies that collects it commercially from restuarants. At that time, it was going to be $1/gal for filtered WVO, buying it 100 gallons at a time, I think. Diesel was around $2.40 or so. I don't know what else that company sold the filtered WVO for, but they were willing to sell it for use as fuel as well. Z On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, A restaurant that has been happily giving me their WVO for the past three years received a letter from the company that they used to pay used to pick up their WVO. The company is offering to pay them them $0.35/pound for their WVO 4.5 gal (17.7L) cubies of WVO going for more than $10! I found it hard to believe. I stopped at another restaurant and asked to have their WVO, hoping to maintain my steady oil flow, and was told that someone pays them $2/gal for their waste oil. Does anybody know what is happening here? Is the WVO being converted to BD? With diesel hovering around $5/gal and with subsidies (in US) for BD, is it profitable to pay $2/gal for WVO and then convert it into BD? Or Is it being filtered and re-sold as veg oil? I've been told that the veg oil restaurants bought last
Re: [Biofuel] Company is buying WVO
as i understand it , the wood boilers burn cooler because of the water jacket and this produces a more incomplete combustion -- Original message -- From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine installs and services outdoor wood boilers for a dealer. He's been after me to buy one. several towns around here are trying to ban them because they tend to produce low level smoke when the air is still. There's some opposition to them around here too. Is it just a problem in developed areas (towns) or is the smoke somehow different from the smoke from my woodstove?My nearest neighbor is a quarter of a mile away and he's thinking of getting one too. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Company is buying WVO a neighbor wanted me too install theirs. the problem was it was a non pressurized system and vented. he had a 2 story house meaning the water pressure from the second floor required him to have a heat exchanger to operate with his heating system. Installation turned out to be a lot more expensive than they had planned. several towns around here are trying to ban them because they tend to produce low level smoke when the air is still. personally , if a neighbor complains about what i'm doing then they paid to much to live next to me -- Original message -- From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Zeke, What is it being used for? Mostly additives to animal food (dog food, and probably factory chickens and cows), and allegedly soap and detergent (google yellow grease) I have read a bit about the fate of WVO from dumpsters . ingredient in animal food. I had the opportunity to talk to someone who worked in a lab that evaluated WVO. He said that WVO that meets standards can be used in food for human consumption here in the US. He said that WVO that was below standard might be exported, used to make a food product, and then exported back to the US for human consumption. He also said that the real bad stuff is used in pet food/animal feed. I don't know if the food for human consumption is fact or fiction, but I have avoided the products that he mentioned as containing WVO. I haven't noticed any dramatic increase in dog or cat food. Chicken feed and other grain-based animal food for livestock seems to reflect increases in grain prices. I don't think the switch from charging the restaurant for WVO pickup, to paying the restaurant for the WVO is due to its use in animal food. The increased cost of vegetable oil for cooking has caused some restaurants to change their oil less frequently. Others have switched to cheaper veg oil. Some fast food restaurants filter and re-use their oil. I was wondering if there is now a market for used veg. oil for cooking. Will it be used in more food for human consumption? Will restaurants resort to using veg oil that has been discarded from other restaurants? I have heard of a BD producer coming on line about a hundred or so miles from me. While BD is not available at the pump, home heating oil suppliers offer B20 now. Diesel fuel at $5/gal might be making BD production profitable even if the producer must pay for WVO collected from 100 or more miles away. I just came back from sunny Florida (US) where I picked up a nice 1985 Mercedes 300CD for my wife. Maybe I'll just match the price for veg oil, do conversions on our two diesels and run them on veg oil rather than BD. Heating the house may be a problem. Anybody know about outdoor wood-fired boilers? Best to All, Tom - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Company is buying WVO It means that the economy is starting to value stuff that used to be regarded as a waste product (a concept that does not exist in nature). It's good that the economy is coming more in line with reality. Though perhaps not for you in this case. What is it being used for? Mostly additives to animal food (dogfood, and probably factory chickens and cows), and alledgedly soap and detergent (google yellow grease) I know a few years ago, a few of us investigated buying filtered WVO from one of the companies that collects it commercially from restuarants. At that time, it was going to be $1/gal for filtered WVO, buying it 100 gallons at a time, I think. Diesel was around $2.40 or so. I don't know what else
Re: [Biofuel] biofuels, agriculture, health, welfare, et al. (Part 1)
i produce raw milk and our trouble in marketing it was very clearly summed up in the thread about voting for hillary. -- Original message -- From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Originally Posted to the list, on Monday, feb 11, 2008: - - It's now been two days since the final keynote speech of the Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture 2008 conference ended. I've slept 2 nights, and still have not assimilated the information I gathered -almost by osmosis- by attending. Was just about the best money and time I ever spent. The final keynote was delivered by Mark McAfee of Organic Pastures Dairy http://www.organicpastures.com/ in California. Mr McAfee's dairy is one of the two licensed raw milk dairies in California, and one of one certified organic raw milk dairy in that state. In his keynote, he made a lot of tall claims for his product specifically and raw dairy in general. And I, being who I am somewhat skeptical in nature, had a bit of a problem with it all. However, taking anecdotes for what they are, was pretty overwhelmed by some of the claims of his customers. Throughout the whole presentation, the line from Frank Zappa's 'cosmic debris' kept floating to the top of my consciousness, And you may not believe this little fella, but it'll cure your asthma too. Seems the LA region of California is suffering from a literal epidemic of asthma. The stats he gave were 1 in 5, that's 20 percent of children in that part of the state. Of his customer base, many began using raw dairy with asthma, and have put their pills and inhalers away, because the symptoms are all gone. All, gone. Caveats apply of course, folks who are living with the western modern 'heath' or rather, anti-heath of cancers, massive pharmaceutical dependencies, esp hormones and antibiotics could quite literally be killed by a switch to raw dairy. The baseline of general health must be there. The probiotic nature of raw dairy is pretty strong stuff. The general thesis is, that we, esp in the west, but basically all over the world, never really made it anywhere, without the cow. We have co-evolved over the last few tens of thousands of years. We are in point of fact, symbiotically co-dependent, we are our dairy, we are our gardens and farms, and they are us. Now, for me, this rather flies in the face of what I have read and studied, I was under the impression (and still somewhat still am) that homo sapiens relation with 'cattle' is way too young for there to be a symbiotic relationship, but apparently, there is a context. homo sapiens the hunter/gatherer and homo sapiens the cultivator are very different in lifestyle, diet and lifespan. Apparently, homo sapiens from the farm like other homo sapiens, live between 70 and 100 years, keeping their working strength for pretty much all that time, from adolescent onwards. Homo sapiens post-farm, (homo novus if you will) also go 70-90+ years but begin their decline almost as soon as they hit reproductive maturity, and that curve starts turning downwards quickly after 45+ years. Now, it's interesting to note that in our 'pharmaceutical rich' biosphere that we have created over the last 50 years, that 'People' in the west, due to presence of real and artificial growth and reproductive hormones in the food chain, are starting to show signs of early onset of puberty at insane ages, I overheard folks talking about studies showing signs in 1 year old girls. The dairy, the meat, the vegetables, and by immediate one-jump extension, Us, are totally tied to the soil, and the pasture. Seems like, the funding for the ARS pasture research work has been completely gutted by President Bush. As if, the pasture no longer had any meaning in this day. Seems, this day of patented gmo grains, antibiotics, and 'feed lot' type 'cattle' factory farming has precluded the science of the pasture. As if the pasture no longer has any significance. One could get the impression that here in the US, as well as the rest of the developing world, large multinational organizations are running a full court press to remove the farm aspect from food production entirely. Seeing as -at least the anecdotal- evidence strongly implies, if not outright insists, that factory food production leads to long term dependence on pharmaceutical products, at a much reduced quality of life, the only reason for this it seems, would be to increase the wealth of a few, at the expense of the heath of the whole. Gee, do you think? - On the other hand, PASA, the Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture's 2008 'Farming for the Future' Conference in State College, Pa, US, was attended by over two thousand people, representing 42 states in the US, and 8 countries world wide. A lot of
Re: [Biofuel] diesel generator
-- Original message -- i want to set up a small diesel generator to run my milking parlor and use the engine heat to supply the hot water. Since the pumps and refrigeration are my biggest load, but are only on for a few hours a day, i was thinking a 3 phase generator would be better because the motors operate at about half the amperage and would reduce the size of the generator i need to run. I was thinking a 6/1 or a 12/2 lister diesel. the fuel consumption on these is about 2 liters per hour. I only need to run about 2 -1 hp motors and 1- 2hp for milking and cooling ,then i could run the generator to charge batteries for the house and help heat the house in the winter. Any suggestions? it just seems to easy to change out the motors to 3 phase and reduce the kw size of my generator. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] In other news. Milk labelling controvery in US
I have a raw milk dairy in massachusettes, i wouldn't waste my time or money on calling it organic, if i did i may wake up one day and find i'm out of buisness . Eventually the public is going to figure out that corporate america has turned ORGANIC into another marketing gimmick. when you come to my farm you can see what the cows are eating, and you can see how they are eating it, and if you don't like what you see, go 5 miles down the road and get some organic milk at walmart. -- Original message -- Aurora itself is currently being sued by consumers in 27 states for selling milk labeled organic that was not produced in accordance with the USDA's National Organic Program regulations. The USDA's organic standards are pro-corporate anyway, a lot of real organic farms won't have anything to do with the standards. They say they don't need the label, their customers know them and trust them. Best Keith Something I've been following in my neighboring state of Pennsylvania in the US. --- The most succinct write up I've seen on this subject can be found here: http://www.voicesweb.org/?q=node/1100 In a nutshell. Pennsylvania being one of the few remaining states in the US that is still quite interested in maintaining it's agriculture, made a very interesting move in attempting to ban labeling milk as being anything other than milk. It's rather hard to explain. In essence, more and more folks at the top of the food chain (otherwise known as 'consumers, -and I really hate that meme-) are learning more and more about their food supply and wanting a better quality product than is made available by contemporary factory farming techniques. To meet this new-ish demand, many farmers are rejecting the factory farming model. In particular, the use of rBST/rBGH (Monsanto's Posilac) is being flat out rejected by some dairy farmers. Farmers who view their cattle as a bit more than just a biological chemical refinery. It's difficult to avoid pejorative language here, but I'm trying. In response to this growing awareness on behalf of folks who drink the milk. The Pennsylvania State Secretary of Agriculture Dennis Wolff formed a (now locally infamous) 'Food Labeling Advisory Committee' back in October of 2007. This committee made the unilateral decision that labeling milk as being 'rBST Free' was misleading to 'consumers' and the practice should be banned. Secretary Dennis Wolff then had the state pass a law banning the labeling of milk as being rBST free. This ban is supposed to go into effect Jan 1, 2008. Pennsylvania is doing a lot of things right. Their 'Buy Fresh, Buy Local' campaign is one example. There is the state wide Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture. PASA http://www.pasafarming.org/ , a very active and healthy group that 'gets it'. and other such things. Like I said, Pa does a lot of things right. This is a thing they are doing quite wrong. Other states are following suit. According to the article at least 4 other states have laws pending to outlaw food labeling in this manner. One step forward, two steps back, but with the will to take another step forward, things get done. For what it's worth. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Isuzu NPR
i have 6 vehicles i run on b100 for 9 - 10 months out of the year. the chevy 6.5 starts when it shouldn't and the isuzu just won't tolerate ANY gelling of the fuel . all the vehicles have thier own charecteristics for cold tolereance but the isuzu npr the most sensitive. and me, i just can't bear the thought of pulling up to a diesel pump, so i run on b100 untill the last truck gells up for the winter -- Original message -- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have a 93 that i have run on b100 for over 2 years, the only problem is the stock filter is VERY sensitive to any level of gelling. cold morning starts are impossible unless you have a heater. i run my fuel line through the heater hose, so once it is started it works great.another thing ive done is use a home heating oil filter to pre filter my fuel before it reaches the stock filter . they can be replced for about a dollar and filter down to about 10 microns. the whole setup is only about $20 and eliminates expensive filter changes I think you're talking about a problem with biodiesel itself, not a problem specific to Isuzus. Please see: Using biodiesel in winter http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#winter Best Keith -- Original message -- From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have experience running B99 in an Isuzu NPR? I have a recently purchased 1989 4 Cyl. NPR. I also have a local source (Vashon Island, WA USA) of B20 and B99 (Williams Heating). Any warnings, precautions or recommendations? I'm also looking at purchasing a new Isuzu NPR 4 cyl. Diesel as well as a new Mitsubishi FUSO 4x4 FG140 4 cyl. diesel and would be interested in running b99 in those vehicles. Is it better to start with a new vehicle? Do you thereby eliminate some of the concerns caused by dinodiesel use? I saw nothing in the archives re: NPRs, so I'm a little nervous... Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Isuzu NPR
i have a 93 that i have run on b100 for over 2 years, the only problem is the stock filter is VERY sensitive to any level of gelling. cold morning starts are impossible unless you have a heater. i run my fuel line through the heater hose, so once it is started it works great.another thing ive done is use a home heating oil filter to pre filter my fuel before it reaches the stock filter . they can be replced for about a dollar and filter down to about 10 microns. the whole setup is only about $20 and eliminates expensive filter changes -- Original message -- From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have experience running B99 in an Isuzu NPR? I have a recently purchased 1989 4 Cyl. NPR. I also have a local source (Vashon Island, WA USA) of B20 and B99 (Williams Heating). Any warnings, precautions or recommendations? I'm also looking at purchasing a new Isuzu NPR 4 cyl. Diesel as well as a new Mitsubishi FUSO 4x4 FG140 4 cyl. diesel and would be interested in running b99 in those vehicles. Is it better to start with a new vehicle? Do you thereby eliminate some of the concerns caused by dinodiesel use? I saw nothing in the archives re: NPRs, so I'm a little nervous... Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fast food ice dirtier than toilet water
i repair ice machines, trust me they are one of the filthiest pieces of equipment in a restaurant ,yet the easiest to keep clean. your neighborhood bar typicaly has the nastyest ice maker you will ever see. -- Original message -- From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or dogs are smarter than people Kirk McLoren wrote: Fast Food Ice Dirtier Than Toilet Water! Out of the mouths of babes comes this news. Budding scientist, 12-year-old Jasmine Roberts from Benito Middle School in Tampa, Fla., has created a science fair project that has lots of grown-ups sitting up and taking notice. Her conclusion: Ice at fast food restaurants is laced with bacteria. Lots of it. Tampa Bay Online reports that Roberts examined the amount of bacteria in the ice served at fast food restaurants and the amount of bacteria in the toilet bowl water in those same restaurants. The toilet bowl water was cleaner 70 percent of the time. Even Roberts found the results to be startling. She told Tampa Bay Online reporter Michele Sager, I thought there might be a little bacteria in the ice, but I never expected it to be this much. And I never thought the toilet water would be cleaner. The study: Roberts collected ice samples from five fast food restaurants near the University of South Florida, including self-service dispensers inside the restaurants and in drinks served through the drive-through windows. Then she collected samples of water from the toilets in those same restaurants. All the samples were placed in sterile containers. She tested them in a lab at the H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center, where she volunteers with a University of South Florida professor. The results: In four of the five restaurants, the ice that came from the self-service machines had more bacteria than the toilet water, reports Tampa Bay Online. Three of the five cups of ice from the drive-through windows had more bacteria than the toilet water. The bacteria in the ice included fecal coliform or E. coli, which can only come from the feces of warm-blooded animals. How did the bacteria get into the ice? Roberts suspects either the machine was not properly cleaned or an employee with soiled hands touched the ice. Geoff Luebkemann, the Florida state official whose agency is responsible for regulating hotels and restaurants, told Tampa Bay Online, Ice machines are part of the health inspections. There are a lot of factors that have to be considered, like how accurately did she gather and test her specimens. Plus, comparing the ice to toilet water can be misleading because there are acceptable levels of bacteria for water. Not so says Galina Tuninskaya, vice president of Applied Consumer Services, a private lab that tests drinking water. No levels of fecal coliform or E. coli are acceptable, she told Tampa Bay Online. If you find that, you've got a problem. In case you wondered, Roberts won the science fair http://www.talk-history.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1990 All-new Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43257/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Speeding up the acid/base process
will heating the oil above 30 degrees celcius have any effect on the process? -- Original message -- From: Bob Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Time to report on my acid /base progress, and then ask for advice from more experienced list members. I have made several batches of very good Bd from all manner of feedstocks, by following Aleks Kac's foolproof process to the letter. But being the impetuous impatient man that I am, I find the process takes far too long. I want to start experimenting to try and speed up the process, but there is one piece of information that still eludes me. How can you tell if the acid phase is complete? I can't move forward unless I can verify my results. Has anyone on the list devised a test to show that the acid phase is complete? Regards Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel heater question
-- Original message -- From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 1988 F250, and it has a thermostatically-controlled fuel heater above the filter. Unfortunately, it is a very flimsy device, designed only for very rare use in sub -20F temperatures. I found this out when I considered hotwiring it so I could control it from the cab. But a Ford mechanic said this was sure to burn out the thin ceramic heating unit in no time. I don't know about a fancy 1999 model, but it's probably the same deal. Let me know if this is the case and if you find an adequate heater because I'm looking for the same. I'm almost ready to order a Veg-therm, but I've heard varying reports on it and it seems expensive for what it is. Kenji Fuse On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, magic wrote: Hello all, I have a 1999 F350 that I would like to run B100 in year round. (It's been a mild winter this year, but typically drops below 32F and occasionally under 20F.) I figured a fuel preheater would resolve any issues. As I started to research the options, I also got a book on the F350. Looking at the fuel system in the book, there is a fuel heater just below the fuel filter (at the bottom of a fuel filter/water separator assembly). My question is would this all I need, or would I be better off still getting one of those fuel line preheater(s)? Many thanks, S ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ I have an 88 f350, i put the fuel line from the tank to the filter inside of a coolant line. the block heater keeps everthing warm and after it starts the fuel in the line from the tank immeiately has warm coolant circulating around it. it was + 12f yesterday and no problem. i did the same with my backhoe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts
a/c compressors or refrigerator compressors will produce enough vacuum but they are also designed to allow thier crankase oil to circulate through the system. if it is not captured and returned they don't run for very long -- Original message -- From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Vakin; Thanks for your input. When you say 200 ml RO do you mean you wash a 1 liter test batch with 200 ml of reverse osmosis water? BTW 95 deg. C is pretty warm it may dry the fuel quicker but there are some notes on J2F that indicate biodiesel can oxidize. It may be accelerated at that temperature unless you use CO2 or N2 blanket to keep air away. Also it takes more energy to heat the fuel that much. Just a thought. Also I heard one can use an automotive air conditioner compressor as a vacuum pump. Don't know what level of vacuum it can produce but it is worth a try if the price is right. Joe Vaklin Hristov wrote: Hi! Some time before (I mean early '80) many automotive enthusiast add a water injector to their carburetors. Bit better mileage with the same power. Return line for diesel engines has a enough quantity of fuel to do stir washing of your BD. Important is to not get fresh water into the pump! This can be done with some modernization of your fuel tank. BTW my test batches (200 ml RO) with NaOH as catalyst every time looks bit waterized after third stir wash and this stay at least three days. Maybe more but I have gave the batch for physical analysis. With KOH water goes out more rapidly. In both processes esterification is 92-93%. In monday I'll know how much water has in the batch after third wash and after 95 degrees Celsius for one hour. Will inform about results, but I think the quantity will be in ppm's. At 23:13 17.12.05, you wrote: Just an addition: In my early batches I was so curious how the BD will affect the engine I did that test-after the third wash the fuel was something like Fanta orange,with lot of water dispersed within,but I pour it in the tank.My Renault 11 was just fine.Then I heated the BD to dewater it and what I found?The MPG raised and some loss of power appeared(5-8%).The same BD with water was better fuel than without water.The mean problem is that the water does not stays dispersed!I recall in the early `80 there was a Russian invention how to mix gasoline with water by means of piezo-quartz(ultrasonic frequency)submerged in the tank,but all I can remember is only the idea!Nowadays I read somewhere someone was trying to rich the same effect by azeothrop agents. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 16.Dec.05 CAR DIAGNOSE Ltd. P.O. Box 79 3320 Kozloduy Bulgaria Phone: +359887000332 FAX: +35997382758 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---BeginMessage--- Hi Vakin; Thanks for your input. When you say 200 ml RO do you mean you wash a 1 liter test batch with 200 ml of reverse osmosis water? BTW 95 deg. C is pretty warm it may dry the fuel quicker but there are some notes on J2F that indicate biodiesel can oxidize. It may be accelerated at that temperature unless you use CO2 or N2 blanket to keep air away. Also it takes more energy to heat the fuel that much. Just a thought. Also I heard one can use an automotive air conditioner compressor as a vacuum pump. Don't know what level of vacuum it can produce but it is worth a try if the price is right. Joe Vaklin Hristov wrote: Hi! Some time before (I mean early '80) many automotive enthusiast add a water injector to their carburetors. Bit better mileage with the same power. Return line for diesel engines has a enough quantity of fuel to do "stir washing" of your BD. Important is to not get fresh water into the pump! This can be done with some modernization of your fuel tank. BTW my test batches (200 ml RO) with NaOH as catalyst every time looks bit "waterized"
[Biofuel] homogenizer
its my understanding that a milk homogenizer breaks up the fat molecules in cream. if wvo or finished bd were run through one of these could it possibly have the effect of winterizing the fuel? has anyone ever tried this? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?
it's only biodiesel if you call it biodiesel. i would call it a biodegradable degreaser, cooking oil,cleaning fluid ,or yellow stuff. In an obscure way, I am all ready there. A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ). I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one of those No one should do it but the professionals type of people, and he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some concern to him ). It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal. I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm just taking my time. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection? Hi Keith, You're probably right. I just have the fear that someone will kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll be seized on by the forces of darkness. If training were available, or we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel Board) and do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a real service. I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other Goverments, and to lobby to counter the anit-BD and biofuels people. This group could also provide training courses and certify trainers. Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet drivers. I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend. In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have far more experience and standing than I do. I guess I'm a Nervous Nellie sometimes. I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and why. Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from there. As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with. I spent years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when. That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves? Yup. I don't brew inside anymore, though. I finally built a shed for that, with good ventilation. Your JTF pages are good. I wouldn't add much. I have a punch list I give to people but you pretty much cover everything. Thanks, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?
dairys use a centrifuge to seperate the cream from the milk. small, home use ones are numerous on ebay. Dear All- I'm helping to set up a small scale (about 5-8 thousand gallons per year) processing unit at Rice University. This is a completely student run project, and we've got most of the kinks worked out. One problem we have is that one of the colleges on campus somehow manages to produce WVO that has a large quantity of water and fries, batter, etc in it. So we don't have to waste energy to de-water by heating, or spend a few weeks settling (we are somewhat limited on space) the gunk out, I'd like to use a small scale centrifuge to remove water and junk from the oil. Problem is, the only ones I can seem to find are either for use in cars or are much more than we need. Does anyone out there have a source for a centrifuge that can process about 5-10 gpm? Cheers! - Matt Yarrison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
i bought a 100 gallon pasturizer at a school that was no longer pasturizing their milk. it seems the usda was making life unbearable for them. if i want to pasturize our milk and put it in a bottle the usda said i need to spend $50,000 on an automatic bottler and another $30,000 for a bathroom in the barn plus whtaever else they haven't told me about. Or if i sell straight from the cow the state will test it once a month and i can bottle the old fashioned way. anyway i was going to use it as a bd processor but, it doesn't seal well enough to prevent the methanol fumes from escaping. If it did it would be an ideal processor. I did find that small bottlers usually have an old one around, as they upgrade to the new pasturizers that are continuous, rather than bulk pasturizers. Yup. One thing France does well is cheese Fred Finch wrote: There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to die for. But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any kind she calls it Catfood. Best damn catfood I ever tried. She has aged cheeses that are great too. Made locally and taste unbeleiveable. Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though. fred On 10/3/05, *Garth Kim Travis* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: Oops. I want to use it as my BD reactor. I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
